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How do fellas and fellaettes,

I'm finally coming an end (or as close as it ever gets) of my never ending painting piles for Cryx and Legion and figured before stocking up again on more for those I would try a 3rd Faction (again! ). I tried out Khador but after a few months I sold to a mate of a mate for a bargain price! (Hey, we got a new player and the models see play so I'm happy).

So I'm thinking Convergence, a couple of reasons for this are as follows;

1) I have a paint scheme in mind that I was thinking of applying to a eNemo 'Weathermen' List with dark metallics and bright lights. However as my most regular opponent has Cygnar it probably wouldn't see much table time.

2) I like synergy. I like buffs/debuffs and I like a force that relies on me getting it right. I've heard CoC works like this more than any other faction.

So before I jump in I have a question or two;

1) I've purchased the War Room set and had a butchers. I know the 'jacks use the Rat/Mat of their 'Caster but do they have any other special rules that I should have reference of? Where do I find the official rule for this? Is it in the army book or in one of the expansions?

2) Can I run a semi-competitive list of Light Vectors? This is purely for looks as I prefer them to the Heavies. Or is this going to cripple my game and/or the synergy of the list?

3) I think my preferred 'Caster would be the Iron Mother. As I'm an existing player would you still recommend the battle box to begin with?

Thanks guys!

1) Vectors do have their own unique rule regarding their Induction Nodes, which function differently to cortexes of normal warjacks. The rules for Induction Nodes are in the CoC army book. But the basic gist is as follows.

Induction Nodes are not cortexes, but they follow many of the similar rules such as disruption, focus allocation limits, and spending of focus that is allocated.

Once per turn, when a Vector spends a point of focus it may allocate 1 point of focus to another vector that is within 6". This is called Induction. While a Vector may only induct once per turn, the same vector may be Inducted to multiple times. IE: Vectors A, B, and C all have a point of focus. Vector D does not. Vectors A, B, and C can all induct to vector D, giving it 3 focus. But if the situation was reversed and Vector D had 3 focus, it could only give 1 of those focus points to another vector. The other 2 points would not be inducted.

2) You could sort of get away with it using Syntherion because he has Synergy, but overall the Cyriss light vectors are extremely weak in combat. Synergy would only get them up to acceptable levels of damage output. Light Vectors are support, not combat. Syntherion is the main jack caster for Convergence, he often runs all jacks except for a couple units of Optifex Directive to fix stuff. He'll often have 3-4 heavies(or 1-2 and the Colossal) and 4-6 lights.

3) Yes, the vectors in the box are very useful to have. And Syntherion is another good caster as I mentioned previously.

You dont have to start with the Battle Box but I'd recommend it becuase you're going to use everything in there eventually. I didn't start with it but went back to it later. Yes CoC requires that you do everything exactly right. When you do its amazing and when you dont its a wreck. Our light vectors are more support than front line fighters. Each caster has a field marshal ability that dramatically changes how your army runs. Iron Mother makes all her jacks into arch nodes.

Thanks guys they sound pretty cool. Liking the Induction rule. Ok so I'll grab the battlebox and army book and go from there!


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Just browsing the War Room... Does the TEP have a Spray attack or is that a typo? If it does how does that work with Auto Fire?

It does indeed have two sprays. The second just has to target something nearby to the first spray's target(the model the spray is centered on/towards)

Ok thanks. Just got a little befuddled with the wording!

I reakon it might be my first Huge base model of my collection!

Its a gorgeous model, and the first in real plastic!

But definitely get iron mother. Its my favorite model and favorite caster.

One of the main tactics with Iron Mother is the ''running arc node servitor''

Her servitors are part of her battle group, and thus are arc nodes. What you do is park Iron Mother behind a wall or another model. You then issue a charge/run order for her unit. You run one of the servitors way forward to arc her spells. Then Iron Mother casters her spells, and fail charges into the wall because she doesn't have pathfinder.

If I remember right, the Induction Node and Vector rules are actually in War Room. Just look in the relevant alphabetical pages.

Convergence lights are not going to be great for usual workhorse stuff. The four of them are mostly support, and the Galvenizer only really does damage when en masse with Synergy abuse via Syntherion. The two gun warjacks top out at POW 11 and Puncture for their damage. So you'll end up needing at least some heavy vectors in order to get some work-horse armor cracking done (which they tend to be pretty good at). The TEP can do it too, but not with some of the same ways a Cipher or Invertor might.

And stuff.

You'll need heavies. They're your armor cracking workhorses. Or, the Modulator which is amazing for taking out infantry. The Cipher is just too useful to not take. It's mortar can throw down difficult terrain, flair (which is a must for a CoC army) and the Assimilator for good AOE's.
The Galvanizer is a secondary fighter with repair ability.
The Mitigator is good against infantry but I like it for its knockdown ability. I boost to hit, knock down something with high DEF and allow the rest of my scrubs to actually hit them. I used that against a pSkarre once and it was glorious.

Ok cool so Heavies are in! It's more the Cipher variants legs I wasn't keen on but I'll live with that!

@Blaque, had another look through War Room, they are indeed in there. Under V for Vector. Thanks mate!

All the vectors are useful and you won't feel sorry for having bought them. CoC medium infantry is where it comes down to specific tastes in whether you want more jammy Reciprocators or Infantry mulchers like Eradicators. The TEP works well with all the warcasters too...another solid buy.

