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Bounding Assault Marine




Hello, I am a long time player of 40k and Fantasy and I have been considering getting into Warmahordes. After eleven years playing 40k I have decided to expand my horizons, especially with Warmachine being so prominent at my local gaming store. So while I’m new to Warmahordes I’m not new to wargaming in general.

I have done research before going into this, mostly on various forums and on Battle College website. I have a broad overview of how the game plays, what are the various factions and chiefly how it’s different from 40k. The faction that appeals most to me is Cygnar. I like the models, the colors and their fluff the most out of all the Warmachine factions I have looked over. I get the broad overview of how they play, combined arms, ranged weaponry and excellent access to Mercenaries.

I have been able to play a single demo game so far at my local store. A local Cygnar player let me borrow his miniatures while one of my 40k opponents who also plays Khador, helped me in a demo game at the 15pt level. It was a very interesting experience for me and I would like to look into it more. I am aware that this game has quite the steep learning curve, but I already expected that going into a new gaming system. When I was a newbie with 40k I lost repeatedly until I got the hang of how the game worked.

While planning to get into the game, I have been looking at the various starter options, namely Styker’s Battlebox. However multiple Warmachine players at my local gaming store have also recommended the Cygnar All-In-One Box as a good entry point into the game. I understand the All-In-One Box has a large discount as well as a mini-rulebook included. I am unsure though if this box would be worth it for a new player.

If anyone has any other advice it would be greatly appreciated.

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Tea-Kettle of Blood




First of all, welcome to the faction of freedom and democracy for all!

Next, your fellow players are correct, for someone wanting to enter into a faction the all-in-one box is the best option available since it not only comes with a pretty competitive list right of the bat, but it also brings some of the staple units for the faction and like you said, it has a pretty hefty discount from the RRP price and it already comes with the rulebook.

The only problem is that those boxes were a limited edition so finding one might be difficult.
   
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Tea-Kettle of Blood




Adelaide, South Australia

If you can find the all in one jump on it. You'll want to shrink down to a battlebox equivalent then gradually move up to the full 35 point list.

I'd also recommend grabbing some magnets as both heavy warjacks in the box can be made into multiple options.

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 Ailaros wrote:
You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.

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The Conquerer






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If you can find the all in one box, buy it. Its such a good deal for a newbie, you get practically half the stuff for free.

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Combat Jumping Ragik






I'd recommend getting the AiO as well. It's just such a good deal. You can drop it down to battle box level with siege & his 2 heavies and go up to 35 from there.

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Bounding Assault Marine




Well thank you for the replies. I was unsure about spending $130.00 on my entry point to the hobby, but from the sound of it it's an incredible deal. It should be pretty easy to acquire one, since my store has had at least two of those Army Boxes on the shelves ever since they got released.

I do plan to start playing at the battlebox level. I certainly don't have the experience or skill to be jumping right into 35pts just quite yet.

Does anyone have any particular advice concerning the list that comes in the Army Box? I know it has Siege as the warcaster, but are their any particular tactics to use with that list? At this point I am contemplating assembling the Avenger as a Centurion instead.
   
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Tea-Kettle of Blood




I don't have any particular advice regarding Siege since I still have him inside the blister that he came with, but I support your choice of building a Centurion instead of an Avenger because the Centurion is a more generalist jack and you'll use one in more lists.
   
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Combat Jumping Ragik






Magnetize your jacks! You can have all 3 well 6

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Auspicious Skink Shaman




Louth, Ireland

You need to learn combos and what each other caster/faction can do.

Also page 5 is used as an excuse to kerb-stomp so be warned.

 
   
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Been Around the Block




Also page 5 is used as an excuse to kerb-stomp so be warned.


I met more bell ends playing 40k than I have playing WMH. I played 40k for 10+ years vs. 4+ for WMH to be fair...

Do note that WMH is a proper competitive game, and not a mish mash of garbage involving "Forging a narrative" or other such excuse for badly designed and balanced rules.

Sorry, came across a bit anti 40k there, although the above quote was a bit uncalled for as well IMO...

Siege is a solid caster and definitely tourney worthy. The army box is a very good deal, IMO.

You need to learn combos and what each other caster/faction can do.


Your opponent should have cards for all his units in each game, so you can read up on what everything does. That said, some nasty tricks are hard to detect just reading the cards and you don't know what's about to happen until a Dire Troll has trampled 14" over your front line and beaten your caster to death with a massive club. That was learning the hard way... :(


Gaz

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Wraith






Salem, MA

 Soteks Prophet wrote:
You need to learn combos and what each other caster/faction can do.

