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I have a regular opponent that refuses to read rules, complains when I move a unit in such a way that he would know was legal if he had read the rules. After doing the move he acts sour the rest of game like I've cheated him in some way.

I don't mind teaching games but this is our 10th game of the system(Kings of War) and I feel its a pretty easy game to learn. I've also provided him with his own set of free rules. I was just wondering if anyone else has any good stories about frustrating opponents.

You weren't asking for advice, but the best way to deal with it is to just be straight with him. "Look, you're making an issue out of playing the game when I do nothing wrong, and it's really starting to get frustrating. Can you please-?" however you want to resolve it.

Don't play him. In my book, no gaming is preferable to bad gaming. It's not worth the hassle, stress and acrimonious fallout

Edit: Missed your last sentence. We've long needed a new horror stories thread. I don't have many to share. Recommend you update the title to "Share your [horror] stories about frustrations with opponents" or some variation of.

so, I've been "helping" a buddy with his armies fluff and learning the rules, it's a lot but here is a brief run through:
1) Space wolf successors who were touched by the warp so they are all wolfen, but they are also coherent, and are somehow on good relations with the rest of the imperium
2) They recruit from Catachan

3) Only after our 6th or 7th game together, I finally figured out why I kept winning: He had no troop choices, only elites
4) I found out at the same time that he never knew the point costs for units, upgrades, and the like.
5) When I sat down with him to help him learn how to right lists, he accused me of cheating when I said you had to pay points per new marine in his grey hunters, and only the first 5 were counted in the base point cost.
6) He doesn't own a tape measure, and refuses to buy one
7) He has no understanding on why I get pissed when he brings up his year long celibacy to people he just met and 14 year-olds, and drags me into the conversation.
8) He has accused me of list tailoring after he "built" his list based on what I had sitting on the table, before I chose my list
9) He constantly smells like weed, and brings up drugs whenever he gets the chance.
10) Takes constant smoke breaks, at least 1 after every one of his turns
11) He refuses to read the rulebook, even after I gave him a spare one from the starter set.
12) He always (though may be from lack of reading rulebook) tries to assault from deep strike, run his thousand sons, assault while swooping a daemon prince, the list goes on
13) (different guy) says that my 30k legion is OP because his 5 knight, all 4 assassin list hasn't beaten me in 3 games. Ignoring that he has 9 models vs. my ~80-90 in a 3k point list. he is now demanding a 25% point increase for him when we fight. All because my bolter marines kill his assassins, and my 2 10-man squads with melta bombs can kill his knights. Am I missing something here?
14) same guy as #13 is super vulgar in stores, mind you, I swear like a sailor, but there is a time and a place, and I don't shout "feth" across the store while it's packed.
15) same guy as above called my Primarch OP (he let me and knew I was bringing one) when I killed 5 terminators in assault, with an ap 2 weapon.
16) While calling my Primarch OP, he 1-shotted it with a stomp, and rubbed my face in it the rest of the night
17) He gets skulk-y when I kill 1 of his knights.

I have more (1 or 2 different people), but this is already a wall of text, I'll post them after someone else gets a turn .

Updated thread title and man I couldn't stop laughing when I read he refuses to buy a tape measure.

I have some more, some funny, some just annoying, and some, *shudder*
1) He tries to play with people still learning, and calls them liars when they read straight from the book
2) He has merged the space marine and space wolf books into one. not allies, not detachements or formations, but all just 1 big book
3) There is this local player (3rd person) who only plays the flavor of the month net list. His last one was vraks zombie spam with unending horde, or whatever the "comes back" rule is, and the one before that was space wolf + GK purifiers in drop pods, Warp charge abuse (he called it fluffy)
4) This guy loves forgery world and china cast, saying that it's always better than FW, and trying to price it as such when he sells it off
5) He likes to make people leave the hobby, and wears people he's made leave like badges
6) He has said he can't see why people would every play a 30k legion other than iron hands, because -1 incoming strength is so good. (he is like this for all armies: "Why would you ever not only use the best X or Y")


That's all I can remember right now, I hope other people hop on soon, I love getting a laugh from these

I'm sure we all have stories. Frustrations with 'regular' opponents is a different matter.

Thankfully I like all of the individuals that I regularly game with, but yes, there are still some minor frustrations.

