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http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2015/06/09/rumor-it-tired-reading-german-space-marine-rules/


So here is the link to theleaked SM codex.


The stupidity that has immediately caught my eye is the Battle-Demi Companies taken as a Gladius.

Every unit in it will gain obsec, gets their transports for free, and cam use the old UM tactics on top of the chapter tactics your using.

Here's a demo list I made:

1st Battle Company
Captain upgraded to Chapter Master with bike, artificer armor, relic blade, and shield eternal- 225pts

Command Squad with Bikes
Narthecium
+2x storm shield and grav gun
Drop Pod

220pts


#1 5 man with grav gun and razorback with heavy bolter
85pts

#2 5 man with grav gun and razorback-heavy bolter
80pts

#3 5 man with Flamer and razorback heavy bolter
75pts


Bike Squad:
3 Bikers with 2 melta guns
83pts

1 Devastator Squad
5x Devastators 4x grav cannon with amp
Drop Pod
210pts


2nd Battle Company

Chaplain on bike- 110pts

Command Squad with Narthecium 2x storm shields, 2x power mauls 1x power fist 1 melta bomb
Razorback with heavy bolter
225pts.

3
#1 5 man with grav gun and razorback heavy flamer
85pts

#2 5 man with melta gun and razorback heavy flamer
80pts

#3 5 man with Flamer and razorback heavy flamer
75pts

Bike Squad:
3 Bikers with 2 melta guns
83pts

1 Devastator Squad
5x Devastators 4x grav cannon with amp
Drop Pod
210pts
Can this be beat? I feel like this WAY too overpowered for even Decurion or Eldar wraiths to take on.


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It has 7 HQs, 2 Troop types with Dedicated Transports, 5 Elite units, 5 Fast Attack units, 6 Heavy Support units, 2 Formations with unique units not in the rest of the codex, and 2 LOW choices.

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You'll need an Auxiliary choice for those transports to become free, so there's that.

It's a strong army, but I'm not super concerned about facing it.

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We'll just have to wait and see. I'm not skeered. It still rankles me far less than the Eldar Codex.

Plus it's booooooring. You can't take any of the cool SM support squads and the Gladius has no non-formation auxilliaries.

Also, the gladius requires an auxilliary choice (I think). Where is yours? (Edit: Ninja'd by Thud!)

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Once you pop those razorbacks (not that hard a job), its a bunch of t4 3+ TAC marines running around with average weaponry.
Hardly meta breaking tbh.

Sure the grav devs are nasty but they're an alpha strike unit, once they land and get a round off they'll be nuked.

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I can see one weakness in this list already (besides it not being legal):

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It also has no AA and MSU bikers arent particularly scary built as they are above.

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This is true, but most of Auxiliaries are cheap enough you could
Put one in without majorly changing the costs. Still seems broken to me even if there is 'tax'.


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My Star Wars Imperial Codex Project: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/641831.page
It has 7 HQs, 2 Troop types with Dedicated Transports, 5 Elite units, 5 Fast Attack units, 6 Heavy Support units, 2 Formations with unique units not in the rest of the codex, and 2 LOW choices.

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I'm excited about this new codex. That list you made seems strong yeah, but it's varied enough to not seem like super cheese. That looks like a well-rounded list, unlike an eldar list that consists of 25 jetbikes and 2 wraithknights.

Plus they made a lot of the special characters playable again.

So i think this codex was a nice upgrade, and I for one am probably going to buy in to it.

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still for a bigger game the idea of free transports...Nice. Im to lazy to read the article so a quick question would be can you field terminators somehow and give them a Land raider for free?

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Could people use this formation to drop a bunch of free empty ob sec drop pods (ghost pods?) on objectives? Not sure if that's a thing or not
   
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Dont get me wrong, its a decent list but its not OP nor meta breaking imo.

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You need to take 2 demi companies (a full battle company) to get the free transports.

Edit: Oh never mind, my mistake

Edit: How many points is the OP's list? and how does it deal with flyers?

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You're trading actual strength for MSU Objectives. Yes, you'll win against Knights, and prolly Pentyrants, but you won't win against #Lictorshame or the Scout list that does the same thing but is more balanced about it. MSU Obj Sec is an old idea and frankly, this just redoes it.

At best, it shifts the meta to killing MSU again. But the meta has already been doing that with the amount of S6 spam we've been seeing.
   
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lustigjh wrote:Could people use this formation to drop a bunch of free empty ob sec drop pods (ghost pods?) on objectives? Not sure if that's a thing or not

Oh yes it is.

And everything in those core formations is Objective Secured, so any purchased dedicated transports (including drop pods) are also objective secured. MWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

SharkoutofWata wrote:You're trading actual strength for MSU Objectives. Yes, you'll win against Knights, and prolly Pentyrants, but you won't win against #Lictorshame or the Scout list that does the same thing but is more balanced about it. MSU Obj Sec is an old idea and frankly, this just redoes it.

