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Hello
before evryone starts raging at me if they play smurfs (ultramarines)
i am talking about matt ward making HIS army the best in the imperium and evryone saying "ZOMG SMURFS SOOOO KEWL" i am asking what people who think the wardian smurfs arent cool to say what they think needs to be done to make them cool again...

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Not play people that belittle your army?

Ultramarines have an excellent Chapter Tactic, possibly the best in the book. Combine that with the benefits of a Battle Company, and you are going to have a hard fight on your hands.

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All they need to be cool is for the internet hate train to find another target. It was cool to hate them for a while. And that’s mostly over. It’s just a lingering miasma now, just echoes of past hate. They are just as over the top as the other factions. But as the poster boys, they are an easy target. Ward fanboy-ism didn’t help. But that’s another hate train.

   
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smurfs arent cool because evryone says "oh there the best chapter and without them the imperium wouldnt be here!"

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wait wait wait. What is this "again" thing at the end of your statement? It implies that the Smurfs were cool at some point in time, which they weren't.

Seriously, all joking aside, they just need to stop being the perfect paragon posterboys.

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 Grey Templar wrote:


Seriously, all joking aside, they just need to stop being the perfect paragon posterboys.


Or at least actually live up to their reputation as Perfect paragon posterboys, instead of needing some other chapter's to defeat any enemy more formidable than 3 rippers.

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Easy, quit talking about them. GW needs to quit showcasing them as everything other space marines wished they were. Let them get beat once in awhile. Or again, simply shut up about them and show off other space marine chapters.

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smurfs were cool in rouge trader... sorta... in the days of rainbow warriors and... not wardian smurfs.

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Removing the Matt Ward element was the only way to redeem them.

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they do get beat in damnos... then return to damnos (sobs that even that was "fixed")
also. SPIRITUAL mother ing LIEGE.

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For what it's worth, the 6th edition Marine dex toned down the Ultramarines from "the best of all the spess muhreens" to moe of the "regular joe" marines. It goes from talking about their initial history, and how other chapters respect (NOT "venerate") Gulliman for what he did for the Imperiaum and the Codex Astartes, right to the First Tyrannic War, Cold Steel Ridge, and Marneus Calgar getting his ass kicked by the Swarmlord.

Matt Ward and his love for the ultrasmurfs was a product of 5th edition. In 6th and 7th edition, Ultramarines are just another chapter with their own unique history.

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Ultramarines have always been cool and continue to be cool. Forgeworld is making baller Ultramarine models, GW has a cool upgrade sprue, and the fluff is pretty much par for the course. Mat Ward hasn't worked at GW for a while now either.

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read the white dwarves... read them.
robin crudface himself said "the ultramarines are the chapter evry other space marine aspires to be. the ones that dont folow the codex is just a form of denial."
THIS ALON MAKES ME WANT TO *RIP AND TEAR*


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 Brother SRM wrote:
Ultramarines have always been cool and continue to be cool.
no. im sorry. your just wrong. smurfs are not cool and werent always cool. they havent been cool since 3rd edition i think. they are geedubs posterboys and evryone says theyre perfect. well all i have to say is...
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Make them less perfect and gone down the idea that they have the best This and the best That of all Space Marines. Make them lose. They went out of their way to make other chapters be less than perfect(DA, BA, IF) or underdogs(CF, BA again), they need something similar for the UM. Give them FLAWS that they need to overcome.

I know people hate the whole Forge a Narrative thing, but give your army a story, and make sure to make them realistic and not the Bestest of the Best.

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ahh so ultramarines aren't cool, and they are mary sues... meanwhile your favorite stuff did even more silly stuff?

I wish UM bashers would make up their minds.


thing about the Ultramarines is they're by the book exemplars. they're what, GW wants us to think of, when someone says "codex adherant space marines" (althouygh they do have their own things that make them stand out as unique, like every first founding chapter)

Personally for me I find the buy the book guys more intreasting, the guys who break all the rules, rules eistablished by milennia of practice and experiance, and somehow always manage to win, cause they're so special? That honestly kinda bores me. the Ultramarines though, they set the gold standard for everyone else. they're the paragon of Marines.the exemplars. that appeals to me for some reason. but others like the rebel chapters who work outside the lines. and I accept that. they're welcome to their wolfy wolf wolves or bloody blood bloods or whatever they have

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Ultramarines on the game table are actually amazing. They play absolutely wonderfully and have several top tier builds. I regularly like to play game wise with UM rules.

UM in the fiction are too annoying to be cool. They are that guy who make up a bunch of rules, lose, and then scream how they lost because X reason. Also they are constant going around telling people how they should run stuff...does that sound like anything resembling "cool". They are pretty much the most pedantic stick in the muds in the imperium.

Model wise they have a number of amusing and not cool design choices. The omega symbol used for UM has a very unfortunate similarity to a toilet...often with the toilet paper wrapped on top Their color scheme while being simple to paint and looking surprisingly good when done well also is easy to do poorly and looks like a smurf due to the unrelenting blue that washes out all model detail. UM models without dry brushing and inks look like blue blobbs to most people outside ~4 feet (ie the length of a board).