For example, one individual who is albeit a delight to play with, doesn't own any of the books. No rulebook, no codex's, nothing... All PDF's on his laptop. This frustrates the hell out of me. I make the occasional snarky comment about it, but I know it'll never change.

Everybody has horrible games and moments when your sportmanship was lacking. That said this is a hobby and I'm not obligated to play anyone I don't want to. If they can't get their act together by the second game, then there will never be a third.

I run a Dungeons and Dragons world.

Things are going well despite the month and a half respite in the middles of a campaign as people where away.
However a really good (one of my two best) friend wants to join. I asked him what he wanted to play (he is a fellow anime fan BTW). His answer?

A Dragon.

"No"

Okay, but what about a guy whom can transform into a Dragon when he shouts 'Balance Break'! (yes, we are both Highschool DXD fans)

"No"

Well.... A Dragon hybrid then?

"Half Dragons? They are a race but no, not for your first character and not at first level"

The Red dragon Emperor?

"Goddam it no anime ripoffs in my game"

Well what about the Heavenly White Dragon Emperor? After all there isnt technically one of those yet.

"NO DRAGONS! AT ALL DAMN IT!"

So far I have gotten him down to a duel wielding character. Now just to get rid of the damn black trenchcoat (Kirito from Sword art Online) and we have a workable character idea to go from.

NO GODAMN ANIME RIP OFFS IN MY GAME!
lol XD +1d


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My horror story is my brother. He argues with me about everything(says my thunderfire cannons with LOS dont subtract BS from scatter dice) calls anything i do cheezy (when his list is 4 riptides 7 misslesides) and then told me my rhino rules that lets them start moving again was "CHEETZ broken wtf you just play SM because they have that broken rule HAX!"

People who say "Well if you want to play it that way" when you point out that what they are doing is shall we say requiring a flexible reading of the rules, possibly the rules of a different game, using a different measurement system, and possibly different dice.

Well geee yes I would like to play it that way, since thats the way its played.

Grinds more when on your turn its obvious they know the rules, to the letter, and yes they would like you to play by them (not a problem in itself, its just then pleading ignorance a few minutes later grinds).

Thankfully only someone at tournaments, and thankfully only ever faced this individual once, have been on neighbouring tables where his opponent has had the patience and self control of a saint.

 oni wrote:
I'm sure we all have stories. Frustrations with 'regular' opponents is a different matter.

Thankfully I like all of the individuals that I regularly game with, but yes, there are still some minor frustrations.

For example, one individual who is albeit a delight to play with, doesn't own any of the books. No rulebook, no codex's, nothing... All PDF's on his laptop. This frustrates the hell out of me. I make the occasional snarky comment about it, but I know it'll never change.

I'm guilty of this only with the Infinity rulebook since it would be a monster to print out. I have noticed this to be a newer trend. Almost everyone in my gaming group has something on their tablet or phones that they use as a game aid. It can get annoying waiting for them to scroll through 200 pdf pages to find a rule they are trying to show you.

 Hückleberry wrote:

 oni wrote:
I'm sure we all have stories. Frustrations with 'regular' opponents is a different matter.

Thankfully I like all of the individuals that I regularly game with, but yes, there are still some minor frustrations.

For example, one individual who is albeit a delight to play with, doesn't own any of the books. No rulebook, no codex's, nothing... All PDF's on his laptop. This frustrates the hell out of me. I make the occasional snarky comment about it, but I know it'll never change.

I'm guilty of this only with the Infinity rulebook since it would be a monster to print out. I have noticed this to be a newer trend. Almost everyone in my gaming group has something on their tablet or phones that they use as a game aid. It can get annoying waiting for them to scroll through 200 pdf pages to find a rule they are trying to show you.

I'm curious about this one since I've got a vast library of PDFs for references etc.

I was wondering what would be frustrating about using a laptop as a gaming aid?

Is it just the time taken to scroll through PDFs?

Would it be good table etiquette to pre-bookmark stuff you're going to use during a game?

 Crankpin wrote:

 Hückleberry wrote:

 oni wrote:
I'm sure we all have stories. Frustrations with 'regular' opponents is a different matter.

Thankfully I like all of the individuals that I regularly game with, but yes, there are still some minor frustrations.

