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2015/03/10 04:52:45
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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I've got a TEP and Prime Axiom on the way but am in a bit of a quandary. I am using the CMoN kickstarter bases for my normal force but need to get a 120mm base from Micro Art Studio. The issue is that they only make oval bases for 120mm size. The texture (Ancient) is unique enough that I really can't sculpt it myself using the 120mm blank base that comes with the models.
How much grief will I receive if I use the 120mm oval bases from Mirco Art Studio?
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2015/03/10 04:58:46
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Master Tormentor
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A rather lot, most likely. Base size is one of the more immutable things in the rules.
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2015/03/10 05:06:20
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Completely strict. Everything else is irrelevant, the rules only reference the base. You need a 120mm circular base from somewhere; have you thought of putting the MicroArt base on top of the blank base?
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2015/03/10 05:11:21
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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There's still the issue of the oval shape, unfortunately. Hmm... too late to switch my pledge to Mystic. I guess I'll beg in the KS thread and see if anyone wants to sell theirs.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/03/10 05:35:51
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2015/03/10 06:48:49
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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If it's 120mm along the long axis just plant it on top of the plain base.
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2015/03/10 09:31:18
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Yeah, even *I* don't mess with base sizes/shapes.
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2015/03/10 17:24:54
Subject: Re:Strictness of basing
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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You are not allowed to have a different base shape or size. Bases must be round and of the appropriate size. The rules require it.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2015/03/10 17:28:10
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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It can critically impact too many things. You could just get some foamcore board and cut out a 120mm circle.
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2015/03/10 17:37:48
Subject: Re:Strictness of basing
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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You should still use an official base which is exactly 120mm and completely smooth to determine edges. Cutting out a base by hand would leave too many imperfections that would effect gameplay. Measurements often come down to fractions of an inch, so its important you have an exact base.
You can put a decorative base on top of the actual base if you want, as long as you can still measure to the real base.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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2015/03/10 18:41:43
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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A pin. An xacto knife and a properly measured piece of string can provide an exact enough 120mm circle, that would fall within the tolerance that the official base will fall.
I guarantee you the pp bases arent EXACTLY 120 and PERFECTLY smooth as production costs to make something that exact are absurd and near impossible with the plastic they use. As long as you fall with +/-1 or 2mm youre likely fine in all but tournament play. Tournaments usually involve money and people get a bit more concerned, undrstandably so, but I have never played an opponent who was so concerned over 1 or 2 mm, which you can vary just by the movement of your hand, that we couldnt just 4+ it.
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2015/03/10 22:27:31
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Satyxis Raider
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Shas'O Dorian wrote:A pin. An xacto knife and a properly measured piece of string can provide an exact enough 120mm circle, that would fall within the tolerance that the official base will fall.
I guarantee you the pp bases arent EXACTLY 120 and PERFECTLY smooth as production costs to make something that exact are absurd and near impossible with the plastic they use. As long as you fall with +/-1 or 2mm youre likely fine in all but tournament play. Tournaments usually involve money and people get a bit more concerned, undrstandably so, but I have never played an opponent who was so concerned over 1 or 2 mm, which you can vary just by the movement of your hand, that we couldnt just 4+ it.
I agree. The PP bases are far from perfect. Some have flash, etc that need trimming. It isn't always that precise.
If you take your time and cut carefully you can make your own bases. I've made blast templates and melee keys that are as accurate as anything you can buy.
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2015/03/11 04:23:00
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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Well, I went ahead and ordered one of the 120mm round Mystic bases from MAS. If shrinkage hasn't made it unsuitable, I'll get another and use those for my MAS and Prime Axion.
I'll have to get a set of the plastic (pvc) Mystic bases from CMoN when they finally release.
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2015/03/20 01:59:53
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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So, the MAS bases are about 4mm too small. Guess I'm going to be breaking out the dremel to make it fit the top of the plastic base.
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2015/03/20 07:01:52
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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4mm in diameter or radius?
If you're 4mm in diameter it's 2mm from center difference. I sincerly doubt 2mm will ever make that much of a difference in all but the most competitive levels of play.Worst case scenario print out a 120mm circle of paper & glue it to the bottom of your MAS base. This will give you a more exact measurement while maintaining dimensions.
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2015/03/21 03:03:23
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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4mm short in diameter, too small to use on it's own yet slightly too big to glue onto the plastic base. I suppose I could use it as is and just tape a paper base to the bottom should I ever play in tournaments. Would that be allowed?
Is league play as strict as tournaments?
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2015/03/21 03:09:34
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Wraith
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Breotan wrote:4mm short in diameter, too small to use on it's own yet slightly too big to glue onto the plastic base. I suppose I could use it as is and just tape a paper base to the bottom should I ever play in tournaments. Would that be allowed?
Is league play as strict as tournaments?
Depends on the opponent. Have you considered glue a CD or something to the bottom to show the proper size? As I recall they are pretty close to 120.
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2015/03/21 03:32:24
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Combat Jumping Ragik
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Breotan wrote:4mm short in diameter, too small to use on it's own yet slightly too big to glue onto the plastic base. I suppose I could use it as is and just tape a paper base to the bottom should I ever play in tournaments. Would that be allowed?
Is league play as strict as tournaments?
Always ask your TO / whomever is running the league. Honestly 4mm in diameter is a 3% error, and barring a direct side by side comparison I doubt anybody could tell the difference. Look at your measuring tape a 4mm diameter error means a 2mm error from the center of the model. That tiny bit of difference, if it ever comes up, just let your opponent have it, you'll likely never get called on it. Then again in case you do always ask the TO, strictness varys by community.
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2015/03/21 03:34:27
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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Great. Now I just have to wait for CMoN to deliver on their kickstarter to base the rest of my stuff.
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2015/03/21 17:55:39
Subject: Strictness of basing
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Satyxis Raider
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gunslingerpro wrote: Breotan wrote:4mm short in diameter, too small to use on it's own yet slightly too big to glue onto the plastic base. I suppose I could use it as is and just tape a paper base to the bottom should I ever play in tournaments. Would that be allowed?
Is league play as strict as tournaments?
Depends on the opponent. Have you considered glue a CD or something to the bottom to show the proper size? As I recall they are pretty close to 120.
A CD or DVD is almost exactly 120MM. Paint one similar to your base and temporarily attach it to the bottom.
But really, compare them side by side before you get too worried. It is unlikely that the difference is going to be that big of a deal. People will be hard pressed to notice it unless you point it out and compare them directly.
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