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Should i start a Grey Knight army but use Tataros pattern terminators (for some units) and convert them?

No, Grey Knights are cheese.

I can't say Tartaros GK is something I've seen before, so it would certainly be unique and look pretty cool done right! I say go for it!

SGTPozy wrote:
No, Grey Knights are cheese.

This is both a blanket statement and an incorrect one. No army can ever be 'cheese' as a codex. GK have the potential to build 'cheese' lists, so do Eldar, Tau, Demons, even Marines. That does not mean one has to build a list like that, or that anyone that plays that codex is out to exploit it.

 Paradigm wrote:
I can't say Tartaros GK is something I've seen before, so it would certainly be unique and look pretty cool done right! I say go for it!

SGTPozy wrote:
No, Grey Knights are cheese.

This is both a blanket statement and an incorrect one. No army can ever be 'cheese' as a codex. GK have the potential to build 'cheese' lists, so do Eldar, Tau, Demons, even Marines. That does not mean one has to build a list like that, or that anyone that plays that codex is out to exploit it.

How many GK armies have you seen that do not have at least two Dreadknights? Not many...

To the OP, do it if you want to but don't be surprised if people don't want to play against you.

I would say go for it, just might get really expensive and hopefully you post pictures.

SGTPozy wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I can't say Tartaros GK is something I've seen before, so it would certainly be unique and look pretty cool done right! I say go for it!

SGTPozy wrote:
No, Grey Knights are cheese.

This is both a blanket statement and an incorrect one. No army can ever be 'cheese' as a codex. GK have the potential to build 'cheese' lists, so do Eldar, Tau, Demons, even Marines. That does not mean one has to build a list like that, or that anyone that plays that codex is out to exploit it.

How many GK armies have you seen that do not have at least two Dreadknights? Not many...

To the OP, do it if you want to but don't be surprised if people don't want to play against you.

My own, for a start, and probably minimum 60% of others. In the grand scheme of things, very few out there go out of their way to exploit the odd imbalanced units.

There are many GK players in my area and ALL of them spam cheese as do basically all of the GK rmy lists on here.

Also, the GK community (not necessarily here, but on another forum) likes to fix all of their problems with more Dreadknights.

SGTPozy wrote:
There are many GK players in my area and ALL of them spam cheese as do basically all of the GK rmy lists on here.

Also, the GK community (not necessarily here, but on another forum) likes to fix all of their problems with more Dreadknights.

your meta, it's not worldwide. The reason you'll only see compettive lists on here is that for those of us that don't play like that, the list is no real concern, so we don't need feedback on it. It's why I never bother to post my own lists, I genuinely don't care if they could be better or that I should take more of unit X or Y. As for your last point, the same applies; DK may be the best fix for a problem, I won't argue that, but that does not make them the only fix, or the one you have to use.

We're getting off-topic so I'll end this here, but to reiterate my point for your sake and the OPs: The army as a whole is not inherently OP, it can be but does not have to be, just don't go out of your way to spam/exploit stuff and you should be good to go, OP. And I'll second the request for pics, Tartaros GK does sound awesome!

 Paradigm wrote:
I can't say Tartaros GK is something I've seen before, so it would certainly be unique and look pretty cool done right! I say go for it!

SGTPozy wrote:
No, Grey Knights are cheese.

This is both a blanket statement and an incorrect one. No army can ever be 'cheese' as a codex. GK have the potential to build 'cheese' lists, so do Eldar, Tau, Demons, even Marines. That does not mean one has to build a list like that, or that anyone that plays that codex is out to exploit it.

What is this tau cheese list you speak of?

 Gitsmasher wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I can't say Tartaros GK is something I've seen before, so it would certainly be unique and look pretty cool done right! I say go for it!

SGTPozy wrote:
No, Grey Knights are cheese.

This is both a blanket statement and an incorrect one. No army can ever be 'cheese' as a codex. GK have the potential to build 'cheese' lists, so do Eldar, Tau, Demons, even Marines. That does not mean one has to build a list like that, or that anyone that plays that codex is out to exploit it.