For example, one individual who is albeit a delight to play with, doesn't own any of the books. No rulebook, no codex's, nothing... All PDF's on his laptop. This frustrates the hell out of me. I make the occasional snarky comment about it, but I know it'll never change.

I'm guilty of this only with the Infinity rulebook since it would be a monster to print out. I have noticed this to be a newer trend. Almost everyone in my gaming group has something on their tablet or phones that they use as a game aid. It can get annoying waiting for them to scroll through 200 pdf pages to find a rule they are trying to show you.

I'm curious about this one since I've got a vast library of PDFs for references etc.

I was wondering what would be frustrating about using a laptop as a gaming aid?

Is it just the time taken to scroll through PDFs?

Would it be good table etiquette to pre-bookmark stuff you're going to use during a game?

For me, the biggest frustration is that the literature is all pirated, but yes, the endless scrolling is also very annoying. I don't mind legit digital aids, but IMO they're all kind of clunky. A printed book is quicker and more elegant.

 master of ordinance wrote:
I run a Dungeons and Dragons world.

Things are going well despite the month and a half respite in the middles of a campaign as people where away.
However a really good (one of my two best) friend wants to join. I asked him what he wanted to play (he is a fellow anime fan BTW). His answer?

A Dragon.

"No"

[snip]

Couldn't he just play a Dragonborn? Humanoid lizards that breath fire. What more could he want?

As for myself...my frustration with "regular" opponents is that they never bother to turn up at the club. Seriously, I just joined a small but very local club (in my own town, a 5 min drive from where I live, vs the nearest clubs in other towns at 30 and 50 min drives away on busy roads prone to congestion. When I joined about 3 months ago, there were around 5 - 10 people attending weekly, with another 10 or so people dropping in from time to time. But now the attendance has dropped off a cliff and for the last two weeks it was just me and the guy who runs the club.

If someone's frustrating enough to give me a horror story, I make a point not to have them be a regular opponent.

Not sure if This counts as a horror story, as I headed it off at the pass before it became an issue, but years ago when I played MechWarrior (cliky tech) I went to one of the local shops who was hosting the weekly tourney ( The one where you won free special edition minis).As I was playing my first game, there was this player who I've known for years and was friendly with, however hes a whiner, loud, and annoying. The whole game hes badgering his opponent, complaining, rules lawyering, and being a complete annoying ass. Next game comes up and we shift down for round two, and I'm playing him. I reached over the table and shook his hand, greeted him by name, asked how he was, and them politely told him that if he tried talking to me like he did that other guy, I would punch him in the face. We actually had a pleasant, enjoyable and tactically challenging game.

Raven911 wrote:
Not sure if This counts as a horror story, as I headed it off at the pass before it became an issue, but years ago when I played MechWarrior (cliky tech) I went to one of the local shops who was hosting the weekly tourney ( The one where you won free special edition minis).As I was playing my first game, there was this player who I've known for years and was friendly with, however hes a whiner, loud, and annoying. The whole game hes badgering his opponent, complaining, rules lawyering, and being a complete annoying ass. Next game comes up and we shift down for round two, and I'm playing him. I reached over the table and shook his hand, greeted him by name, asked how he was, and them politely told him that if he tried talking to me like he did that other guy, I would punch him in the face. We actually had a pleasant, enjoyable and tactically challenging game.

Exalted

The likelihood of someone becoming a regular opponent for me is directly related to how much fun I had playing the game.

I couldn't care less about winning. (I take that back. I do care... but I'd rather lose to a fun opponent than beat the tar out of an unfun one.) I'm there to do something I enjoy. Suck the enjoyment out of it by being whiny, grumpy, cheating, etc. and I simply will not play you again.

Well with this particular opponent once we have been playing the same game regularly he is actually a really fun opponent. I guess I just find his "breaking in period" the frustrating part.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
I run a Dungeons and Dragons world.

Things are going well despite the month and a half respite in the middles of a campaign as people where away.
However a really good (one of my two best) friend wants to join. I asked him what he wanted to play (he is a fellow anime fan BTW). His answer?

A Dragon.

"No"

[snip]

Couldn't he just play a Dragonborn? Humanoid lizards that breath fire. What more could he want?

