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Chaos Lord: Hellfire Sword; Talisman of Endurance; Charmed Shield; Soul Feeder; Third Eye of Tzeentch; Scaled Skin; Mark of Tzeentch 360
Sorceror Lord: Ogre Blade; Enchanted Shield; Talisman of Preservation; Chaos Familiar; Level 4 Wizard; Lore of Death; Mark of Nurgle 395

Exalted Hero: Dragonhelm; Dawnstone; Mark of Nurgle; halberd; shield; Battle Standard 189

18 Chaos Warriors: Banner of Swiftness; Mark of Tzeentch; shield; Aspiring Champion; musician; standard bearer 351
18 Chaos Warriors: Standard of Discipline; Mark of Nurgle; additional hand weapons; Aspiring Champion; musician; standard bearer 369

Gorebeast Chariot: Mark of Nurgle 140
4 Dragon Ogres: great weapons 272

4 Skullcrushers of Khorne: ensorcelled weapons; musician 322

2,398 points


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Opinions and advice appreciated on how well you think this army will fair as an all comers list. The Dogres are for cracking open armor and monsters and I'm not sold on Death, may switch to Nurgle lore.

Some Small Things
1. Nice lord build, do enjoy the Hellfire sword
2. Drop halberd on BSB (to make his shield usable for 2+ rerollable, also parry save)
3. Drop banner of swiftness, move standard of discipline to Tizz warriors (where the general is going!)
4. Drop 18th Tizz warrior (making the unit 17 + lord, run 6-wide)
5. Pick up 5 warhounds so you have a chaff unit
6. Stare at remaining 10 points and decide what small upgrade works best for you: drogre champion, crusher champion, 10 points in warhounds upgrades (poison + skin; vanguard), something packed onto a character, not banner of eternal flame on a warrior block

That's really about it. I am really not a fan of ahw on warriors - if you want to kill things, halberds (or gw!) are far preferrable; if you want to tough out, shields in a heartbeat. Ahw only effect the few warriors who will be in the front rank, which in a unit run 5-wide with two characters is going to be only three! Versus halberds which buff the supporting rank, and shields which buff the entire unit.

- Salvage

excellent advice thanks I will do it all. Dogre champ for left over ten i think

 Mordred wrote:
Dogre champ for left over ten i think

\M/ SHARTAK \M/

- Salvage

IDK about the shartak..........

Vangard on the dogs is pretty powerful when you are talking about controling the movement phase

 namiel wrote:
IDK about the shartak..........

Vangard on the dogs is pretty powerful when you are talking about controling the movement phase

SHAR. TAK.

(I find vanguard on a single unit of dogs means you're tempted to overextend them and get them killed even faster. I can see the use of the extra move - when you've got a hard flank for some war machines, let's say - but I feel like most times the impulse to go 'sure I've got vanguard, why not?' is not necessarily a good one)

- Salvage

 namiel wrote:
IDK about the shartak..........

Vangard on the dogs is pretty powerful when you are talking about controling the movement phase

Let's not forget that vanguard is pointless in a unit that is unable to control the movement phase.

I was trying to avoid actually typing shartak I know a lot of people hate the name but I think it's cool if you pronounce it right. And I agree with the critisism for the vanguard if I was using two or three units of dogs I would vanguard them all the way but one unit needs to play it close to the chest.


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 Boss Salvage wrote:
Some Small Things
1. Nice lord build, do enjoy the Hellfire sword

- Salvage

Thanks, the whole idea was to use that weapon cause it sounds so cool but no one uses it, I suspect because of the flaming.


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Ok. Revised list. Better or worse?

Chaos Lord: Hellfire Sword; Talisman of Endurance; Charmed Shield; Soul Feeder; Third Eye of Tzeentch; Scaled Skin; Mark of Tzeentch 360
Sorceror Lord: Dragonhelm; Talisman of Preservation; Chaos Familiar; Level 4 Wizard; Lore of Death; Lore of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle 360

Exalted Hero: Enchanted Shield; Dawnstone; Mark of Nurgle; halberd; Battle Standard 181

5 Chaos Warhounds 30
19 Chaos Warriors: Mark of Tzeentch; shield; Aspiring Champion; musician; standard bearer 353
18 Chaos Warriors: Mark of Nurgle; halberds; Aspiring Champion; musician; standard bearer 372

Gorebeast Chariot: Mark of Nurgle 140
4 Dragon Ogres: great weapons; Dragon Ogre Shartak 282

4 Skullcrushers of Khorne: ensorcelled weapons; musician 322

2,400 points

I'd make both characters MoT and mount them on demonic steeds. Same with the hero. MoT, armour of destiny, halberd/great weapon.

