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Hello, I am fairly new to the game and dont have much experience actually playing it. However, I have been collecting models and painting them since May 2015. I am going to be playing my buddy a lot who plays eldar. He uses the aspect host, serpents, Spiders, war walkers, and 1 wraithlord. Thankfully he hasn't gotten his hands on any wraithknight/guard/scatbikes yet, as I hear they are very strong! I have come up with a few lists to try and combat him, and was hoping you guys could give me some advice on which list is best for the job, or even a better tournament list.

List 1 - White Scars - 1850
CAD
Kor'Sarro Khan (Moondrakken, Moonfang) - 150
Chapter Master ( Artificer ,Shield Eternal, Relic Blade, Bike, Auspex) - 245

Command Squad (bikes, Apothecary, 3 storm shields, 4 grav guns) - 230

Bike Squad (5) (2 grav, combi grav) - 145
Bike Squad (3) (2 melta, combi melta + (1) Attack Bike w/ Multi Melta) - 143

Drop Pod (Storm Bolter) - 35

Centurion Devs (3 x Grav/amps, Omniscope) 250
Relic Sicaran Battle Tank (Amoured Ceramite, Lascannon sponson, Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter, Schism of Mars) - 220

Librarius Conclave
3 x Librarians (ML2, Force Sword, Bike) - 330

Inquisition
Coteaz - 100

Conclave/Both HQs go with the command squad to become a death star of sorts. Coteaz goes with the dev cents in the DP. Im not sure how the 5 man bike squad will do, or the 3 man w/ attack bike.


List 2 - DraigoKnight Star - 1850

CAD - UltraMarines
Chief Librarian Tigurius

2 x 5 man tac squads (melta gun, combi melta, Drop Pod)

Centurion Dev x 3 (omniscope, hurricane bolter)

Allied Detachment
Sevrin Loth

5 scouts (boltguns)

Nemesis Strike Force
Librarian (ML3, Nemesis Staff, Psychic hood, terminator armor)

5 man strike squad (storm bolters/swords)

Draigo

Knight Detachment
Knight Paladin - Rapid Fire Battle Cannon, Melta, Reaper CS, Stormspear Rockets

From what I understand...All the Libs/Hqs are together with the Centurions using draigo to move around the board w/ stealth. I have coteaz, but where can i fit him in here??

List 3 - UM/NSF/Knight - 1850

CAD - UltraMarines
Chief Librarian Tigurius

2 x 5 man tac squads (melta gun, combi melta, Drop Pod)

Drop Pod

Centurion Dev x 3 (omniscope, hurricane bolter)
Relic Sicaran Battle Tank (Amoured Ceramite, Lascannon sponson, Hull Mounted Heavy Bolter, Schism of Mars)

Knight Detachment
Knight Paladin - Rapid Fire Battle Cannon, Melta, Reaper CS, Stormspear Rockets

Nemesis Strike Force
Librarian (ML3, Nemesis Staff, Psychic hood, terminator armor)

5 man strike squad (storm bolters/swords)

Nemesis Dreadknight (Nemesis DH/ Powerfist, Heavy Incinerator, Personal Releporter)

Inquisition
Coteaz


All advice would be awesome!

Generally, lists 2 and 3 aren't legal for most U.S. Tournaments (ITC, NOVA) as they have 3 detachment limits. That said, different areas have different scenes. For someone still relatively new to the game I would advise trying out some mixes of your lists to find what best suits your play and makes for good, competitive, fun games with your buddy.

I generally like list 1, but it lacks a bit of punch against vehicles - Serpents will be annoying, though you can still doe them with weight of grav and the sicaran. Would suggest giving the chapter master a power fist to get some high strength deterrent in your star.

In any list, have a librarian (Tiggy) go with the GravCrew, granting them Perfect Timing. Otherwise, your opponent will deploy in cover dampening the GravGuns' effectiveness.

thanks for the replies. I like the 1st list, but it is true that my only good way of dealing with the WS's is my sicaran. This is why I was leaning towards the list with the drop pods (5 man 2x meltas), since I can just drop behind them and hit the 10 armor w/ no reducing pens to glances.

Any more changes you would reccommend? I heard draigo star is hard to pilot...so that may not be for me just yet!

also, since we both are just starting to play, we havent been paying attention to the common tournament rules, only codex rules. However, we should get used to them so maybe we can try some friendly tournaments out. A local game nights, do you still run across people that use these tourney rules?

thanks

Few months and you're already building hard core centstar lists lol

Biggest think I'll suggest with list two and three is to think about late game objective scoring because that's how you'll lose.... You'll smash all game and end up behind one point or tied because you just couldn't kill enough or play fast enough with a psychic heavy list. Scouts in land speeder storms are great for this especially with tiggy letting you manipulate reserve rolls to pick and choose when they arrive.

Best of luck with centstar... Very temperamental and definitely a finesse army but get it right and It's a great army

Well for some one that has just started you have written 3 strong lists. I would advise going with list 1 as I don't rate solo Knights. Too expensive to be a distraction carnifex and not difficult enough to deal with to cause serious problems. here are my notes on your lists:

List 1, the CM needs at least a powerfist preferably a thunderhammer. The Relic blade is an awful weapon. Also you are really going to struggle to win games unless you table your opponent. I would try to get more bike squads for instance swapping the attack bike and 2 extra guys in the grav bike squad for a 3rd bike unit gives you more options.

List 2 needs more Cents to get the star really rolling. Not convinced you need both Loth and Tiggy. Swapping Loth (or Tiggy) for Coteaz would still give you back up Pychic options as well as Coteaz shenanigans in case you fail invis and your opponent has WWP Scytheguard and frees up the points to get more Cents.

List 3 just seems an inferior version of List 2. To give it something I would drop Coteaz and drop Tiggy down to a divination Libby and drop the Sicaran to grab a Knight Errant. 2 Knights backed up by the Dreadknight starts causing people problems.

Hope this helps.

Thanks again for the advice. I can switch the bike squads to 3 x 3 man squads. I could also switch out the small grav units to melta which should help vs armor (even if the wave serpent can make everything glances).. maybe I can figure out how to take an allied detachment of ultramarines to bring tig and a melta pod.

Does anyone have experience with the white scars lib conclave? Or a dreadknight? I made list 3 just because I liked the model (which I don't own yet) , so if they don't help the list it will save me some money!

Thank you all!!!