What is this tau cheese list you speak of?

Triple Riptides seems pretty over the top to me. Less so that before, especially with the changes to MC/IC rules (no more Buffmander with Riptide) but still somewhat spammy.

No worries Paradigm, they know exactly what you mean despite not acting like it.

 Paradigm wrote:
I can't say Tartaros GK is something I've seen before, so it would certainly be unique and look pretty cool done right! I say go for it!

They are these from FW: (Not my PIC!)




I say go for it, sounds awesome! I love those termies.

Sounds like somebody gets their butt kicked by Grey Knights in here.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I can't say Tartaros GK is something I've seen before, so it would certainly be unique and look pretty cool done right! I say go for it!

They are these from FW: (Not my PIC!)




I say go for it, sounds awesome! I love those termies.

Sounds like somebody gets their butt kicked by Grey Knights in here.

Oh, I've seen Tartaros armour before (not quite as awesome as Cataphractii!), I've just not seen them done as Grey Knights. Done right, I think the conversion could be awesome!

Personally I think using the Tataros would be sweet, change it up a bit.

And to the gentleman thinking GK are the worst cheese around you are sorely mistaken. Especially if your playing a pure GK army...

I as the OP have finally (almost)decided on an army.
I have a choice between either minotaurs or astral claws
I will be using tataros terminators tho

To answer the original question, while Tartaros Terminators look cool, they aren't really ornate enough. Cataphractii Terminators could work, though.

To answer the question of Minotaurs vs Astral Claws, it depends mostly on which rules you like the best. The upshot of Astral Claws is that they can be used in three ways: standard space marines, Tyrants Legion with guard units mixed in, and even as a Chaos marine army.

Came into this thread expecting to see sgt pozy QQ ing, and nailed it lol. Anyway, I say go for it! Do you man.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
To answer the original question, while Tartaros Terminators look cool, they aren't really ornate enough. Cataphractii Terminators could work, though.

To answer the question of Minotaurs vs Astral Claws, it depends mostly on which rules you like the best. The upshot of Astral Claws is that they can be used in three ways: standard space marines, Tyrants Legion with guard units mixed in, and even as a Chaos marine army.

Im using them as a standard army

I don't think anyone would have a problem with it. My only objection is that I absolutely love the GK terminator models and as nice as the forge world stuff is, I still prefer my GK termies.

 Paradigm wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
There are many GK players in my area and ALL of them spam cheese as do basically all of the GK rmy lists on here.

Also, the GK community (not necessarily here, but on another forum) likes to fix all of their problems with more Dreadknights.

your meta, it's not worldwide. The reason you'll only see compettive lists on here is that for those of us that don't play like that, the list is no real concern, so we don't need feedback on it. It's why I never bother to post my own lists, I genuinely don't care if they could be better or that I should take more of unit X or Y. As for your last point, the same applies; DK may be the best fix for a problem, I won't argue that, but that does not make them the only fix, or the one you have to use.

You said that you don't and that 60% don't yet where did you get that data from? I'm not allowed to reference my meta yet you can reference your own? Double standard much...

More examples are MiniWargaming's videos including GKs are always full of cheese...


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Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Came into this thread expecting to see sgt pozy QQ ing, and nailed it lol. Anyway, I say go for it! Do you man.

I'm glad that I didn't dissapoint

SGTPozy wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

SGTPozy wrote:
There are many GK players in my area and ALL of them spam cheese as do basically all of the GK rmy lists on here.

Also, the GK community (not necessarily here, but on another forum) likes to fix all of their problems with more Dreadknights.

your meta, it's not worldwide. The reason you'll only see compettive lists on here is that for those of us that don't play like that, the list is no real concern, so we don't need feedback on it. It's why I never bother to post my own lists, I genuinely don't care if they could be better or that I should take more of unit X or Y. As for your last point, the same applies; DK may be the best fix for a problem, I won't argue that, but that does not make them the only fix, or the one you have to use.

