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Hi All,

I hope you are all good on this dreary Sunday.

A way, I am going to start playing Kill Team (had the rules for some time).

I would be interested to know what faction you use, how you run them and if you generally find games of Kill Team fun?

Kill Team is great fun.

I play Sisters and Thousand Sons counts-as, and both factions are great in KT. Way better than you'd expect, especially in the case of the Thousand Sons.

Kill Teams are just fun and fluffy as hell.

The games are quick and brutal. If you don't want a larger army, you can just have 200pts of a particular race for KT's. Also they're quite easy to set up fun scenarios for.

One of my favourite recently was a 4 way KT where each player wrote down two objectives on two slips of paper and dropped them into a pot. Then they were shuffled and each player drew one objective. The objectives were the main way to win but in case of a tie, whoever had more points left alive would be the winner. The objectives turned out to be quite amusing, one of them was "Kill 3 models and only 3 models, no more and no less." The player who got that one killed the 3 models and spent the rest of the game running away and trying to avoid close combat in case another enemy accidentally died

Have any of you played with the Heralds of Ruin Kill Team rules? I have never played with either so I was wondering what people's opinion on them are. I am fairly interested in making a kill team force or two in place of another army.

KT is the way to play 40K if you still want a game where the result is as much down to your decisions as your list IMO.

It is such small scale it is near impossible to break, it makes units you'd never normally consider in full sized games viable, and some rules (like Fear for instance) suddenly become a lot more useful.

Heartily recommend it.

DEFINITELY use heralds of ruin. The GW official rules are boring as heck and incredibly broken.

I highly encourage playing Kill teams, and honestly find it to be a far more entertaining experience them a normal game.

This game style makes it so whole lists are built around one or two members of a simple infantry squad, creating far more atmosphere then a list built around a core unit. I find these models quickly taking on more character then 'guardsman 94821358293051123 a,' never did understand what the a meant, ever will as he is mowed down beside 2000-per-hour other guardsmen in that gun alone last Tuesday. Not only does the loss of these specialized models start to kink your plans, keeping them alive can quickly become a little personal as you will want to boast that your personally named-Sargent has survived a dozen direct encounters.

So to answer your first two questions seeing I jumped to the third:
Faction - Tau
Style - Kroot raiding pack, code named: "We have a taste for your flesh"

At least one Rapid shot anti-material weapon, in case someone is cute and brings an APC
Sniper rounds, if possible to squeeze them in, as psudo-rendering can be useful against marines
As many Kroot and hounds, one should easily field ~30 men if I am remembering the point costs correctly

Style - Pathfinders, code named: "We have more then just marker lights"

Pulse carbines are not the worse infantry level weapons by a long shot
Ion rifles allow for anti-APC and anti-horde in the same weapon system
Burst cannon drone, even with a sub-par Balistic Skill it is not a bad machine gun platform as it moves and shoots by default

I suggest house ruling using no grenades on infantry. It gets very boring watching MEQ just grenade each other to death lol


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Oh but I love Kill Team.
Tau normally rock it, as do scouts from SM.

What everyone's been writing here is completely true, but mu experience with HoR Kill Team had also lended me some very important lessons...

- Necrons are unsuited for Kill Team interely. No ifs or buts, Necrons simply doesn't work. Unless you have Fire Dragon-esque levels of Melta, regular Warriors are way too hard for this game. Marines go because of them only hsving a single wound and a 3+, but Warriors have 4+, 5++. They are even harder in melee, where their WS 4 comes inyo play. Just do not use them.

- Heavy Weapon Platforms are key. Where Heavy Bolters are largely useless in the TT, they will do most of the killing in Kill Team. Make sure they are protected and that you have at least one in each list - it'll suit you well.

- Melee is generally not the best idea. No matter if you have a Power Sword and S 4, Melee will usually just end being a three-turn slapdance with a victor coming out late in the game, if ever. The exception to this is Squads in HoR, who can readily beat heads in in a turn.

- Astra Militarum is a bit underpowered. This is mainly because of them lacking any regular punch, so if you want to have success with these guys, I reckommend heavies, vets and a Hellhound, if it's allowed.

There's more, but generally, this is what I've learned throughout my games.

Eldar are not very good for Kill Team, they are very expensive and get killed quickly, however Jet Bikes are great!

A tactical squad also makes for a good kill team (heavy bolter guy with relentless is amazing) plasma guns are great too.

Herald's killteam is the way to go. Much much MUCH better than GW's rules, and takes care of stupid things like infinite grenades and flooding the field with low-cost bodies (IG vets are the worst things ever)
-more in depth rules like climbing, jumping, falling, hiding, supressive/pinning fire, etc etc
-new army lists that are constructed in a way that makes sense (buy models individually), and totally new armies like deathwatch and arbites.
-awesome campaign rules (the most fun way to play!). build your force, level up your guys, watch them get crippled and retire!
http://heralds-of-ruin.blogspot.ca/p/kill-team-rules.html

I disagree on melted being weak, but you really have to coordinate your attacks if you want to win. In HoR, any models that charge together and get charged together act like a "squad" until the assault ends. This means that for example a pair of assault marines can get in and beat someone's face in. Also, power fist style weapons, while expensive, are often totally worth it on units like Nobz or sergeants over power weapons.

I would also advise trying to bring high toughness models like bikers over vehicles. An AV10 vehicle is way easier to kill than a T6 infantry model.

I love Kill Team - the fact that every action has a consequence really forces you to think about what you are doing, rather than going into faction autopilot as often happens in the big brother version. I play:

Tau:
- (FSE) 5 man Crisis suit team (just awesome, but a bit tough on your opponent)
- Pathfinder/fire warrior mix (surprisingly effective, and lots of bodies)
- Kroot + Hounds

SM:
- 15 Scouts, mix of HB/CCW/Snipers on serg's
- LSS+scouts x2 - super mobile, HF ruins a lot of peoples day
- LoTD - don't get many of them, and they are slow as hell on account of not being able to run, but still fun

Nids:
- 'Stealers (actually quite difficult to play, but very rewarding when you catch up the with enemy in groups)

Haven't played HoR Kill Team yet but am looking forward to giving it a go, regular rules do get a little boring after a while.

HoR Kill Team is loads of fun, and a great way to get in to the game or take a break from the core ruleset. My group has always enjoyed the games we've played; it's harder to cheese up and quick to play. Problem is interest never lasts more than a day or two; people like to use their great piles of models more than skirmish stuff.