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Hi and welcome to my first post here.

Please allow me to introduce myself as a person:
My name is Rijn van Dooren, built in 1986, on rock and roll. Born, raised and living in the Netherlands

Long time Warhammer Fantasy player, did some 40K for last 2 years and dabbled in Warmachine: Menoth when the first ruleset cam out. (a long while ago)
With the release of Age of Sigmar my model collection is worth nothing to me anymore as I don't see how that game will work if it goes on like this.

So now im looking for new challenges, Warmachine has always spoken to me, but my gaming buddies weren't too much into it when Warhammer was still around and good.
Now things have changed. There is at least 1 dude I can play against and we are learning and going for it. Me as Khador, him is Everblight.

And the introduction as a player:
In warhammer i always loved the empire but started with vampire counts, then tomb kings, then empire. I have painted so many models (for my standards) that I'm pretty done with painting (3 fully painted 4.5K, 2K and 2.5K armies is a lot to do,....)
Now my playstyle always revolved around combined arms, no real deathstar tactic and my armies had the intention of working together making synergy work and get and reach victory together! At least, thats always been my plan
With the spiritual killing off warhammer i´m planning on getting other stuff in my gamingplans, going more elite / lower modelcount. I thought to myself Khador could be nice for this. Leaning towards MoW and expensive jacks. Less models on the table and more impact per model.
For those into computer games and specificatlly street fighter, I'd like my army to play as Zangief. Being slow, steady, hard hitting when i hit something and "unkillable" but easy hit-able.
This is a totally different approach then alllll my previous 10 years of gaming and playstyle. But i really want to try it.

progress:
i have read the MK2? rulebook once (skipped some parts like cavalary which i dont use at the moment) and have played 3 games @ 15 points and 1 battlebox game.
going to read the big rulebook at least one more time within the next two weeks.

My thoughts/take on Khador;
Seeing my background I'm totally into the old witch an scrappy. I also bought them to play with (didnt use them yet) and have read some posts here on this forum.
Im liking the big jacks a lot (all of them) and trying to look for a heavy jack that really is hard to kill and deals out a lot of death and destruction and has some good synergies with my caster. (thinking about the spriggan stuff perhaps?)
My caster,.... gives me headaches. I have no clue whom to play. I read we can only probably fit in 2 jacks efficiently tops. I dont need 3, but if i can it would be great!
also heavily about taking the great bears as they seem good for MoW models with a lot of pro's and almost no con's
also, i love the smokescreen mechanic of the template placing and covering my armies advance (though eveblight doesnt care, im not throwing this out of the window).Or perhaps other mechanics that 'shield' my jacks from death and destruction.


So where i need your help in my journey
- what kind of caster would you recommend for me?
- with what jack?
- and why?

What you will receive in return in this blog;
- an army blog
- my experience
- pics of mediocre painted models

what i do not want
- negativity (its a hobby! have fun!)
- holding on to claimed weaknesses without having them tried yourself at least once in a good way. (just copying people that say 'the juggernaut isnt worth the pointcost' without even trying is not good to me )

so, if you have made it this far reading my post, be sure to drop a 'hello' so i can see you are intrested and following this. or perhaps even drop a few idea's to lead my to glory, for khador!
I see other posts of people starting khador. I also will be following them. But with all the forum posts and stuff i really like having a place for my own to post models and findings. if i mod's really have the need to split this up then its possible,.... please let me know.
Cheers,
Loempiaketzer


TL;DR
- played WHFB for 10 years
- wanting khador, dont know where to start
- no horde army-playstyle wanted, more 'elite' kind of stuff
- help/ideas are very appreciated.

Spriggan is the jack of choice if you aren't running any of the character jacks. It works well with every khador caster pretty much. Plus it looks boss.

Old Witch can be a really good caster too, but she's a little higher on the learning curve. And with WMH you really have to get the basics down first.

To start with, I would go with pSorscha, pVlad, or pButcher. Any of these guys will work well with a Spriggan.

Other things you want to get as the core of any good khador force,

Winterguard Infantry with UA, and Kovnik Joe(a solo). This is the famous Winterguard Death star.

Widow makers and a widow maker marksman. Another nice module that provides good spot removal.

Ironfang pikemen with either Black Dragon or regular UA and an Ironfang Kovnik solo. A durable and fast moving group that also hits hard.

loempiaketzer wrote:

loempiaketzer wrote:

Hi and welcome to my first post here.