You said that you don't and that 60% don't yet where did you get that data from? I'm not allowed to reference my meta yet you can reference your own? Double standard much...

More examples are MiniWargaming's videos including GKs are always full of cheese...

I didn't say you couldn't use your own meta as an example, just that you should always make it clear that it is only your meta, not necessarily an indicator that everyone, everywhere, plays 'Cheese GK' all the time based on a prevalence of one unit. The 60% figure is based on what I've seen on various sites over the years about how people approach the game, with the distinct bias being towards casual rather than competitive play. It is only an estimate, but a pretty informed one.

CHEESE! Is the battlecry of the ill-prepared.

With wine accompanying it.

Personally, I say it is your hobby and do whatever you enjoy. Just make up a little fluff and if your opponent is worth playing I am sure they will be cool.

I have been having the same dilemma recently with minotaurs, though the fluff backs up minotaurs having tartaros pattern. I say go for it as it looks bloody cool

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Do it! Do it now! I demand Tataros Pattern GKTs!

SGTPozy wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I can't say Tartaros GK is something I've seen before, so it would certainly be unique and look pretty cool done right! I say go for it!

SGTPozy wrote:
No, Grey Knights are cheese.

This is both a blanket statement and an incorrect one. No army can ever be 'cheese' as a codex. GK have the potential to build 'cheese' lists, so do Eldar, Tau, Demons, even Marines. That does not mean one has to build a list like that, or that anyone that plays that codex is out to exploit it.

How many GK armies have you seen that do not have at least two Dreadknights? Not many...

To the OP, do it if you want to but don't be surprised if people don't want to play against you.

That's not cheese. That's what you need to break the competitive threshold.

GKs can't build a truly cheesy list anymore, not since 5th edition.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Do it! Do it now! I demand Tataros Pattern GKTs!

SGTPozy wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I can't say Tartaros GK is something I've seen before, so it would certainly be unique and look pretty cool done right! I say go for it!

SGTPozy wrote:
No, Grey Knights are cheese.

This is both a blanket statement and an incorrect one. No army can ever be 'cheese' as a codex. GK have the potential to build 'cheese' lists, so do Eldar, Tau, Demons, even Marines. That does not mean one has to build a list like that, or that anyone that plays that codex is out to exploit it.

How many GK armies have you seen that do not have at least two Dreadknights? Not many...

To the OP, do it if you want to but don't be surprised if people don't want to play against you.

That's not cheese. That's what you need to break the competitive threshold.

GKs can't build a truly cheesy list anymore, not since 5th edition.

So spamming Flyrants, Riptides and Wave Serpents isn't cheese either? Those are the only ways for their armies to break the competitive threshold...

SGTPozy wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Do it! Do it now! I demand Tataros Pattern GKTs!

SGTPozy wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
I can't say Tartaros GK is something I've seen before, so it would certainly be unique and look pretty cool done right! I say go for it!

SGTPozy wrote:
No, Grey Knights are cheese.

This is both a blanket statement and an incorrect one. No army can ever be 'cheese' as a codex. GK have the potential to build 'cheese' lists, so do Eldar, Tau, Demons, even Marines. That does not mean one has to build a list like that, or that anyone that plays that codex is out to exploit it.

How many GK armies have you seen that do not have at least two Dreadknights? Not many...

To the OP, do it if you want to but don't be surprised if people don't want to play against you.

That's not cheese. That's what you need to break the competitive threshold.

GKs can't build a truly cheesy list anymore, not since 5th edition.

So spamming Flyrants, Riptides and Wave Serpents isn't cheese either? Those are the only ways for their armies to break the competitive threshold...

Make a new thread if you want to debate this topic, stop derailing poor OPs thread.

This thread isn't about being cheesey, quit crying and stop derailing the thread.

On topic: I would rather see a Cataphractii GK army, but Tartaros would certainly be very nice to see! Even try using as much FW as you can. But then again, I guess GreyKnights are meant to be nice and new.


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Oops jumped the gun, but the point stands