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Very curious. I wonder how this ties in with the state of AVP?

From what I understand both Warzone and AVP have been a giant clusterfeth.

Is there any reason to support this?

I feel like it'd be stupid to touch this with anything other than a ten foot clown pole.

Hopefully this generates money to keep their company afloat for long enough to get my AvP stuff, but I'll be fethed if I give them any more money. They make GW business practices look shrewd.

Its sad they have such a chequered past. I really, really love Starcraft. Not as much as Halo, but it's up there. Those zerglings look a little devoid of detail in the facial region.

 Medium of Death wrote:
From what I understand both Warzone and AVP have been a giant clusterfeth.

Warzone was fine for a first time KS company doing a licence. AvP is kinda messed up though, which makes this a surprise. I would not have expected Prodos to get another licence deal.

Then again, maybe it's not a KS project and they can actually work out the hard parts before selling stuff to people. Would be great to see a Starcraft 15mm (or is it 6mm?) mass wargame.

Is the ring on the dudes hand in the picture the One Ring? Ugh...I hate our people sometimes.

Not really that familar with Starcraft but are we sure thats what it is?
"Would you like to know more?" is very much associated with the film version of Starship Troopers, but they're not very bug-like I will concede.

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Is the ring on the dudes hand in the picture the One Ring? Ugh...I hate our people sometimes.

Not really that familar with Starcraft but are we sure thats what it is?
"Would you like to know more?" is very much associated with the film version of Starship Troopers, but they're not very bug-like I will concede.

Definitely Zerg there.

Wouldn't surprise me if Prodos thought they were the same thing.

No, these are Zerg Hydralisks, no doubt about it.

So, another project for them to fumble and clumsily handle.

Guess we'll know more "soon"

How does Prodos keep getting licenses to these franchises? Surely there are better companies who want the license? surely the IP owners researched Prodos' past?

EDIT: And another thing, those minis look completely devoid of detail, even for (i'm guessing) 10mm scale

You could almost say... that making good on good IPs... wasn't Prodos's... Star craft
*puts on sunglasses*
yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhh.
I'll see myself out

Another licence to these guys? How even?

They keep getting the IP's because they sign the contracts no one else would. You know the ones saying something to the extent of go ahead and invest all your money to create these things and then bring the final samples o us to approve. When we tell you to change everything ever so slightly you must begin from scratch and reinvest all the money again. Meanwhile the one guy who can approve the product can only be reached on the sixth Friday of the third month (fails to tell which type of calendar) unless there is a phase of the moon which is less than full. Also you cannot use the word "the" in any product.

Hi Dakkers!

In regards to AvP, I think we have been clear where we are in last KS update. Handling the huge license like AvP could be difficult as we deal with a huge Corporation and Prodos for them is simply ..no one, thus the delays.

As for Warzone Resurrection, it's healthy as never before (including the previous editions). The license is handled as it should be and we had the same approach to the AvP, which, clearly did not work.

However, it's almost there.

In regarding this product, it's not KS projects, we are not doing any more KS as the business is self sustained with current line of the Products and services the Prodos provides to other companies.


BTW, if you would ask me how the hell we are getting licenses...The simply answer will be that no one wants to deal with any corporation. Now, after a year of fun with Fox we know how to play that game.


Thanks.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
EDIT: And another thing, those minis look completely devoid of detail, even for (i'm guessing) 10mm scale

No, they look like they have plenty of fine detail, even for 15 mm.

 Alex C wrote:

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Is the ring on the dudes hand in the picture the One Ring? Ugh...I hate our people sometimes.

Not really that familar with Starcraft but are we sure thats what it is?
"Would you like to know more?" is very much associated with the film version of Starship Troopers, but they're not very bug-like I will concede.

Definitely Zerg there.

Wouldn't surprise me if Prodos thought they were the same thing.

Alex, just because we are dealing with Corporation and we are late with the KS... bear in mind THE Licensed product, not some random GW rip off it doesn't mean we are some bunch of idiots...

I think, personally, your comments are not fair to us and Prodos team , I understand that you may be unhappy us because the KS is delayed... however. again how many, NON licensed KS are delayed., Have you been flaming every other company equally or just us for AvP?

Apologies.

Just tired of waiting.

Then gotta wait some more after the initial wave.

You're probably in the same boat though I suppose.

I'm just such a big fan of the IP, I get so emotionally invested. You guys know what I mean. To see things constantly delayed is frustrating, then I just feel like I'm being fed bullgak excuses, but I guess I forget a lot of it is out of your hands at this point.

I just want this to be perfect. Models look awesome. I want the game to be as awesome, or better. Both the board and war games. You do too, of course.

Life feels gakky right now. Lots going on here that sucks. I guess I'm just lashing out for no good reason. Again, apologies.

I would absolutely love to see more of this! I love Starcraft and I really love the sculpts from Prodos. My Warzone stuff looks lovely.

I'm also glad you're not going the Kickstarter route this time around.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
EDIT: And another thing, those minis look completely devoid of detail, even for (i'm guessing) 10mm scale

No, they look like they have plenty of fine detail, even for 15 mm.

Yeah, those would be the most impressive 10mm figures ever made, and if they are 15mm, in the top tier.

 Medium of Death wrote:
From what I understand both Warzone and AVP have been a giant clusterfeth.

Is there any reason to support this?

I think you just answered your own question.

