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I kind of am. What they have been doing since going public has just completely turned me off to them. However the IP's are too valuable to let languish, so I'm sure someone like Hasbro would snatch them up if they went under.

Aside from those who don't deserve to losing their jobs I can't think of one downside to it. I truly believe almost anyone could run them better at this point.

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I am hoping it puts them back on track, im a big GW fan they, they never really did anything that upset me, other than put up the prices, but I guess thats expected

   
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For GW?

No, not really.

For GW under its current management?

A definite YES.

I do not blame the game designers, nor do I blame the sculptors (mostly... there have been some very lazy shortcuts being taken on some of the sculpts for the last few years).

The people that make the decisions that the game designers and sculptors are then stuck with are the ones that I bear a burden of dislike for.

The people that decide to be IP bullies, those I very much dislike.

The people that are so enamored of their own opinions that they crow about not bothering with market research, I despise.

But GW, as itself?

I remember the 'good old days'.

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What is AoS?

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Nah, I want GW to improve, not fail.

   
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I believe that, while the current management keep their posts, a company with such crazy potential as GW will keep going nowhere.

Big changes are needed. And those changes won't happen unless the company gets in such a bad financial state that a real shake-up becomes the only solution. Kirby and his chore of yes-men have to go and never return.

In order for such a thing to happen, a big failure with the whole Fantasy reboot is mandatory.

That said, I believe even such an uninspired product as Age of Sigmar seems to be will find some kind of target demographic. I don't think it will be a big seller, specially if the rumored price (between 120 and 140€) is actually true. Perhaps in the end it will be some kind of a "moderate failure", I mean, selling enough that it won't have a huge negative impact on the companie's numbers but hardly achieving goals like bringing some veterans back to the game or attracting a new audience.

Mostly because you usually have to offer a good deal in order for a new audience to feel interested. And seriously 120-140€ for what we've seen in the pics is insane. Although in line with their overall pricing policies so hardly surprising.

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the reported sales of fantasy (baring the boost the end times releases brought) probably means that whatever AoS does sales wise is not going to be seen as much of a negative

if it does well, it's a win for GWs management, sales of game No2 are up and they are happy

if it does badly it's almost as good as it shows that nobody (well nobody they sell to) cares about fantasy and they can forget about it forever and keep on making more and more 40K stuff without competition for design studio time, release slots etc

 
   
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Nah, I want GW to improve, not fail.

This.

I see no particular reason to wish the demise of the company. I would just like to see them return to a focus on improving the product, rather than just changing it.

 
   
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I hope AOS fails because it's boring and unimaginative.
As for GW, I don't like them, but I don't want them to disappear. Lots of good folks that love their games don't deserve that.
What I want is for GW under its current leadership to be bought out by someone actually competent. (Sadly, that would mean I think the designers need to go as well.)
How likely is this? I really am not sure. I think people tend to inflate the power of the IP.



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 MWHistorian wrote:
I hope AOS fails because it's boring and unimaginative.
As for GW, I don't like them, but I don't want them to disappear. Lots of good folks that love their games don't deserve that.
What I want is for GW under its current leadership to be bought out by someone actually competent. (Sadly, that would mean I think the designers need to go as well.)
How likely is this? I really am not sure. I think people tend to inflate the power of the IP.


On the one hand, I wish AoS would make GW fail and get bought out. But on the other, I can easily see a bigger company messing with 40k or the remnants of WHFB too much to try and make it sell better.


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GW have effectively destroyed one of their oldest properties and replaced it with God knows what, but it's looking like something closer to either LotR or 40k rules with fantasy figures. If it fails, I'd imagine it looks even less favourable to a buy-out of the company as the fantasy customer base will be gone, either to other games or simply out the hobby, making it very hard to resurrect anytime soon. GW will only be able to offer 40k as a going concern, they haven't got a portfolio, they've got one game. Dropping fantasy as we know it is probably the right call right now, but you have to accept that they are in this situation entirely through their own doing, they've driven fantasy into the ground with their rules and model prices making it too difficult to play. What a dreadful shame.
   
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Even though I don't like the new models and I think GW is being incompetent, I just want them to be... competent at what they do.


 
   
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I simply don't care anymore. This AoS crap (because it's crap to me) is the last nail for me personally. I couldn't care less now besides maybe not posting in related threads!

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I used to not care. Now, I'm feeling kind of sad, because I very much expect Age of Sigmarines to fail. And if AoS fails, GW as a whole won't be far behind.

If GW goes down, Warhammer in all its forms goes with it. D&D went through a similar crisis, and only barely survived, despite being a household name. If D&D can come so close to failure, Warhammer is doomed.

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My personal answer is just a simple, "No", but I happen to like GW and its products (and don't care about their CEO, really any more than any other CEO).

I don't know at what point GW counts Sigmar as a "success", but the independent that I get most of my 40k stuff from already has a growing list of reservations for it -- ever since the picture leaks. I think it'll do "okay" on the merits of the models in the short term. If the rules are good, I think it'll do better than okay, and if the rules are bad, I think it'll fade into obscurity as an unsustainable product.

