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2015/07/28 07:30:44
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Sergeant
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Hi all
Today on Breakthrough Assault we have a sneak peak at the new Cold War Gone Hot book from Battlefront (out fall this year) Team Yankee.
Check it out here
Thanks Ben
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2015/07/28 14:09:04
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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wooohoo. Really looking forward to what they put out. Hoping that some plastic Hind gunships come my way. I've got my heart set on my first Cold War army being Air Guards.
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2015/07/28 14:29:09
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Grim Rune Priest in the Eye of the Storm
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Cool Team Yankee!
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2015/07/28 14:55:28
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Maryland
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Looks like the standard "We have weapons that can be fired for miles but let's get up close" images that Battlefront loves.
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2015/07/28 15:31:18
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Fixture of Dakka
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This fills me with inertia.
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2015/07/28 16:31:13
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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infinite_array wrote:
Looks like the standard "We have weapons that can be fired for miles but let's get up close" images that Battlefront loves.
LOL. I thought it was bad enough with the WW2 stuff. Oh well, guess having just one side blazing away at little specs wouldn't make for such epic box art.
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2015/07/28 17:01:23
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Wolf Guard Bodyguard in Terminator Armor
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However my old man (who was stationed around Germany in the 70's) was telling me about the fortifications we had around the boarder. If it went hot it would have got up close and personal for a few suicide teams.
I will be very tempted by this when they start on the Brits.
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2015/07/28 17:16:17
Subject: Re:Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Major
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I am going to pass,if i was to play a fictional cold war game it would be in 20mm and use Force on Force rules.I just dont like the way the models are based.
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2015/07/28 19:15:47
Subject: Re:Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Executing Exarch
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col. krazy kenny wrote:I am going to pass,if i was to play a fictional cold war game it would be in 20mm and use Force on Force rules.I just dont like the way the models are based.
The problem with Force on Force is that it has no points system. So it can't be used for pick-up games. I own it myself, and like the rules. But I know that it would never catch on at my local games store because of the points issue.
As for BF's CWGH - I've been hoping for this for a long time now. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do.
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2015/07/28 21:43:54
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Helpful Sophotect
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Congratulations Battlefront, you managed to pick the perfect name to immediately reduce my interest in that game to 0.
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2015/07/29 15:13:36
Subject: Re:Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Courageous Grand Master
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Agree with infinite on this one, with regard to box art.
The worst I've seen for this is the open fire box art, where you have a tank commander, backed up by a 76mm gun, hanging out the turret with a revolver
Looking forward to this Cold War lark. Wonder if we'll get PSC doing a T-55 box set? Automatically Appended Next Post: Edit
Just noticed the name Team Yankee! What the feth
No disrespect to the Americans, but what sort of half-ass name is that for a wargames expansion?
What's the rational behind it?
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd |
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2015/07/29 15:22:05
Subject: Re:Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Maryland
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Just noticed the name Team Yankee! What the feth No disrespect to the Americans, but what sort of half-ass name is that for a wargames expansion? What's the rational behind it? My guess is that it's a reference to the 1987 novel that featured a US armored company on the borders of Western Germany at the outset of WWIII in the late 1980's. Not a bad choice, actually. I tried reading the book, but I couldn't get into it. I'll have to try it again.
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2015/07/29 16:00:42
Subject: Re:Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Executing Exarch
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infinite_array wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Just noticed the name Team Yankee! What the feth
No disrespect to the Americans, but what sort of half-ass name is that for a wargames expansion?
What's the rational behind it?
My guess is that it's a reference to the 1987 novel that featured a US armored company on the borders of Western Germany at the outset of WWIII in the late 1980's. Not a bad choice, actually. I tried reading the book, but I couldn't get into it. I'll have to try it again.
Almost certainly. I haven't read the book myself, but apparently the author was an actual tanker, so he gets the details right. And there was apparently both a board and video game that used the name. In short, there's a pretty solid lineage attached to the name that connects with the subject matter that they want to cover.
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2015/07/29 17:10:19
Subject: Re:Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Courageous Grand Master
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Ah, so that's the reason? Makes sense, but still a lame name
I wonder what they'll do for tanks, because in Fate of the Nation, some of those Israeli tanks have an anti-tank rating of 57 or something and an armour rating of like 23
Given that some of the more advanced NATO and Warsaw pact tanks are mega up gunned and armoured compared to the 1967, will we need a new system for shooting at tanks?
