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They are almost certainly knock offs, please don't link to things you believe are knock offs, we don't advocate piracy on dakka. You probably weren't advocating it either, just curious about it, but still. motyak

Most likely knock offs, but they look so legit and cheap. Take the chance?

They have a yvahra that isnt plastic parts.
Fake. That said, ifs your money to loose.

I haven't bought from this particular ebayer before, but I have gotten several *ahem* "special" casts from sellers based in Russia and China before and they have surprisingly good quality sculpts. My current Forgeworld Ork Warbiker Boss and several of the DKoK kits I bought for my friend came from these casters from China/Russia and they've been great.

If you are curious, what I did was buy the lowest priced (typically single) option they had that I was interested in as a sort of test. If all goes well then you can try to invest in more extravagant units. But by and large most of them do deliver, just make sure you check the volume they've actually sold/amount of positive feedback as usual.

One thing you do have to keep in mind is that it takes a long time for it to arrive given where they're coming from, especially China. So there is the risk that it can take longer than 3 weeks to get to you.

As with anything, check the past listings and customer feedback.

I would say most recasters, and this is definitely a recast, aren't actually trying to scam you. They're selling actual product. Quality may vary, but often the casts are just as good as forge world. Do a test purchase if you feel game to check the seller out and if its legit then buy what you want.

I have a recast Avenger, it actually turned out fairly well. Recasts do large-scale better so infantry with fiddly bits don't work so well.

A lot of the recasters will get you noticably better quality than forgeworld, for a fraction of the cost. Their ranks have been thinning lately, though.

The thing about Recasters too is they have old models that are OOP.
I have been digging for a lift sentinel for a Diorama but cant.

I still had the link saved from last night. All the models are gone. He has two items, one is a set of clippers. Nothing more to see there.

The time where recasters were mostly scammers is long over. Recasters now, mostly, offer premium products and a very low price. Sadly, the quality often is even better than the original.

Just a word of warning, China doesn't have as many safety regulations like most other countries; Your major concern should be, what is the materials to make these?; It could be something very toxic and make lead of years past look like nothing. Add on top of a guy working out of his garage using what he has on hand; Might end up in the hospital and loose a few fingers from a cheap miniature.

 Genoside07 wrote:
Just a word of warning, China doesn't have as many safety regulations like most other countries; Your major concern should be, what is the materials to make these?; It could be something very toxic and make lead of years past look like nothing. Add on top of a guy working out of his garage using what he has on hand; Might end up in the hospital and loose a few fingers from a cheap miniature.

If I recall correctly, Russian recasters employ plutonium for metal models.



Most recasters use resin anyway, from low quality greyish color (cheapest recasters) to mid-high quality beige-whiteish color. The last ones tend to be more expensive but still half the price of what Forgeworld asks, and (usually) higher quality than FW.

 Genoside07 wrote:
Just a word of warning, China doesn't have as many safety regulations like most other countries; Your major concern should be, what is the materials to make these?; It could be something very toxic and make lead of years past look like nothing. Add on top of a guy working out of his garage using what he has on hand; Might end up in the hospital and loose a few fingers from a cheap miniature.

Or, by applying Occam's Razor, it could simply be resin. Resin is not expensive, there is little room for using some cheap, more toxic, alternative, plus it is poor business practice to kill your customers.

Frankly the whole "Chinese recasts will poison you" thing, and I'm not specifically attacking you, it is something that gets brought up every time this subject gets broached, more or less, smacks of a scare story trotted out by the uninformed and those with a vested interest.

 Genoside07 wrote:
Might end up in the hospital and loose a few fingers from a cheap miniature.

So GW does indeed have employees posting in wargaming forums!

Seriously, though, they just use regular resin. It's super cheap to use.

I'm not gonna warn you about scary poisonous resin.

However, Forgeworld does have excellent customer service. If you buy a recast, you might well get something that is 'superior to the original product'. You might also get something that is miscast, or something mispacked, or something broken in shipment. Even the finest recaster in all the land doesn't control UPS tossing your product into the truck.

If something happens with a FW product from FW, those guys are great about handling it (in my experience). If you get a deal on a recast, and something is broken, you might be SOL.





Having said that, Forgeworld does have models that have gone out of production. If I could find someone who would cast me one model that I never got from FW....

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I still had the link saved from last night. All the models are gone. He has two items, one is a set of clippers. Nothing more to see there.

GW has been on a major IP rampage recently and the above is a likely result. Most if not all of the Chinese recasters have taken down their product pages in the last month or so.