As for "the final nail", I think don't think Fantasy is doing much for GW at the moment anyways.

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I for one can't wait to see what they have in store for us. GW focuses on minis, as do I, which I think is why I approve of a lot of the decisions they make. They cater to my demographic, and I see that happening, it seems most people on here don't approach the hobby the same way, I myself haven't played a game in years but am very up to date with the miniatures.

They have the best selection by far, I don't think people really make the effort to fathom the work that goes into creating such a massive, imaginative range. Again, they don't approach it the same way. I'm stoked for the new minis.

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That depends on a lot of things, the price, the support, advertisement (or lack of it). What will those that played WHFB do, will they flock to it or run away, will 40k players pick it up or will there only be bought by a small group of modelers.

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I might get a good laugh at seeing Tom Kirby thrown out of a window by a bunch of investors, but otherwise I want the company to do well and go back to making good games.
   
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I don't think AoS failing will be the final nail. It will be the limited edition formations breaking what is left of 40k's shattered game balance. People will eventually tire of it and not want to keep up with it anymore.
   
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Given their record lately, I don't see how anyone can hold out hope for a good game to emerge from the current management.

I mean I love the new Adeptus Mech models, but the rules, special this and special that, and meaningless names...

Age of Sigmar reminds me A LOT of DC Comics and the New 52.

It's a reboot!

But everything is staying!

It's shiny and new!

But also everything you love!

Look at the new toys!

But you can still use your old ones!

To succeed AoS has to sell. To sell it has to simultaniously bring in tons of new players while keeping existing players happy AND convincing players with closets full of painted minis to go out and buy more.

Maybe someone could pull off that trick, but I don't think the current management can.

 
   
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I am actually excited at the new AoS and the starter box set. I was never really into Fantasy, however I have a few small armies, but never really got anywhere with.

With AoS 9th Edition I can start from scratch, so hope that AoS goes well.

As for GW failing, hope not, as I would hate to see front line guys lose their jobs, but something has to change from the top, GW needs to be bought out by Hasbro and the current administration sacked and a new one appointed by Hasbro.


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Fingers crossed that it another nail in their coffin.

The sooner they collapse the sooner they get bought out.

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Yeah, another nail in the coffin, but not the final one (that will be 40k). I just think its sad that they would rather destroy one of their games/ip lines rather than try to fix the rules of said game. Now they've given mass fantasy battles to mantic, while trying to compete with warmahordes. Good luck, they're going to need it.

 
   
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I hope they start selling off their IPs, so that I can try to get the LotR IP.

A long-shot at best, but if it could be managed to at least steer that IP toward someone like Tom Meier, then it might have a hope.

But the whole AoS looks like it is turning WHFB and WH40K into one game.

Which would not be surprising in the least.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Given their record lately, I don't see how anyone can hold out hope for a good game to emerge from the current management.

I mean I love the new Adeptus Mech models, but the rules, special this and special that, and meaningless names...

Age of Sigmar reminds me A LOT of DC Comics and the New 52.

It's a reboot!

But everything is staying!

It's shiny and new!

But also everything you love!

Look at the new toys!

But you can still use your old ones!

To succeed AoS has to sell. To sell it has to simultaniously bring in tons of new players while keeping existing players happy AND convincing players with closets full of painted minis to go out and buy more.

Maybe someone could pull off that trick, but I don't think the current management can.


Agreed. Fantasy needs something LIKE AoS, but the way it is being handled isn't helping anyone. Currently its like GW is doing everything they can to piss of existing customers, while only advertising to said pissed off customers their new replacement game.
I think its sad, because the minis seem to be very technically competent piece (stylistic choices aside) that if they'd been released in any other manner they would be getting praised.
It might make sense if Age of Sigmar was accompanied by a big marketing push in to mainstream toy stores... but currently I don't actually understand who the game is supposed to be for.


   
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Given their record lately, I don't see how anyone can hold out hope for a good game to emerge from the current management.

I mean I love the new Adeptus Mech models, but the rules, special this and special that, and meaningless names...

Age of Sigmar reminds me A LOT of DC Comics and the New 52.

It's a reboot!

But everything is staying!

It's shiny and new!

But also everything you love!

Look at the new toys!

But you can still use your old ones!

To succeed AoS has to sell. To sell it has to simultaniously bring in tons of new players while keeping existing players happy AND convincing players with closets full of painted minis to go out and buy more.

Maybe someone could pull off that trick, but I don't think the current management can.


Will it go something like this


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I don't wish them to fail, but I do hope they get on a more consumer friendly course.

It strikes me that many of the choices they make are aimed squarely at a) satisfying the needs of investors with b) the least amount of effort necessary.

Both of those are consistent with the actions of a well-run company, but they come at the expense of consumers all-too often. I haven't played fantasy since I was a kid, but I know a lot of people who have put a great deal of effort into that game. The idea it could be abandoned is horrifying.

   
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It's not the final nail yet. They need to shove fantasy into 40k with Sigmar as a lost primarch first.

   
 
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