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Hey everyone, Hope to find out what you guys think on the new Forgeworld paints?
Here is my opinion:

There are new forgeworld paints?

 Vermis wrote:
There are new forgeworld paints?

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

Where exactly did you see/hear about them? Based on what you've said in the video, I'd say I'm none too impressed, but I'd like to see/hear/read about them with my own eyes before I form a legitimate opinion.

What?

I have a suspicion that he's just finding out about the FW weathering powders, doesn't understand what they are and is calling them paint.

 oni wrote:
What?

I have a suspicion that he's just finding out about the FW weathering powders, doesn't understand what they are and is calling them paint.

Nope, they're actually doing a line of airbrush paints.


Everything below the second row on the rack are airbrush paints. It looks like they also have a line of airbrushable washes.

Personally, I hope that I can buy these through my local GW. There have been a lot of people asking about airbrushing locally and I am awful at explaining things.

Thanks just about to post that, thanks

Almost four quid for 18ml of watery paint sounds about par for the course for GW and it's satellites. I agree that it's a rip-off and there are perfectly good alternatives out there, but fanboys gonna... fanboy. Maybe I could muster more passion if I shopped at GW for anything, these days.

It looks like they also have a line of airbrushable washes.

Now how does that work? I was given to understand that washes didn't pool and shade properly when applied through an airbrush, unless you spray on more than you'd normally brush on. (Though as a ruse to get you to buy more £4 pots at a faster rate, I could buy it. Not literally, though.)

 Vermis wrote:
Almost four quid for 18ml of watery paint sounds about par for the course for GW and it's satellites. I agree that it's a rip-off and there are perfectly good alternatives out there, but fanboys gonna... fanboy. Maybe I could muster more passion if I shopped at GW for anything, these days.

There are perfectly good alternatives out there, but there is a reason why people are still buying GW's paints. Hell Angel Giraldez(who is becoming the 'face' of Vallejo Model Air) still uses GW paints and says as much in regards to the step by steps he posts for Infinity.

If these paints are good, then they're good. Not like dedicated airbrush paints are cheap in any regard.

It looks like they also have a line of airbrushable washes.

Now how does that work? I was given to understand that washes didn't pool and shade properly when applied through an airbrush, unless you spray on more than you'd normally brush on. (Though as a ruse to get you to buy more £4 pots at a faster rate, I could buy it. Not literally, though.)

When you thin them down appropriately, they shade just fine.

 Kanluwen wrote:

There are perfectly good alternatives out there, but there is a reason why people are still buying GW's paints. Hell Angel Giraldez(who is becoming the 'face' of Vallejo Model Air) still uses GW paints and says as much in regards to the step by steps he posts for Infinity.

Is he paying four quid a pot for them?

If these paints are good, then they're good.

Are they four quid good? Are they self-highlighting, do they clean out your airbrush as they pass through, and do they otherwise make other perfectly good, cheaper airbrush paints look like thinned bovine fertiliser in comparison to their brilliance?

Not like dedicated airbrush paints are cheap in any regard.

I have a few bottles of VMA, 1ml smaller than the Coat D'arms style pots. If they were that close to four quid I'd've walked right by the rack they were on, let alone rummage through and inspect the colours on offer.

When you thin them down appropriately, they shade just fine.

What does that mean? That they darken the colour of the paint on the mini? Do they pool and create areas of shade in the recesses in the same way as when brushed on, if you 'just thin them' and apply them as a fine, raised-area-catching, rapidly-drying spray? If you thin them and spray on enough to pool, will the colour have the same intensity? How much are you using in any case?

I have a lot of trouble believing these will come close to touching Badger's Minitaire line.

By far the best line of airbrush paints I've worked with.

 Vermis wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

There are perfectly good alternatives out there, but there is a reason why people are still buying GW's paints. Hell Angel Giraldez(who is becoming the 'face' of Vallejo Model Air) still uses GW paints and says as much in regards to the step by steps he posts for Infinity.

Is he paying four quid a pot for them?

Where is this "four quid a pot" coming from?

I didn't see anyone having listed the prices.

When you thin them down appropriately, they shade just fine.

What does that mean? That they darken the colour of the paint on the mini? Do they pool and create areas of shade in the recesses in the same way as when brushed on, if you 'just thin them' and apply them as a fine, raised-area-catching, rapidly-drying spray? If you thin them and spray on enough to pool, will the colour have the same intensity? How much are you using in any case?

It means that they darken the color of the paint on the miniature and create small areas of shade in the recesses.

It gives a different effect to having been brushed on, but I have no examples right now as the models(Kasrkin) I used them on got stripped as I was unhappy with the color scheme I was trying(dark grey fatigues with khaki armor).

If they are that much, then like everything else from GW they're overpriced. The closest comparison would be P3 paints which are also 18ml in the same kind of bottle but cost $3.50, so almost half the price.

 Vermis wrote:
Now how does that work? I was given to understand that washes didn't pool and shade properly when applied through an airbrush, unless you spray on more than you'd normally brush on. (Though as a ruse to get you to buy more £4 pots at a faster rate, I could buy it. Not literally, though.)

Applying a wash with an airbrush is AMAZING! It actually applies a thin layer that spreads perfectly to the cracks. I don't have issues with pooling or having to clean up spots where you don't want the wash if you accidentally used too much, like you do with a brush. Since I clear coat before washing, a light brushing with a alcohol qtip cleans up raised areas beautifully. I can't say for sure if I use more than when I use a brush as I haven't compared, but since I am applying thinner layers and the airbrush helps push everything into the recesses I don't believe I am.

