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How should I start a khorne demon kin army? I was thinking of getting the DV set and trading the dark angels with my friend for his csm from this set. So I would have 40 cultists 2 helbrutes and 12 chosen I can use as khorne bezerkers or something. Do you guys think is a good idea?

Sure, assuming you have no interest in dark angels and like daemonkin.

Khorne daemonkin is an underrated army that packs a huge punch when played well. They are also somewhat forgiving as you get abilities when you make mistakes and get stuff killed (especially when it wasn't a mistake).

Can 2 helbrutes 40 cultists and 12 khorne bezerkers be a good starter army? Also what should I eauip them with? Thanks!

The zerkers and cultists are actually a pretty good start. I would recommend minimizing equipment and taking them with the most basic load outs. Khorne Daemonkin rewards you for MSU and keeping the units cheap.

BTW I thought this was the starter kit? Those were chosen not zerkers in the starter kit. Not that you cannot convert them to zerkers but I am curious.

Also you will probably need some possessed which can be easily converted by taking some bits from other chaos kits and adding tentacles and horns to chosen or CSM.

The helbrutes can work however if you are confident in your conversion skills I would actually recommend looking up a conversion to turn them into daemon princes (I have seen a few that look really cool). Otherwise again keep them cheap with powerfist and multi melta.

You should have a reasonable start but I need to warn you it will take some investment to get the army up to being a good army.

Depending on your conversion skills you will need at least 15 khorne dogs and I would recommend more like 30 of them.

You will also want 2-3 units of bikers each unit with either 2 melta or 2 plasma. Once you have added the bikers and khorne dogs you will have a pretty good army that I have seen take on top tier builds. You will also need a daemon prince with wings and a blood thirster for when you want to generate them with blood tithe.

You will probably need to add some rhinos to transport your zerkers. A trick that works well for these units is to give the rhino a combi melta or plasma and dozer blade. Move up and flat out into position (or pop smoke if you don't need to flat out) turn 1. Most opponent's will shoot the rhino and HP stripping it giving you a blood tithe point and usually leaving you LoS blocking cover. However if the opponent leaves it you can disembark the zerkers to claim an objective and a possible turn 3 charge and the rhino can shoot something important. One of the nice things about zerkers is that they are fearless and so you always have to kill them to the last man. The other units the opponent can just hurt them enough to run leaving you with a unit not doing anything and not blood tithe. Zerkers they either kill the unit or the zerkers get on objectives, clog up the board, absorb overwatch, and occasionally charge stuff.

Additional units that work well are; soul grinders, maulerfiends, single spawn units, units of 8 blood letters, units of 3 terminators with combi plasma (or melta) and maces in the formation.

If you get far enough into it this army combines well with renegades or vraks for artillery units to house khorne lords in and generate additional blood tithe.

Either way make sure you play aggressive. If you are not getting charge opportunities on turn 2 you probably don't have enough fast threats or are not playing aggressive enough.

Yeah they are chosen. Should I converted them to possessed then?

I would recommend converting exactly 4 possessed and a possessed champion. No more and no less. This gives you the minimum for the Blood Host Detachment. You will also need 3 units of any of the following; 8 CSM, 8 zerkers, or 8 blood letters. You could convert the rest of the chosen into either CSM or zerkers to help you fill the minimum requirements.

I personally prefer the blood letters as they come with DS and are pretty cheap thus letting you take more other stuff. However zerkers and CSM can be useful but are costy with the necessary upgrades and a transport.

BTW I would be careful about playing your friend until you build up a bit. The Dark Angels side of the box is actually close to being a pretty good army. It is also a LOT more pts than the chaos side as the fantastically sculpted but very low pts and ability cultists compose most of your models. They are a wonderful start for any renegades or chaos army but also do very little to flush the army out. Funny enough the units are actually equipped 2 of the "best" configurations; unit to get to objectives 9 pistol/CC weapons + flamer and unit to sit in cover on objectives 9 autogun + stub gun.

The DV box certainly has great value but I've actually never used Chosen because they just aren't very good. But if you can convert them to Possessed, that'd be good for a Khorne daemonkin army.
Helbrutes are generally frowned upon but they've always done the job I set them out to do.

You'd have a Chaos Lord model but on foot they're not really great, however, nothing stops you from giving him a jetpack and saying can fly because warp powers and gak. Or you could put him in the squad of possessed.

All in all I think there're certainly better ways to start a daemonkin army but the box is just so much value.

What do you think is a better way to start that isn't to much?

Dark Vengeance is probably still the best way to start CSM and dividing two boxes will get you enough cultists for what you need. The chosen are also some of the best sculpted CSM models on the market. Helbrutes play well with khorne demonkin from what i hear too.

Depending on your financial situation. Picking up a CSM battleforce (the old one) may just solve all your problems unit wise. It had 15 CSM marines, a rhino, 5 possessed, and 8 berserkers. The trick is finding the old battleforce. Its not too commonplace anymore. In my experience though, the FLGS often has some older sets laying around.

I will use the chosen as csm. I am trading the DA in the DV set with my friend for his csm that he also got from dv set. Then I will have 2 helbrutes, 12 csm(chosen) and 40 cultists. What should I buy to improve the army?

What is your financial limitations?

From my experience playing chaos over the last 5 years, fast units are the way go. This was only reenforced with the new maelstrom missions, I recommend maulerfiends (if you use them take 2 or more), bikes have always been good (for khorne I'd use several small units), flesh hound, juggerlords, and the D thirster is great if you don't throw him against hordes or powerfists. I have really been enjoying daemonkin since it came out, the tithe points make units that were meh before decent and units that were good before amazing.

I concur with sykl. If your picking things up individually. Go with maulerfiends, bikes and other similar fast units. If you just want to buy one big box. go with something like this.