If all of this wasn't bad enough they also have tons of successor chapters. This means most of the good painters that want to play "UM" tend to gravitate off into a successor chapter. IMO this has lead to a severe lack of well painted UM armies. I have seen less that 1 in 20 UM that are painted to anything looking even decent. On the other hand DA, BA, GK, and SW are usually more like 1 in 5 or 1 in 10. Alot of it is the UM blue is just a bad color to show model detail until and unless the painter puts in real techniques and effort...actually a lot like their chapter tactics. Seems easy at first glance but actually requires finesse to do well.


   
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I have never had a problem with the Ultramarines. I've always thought they were the cool romanesque marines who were jacks of all trades and masters of none. Matt Ward did a crap job with the 5th edition Codex, sure, but that's something to sneer at Ward at for, not the Ultramarines. Anyone complaining about the Ultramarines in 7th edition is nursing a serious case of butthurt and/or edginess and they probably ought to get that checked out.

That said, Iron Hands and Salamanders are the coolest.

   
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 j31c3n wrote:
I have never had a problem with the Ultramarines. I've always thought they were the cool romanesque marines who were jacks of all trades and masters of none. Matt Ward did a crap job with the 5th edition Codex, sure, but that's something to sneer at Ward at for, not the Ultramarines. Anyone complaining about the Ultramarines in 7th edition is nursing a serious case of butthurt and/or edginess and they probably ought to get that checked out.

That said, Iron Hands and Salamanders are the coolest.
That's the problem. Their iconography and styling are incredibly awesome. But the whole "UM are what all SM strive to be but can never measure up" thing ruins all of it. I was close to choosing UM instead of CF when I got started, but that nonsense sealed the deal.

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See the HH - Ultramarines are cool in 007M31.

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Change their name. While I have no problems with a planet called ultramar, the name ultramarine is just too rediculious to take seriously. Blood angles come from baal, but they arnt called baalmarines. Just as an example.

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 Jayden63 wrote:
Change their name. While I have no problems with a planet called ultramar, the name ultramarine is just too rediculious to take seriously. Blood angles come from baal, but they arnt called baalmarines. Just as an example.


what came first ultramar or the ultramarines? serious question. you sure the realm didn't get it's name from it's rulers?

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Honestly I don't think there's really any way to make Ultrasmurfs in specific cool. Take away your spiritual liege and all you're left with is the default basic Space Marines. Vanilla. Normal. Plain.
If you don't like that, you'll probably never care for them.

When I first was getting into 40k I immediately dismissed the idea of playing Ultramarines because I thought everyone would hate me if I did. After hearing more about it I decided against it first because they didn't have their own Codex and second because I found them highly boring.

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 Jayden63 wrote:
Change their name. While I have no problems with a planet called ultramar, the name ultramarine is just too rediculious to take seriously. Blood angles come from baal, but they arnt called baalmarines. Just as an example.
it's almost as if Ultramarine is a color. It also just so happens to be the blue they paint their armor. It is more like calling the British army Redcoats.

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They do have a flaw, but it's the same many marines seem to possess - pride.

They're so proud of their Primarch, their realm and Chapter that they do make blunders at times. Like the 1st Company getting overrun by Tyranids because guns were running hot and ammo running out. No replacement barrels/guns and too little ammo? IN THEIR OWN FORTRESS ON THEIR OWN HOMEWORLD? And their fleet too would probably have been smashed if the Imperial Navy hadn't turned up in time. That's not a Chapter prepared for war, it's a Chapter that's been living on the legends of it's own greatness for generations.
   
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 SirDonlad wrote:
See the HH - Ultramarines are cool in 007M31.


I don't know. The HH books did a pretty good job of making them colossal donkey caves. So much that even Sicarus would have blushed.

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Spetulhu wrote:
They do have a flaw, but it's the same many marines seem to possess - pride.

They're so proud of their Primarch, their realm and Chapter that they do make blunders at times. Like the 1st Company getting overrun by Tyranids because guns were running hot and ammo running out. No replacement barrels/guns and too little ammo? IN THEIR OWN FORTRESS ON THEIR OWN HOMEWORLD? And their fleet too would probably have been smashed if the Imperial Navy hadn't turned up in time. That's not a Chapter prepared for war, it's a Chapter that's been living on the legends of it's own greatness for generations.

To the Ultramarines' credit, the 1st company didn't run out of ammunition because there wasn't enough in the polar fortresses, but because there were enough Tyranids to eat all the bullets they could shoot.

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Or that's just a chapter who wasted all of their ammunition on the first billion gaunts that behemoth threw at them. Thats not a blunder. But you may have a point, even tho this is also shared by many marines and make the ultras seem even more bland for sharing their weakness with many other chapters. I guess they are just to bland and perfect marines that I just cannot get on board with. It's much more interesting to have a dark secret or a rage you may succumb to at some point. Adds more flavor and makes the legion come to life.

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The coolest part is that they can boast 600+ chapters claiming Ultramarines heritage, and for that in reality keeps the other loyalist Legions in line, they can put the slapdown on them and they know it.

There is a saying "Without the Ultramarines the Empire is useless, without the Ultramarines the Empire is useless".


But still they are wussies living off the glories of others and doing bugger all themselves.

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IMO the Ultramarines don't need a "flaw." It's not necessary. They aren't the chapter that all other chapters aspire to be. That was just Ward being a fan and taking it too far.. It's not reflected in the newer fluff or the older fluff. Ultramarines are like Mario. Pretty good at everything. But you call someone else if you need a specialist. Jack of all trades, master of none.

   
 
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