They are £3.75 a pot

 spudkins wrote:
They are £3.75 a pot

That's $5.90 in USD.

I thought they where p3 paints when I first saw the pots. Might be made by the same company that makes P3.

 Chute82 wrote:

 spudkins wrote:
They are £3.75 a pot

That's $5.90 in USD.

I thought they where p3 paints when I first saw the pots. Might be made by the same company that makes P3.

And that is simply nuts. Between Vallejo and Minitaire, why on earth would someone shell out money for these? I mean, I guess if you wanted to avoid mixing colors for specific Legions, like the Sons of Horus... but jeez.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:

 spudkins wrote:
They are £3.75 a pot

That's $5.90 in USD.

I thought they where p3 paints when I first saw the pots. Might be made by the same company that makes P3.

And that is simply nuts. Between Vallejo and Minitaire, why on earth would someone shell out money for these? I mean, I guess if you wanted to avoid mixing colors for specific Legions, like the Sons of Horus... but jeez.

Because nobody in the history of ever said "Oh heavens forbid, I have too many different options to choose from!"

 Kanluwen wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:

 spudkins wrote:
They are £3.75 a pot

That's $5.90 in USD.

I thought they where p3 paints when I first saw the pots. Might be made by the same company that makes P3.

And that is simply nuts. Between Vallejo and Minitaire, why on earth would someone shell out money for these? I mean, I guess if you wanted to avoid mixing colors for specific Legions, like the Sons of Horus... but jeez.

Because nobody in the history of ever said "Oh heavens forbid, I have too many different options to choose from!"

Oh believe me, Dakka Dakka is full of surprises.

Personally, I'm excited for another airbrush range to try out.

I'll be getting at least two pots of Death Korps Drab, Typhon Ash, and possibly Vulkan Green.

 Chute82 wrote:

 spudkins wrote:
They are £3.75 a pot

That's $5.90 in USD.

I thought they where p3 paints when I first saw the pots. Might be made by the same company that makes P3.

That's still about a dollar or two more than I'd be willing to pay, and for no reason other than it has the "GW" stamp on it. But at least it's 18ml and not 12 like the stupid regular paints. I wonder if people would pay $5.90 for 18mL of the regular Citadel paints. Probably.

I still don't get why GW feels they can charge more than everyone else for paints. It's not like their paints are that much better.

I saw on B&C someone who was there said that apparantly these are actually brush paints, and they're still working on the airbrush ones, which would explain the proper bottles as opposed to dropper ones.

That makes a heck of a lot more sense as well with the shades down at the bottom.

The exact quote from Balthamal on B&C:

There's paints now too for all of the Legions - both base colours and washes. Brush only at the minute but the airbrush range is being worked on now so shouldn't be too far away.

I have recently come to realize that the FW bottles are really not hard-wearing. I own a bunch of the weathering powders (which are excellent I might add) but many of the lids have started to break into little pieces under a lot of use. While this is fine for powders as I just pop a bit of foil over the top, actual paint would dry up super fast in them.

Odd that FW would be selling actual paints though, seems to be fighting with GW proper if they are both trying to sell the same thing...

 Commander Cain wrote:
I have recently come to realize that the FW bottles are really not hard-wearing. I own a bunch of the weathering powders (which are excellent I might add) but many of the lids have started to break into little pieces under a lot of use. While this is fine for powders as I just pop a bit of foil over the top, actual paint would dry up super fast in them.

Odd that FW would be selling actual paints though, seems to be fighting with GW proper if they are both trying to sell the same thing...

They seem a lot more specific to the Space Marine legions. I welcome it, SoH are a pig to paint without a proper colour for them.

There's one or two Legions, SoH and AL spring to mind, where, yes, if you were doing a whole army or were particularly keen to get a model 'right' then a pre mixed colour would be useful.

My issue is, if these are indeed not airbrush fromulated, the majority are essentially redundant. I mean, the HH has been going for what 4, 5 years from FW?

In all that time, the studio models have been painted, in the main, with Citadel paint. I'm even using the FW recommended paints on my own EC. So, either they're expecting to repaint their own models and all the customers who care about getting the right colour with these new custom Legion colours, or the majority are so close to Citadel shades as to render their existence redundant?

Actually, they've seemed to use a lot of things like Vallejo and Tamiya and things, as opposed to mostly citadel. The first four in the paint guide they said they used Citadel (although the SoH in that guide don't look much like theirs so I think they probably didn't) but I've emailed them about AL and others and they tell you every paint they used, even if they aren't Citadel.

I think the SoH ones for example, probably get you the right base colour without having to mix four different colours like you do now. So that one isn't redundant. The others might be a bit more so. I'm not sure.

FW have remained a lot more open and frank about using third party paints etc in recent years than GW proper have, it's true.

This is probably the first step on the road to crushing that creative expression.

wow, a lot of really negative people in this thread...
i think it is cool that they are bringing the Salamanders green back...
i still love that dark green from the original 1990-91 Space Marine paint set...
the Sons of Horus sea green looks awesome...
i bet the Night Lords blue looks like the old Midnight Blue...
all in my favorite style pot...
Iron Hands Steel, Chemos Purple, and a few of the others look like they could be interesting tones...
i could see myself playing around with some of these colors...

30k paints seem like a good idea to me...
i don't really care about prices, since i'll finagle a discount anyway...
seen as how the paints dry out in these pots, i know i'll only have to buy one pot, and it will last me for decades, like the original Citadel paints have...

i think they are an awesome move!!!

cheers
jah

Wow! I stand corrected and amazed. I'm curious if we'll be seeing a private labeled Forge World airbrush.