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Hi Guys,

I just invested in inquisitor Karamazov. How ever his rules are not very clear to me.

If I well understand, he has access to 3 different type of orbital relay but here are my questions:

1 - Is it One Use Only as it his for the orbital strike in the warlord trait table for inquisition?

2 - Since Karamazov is Relentless, he can fire the orbital strike relay as it a Ordonance weapon, but does it mean that he can only snap shot his multi melta if he does so?

3 - Orbital rule is define as "If an arrow is roll on the scatter dice, always scatter the full 2d6 regardless of the ballistic skill". Does it mean that Direct hit still being direct?

Thank you for your assistance.

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1. depends on which rules you are using.
2. Karadread isn't monstrous. you get to shoot one or the other. not both. and OSR states it can only be used if he is stationary, not counts as stationary. Relentless is really only good for the Multi Melta.
3. No. with orbital bombardment, the little arrow on the direct hit still denotes a direction for where it scatters. This can be bypassed by targeting friendly units. try to limit it to (friendly zooming) flyers.

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 carldooley wrote:
1. depends on which rules you are using.
2. Karadread isn't monstrous. you get to shoot one or the other. not both. and OSR states it can only be used if he is stationary, not counts as stationary. Relentless is really only good for the Multi Melta.
3. No. with orbital bombardment, the little arrow on the direct hit still denotes a direction for where it scatters. This can be bypassed by targeting friendly units. try to limit it to (friendly zooming) flyers.



Thank you for your answer but I still have a couple of questions/comment:

1- i am using the 7th edition codex inquisition.

2- relentless mean that the model always count as stationary. So why would it not work for Orbital strike relay?

3- where can I find the rules for orbital as per mention by you?

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For number 2, Relentless doesn't just count as always being stationary. It counts as stationary for firing specific weapon types (like Heavy). This doesn't apply to OSR.
   
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Xenophon00 wrote:
3- where can I find the rules for orbital as per mention by you?


it is a really gamey interpretation of the rules.
'By any means necessary' - Karadread's rule. If it is not in the rules that you have, you can pretty much ignore this tactic. Basically, with it you can target friendly models with the OSR without it scattering.
Blast rules (P. 158 of the rulebook, third paragraph), 'take a good look at it from above - each unit suffers one hit for each of their models which is fully or partially beneath the blast marker'
Zooming rules (P. 84 of the rulebook, under Hard to Hit), 'Template and blast weapons, and any other attacks that don't roll To Hit, cannot hit Zooming Flyers.'
Flyer rules (P. 84 of the Rulebook, under Flyers and Other Models), 'Likewise, a Flyer can end its move over such models.'

taken together, you can use the fuselage and wings of your flyers to place the blasts where you want them without risking your flyer in the bargain. the only real sticking point is that you need LoS to where you want to place the marker, so bringing a piece of terrain that it can sit on is a good way to go as well. It could be a Fortress of Redemption (what I used when I used this), it could be a void shield generator, or another tall fortification or hill.


oh. you meant the 'always scatter rules'? while I don't own the current GK or Inquisitorial rules, I do have in my possession the softcover GK Codex, which if I'm correct, is where the OSR's rules were copy\pasted from. P. 58, Orbital Strike Relay, second paragraph, last sentence. 'Note that orbital strikes always scatter the full 2d6" in the direction shown (if a hit is rolled, they scatter in the direction of the small arrow on the 'hit' symbol). Given that there is the same stipulation in a SM Chapter Master's Orbital Bombardment and in the AM Master Of Ordnance's barrage, I see no reason to believe that it was removed in your rules.

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I just read my copy of the Codex: Inquisition and looked up the several iterations of the Definition of Orbital.

Nowhere in the Codex: Inquisition does it say "If a hit is rolled, they scatter in the direction of the small arrow on the "hit" symbol"

The codex: Inquisition only says that if an arrow is rolled it will always scatter a full 2d6, regardless of the bearers BS. So I guess it depends on if you are running the GK karamasov or the Inquisition Karamasov.

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 carldooley wrote:
3. No. with orbital bombardment, the little arrow on the direct hit still denotes a direction for where it scatters. This can be bypassed by targeting friendly units. try to limit it to (friendly zooming) flyers.

Where did you get this from? Unless I'm wrong, that's the rule for Master of Ordnance of IG. Nowhere in the rules for Orbital bombardment does it say so.

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He is wrong. He's quoting outdated rules as fact for Orbital Bombardment,
   
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 SharkoutofWata wrote:
He is wrong. He's quoting outdated rules as fact for Orbital Bombardment,


Yes, and I'm going to do something that I rarely do. I apologize for muddling the waters with outdated rules.

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 SharkoutofWata wrote:
He is wrong. He's quoting outdated rules as fact for Orbital Bombardment,


Can you guide me and tell me where to find the update rules for Obital?

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You have the rules to Orbital. You mentioned them in your first post. A direct hit is a direct hit because there is nothing there that says otherwise. You have been on the right track for the rule.
   
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Okay, I made an account for this just to join the discussion.

Relentless specifically states: 'Relentless models can shoot with Heavy, alvo or Ordnance weapons, counting as stationary, even if they moved in the previous Movement phase. they are also allowed to charge in the same turn they fire Heavy, Slavo, Rapid Fire or Ordnance weapons.'

The orbital strike never states you should be stationary. So you can move and use the Orbital in the same turn.

Also, a rolled Hit is a Hit without scattering..
   
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GreyFalcon wrote:
Okay, I made an account for this just to join the discussion.

Relentless specifically states: 'Relentless models can shoot with Heavy, alvo or Ordnance weapons, counting as stationary, even if they moved in the previous Movement phase. they are also allowed to charge in the same turn they fire Heavy, Slavo, Rapid Fire or Ordnance weapons.'

The orbital strike never states you should be stationary. So you can move and use the Orbital in the same turn.

Also, a rolled Hit is a Hit without scattering..


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