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Made in kr
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Hello! Not touched the game since 5th Edition, and I was never a prolific player even then... But recently got the urge to dive back in. Not super worried about being maximally competitive, although I want to make the list as good as it can be within its constraints (i.e the list might be better as pure Eldar if winning was the only consideration, but I love the DE transports and am not a big fan of the Eldar ones...). Don't even know if there's people that play 40k over here in Korea, but I guess I'll find out Otherwise there's always Vassal, and might possibly be moving back to Europe sometime soon after 5 years in asia, we'll see. If there are tournaments here (or in Japan since it's so close and I go there all the time anyway), I'd definitely play them tho.

Anyhow, after trying to somehow make a harlequin/eldar or harlequin/DE mix, I eventually gave up because their formations are a fething joke and force you to take way too much gak you don't want. Shame because the Death Jester and Shadowseer are some of my absolute favorite models GW has ever made.

So, went with DE/Eldar in the end. How does this sound?

745 pts - DE
Spoiler:


Archon - 60

5x Trueborn /w 3xBlaster - 105
5x Trueborn /w 3xBlaster - 105

5x Kabalite warriors /w Blaster - 55
5x Kabalite warriors /w Blaster - 55

Raider - 55
Raider - 55
Venom /w SCannon - 65
Venom /w SCannon - 65

Ravager /w 3 DL = 125


- Think I might be taking a bit too many blasters/lances for the point level, and the splinter racks are probably wasted with so few warriors? Maybe remove some blasters, add warriors (or some archon tools) would be better. Could drop like 4 blasters and the splinter racks and bump the warrior squads up to full size.

To bump it up to 1k, turn the Trueborns back into Warriors, and add an aspect host

992 - Eldar/DE
Spoiler:

Archon - 60

10x Kabalite warriors w Blaster - 95
9x Kabalite warriors w blaster - 87

Raider /w DL, SR - 75
Raider /w DL, SR - 75
Venom /w SCannon - 65
Venom /w SCannon - 65

Ravager /w 3 DL = 125

Aspect Host
5x Fire Dragons /w Exarch - 120
5x Fire Dragons /w Exarch - 120
5x Warp Spiders /w Exarch - 105


And an Eldar CAD for 1500:

Spoiler:

Eldar CAD
Autarch - 70
- wings
- fusion gun
- banshee mask
- power spear
= 115

9x Dire Avengers - 117
9x Dire Avengers - 117

Aspect Host
5x Fire Dragons /w Exarch - 120
5x Fire Dragons /w Exarch - 120
5x Warp Spiders /w Exarch - 105

= 694

DE RSR
Archon - 60
- blaster; 15
= 85

10x Kabalite warriors w Blaster - 95
10x Kabalite warriors w blaster - 95

Raider /w DL - 60
Raider /w DL - 60
Raider /w DL, SR - 75
Raider /w DL, SR - 75
Venom /w SCannon - 65
Venom /w SCannon - 65

Ravager /w 3x DL = 125

= 805

Total: 1494

Add 2 more ravagers to bump it up to 1750, or maybe 1 ravager and bump up the warp spider squad a bit + some tools for the archon (WWP or something)



I *think* I've managed to do this without violating any rules, but tbh I don't have a solid grasp of 7th rules yet (got a 15 hour plane ride coming up next week, seems like a decent time to get myself up to speed).

Some things I'm not sure about/concerned about:

- The DE Warlord trait table seems extremely hit or miss.. half of the traits seem pretty solid, but the other half are just.... Completely useless? As you might have noticed however, I tooled the autarch in the Eldar CAD for a sort of suicidal solo character, so he probably shouldn't be the warlord (though I could re-tool him into something less suicidally aggressive of course).
- I know a lot of competitive DE lists don't even take any kind of HQ except for like a Lhaemia... Feels sort of boring tho and would prefer to not have to do that if possible. One of the bigger grievances I have with the the DE dex is how extremely limited their characters are in customization :( Anyway, for now I left the archon extremely sparsely dressed because I'm not sure putting points into the tools that he does have available, is actually worth it?
- My initial attempt at a 1000 pt starting list had min DA and min warrior units (all in raiders), but I have a suspicion that at such a low point level, the additional HQ and double troop tax is a bit too much to justify (hence the switch to an allied aspect host instead of full CAD)..


Also, unrelated to list making, if anyone has any cool examples of Archon conversions, I'd love to see them. The standard GW one... Not a big fan of the bald look, he's a few spikes short of a starring role in Hellraiser. Though I guess giving him a non-bald head is easy enough

EDIT: Removed some points costs that I seem to remember I'm not supposed to post on dakka

EDIT2: Realized I'd misread the points for nightshields as 5 instead of 15 and so removed those...

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Made in kr
Dakka Veteran





Also, quick question on scourges vs trueborn for anti-tank (and by extension, scourges vs firedragons in a venom) --- can they replace them or are firedragons just on a different level of reliability?

Further realized I fethed up the points badly in the first list by not counting something so gotta re-do some of this stuff hehe...
EDIT: Think all taken care off now...

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2015/05/29 16:37:29


 
   
 
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