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2015/09/02 03:36:11
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Been Around the Block
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looking at site seems been a long time since new stuff has been shown - 2014 - am just getting to get back into 40k and dont want to waste money other than fact I am buying GW product/
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2015/09/02 03:41:15
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Please don't start News & Rumour threads with questions instead of News and Rumours. I'm moving this to Dakka Discussions
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2015/09/02 07:06:33
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
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Haven't seen anything to suggest they are dead in the water. Quite possible they just don't have anything new out lately.
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"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
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2015/09/02 14:14:56
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Well, nothing new in 9 months is a decent signifier that things probably aren't too hot.
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2015/09/02 18:27:52
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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To be honest, considering what they went through I'd be amazed if they could keep the heart to keep making things that were anything to do with GW. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to.
Shame they couldn't have branched out into making custom bits for some of the other games out there, many of which would no doubt welcome new products with open arms.
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2015/09/02 19:10:50
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Pacific wrote:To be honest, considering what they went through I'd be amazed if they could keep the heart to keep making things that were anything to do with GW. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to.
Shame they couldn't have branched out into making custom bits for some of the other games out there, many of which would no doubt welcome new products with open arms.
Ehhh...there are plenty of other places doing it with better quality, IMO.
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2015/09/02 19:57:17
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Infiltrating Prowler
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Pacific wrote:To be honest, considering what they went through I'd be amazed if they could keep the heart to keep making things that were anything to do with GW. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to.
Shame they couldn't have branched out into making custom bits for some of the other games out there, many of which would no doubt welcome new products with open arms.
Which games? WMH has very restrictive conversation policies and Infinity figures are metal and a pain to convert. He could have tried scenery, WMH doesn't have much and there are a ton supplying top quality for infinity though.
Possible that new SM kits with the hands on the guns instead of separate killed demand.
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2015/09/02 20:18:32
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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silent25 wrote: Pacific wrote:To be honest, considering what they went through I'd be amazed if they could keep the heart to keep making things that were anything to do with GW. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to.
Shame they couldn't have branched out into making custom bits for some of the other games out there, many of which would no doubt welcome new products with open arms.
Which games? WMH has very restrictive conversation policies and Infinity figures are metal and a pain to convert. He could have tried scenery, WMH doesn't have much and there are a ton supplying top quality for infinity though.
Top quality for Infinity is debatable. A large amount of the scenery is MDF or simple cardboard.
Doing some hard-plastic/quality resin scenery for Infinity would be easy enough to break into.
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2015/09/02 21:44:56
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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silent25 wrote: Pacific wrote:To be honest, considering what they went through I'd be amazed if they could keep the heart to keep making things that were anything to do with GW. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to.
Shame they couldn't have branched out into making custom bits for some of the other games out there, many of which would no doubt welcome new products with open arms.
Which games? WMH has very restrictive conversation policies and Infinity figures are metal and a pain to convert. He could have tried scenery, WMH doesn't have much and there are a ton supplying top quality for infinity though.
Possible that new SM kits with the hands on the guns instead of separate killed demand.
They've Greatly loosened up the official conversion policy. Only slightly stricter than GW's old policy of requiring 50% of the model to be PP parts, but with the additional of no identifiable non- PP IP/Copyrights.
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2015/09/02 22:35:07
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Infiltrating Prowler
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I stand corrected regarding PP. Good to see they changed their policy. I don't remember it being that liberal half a year ago. Still CH always capitalized on supply figures and parts specified but not produced by GW. I'm not sure how much there is to take advantage of with WMH.
As for Infinity, I like some of those MDF kits.
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2015/09/03 02:39:32
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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A shame, really. All that casework effectively benefited the community as a whole. I really would like to see them grow their business but it seems that they chose to fade away instead.
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2015/09/03 03:30:46
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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I PMed them here and messaged them via their site to check the viability of having some pieces sculpted and cast. That was back in April. No replies to either message.
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Black Fiend wrote: Okay all the ChapterHouse Nazis to the right!! All the GW apologists to the far left. LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE !!!