Also page 5 is used as an excuse to kerb-stomp so be warned.


Please re-read page 5.

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Combat Jumping Ragik






Page 5 explicitly said it is NOT an excuse. But I think he is referring to how SOME people use it.

The only people I have seen who feel the need to actually quote it in games do so as an excuse.

I don't want to reopen the Gak storm that was last time I said this so to clarify:

I like Page 5, I think when ALL FIVE rules are followed it makes for a great environment.
I do not think people who follow page 5 are WAAC / TFG.
However, the only people I have seen (in real life and in my experience) who have ever felt the need to actually quote it at another player, have been knobs.
The problem is with the PEOPLE not the RULES and is in no way indicitive of all WM/H players.

The times I am talking about are curb stomping new players who are forgetting:
Rule 3 wrote: "There’s no honor in clobbering the smallest kid in the yard"


And the guy who list tailors because he knows what his opponent is bringing & custom tailors against it who is also forgetting rule 3 ":
Rule 3 wrote:, and there’s no pride to be won by blazing a path to the well for your fail-safe formula"


This instance a player said he wanted to test out a magic heavy Adeptis Rahn list, so the other player took Butcher 2 & doom reaver spam. Kind of a dick move to bring an army full of spell ward when you KNOW your opponent wants to test a magic army out.

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Longtime Dakkanaut




 Soteks Prophet wrote:

Also page 5 is used as an excuse to kerb-stomp so be warned.


Only if you're doing it wrong...

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Cosmic Joe





Not this again. When a page says specifically that wanting to win is not an excuse for being a donkey cave, I take it to mean that they don't want players acting like jerks.
Stop bringing your limited and isolated bad experiences here. I've never seen anyone quote it or use it as an excuse.

And thanks for derailing the thread.



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Monstrous Master Moulder




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In the 2 years since I have been playing I am yet to hear somebody quote page 5. Anyways back to the topic at hand.
   
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Bounding Assault Marine




Well I'm sure in every game store or gaming system you have people who are unpleasant to play against. I just learn to avoid those people.

Yes, I've often read that Warmachine relies on combos to bring victory. That seems interesting to me, especially from what little experience I got in my demo game. I have no doubt my first dozen or so games will be rough, but as I said I'm going in already expecting that.

How much ''point and click'' is there in Warmachine? I know 40k has it's share of blatantly overpowered codices when compared to lesser codices. I heard Warmachine places more reliance on player skill than overpowered units and that is something that appeals to me.

I'm afraid I have absolutely no experience with magnetizing either plastic or white metal models. If there some Warmachine resource or guide that might be helpful in that regard?
   
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Combat Jumping Ragik






Gree wrote:

How much ''point and click'' is there in Warmachine? I know 40k has it's share of blatantly overpowered codices when compared to lesser codices. I heard Warmachine places more reliance on player skill than overpowered units and that is something that appeals to me.

I'm afraid I have absolutely no experience with magnetizing either plastic or white metal models. If there some Warmachine resource or guide that might be helpful in that regard?


There isn't much point and click as far as powerbut there can be with strategy and that depends not on the faction but upon the list.

Butcher2 with doom reavers is pretty point & click, rush into melee as fast as possible & start killing. Then you have say old witch who relies more on combos & planning.

As for magnetizing the war store has awesome kits like [url=http://www.thewarstore.com/product67941.html]this[.url] It's as easy as drill 2 shallow holes, CHECK POLARITY, DOUBLE CHECK POLARITY, glue in two magnets, done.

as for the Pg 5 discussion I did not mean to derail it. I mean to say anyone who says things like Soteks Prophet said is NOT indicitive of the community as a whole and don't take it to heart.

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Tea-Kettle of Blood




Adelaide, South Australia

Gree wrote:
How much ''point and click'' is there in Warmachine? I know 40k has it's share of blatantly overpowered codices when compared to lesser codices. I heard Warmachine places more reliance on player skill than overpowered units and that is something that appeals to me.

I'm afraid I have absolutely no experience with magnetizing either plastic or white metal models. If there some Warmachine resource or guide that might be helpful in that regard?


Very little "point and click". Often the casters regarded as being very powerful require a lot of skill to bring out their full potential.

This should help with magnetising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDMjqzbS2Ag

 Ailaros wrote:
You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.

"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" 
   
 
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