I'd give the crushers a standard, and put the gleaming pendant on it.

Not sure how I feel about the dragon ogres. You could get 4 more skullcrushers for that price.

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:
I'd make both characters MoT and mount them on demonic steeds. Same with the hero. MoT, armour of destiny, halberd/great weapon.

I'd give the crushers a standard, and put the gleaming pendant on it.

Not sure how I feel about the dragon ogres. You could get 4 more skullcrushers for that price.

Daemonic Steeds are a waste of points on Lords. Could work on the bsb by giving him an extra wound but he won't get LoS rolls and I don't. My dragon ogres are suboptimal but not bad especially when buffed by nurgle Magic even though they are not skull crusher good 2x2 and they are perfect for flanking heavy cavalry.

I'd stick both on discs. Sure they don't have the ftangible benefits of Durty D-mounts, but flying Tzeentch characters are all the rage now. They can take shooting, whereas princes can't, and they can dictate the movement phase.

Considering how the game revolves around fast small units, a durable bro who can be where he needs to at any given moment is a must have. And Tzeentch Disc characters are the epitome of that.

 Mordred wrote:

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:
I'd make both characters MoT and mount them on demonic steeds. Same with the hero. MoT, armour of destiny, halberd/great weapon.

I'd give the crushers a standard, and put the gleaming pendant on it.

Not sure how I feel about the dragon ogres. You could get 4 more skullcrushers for that price.

Daemonic Steeds are a waste of points on Lords. Could work on the bsb by giving him an extra wound but he won't get LoS rolls and I don't. My dragon ogres are suboptimal but not bad especially when buffed by nurgle Magic even though they are not skull crusher good 2x2 and they are perfect for flanking heavy cavalry.

They give you immunity to killing blow and better mobility than M4 (or M1 on a disk, when joined to a unit). You've got a lot of points tied up in slow units that are very easy to chaff and avoid. The crushers and Drogres can be isolated and destroyed, and there are plenty of units that can deal with those chaos warriors.

Also keep in mind that your BSB loses his enchanted shield in combat (halberd). Might be better off with the dragonhelm.

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:

 Mordred wrote:

PirateRobotNinjaofDeath wrote:
I'd make both characters MoT and mount them on demonic steeds. Same with the hero. MoT, armour of destiny, halberd/great weapon.

I'd give the crushers a standard, and put the gleaming pendant on it.

Not sure how I feel about the dragon ogres. You could get 4 more skullcrushers for that price.

Daemonic Steeds are a waste of points on Lords. Could work on the bsb by giving him an extra wound but he won't get LoS rolls and I don't. My dragon ogres are suboptimal but not bad especially when buffed by nurgle Magic even though they are not skull crusher good 2x2 and they are perfect for flanking heavy cavalry.

They give you immunity to killing blow and better mobility than M4 (or M1 on a disk, when joined to a unit). You've got a lot of points tied up in slow units that are very easy to chaff and avoid. The crushers and Drogres can be isolated and destroyed, and there are plenty of units that can deal with those chaos warriors.

Also keep in mind that your BSB loses his enchanted shield in combat (halberd). Might be better off with the dragonhelm.

I don't know what's wrong with me, I keep forgetting that damn halberd


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Chaos Lord: Hellfire Sword; Talisman of Endurance; Charmed Shield; Soul Feeder; Third Eye of Tzeentch; Scaled Skin; Mark of Tzeentch 360
Sorceror Lord: Dragonhelm; Talisman of Preservation; Chaos Familiar; Level 4 Wizard; Lore of Death; Lore of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle 360

Exalted Hero: Sword of Might; Enchanted Shield; Dawnstone; Mark of Nurgle; Battle Standard 195

5 Chaos Warhounds 30
17 Chaos Warriors: Mark of Tzeentch; shield; Aspiring Champion; musician; standard bearer 319
18 Chaos Warriors: Mark of Nurgle; halberds; Aspiring Champion; musician; standard bearer 372

Gorebeast Chariot: Mark of Nurgle 140
4 Dragon Ogres: great weapons; Dragon Ogre Shartak 282

4 Skullcrushers of Khorne: ensorcelled weapons; musician 322

2,380 points

And 20pts to play with.