As for myself...my frustration with "regular" opponents is that they never bother to turn up at the club. Seriously, I just joined a small but very local club (in my own town, a 5 min drive from where I live, vs the nearest clubs in other towns at 30 and 50 min drives away on busy roads prone to congestion. When I joined about 3 months ago, there were around 5 - 10 people attending weekly, with another 10 or so people dropping in from time to time. But now the attendance has dropped off a cliff and for the last two weeks it was just me and the guy who runs the club.

3rd edition, we have Half Dragons. However as this is his first character and his first time playing Dungeons and Dragons and the party is currently at level 1 I am trying to keep things basic, especially as there are several newbies in the group.

 Brennonjw wrote:

14) same guy as #13 is super vulgar in stores, mind you, I swear like a sailor, but there is a time and a place, and I don't shout "feth" across the store while it's packed.

Sounds a bit like a guy at a nearby club. I don't stand around, wide-eyed and ashen-faced, when a few f-bombs drop (I guess I like to think of wargaming as a quiet, genteel, pottering-about pursuit, though); but this guy took some special, almost exhibitionist delight in making most of his off- and online utterances as four-lettered, graphic, extended, and loud as possible. Sometimes accompanied by missiles in the form of dice zipping past your ear and clattering off the wall. It was hard to listen to.

In addition, out of the 5-6 regular members that the club dwindled to (gee...) there was also the 'evangelical atheist' - who couldn't stop banging on whenever the opportunity arose, and more often when it didn't - and the 'dirty old man' - nice guy in the gaming room, into his naval games, but got a bit imaginative (like the first guy) when we ventured outside where the other half of the population happened to exist, and dared to do provocative things like 'be young enough to be his granddaughter' and 'stand around waiting for a lift'. Jack Hackett is less funny in real life.
Says something when the least irritating guy in the club is the aging communist.

I don't go there very often, anymore.

Luckily we don't really have any annoying people at the club, most are very pleasant both in-game and out

One of the last 'ard Boys'

There was a guys who was constantly rules lawyering, and not in a way to be helpful, oh no. This guys would stop his game to argue with the neighboring table on how they were both wrong and needed to get thier facts straight and learn the rules better.

Mind you this guy came from out of town, from a major city to play here with the intention of rolling everybody. His own words, he even eloborated, because us small town players really are subpar at Warhammer Fantasy. Yeah, you know we don't have internet and mail/delivery trucks have issues find our smalltown. <sarchasm>

After first round and arguing with 2 other tables, he rolls by a table to see they are having a slight; and I mean slight rules problem nothing major, and he goes into a caffine fueled sermon about how it should go. Next, he starts offering tactical advice to one of them, at this point the other player tells him "stop move on", "keep your tactic to yourself", "we never asked for your opinion". he was 'I'm just trying to help', I thought he was getting laid out right there. They argued for a few minutes more until TO comes over and tells him to stop and leave the other players alone.

It comes down to the 3rd game he is playing for 1st place. My turn two ends, him and his opponent (a good friend) are still on turn 1. The arguement has gone from annoyance to barking and borderline hostile. The TO breaks it up tells them to split for 5 minutes to calm down, he refused because of the time limit involved, but doesn't matter my friend walks off and comes back after calming down. Mind you my friend has won multiple best sportsmen awards or has come close several others at major events, too get him worked up takes alot. Apparently, the guy made a tactical error and decide to argue: charging rules, with LOS, with a smattering of wheeling. it doesn't stop there he keeps going and nagging and twisting rules form previous editions trying to wi but its not going well. He ends up drawing with my friend. Now here is where it gets stupider (yeah I said it stupider) The next table over ends in a Maccare. The player there ended up with Best General, 2nd place is called and its my friend, all hell breaks loose and he goes ballistic and demands to know his points, the Best General's and my friends. His right to see them of course, and then he sees his sportsmanship score. We're are feth rearends etc. etc.

As he storms out of the place one of the older guys openly comments for him to here "wow he sucks the life out of a room".

Which was true during the 1st game the entire place was loud with lots of laughing, after TO talks to him round 2 we're muttering quietly. Then by the end it was silence. All because he couldn't keep his opinion to hiself, mostly people started to whisper, so not to get his attention.

Fun Guy