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd |
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2015/07/29 17:14:17
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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This cover looks straight outta some 80s action flick, looks appropriate to me
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2015/07/29 18:44:14
Subject: Re:Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Executing Exarch
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Ah, so that's the reason? Makes sense, but still a lame name
I wonder what they'll do for tanks, because in Fate of the Nation, some of those Israeli tanks have an anti-tank rating of 57 or something and an armour rating of like 23
Given that some of the more advanced NATO and Warsaw pact tanks are mega up gunned and armoured compared to the 1967, will we need a new system for shooting at tanks?
There's a rumor floating around on the official forums that the CWGH rules will be different from the FoW rules. Further, even if the FoW rules are retained, there's no need to make the AT and armor values fully compatible with other FoW eras. They've done that so far with Vietnam and AIW, but there's no requirement for them to do so.
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2015/07/29 23:05:53
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.
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Still hoping they get around to covering the pacific.
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2015/07/30 00:26:18
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Lieutenant General
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They announced back in March that the Pacific is slated for December/January.
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2015/07/30 02:21:13
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
Wales: Where the Men are Men and the sheep are Scared.
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Awesome, thanks for sharing Ghaz.
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2015/07/30 04:25:30
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Not too interested if they're just going to treat Soviets like they've been doing, the same old EXTREME MODEL SALES way they have since WWII.
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2015/07/30 04:55:21
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Executing Exarch
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Vertrucio wrote:Not too interested if they're just going to treat Soviets like they've been doing, the same old EXTREME MODEL SALES way they have since WWII.
It's anyone's guess how they'll be treated. The post-WW2 armies that have been released so far that use Soviet equipment and tactics are notorious for their poor performance in battles. So it makes sense that they'd have rules to ensure that the units perform poorly. How the Soviets will be treated is still anyone's guess.
However, the "ten tank company" set-up will need to be followed, as that's how the Soviets were organized. It's not as if Battlefront can pretend that the Soviets suddenly started using fourteen-tank companies with four-tank platoons.
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2015/08/01 04:59:11
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Wicked Warp Spider
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My response is somewhat..."meh".
When they announced this earlier in the year, I was all for it. But, having skimmed the book and being unimpressed, I'm not really looking forward to seeing yet another mini game "based on (insert relatively obscure book/TV show/movie here)". Also, kind of odd to use a book that has "World War 3" only last IIRC about two weeks with nothing really gained or lost and no action outside of Europe (or, more specifically, Germany). In all honesty, I can't see how this is any better than using Red Dawn as a basis - at least that would have had a higher/more widespread popularity and it deals far better with allusions to a widespread global conflict.
And that cover art is just bad, like 40K-sword-wielding-commissar-in-a-tank bad.
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2015/08/01 05:52:21
Subject: Re:Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
The Great State of New Jersey
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Eumerin wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Ah, so that's the reason? Makes sense, but still a lame name
I wonder what they'll do for tanks, because in Fate of the Nation, some of those Israeli tanks have an anti-tank rating of 57 or something and an armour rating of like 23
Given that some of the more advanced NATO and Warsaw pact tanks are mega up gunned and armoured compared to the 1967, will we need a new system for shooting at tanks?
There's a rumor floating around on the official forums that the CWGH rules will be different from the FoW rules. Further, even if the FoW rules are retained, there's no need to make the AT and armor values fully compatible with other FoW eras. They've done that so far with Vietnam and AIW, but there's no requirement for them to do so.
Theres no requirement, but there is some incentive. People are more likely to throw money at Vietnam/Fate of a Nation/CWGH if the forces are cross-compatible. This is current the biggest barrier to entry for new players into the non-WW2 eras. In my group for example, there are 1-2 people interested in CWGH, 1-2 interested in Vietnam, and 1-2 interested in FoaN. Thats not really enough support for any of us to justify getting into any of the given games (though myself (Vietnam) and another guy (FoaN) figured that the forces would be balanced enough that we could play against eachother, so we're each starting a force from the respective books for small test games between us). BUT, if you make the 3 games capable of balanced play against one another, that suddenly all changes.
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2015/08/01 12:58:17
Subject: Re:Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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DIdnt one of good members already do this as home brew game. I know that after he started his some BF flunky took his idea and made theirs.