 Alex C wrote:
Funny how I'm the one constantly picked out amongst the MANY vocal, dissatisfied customers here.

I'll be fair with you as soon as you demonstrate that your company is at a level above fething amateurs, or you give me my money back.

While we're talking about being fair with people, maybe go over the concept with your CEO. He certainly has not been above lying to and insulting backers.

I'm critical of some other companies and projects, sure, but few companies display your level of incompetence and deceit so perhaps that's why I seem overly harsh on Prodos.

Can you please, be specific when I have been lying to any one?

Or when I have been insulting backers?

I don't have time for any PR, at all, also I stay away from forums like Dakka Dakka is because its distraction from work...clearly it is difficult to find anything creative on the forums nowadays anyway.

I would suggest to maybe start up your own business and get into someone shoes to see how much sweat, tears and nerves cost to develop the license product before you flame anywone. And all of that is happening behind the scenes, and there is no need to share with you or any backer that pain at all.

Please respond to my service@prodos.co.uk mail with examples of me laying or offending anyone, this is not the place to discuss this at all.

Warzone Resurrection - we're always grateful for any 'official' company presence here on Dakka Dakka!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:



I don't have time for any PR, at all, also I stay away from forums like Dakka Dakka is because its distraction from work...clearly it is difficult to find anything creative on the forums nowadays anyway.

Ouch!

A little below the belt there, don't you think?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
I think, personally, your comments are not fair to us and Prodos team , I understand that you may be unhappy us because the KS is delayed... however. again how many, NON licensed KS are delayed., Have you been flaming every other company equally or just us for AvP?

If every kickstarter creator ran off of a cliff, does that mean you should? YOUR company has a massively delayed product and that is what matters. The fact that other companies have been doing the same doesn't excuse it. Also, I don't know Alex C personally but I'm pretty sure he hasn't pledged on EVERY other company with massively delayed projects but pledged on your's. Why should he comment on things he doesn't have $$ invested in as opposed to the one he does?

 Pete Melvin wrote:
Is the ring on the dudes hand in the picture the One Ring? Ugh...I hate our people sometimes.

I was thinking that as well. I hope it isn't a wedding ring. The subtext of that would be...Let's just say I wouldn't want my wedding band to be the One Ring.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
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Please respond to my service@prodos.co.uk mail with examples of me laying or offending anyone, this is not the place to discuss this at all.

This isn't your KS. You can't unilaterally shut down access because you feel like it under false pretenses (since YOU said there wasn't any IP dispute yet that is the reason you CHOSE to close down the KS). If you feel your company's actions and the effects of them as justification for pledging/not pledging for your next project is off topic, you can press the warning button to alert one of the mods just like the rest of us. You don't get to decide on your own with no input from thousands of readers to simply shut the discussion down when it becomes inconvienent due to your own actions and that of Fox.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

BTW, if you would ask me how the hell we are getting licenses...The simply answer will be that no one wants to deal with any corporation. Now, after a year of fun with Fox we know how to play that game.


Thanks.

Before reading this I was just about to post that Prodos is probably one of the few companies to just...ask. I wouldn't be surprised if most folks simply presuppose that getting a license would be difficult or expensive, or that the corporate entity would be too challenging to deal with.

Oh for feth sake Jarek.

I edit my post after some reflection that sure, I'm probably being unfair, now this.

I can't give you any specific quotes as the KS page was taken down and you edit everything else.

Several times during the project we were lied to. You said there would be a gameplay video, we got nothing. You said there would be rules to see before the end, but nope. We were supposed to get army lists to plan our final pledges, again, nothing.

After the campaign we get into all the lies about delivery, wave shipments, project status etc.

fething hell, if you can't see how gakky you've treated everyone that gave you money almost 18 months ago then I have no hope of getting through to you.

I'm tired of this whole fething charade. You won't refund me. No doubt I'll get the shittiest models and game components you have. But I'm far from the only dissatisfied customer, not even the most vocal.


You ask me to provide an example of you insulting backers. Well, you provided your own in the same post. "I would suggest starting your own business blah blah blah". How fething childish. I have no desire to start a company doing licensed games. Evidently you do, which is why I gave you money.

A decision I thoroughly regret.

Warzone Resurrection wrote:
*snip*
BTW, if you would ask me how the hell we are getting licenses...The simply answer will be that no one wants to deal with any corporation. Now, after a year of fun with Fox we know how to play that game.
*snip*

I like this. Bruised and battered, but ready for more. Hats off to you!

His Master's Voice wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
EDIT: And another thing, those minis look completely devoid of detail, even for (i'm guessing) 10mm scale

No, they look like they have plenty of fine detail, even for 15 mm.

Agreed, they look good.

I know naff all about Starcraft, but I would love an EPIC style game with gribblies and big guns!

Alpharius wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

I don't have time for any PR, at all, also I stay away from forums like Dakka Dakka is because its distraction from work...clearly it is difficult to find anything creative on the forums nowadays anyway.

Ouch!

A little below the belt there, don't you think?

No time for PR, indeed. Or even a concept of what it is and how powerful it can be.

Well this degenerated quickly.

There's something to be said for public communications from official company representatives being universally positive.

It is a pretty good policy, at least in my view of the world.

I find that writing a potentially problematic forum post in a word file, saving it, and then reading it over an hour later before posting it is a good exercise.