Ok I think GW filed a complaint to ebay and they took everything down. lol

The two most commonly known Chinese recasters will both replace missing/broken parts.

timd wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I still had the link saved from last night. All the models are gone. He has two items, one is a set of clippers. Nothing more to see there.

GW has been on a major IP rampage recently and the above is a likely result. Most if not all of the Chinese recasters have taken down their product pages in the last month or so.

They've also just modified their username with a number and put it all right up again, it seems!

Chinese resin is made from kittens and babies and is 100% toxic.

Russian resin is at least made entirely from orphans so it's at least PETA safe.

I have also... ahem.... partaken of the china resin, just to try it out. Have to say I have been slightly impressed. I have 3 stores that I frequent and trust.... and I dare say that their resin quality is BETTER than that of forgeworld :/

But then comes the morality issue... but meh... free market and blah

Interesting, they seem to have put listing up on the same name.

fidel wrote:


But then comes the morality issue... but meh... free market and blah

I don't have any morality issue with a company over-charging by such a ridiculous amount

If you weren't going to buy it from Forge World because it was too expensive no one wins. You don't get a model and Forge World doesn't get any money. That is their fault.

So if a third party comes along and offers the same product at a lesser cost which is within your budget its not really your problem. You get what you want and the third party gets your money.

The moral issue is on the caster not the buyer and that's for Games Workshop to pursue. Knowing them they absolutely will, and that's fine. The caster knows the risks of unlicensed production.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I don't have any morality issue with a company over-charging by such a ridiculous amount

Well that's just a sad comment on the state of your morals then.


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 Col. Tartleton wrote:
So if a third party comes along and offers the same product at a lesser cost which is within your budget its not really your problem. You get what you want and the third party gets your money.

Only if you have no problem with "if a company charges too much for something I want then I'm entitled to obtain it by illegal methods". A more reasonable person would just concede that if they can't afford something they want they aren't going have it.

If the miniatures cost more than you are willing to pay then buy less, buy second hand or play another game that is cheaper.

If 'pre-heresy' is your thing, I and many other people were making our own 5-6 years ago from conversions on GW's existing plastic ranges. Make some effort!

As much as I dislike GW's business practices in some regards, I would never countenance knowingly buying counterfeit goods. Remember that there are people with jobs and families behind the corporate symbol that stand to lose out from this, and if you support the re-casters they get bigger and expand their ranges, which makes it a vicious circle and one that potentially damages the whole industry, not just GW.

I don't think 'free market' stretches to people recasting and passing their copies off as the real thing. Free market is what companies producing alternative product do (like CHS or Kromlech), chinese reacasters are just ripping stuff off. It's really up to GW to charge what they like for their own sculpts however wrongheaded you think their pricing structure is.

I doubt recasters are claiming their product is the real thing. They're just saying they're selling a model for X, which is truthful statement.

Many of them aren't exactly hiding the fact they're recasts. Its not really comparable with some actual Knock-off products like counterfeit designer Jackets or Purses.

 Col. Tartleton wrote:
If you weren't going to buy it from Forge World because it was too expensive no one wins. You don't get a model and Forge World doesn't get any money. That is their fault.

So if a third party comes along and offers the same product at a lesser cost which is within your budget its not really your problem. You get what you want and the third party gets your money.

Except they never would've had a product to sell if they hadn't stolen the design from Forge World.

It's not 'free market' competition when the whole business model is recasting.

 Bookwrack wrote:

 Col. Tartleton wrote:
If you weren't going to buy it from Forge World because it was too expensive no one wins. You don't get a model and Forge World doesn't get any money. That is their fault.

So if a third party comes along and offers the same product at a lesser cost which is within your budget its not really your problem. You get what you want and the third party gets your money.

Except they never would've had a product to sell if they hadn't stolen the design from Forge World.

It's not 'free market' competition when the whole business model is recasting.

Actually its exactly Free market. In a true free market there are no IP protections and everyone is free to copy other people. There are no regulations regarding the theft of ideas.

By the same logic quoting a passage from a book you didn't write without permission should be illegal even if you properly cite it.

What if I want my Games Workshop models cast in pewter for my own personal use? They don't offer me the models in metal but I have the capability to do it myself. So naturally I buy a box of Witch Elves for $60 just like they ask and then I make a mold of the sprue and pour pewter. If I make a single cast of a tank in resin to chop up for terrain is that fine? What about two? Ten? A hundred? When does it become a crime?

Its just the state enforcing artificial restrictions on efficient businesses to protect inefficient businesses at the expense of the consumer and to the benefit of the overpaid executives. Whether its beneficial long term or not for non essential industries like toys to get these sort of intellectual protections is up for debate. What isn't up for debate is the fact legality and morality are not intrinsically synonymous.