Please allow me to introduce myself as a person:
My name is Rijn van Dooren, built in 1986, on rock and roll. Born, raised and living in the Netherlands

Long time Warhammer Fantasy player, did some 40K for last 2 years and dabbled in Warmachine: Menoth when the first ruleset cam out. (a long while ago)
With the release of Age of Sigmar my model collection is worth nothing to me anymore as I don't see how that game will work if it goes on like this.

Hello Rijn, and welcome (back) to warmachine. Don’t forget your complimentary goggles and juggernaut plushie! Its nice to see some Dutch players (I’m only half dutch though L)

loempiaketzer wrote:

So now im looking for new challenges, Warmachine has always spoken to me, but my gaming buddies weren't too much into it when Warhammer was still around and good.
Now things have changed. There is at least 1 dude I can play against and we are learning and going for it. Me as Khador, him is Everblight.

Seems there are more than a few refugees from Warhammer fantasy. Well, there’s plenty space in the iron kingdoms – you might have to kill some dire trolls or dragon spawn to make space though

loempiaketzer wrote:

Now my playstyle always revolved around combined arms, no real deathstar tactic and my armies had the intention of working together making synergy work and get and reach victory together! At least, thats always been my plan

This is warmachine in a nutshell.

loempiaketzer wrote:

With the spiritual killing off warhammer i´m planning on getting other stuff in my gamingplans, going more elite / lower modelcount. I thought to myself Khador could be nice for this. Leaning towards MoW and expensive jacks. Less models on the table and more impact per model.
For those into computer games and specificatlly street fighter, I'd like my army to play as Zangief. Being slow, steady, hard hitting when i hit something and "unkillable" but easy hit-able.
This is a totally different approach then alllll my previous 10 years of gaming and playstyle. But i really want to try it.

I’ll warn you right now, because you seem to have some misconceptions. Elite/lower model count is not necessarily a khador thing. To be fair, elite/low model count can be achieved by any faction with the right builds. Its arguably more of a Hordes thing than a warmachine thing with Hordes’ emphasis on the battlegroup and focus on warbeasts – warmachine factions tend to focus on one or two big hitters and a solid backbone of infantry. Khador epitomises this, and is often seen as a ‘dudespam’ faction. Its not necessarily a ‘horde’ like you’d remember from tyranids or orks, but Khador definitely tends to run very infantry heavy. Leaning towards MoW and Jacks is a mistake. Men o War are one of the few howlers from privateer press. They’re slow, over priced and don’t do enough. In terms of all the heavy infantry options in the game, they’re probably the worst. Outside of specific and niche builds (epic Irusk) I would advise away from them. Similarly, khador is not a ‘jack faction’, they are a ‘a jack’ faction, and most lists will tend to field one, maybe two jacks. If you want heavy infantry or jacks, you’d be better off looking into other factions as Khador’s strength is its (numerous) small based infantry.

Similarly, slow, hard hitting but ‘unkillable’ is a huge misconception. Khador are neither slow, nor unkillable. Nothing in this game is unkillable. There is no 2+ re-rollable invulnerable saves. If you imagine a pendulum swinging between ‘surviveability’ and ‘damage output’, privateer press games as a whole swing massively towards ‘damage output’. Expect your jacks and your infantry to die, and to die often. Getting into this game expecting an army where all the damage bounces off is opening you up to massive disappointment.

loempiaketzer wrote:

progress:
i have read the MK2? rulebook once (skipped some parts like cavalary which i dont use at the moment) and have played 3 games @ 15 points and 1 battlebox game.
going to read the big rulebook at least one more time within the next two weeks.

Play more games. J

loempiaketzer wrote:

My thoughts/take on Khador;
Seeing my background I'm totally into the old witch an scrappy. I also bought them to play with (didnt use them yet) and have read some posts here on this forum.
Im liking the big jacks a lot (all of them) and trying to look for a heavy jack that really is hard to kill and deals out a lot of death and destruction and has some good synergies with my caster. (thinking about the spriggan stuff perhaps?)

Like I said, nothing is really hard to kill, but spriggans are good investments. In terms of damage output, that’s a general khadoran thing, but look at Ruin and Beast if you want to turn it up to 11.

loempiaketzer wrote:

My caster,.... gives me headaches. I have no clue whom to play. I read we can only probably fit in 2 jacks efficiently tops. I dont need 3, but if i can it would be great!