At best, it shifts the meta to killing MSU again. But the meta has already been doing that with the amount of S6 spam we've been seeing.

Quoted for truth. The game meta has been shifting toward MSU objective grabbers. It would hold up well against deathstars, but other MSU lists are another story.

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Look at this way:

For 200 points you can field ten 11/11/10 3HP tanks with TL AssCannons, TL LC, or Lascannon+TL plasma gun...

Sure, the units you take to get the free transports aren't the best in the book, but don't act like the amount of fire power this can put out isn't enough to table most armies in its own right. You're looking at base 50 MEQ bodies with weapons and 10 razorbacks w/ weapon upgrades for around 1500 pts. So this won't really work well until 1850+, which is popular, and leaves ~350 pts for the auxiliary formation that will add even more table presence and fire power.

   
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jSewell wrote:
Look at this way:

For 200 points you can field ten 11/11/10 3HP tanks with TL AssCannons, TL LC, or Lascannon+TL plasma gun...

Sure, the units you take to get the free transports aren't the best in the book, but don't act like the amount of fire power this can put out isn't enough to table most armies in its own right. You're looking at base 50 MEQ bodies with weapons and 10 razorbacks w/ weapon upgrades for around 1500 pts. So this won't really work well until 1850+, which is popular, and leaves ~350 pts for the auxiliary formation that will add even more table presence and fire power.


GW realised that people that spam one of something is their best customer. He probably wants to spam 3 other things too, so he has a monstrous amount of models just to be able to do his spam. So now they incentivice all sorts of spamming.

"try 50 MEQ! It's just 10 boxes of MEQ and 10 boxes of rhino chassis!"

 
   
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Ok so I am reading the leaked codex pages... Where does it say they get Free razorbacks?

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 Xerics wrote:
Ok so I am reading the leaked codex pages... Where does it say they get Free razorbacks?

Try the formations.

 
   
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Rapid City, SD

Yeah I found it. But it takes 2 of those formations. So you pretty much have NO heavy support. I would welcome a bunch of squishy marines and their squishy razorbacks against my scatterspam with 4 wraithknights. The only thing that would even stand a chance would be the devastators. Everything else would be hard pressed to kill just 1 wraithknight let alone 4.

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 Xerics wrote:
Ok so I am reading the leaked codex pages... Where does it say they get Free razorbacks?


I had to work to find it too. In the section for the Gladius Strike Force, one of the Command Benefits is Company Support. There ya go.

Ninja'd by yourself.

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Also in this list that is posted above where are the 2 Auxiliary formations that are required? Each full detachment must have 1 core and 1 auxiliary minimum.

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You also need at least 1 auxiliary choice to make it a legal Gladius Strike Force. Both Demi-Companies are core, not auxiliary.

You only get the free transports if it's a Gladius Strike Force, not just for having 2 demi-companies.
   
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2 Auxiliary. 1 per each core choice is required. pretty much first sentence in the Restrictions section right above the command benefits section.


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NVM read it wrong. Still need 1 Auxiliary tho.

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 Ghazkuul wrote:
still for a bigger game the idea of free transports...Nice. Im to lazy to read the article so a quick question would be can you field terminators somehow and give them a Land raider for free?



Um... No. It specifically say ld razorbacks, rhinos, or drop pods.


Space Marines: Jacks of all trades yet masters of GRAV CANNONS!!!.
My Star Wars Imperial Codex Project: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/641831.page
It has 7 HQs, 2 Troop types with Dedicated Transports, 5 Elite units, 5 Fast Attack units, 6 Heavy Support units, 2 Formations with unique units not in the rest of the codex, and 2 LOW choices.

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More transports? Yay... Not like KDK already had a problem with those...

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Great, now razorbacks and rhinos are going to be even harder to get on Ebay :(
I'm still trying to increase my armies tank count beyond the 1 it has...

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I think the cheapest is the suppression force at 105? I didn't scroll down and check all the formation restrictions or the exact points.

Barring that, the 10th company task force is a minimum of 163 (for 3 units of scout bikers, no upgrades).

   
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Yeah I agree, this formation isnt nearly as strong as the formation that gives all the pie-plate tanks and a techmarine with an extra +1 to repair them with.

Also the unit of 3 TFCs with an extra +1 to BS. 3 thunderfire cannons at BS6? are you kidding me?! all that for 300 points. Now that's a heavy support slot if you ask me.

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 dragoonmaster101 wrote:
More transports? Yay... Not like KDK already had a problem with those...


As a Chaos player, you have to resign yourself to the fact that we will never, ever get anything close to the level of Loyalist scum, because we wouldn't want Little Timmy to be discouraged that he can't just blink at the big, bad, evil-doers and be unable to effortlessly wipe us from the table...

Besides, free Razorbacks will be the Marine players being kind... Drop Pods are where the true power always has, and always will lie.

 
   
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The cheapest is 3 Scout Squads in the 10th Company formation for 165. The Suppression force requires to Whirlwinds, so is 175.

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