The one good thing for this is that QRF will see increased sales.
Here is his link.
http://stoppingtheredtide.blogspot.com/
I kinda miss him being on the FOrums i hope he is alrite and just got redeployed since it has been over a year.
I know are group has been wanting to a Cold war GAme but we were going to do ares on the Indian SUbcontinent /AFganistan-PAkistan and in 20mm, Sorry just getting burned out on the way the Infantry are based in FOW.
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2015/08/01 17:13:17
Subject: Re:Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Executing Exarch
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col. krazy kenny wrote:DIdnt one of good members already do this as home brew game. I know that after he started his some BF flunky took his idea and made theirs.
The one good thing for this is that QRF will see increased sales.
Here is his link.
http://stoppingtheredtide.blogspot.com/
I kinda miss him being on the FOrums i hope he is alrite and just got redeployed since it has been over a year.
I know are group has been wanting to a Cold war GAme but we were going to do ares on the Indian SUbcontinent /AFganistan-PAkistan and in 20mm, Sorry just getting burned out on the way the Infantry are based in FOW.
Stopping the Red Tide hasn't been updated in a very long time. And that was the case well before CWGH was announced. The owner of the site released a US-specific PDF, with indications that more nation specific PDFs would follow. But the follow-up never happened. I don't know why the creator stopped supporting it, but it's clear that he did. There's also the question of the reliability of his stats, as I don't know if there was any indication how he generated his armor values.
On the possibility of revising AT and Armor values, and what this might mean to compatibility with FoaN and Vietnam -
I think it's a smaller issue than you realize. Most of the vehicles that are in those books will also almost certainly be in Team Yankee. The M48 and Sheridan were still in use in 1985. While the Soviets probably didn't use the T-34 anymore (though they used the T-55, which was essentially identical to the T-54), the other members of the Warsaw Pact did. M113s were all over the place in Europe. That leaves the modified Shermans (which can be statted out based on the T-34), the Bulldog Walker (which would have to be kludged, unfortunately), and the AMX (another kludge).
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2015/08/01 21:34:00
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!
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Think the US were using M1 Abrahms and M60s in 1985... certainly no Shermans or M41 Walker Bulldogs in the US CENTAG inventory!
Odd they should show Soviet T72s.
CGF was T80s and T64s. Only T72s were with Allied WARPAC states. Im not entirely convinced CGF had any BMP2s in 1985.
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2015/08/01 22:39:57
Subject: Re:Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Executing Exarch
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The Soviets had T-72s in other regions. We don't know exactly which front or fronts BF intends to cover. They've mentioned the Fulda Gap, iirc, but they haven't ruled out covering other regions as well.
As for Walkers and Shermans, the lack of them in Europe is why I mentioned the need to kludge their stats (though as I mentioned above, Sherman hulls shouldn't be all that different stat-wise from T-34 hulls) for compatibility if Battlefront decides to revise the stats.
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2015/08/02 08:19:10
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!
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Which other Soviet Groups had T72s?
There are none in NGF or GSFG either.
For immediate European fighting I can only see the T72s on East German and Polish inventories for that period around central Europe though CSLA may have some in the south for the proposed thrust into CENTAG.
Unless you mean other regions outside Europe?
Be interesting to see how they treat Soviet and WARPAC forces given the changes in doctrine and equipment.
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2015/08/02 11:45:24
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Regular Dakkanaut
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My club are quite interested in this. Only catch is our potential Soviet players have expressed disinterest if it follows the WW2 route of needing 3 times as many models (Needing more models is ok as long as it doesn't get too many) and having unfun rules like Hens and Chickens (This is gets an instant "I won't play Soviets if they have this rule" response).
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2015/08/02 16:37:14
Subject: Flames of War Cold War Gone Hot - Revealed
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'm not history buff in any sense of the term, but did Soviet armour still follow the sort of H&C doctrine during the Cold War? I'm fairly certain it was being phased out as early as late WWII, thanks to better levels of training and more experienced crews, so would it still make some sort of historical sense?
In EW and MW FoW, it's largely fine, and perhaps even the early parts of LW, but still existing in CWGH would shout 'arbitrary handicap' unless there was still historical precedent, so I can understand players being put off the ruleset if that happened.
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