They’re all solid. Personally, I’d look at the Butchers, Sorschas, Irusks or vlads as a start. Butcher1 Sorscha1 and Irusk1 are easy to get a handle on and have straight forward game plays.

loempiaketzer wrote:

also heavily about taking the great bears as they seem good for MoW models with a lot of pro's and almost no con's

they’re quite easy to kill. That’s a con! They’re only three models, and they have a massive ‘priority target’ label on them. They’re a great unit, but they’re a second wave unit. You need a tarpit ahead of them.

loempiaketzer wrote:

also, i love the smokescreen mechanic of the template placing and covering my armies advance (though eveblight doesnt care, im not throwing this out of the window).Or perhaps other mechanics that 'shield' my jacks from death and destruction.

you’re getting it. The khador jack should be run in the second wave and treated as ‘concentrated force’. Its like a tank, and tanks need infantry support up front. So screen them with a wave of infantry, like iron fang pikemen, or winter guard. If you like smokescreens, look into the greylord ternion as they can drop cloud effects on their mates that are quite useful.

loempiaketzer wrote:

So where i need your help in my journey
- what kind of caster would you recommend for me?
- with what jack?
- and why?

See above. Everything can be built into an effective, game winning strategy, but if you are looking for starting tools, the Irusks, Sorschas, Butchers and Vlads are solid. Fir infantry, look to Iron Fangs, widowmakers, greylord ternions and winter guard as a good starting point. For jacks, it really all depends. I like the Spriggan and the soon to be released grolar. I think juggernauts are great, and very cheap beatsticks. I have a soft spot for the Kodiak. Character jacks are generally great. Ragers look to be very useful. If you are asking for ‘just one’, id say the spriggan and a juggernaut. They’re solid alrounders and one offers a lot of versatility, the other offers massive hard hitting damage output.

To be honest, If you’re starting, stick with the battleboxes and build up slowly. There is no point jumping in at the deep end.

loempiaketzer wrote:

What you will receive in return in this blog;
- an army blog
- my experience
- pics of mediocre painted models http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif

You insult every true khadoran, komrade. Our patriotism is our reward! Our service is our duty. The only thing you should be offering us is Victory in the name of our motherland and the heads of our enemies lining the roads as we march southwards to Caspia!

loempiaketzer wrote:

what i do not want
- negativity (its a hobby! have fun!)
- holding on to claimed weaknesses without having them tried yourself at least once in a good way. (just copying people that say 'the juggernaut isnt worth the pointcost' without even trying is not good to me http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/a/6d3c0a908a3861135dfaebde91c0ecf6.gif)

I’ve played khador since Mk2 dropped.

loempiaketzer wrote:

so, if you have made it this far reading my post, be sure to drop a 'hello' so i can see you are intrested and following this. or perhaps even drop a few idea's to lead my to glory, for khador!
I see other posts of people starting khador. I also will be following them. But with all the forum posts and stuff i really like having a place for my own to post models and findings. if i mod's really have the need to split this up then its possible,.... please let me know.
Cheers,
Loempiaketzer

Keep us posted with your progress! J

thanks for your thourough replies!
it appreciated a lot.

for this reply i am sure to get our beloved motherland the victories it deserves!!!
and i am sure to post my painted/semi done models somewhere in the near future to get the juices flowing.

i will most certainly think about the input you guys have posted.
thanks!
until next time!
BR
Loempiaketzer

Yea, what has been said so far is some great advice. I have been playing Khador since MK I, drifted to other factions but always came back. We have some great options in this faction. BattleBox is the best way to start. The Juggernaut is solid and can make it's way into a lot of lists. The Destroyer is pretty good but not my favorite. Still, it is very usable though. Before buying more Warjacks though, no real point right now because you are only going to be using just one or two.

I would look into our great infantry, start with some of the essentials.spellsmakers, Greylord Ternion, I would think about Iron Fang Pikemen too. Those are a solid way to start. Battle Mechanics and a War Dog are never a bad option either. After learning with what you have and adding some of those, we also have some great in fantion support. The Koldun Lord is never bad, I never even use him as a Jack Marshall, his Power Booster action is great for those first couple turn runs, his magical spray, and lightening that Focus load of your Warcaster, our Casters are very hungry and any way you can save focus to able able to cast our great infantry support spells and upkeeps to get your guys really rolling. We are anything but slow, but need some speed buffs to truly be frightening.

There also some good Mercenaries I would think about too, Gorman DiWulfe, Lady Aiyana and Master Holt, either Eiryss as well. Also talking about saving Focus, Sylys is a great option too, in a faction with only one Arc Node, we play closer to the front. He can help save Focus, boost the range of our spells, and improve our chances of hitting with spells as well.

From there I would start looking at new Warjacks, Warcasters to change it up and some of our more specialty units.

Well. Hopefully that helped somewhat, welcome to the world of Warmachine and Hordes. And the Motherland always welcomes new comrades.