I'm seriously considering Convergence as my first Warmachine faction (I play only Hordes at the moment, Cryx, Ret, maybe Khador are also in the running). I know CoC are pretty good at running jacks which I'm all about and I love the models, I do have a couple of questions if I could briefly high jack:

Do they have enough variation that they aren't boring? I'm not sure I like the idea of not having something to look forward to every release like the other factions do.

I know when they first came out the quality of the plastic models was fairly poor, does anyone know if that's still the case?

With them getting an All in One box (with Lucant, my favourite caster no less), seems like a good place to start them, and with them having the first HIPS model in the gorgeous TEP. Is the AIO and BB a good starting point for them?

 ImAGeek wrote:
I'm seriously considering Convergence as my first Warmachine faction (I play only Hordes at the moment, Cryx, Ret, maybe Khador are also in the running). I know CoC are pretty good at running jacks which I'm all about and I love the models, I do have a couple of questions if I could briefly high jack:

Do they have enough variation that they aren't boring? I'm not sure I like the idea of not having something to look forward to every release like the other factions do.

I know when they first came out the quality of the plastic models was fairly poor, does anyone know if that's still the case?

With them getting an All in One box (with Lucant, my favourite caster no less), seems like a good place to start them, and with them having the first HIPS model in the gorgeous TEP. Is the AIO and BB a good starting point for them?

If you need constant releases to stay entertained, then maybe go with one of the main factions. CoC is meant to be a sub faction. A complete faction, but still a minor one.
We have everything we need to be competitive without a problem. But variation is...problematic. Each caster affects its army more drastically than other factions so you'll experience different playstyles as such, but the tools won't vary greatly.
Me, I think there's enough variety to keep me interested, but I'm a slow collector and gamer.
The plastic is....um....not good. But it's doable and turns out nice enough. The metals are fantastic. The TEP is the new plastic like GW's and haven't heard anything but good things about it.
The All in One box is an excellent place to start.

There is variation within the faction, although its narrower and less of it than other factions.

They have recursion, armor skew, def skew, spell slinging, etc... Its just they might not be able to do all those things with the same caster.

IE: To play a recursion list you kinda have to play Lucant, to play armor skew you have to play Lucant or Syntherion, to play Def skew you have to play Aurora, to play spell slinger you have to play Iron Mother, etc... Nobody's quite sure what Axis does


However, as a newer player you're going to find plenty of variation. You're not going to be at a place where the relative lack of variation is a problem compared to other factions for a while. Spend time mastering the stuff that is there, and by the time that has happened there will be new releases for the faction.

Remember this is a game with some intense depth to it. You can spend years trying to master a particular list, let alone a particular warcaster.

Thanks guys.

It's not that I neeeeed new releases to stay entertained, I just like getting them. I get stupidly excited every time a new warmahordes book is coming haha. I doubt they'd be my only WM faction anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter that much, I was just worried they might get boring a bit quick, but it doesn't sound like it.

While Cyriss was stated to not get releases every cycle like the other factions, thats not to say they'll never get releases.

They already have a new caster in the pipeline somewhere. He might show up sometime next year, likely along with something new just to keep him company.

In fact, this style of release will probably make the releases that do happen much more exciting.

Yeah. I know they're getting another Colossal (Prime Conflux?). So fingers crossed there's a couple more things to go along with it.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Thanks guys.

It's not that I neeeeed new releases to stay entertained, I just like getting them. I get stupidly excited every time a new warmahordes book is coming haha. I doubt they'd be my only WM faction anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter that much, I was just worried they might get boring a bit quick, but it doesn't sound like it.

It's also a bit on perspective. You could go with a larger release faction like say Khador or Cryx, but you will find when playing Khador or Cryx you will not be using 80% of the jacks and only about half the troops choices and there's quite a few duds in the warcaster choices. So having those extra options are not necessarily better.

With Convergence, everything is playable and has a decent role... not many factions can say that.

I thought Axis theme was recursion?

That's Lucant.

I don't know what Axis does, nobody plays him very much.

 D6Damager wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Thanks guys.

It's not that I neeeeed new releases to stay entertained, I just like getting them. I get stupidly excited every time a new warmahordes book is coming haha. I doubt they'd be my only WM faction anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter that much, I was just worried they might get boring a bit quick, but it doesn't sound like it.

It's also a bit on perspective. You could go with a larger release faction like say Khador or Cryx, but you will find when playing Khador or Cryx you will not be using 80% of the jacks and only about half the troops choices and there's quite a few duds in the warcaster choices. So having those extra options are not necessarily better.

With Convergence, everything is playable and has a decent role... not many factions can say that.

Hm. That's a good point, which I hadn't thought of.

 Grey Templar wrote:
That's Lucant.

I don't know what Axis does, nobody plays him very much.

Axis in his Themed Force is one of the best recursive setups in the entire game. 30-40 small-based dudes with 40 Enigma Foundries is no joke.

And stuff.

I'm assuming you mean 4 Enigma Foundries haha.

Yes. 40 troops, 4 Foundries. Derp.

And stuff.

 Blaque wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
That's Lucant.

I don't know what Axis does, nobody plays him very much.

Axis in his Themed Force is one of the best recursive setups in the entire game. 30-40 small-based dudes with 40 Enigma Foundries is no joke.

And stuff.

My Axis force is about 30 dudes. I can't resist taking a couple of Inverters. Counter charge knockdown is just so hilarious when it happens.