I'm not for certain if the helbrute dataslate can be used with Khorne daemon kin, but if it can, that third helbrute will get you everything you need for a Murder Pack formation which will let you deep strike three very angry helbrutes anywhere on the board. Standard melta brute layout along with the termicide you can do with the box means most antitank is covered.

I only have $150 to spend that's why I was looking into DV.

For the money, DV is the best deal for starting a CSM army of any kind.

If you plan on picking up the duo DV with your friend i recomend rolling chaos space marines then when you can you afford maulers/hounds/ youll already have cultists and marines for your daemonkin. Again this is just my opinion

You could Count-As the Chosen from DV as Possessed (they looked suitably demonic with all that extra detail on their sculpts). Cultists are always handy to have around, and the Helbrute is just OK.

What you'll want for Khorne Demonkin are the following:
Bloodthirster
Chaos Lord on Juggernaut/Bike
Chaos Bikers
Flesh Hounds
Soul Grinders
Maulerfiends (but only if you can saturate your list with other vehicles, ie more Maulerfiends, Rhinos or Soulgrinders)

 GoonBandito wrote:
You could Count-As the Chosen from DV as Possessed (they looked suitably demonic with all that extra detail on their sculpts). Cultists are always handy to have around, and the Helbrute is just OK.

What you'll want for Khorne Demonkin are the following:
Bloodthirster
Chaos Lord on Juggernaut/Bike
Chaos Bikers
Flesh Hounds
Soul Grinders
Maulerfiends (but only if you can saturate your list with other vehicles, ie more Maulerfiends, Rhinos or Soulgrinders)

I find that if you have anything, not just vehicles, kepeing up with the fiends they tend to live longer.

Another unit that gets often overlooked: Raptors.

Keep them at 5 men, add a pair of Flamers + Power maul & Melta bombs for the champ. For only 135pts, you have a unit that is very easy to Deep Strike into play due to it's small base print, and can turn any blob unit into a charred ruin.
The Power maul + Melta bombs means you can legitimately threaten MC's for a few wounds, (and then a Blood Tithe point when the unit gets squashed in return!), and/or pop even the hardest non-Super Heavy vehicle.

The only real problem is fitting a unit like this into your list if/when not using the Gorepack formation, as the Fast Attack slot is otherwise *really* crowded.

Overall though, you should always try to run the various Formations, as they make everything that much better!


As for building up your forces on the cheap, keep in mind that Flesh Hounds can easily be done using a couple boxes of the Chaos Warhound boxes from the Fantasy Chaos range. Just paint them in appropriate Khornate colours. You can easily get yourself 20 hounds for roughly the same cost as 5 of the actual Finecast versions.

Chaos warhounds or dire wolves for fleshhounds?

Experiment 626 wrote:
Another unit that gets often overlooked: Raptors.

Keep them at 5 men, add a pair of Flamers + Power maul & Melta bombs for the champ. For only 135pts, you have a unit that is very easy to Deep Strike into play due to it's small base print, and can turn any blob unit into a charred ruin.
The Power maul + Melta bombs means you can legitimately threaten MC's for a few wounds, (and then a Blood Tithe point when the unit gets squashed in return!), and/or pop even the hardest non-Super Heavy vehicle.

The only real problem is fitting a unit like this into your list if/when not using the Gorepack formation, as the Fast Attack slot is otherwise *really* crowded.

This.
Another good loadout for Raptors that I have had some success with is 2x Meltagun and Melta Bombs, with your choice of power weapon on the Champion (probably not the axe though). Good Deepstriking anti-tank unit that can, at least, be a very good "Distraction Carnifex".

I would like to recommend the following list. It is extremely effective and IMO very fun to play as it is highly mobile and gets right into your opponent's face. It also requires relatively few new models for you. There is some fat that can be trimmed to make a meaner list but it gives you less variety in the models you can use. For example I usually take bloodletters instead of zerkers or CSM but I have a large collection of daemons already so the finecast and prices are not a concern.

Here is my guide:

Step 1: Get Codex

Step 2: Look at units in Codex you like

Step 3: Buy a Chaos Lord

Step 4: Be with a gaming group that will let you proxy things for blood thirsters

Step 5: Buy Dark Vengeance

Step 6: Buy.... Paint your current army that you have just bought... Greedy git.... DONT paint chosen.

Step 7: Buy 2 boxes of 'zerkers and a box of blood letters.

Step 8: Buy a box of chaos spawn

Step 9: Use Chaosy bits to make chosen into possessed and with the rest of the bits throw them together and call them an extra chaos spawn

Step 10: MAUL... Again stop being hasty and paint your army.

Step 11: MAULERFIENDs, at least 2.

Step 12: Paint said 2 maulerfiends.

Step 13: Buy Chaos Warhounds-proxy as flesh hounds

Step 14: Buy 2 kits of bikers

Step 15: Paint everything up and play the game.

Greedy git?

 dragoonmaster101 wrote:

Step 10:Again stop being hasty and paint your army.

This is what I always have trouble with. I have gak loads of silver and grey...

You know what... I will converted 5 chosen to possessed. How do I do it without buying more kits like chaos spawn?

Mansur123 wrote:
You know what... I will converted 5 chosen to possessed. How do I do it without buying more kits like chaos spawn?

Greenstuff and a hobby knife.

That said, the possessed kit is a fantastic kit to own. Even if you never make them into possessed, the parts are perfectly compatable with all marine kits, allowing you to do up some seriously customized marines. A box of possessed and 2 boxes of chaos marines will get you 25 seriously awesome Chaos marines.

I have greenstuff tools but can you tell me how to do it more in depth about how to change the chosen to possessed?

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