The Green Git wrote: I'd like to cross section them and see if they have TFG rings, but that's probably illegal.
Polonius wrote: You have to love when the most clearly biased person in the room is claiming to be objective.
Greebynog wrote:Us brits have a sense of fair play and propriety that you colonial savages can only dream of.
Stelek wrote: I know you're afraid. I want you to be. Because you should be. I've got the humiliation wagon all set up for you to take a ride back to suck city.
Quote: LunaHound--- Why do people hate unpainted models? I mean is it lacking the realism to what we fantasize the plastic soldier men to be?
I just can't stand it when people have fun the wrong way. - Chongara
I do believe that the GW "moneysheep" is a dying breed, despite their bleats to the contrary. - AesSedai
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2015/09/03 04:19:47
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Infinity could standard some bits services. They have weapon packs but don't sell them and I'd like to be able to get weapons for conversions and profiles they don't have models for.
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2015/09/03 05:11:37
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Norn Queen
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The downside there is each faction has a distinct look to each weapon, and I'm sure CB would clamp down on anything made that even slightly resembles their stuff.
The other option would be partnering with them to make weapon packs, but that would depend on the quality of your sculpts. No partners that I know of currently make miniatures, only terrain. Antenocitii is the closest with his civilian vehicles and dropships, but those are still terrain.
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2015/09/03 08:33:15
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Despite essentially winning the case, Chapter House took a heavy gut beating. Essentially a one man business, they went through 18 months of drawn out litigation during which GW pulled out an array of very dodgy moves to try to ruin CH's business and make his life hell.
The appeal ended with an out of court settlement, which means we can't know the details.
My suspicion is that during the appeal process, GW were brought to realise they would lose on some important points they won at trial, and offered CH a big chunk of money to fold his tents and slip away quietly. Haggard from the 18 months fight, CH took the opportunity to get out of the whole nightmare.
Whilst this was a disappointment from the bigger picture of clarifying GW's shaky grasp on IP law and their supposed properties, I don't blame Chapter House at all.
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2015/09/03 09:59:01
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Didn't they celebrate with a kickstarter?
Alternate ageis lines IIRC.
How did that go?
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2015/09/03 10:34:52
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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2015/09/03 10:37:44
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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very late as their funds got frozen but fulfilled at the beginning of the year I think
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2015/09/03 12:10:23
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kilkrazy wrote:Despite essentially winning the case, Chapter House took a heavy gut beating. Essentially a one man business, they went through 18 months of drawn out litigation during which GW pulled out an array of very dodgy moves to try to ruin CH's business and make his life hell.
The appeal ended with an out of court settlement, which means we can't know the details.
My suspicion is that during the appeal process, GW were brought to realise they would lose on some important points they won at trial, and offered CH a big chunk of money to fold his tents and slip away quietly. Haggard from the 18 months fight, CH took the opportunity to get out of the whole nightmare.
Whilst this was a disappointment from the bigger picture of clarifying GW's shaky grasp on IP law and their supposed properties, I don't blame Chapter House at all.
GW tried to scare him, and he flinched.
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Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
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2015/09/03 14:10:03
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Posts with Authority
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weeble1000 wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:Despite essentially winning the case, Chapter House took a heavy gut beating. Essentially a one man business, they went through 18 months of drawn out litigation during which GW pulled out an array of very dodgy moves to try to ruin CH's business and make his life hell.
The appeal ended with an out of court settlement, which means we can't know the details.
My suspicion is that during the appeal process, GW were brought to realise they would lose on some important points they won at trial, and offered CH a big chunk of money to fold his tents and slip away quietly. Haggard from the 18 months fight, CH took the opportunity to get out of the whole nightmare.
Whilst this was a disappointment from the bigger picture of clarifying GW's shaky grasp on IP law and their supposed properties, I don't blame Chapter House at all.
GW tried to scare him, and he flinched.
More that they kept piling bricks on him until he buckled - a flinch is sudden, in this case... GW just kept making life harder for him to do business, nothing sudden about it.
I have not bought anything from GW since, nor am I likely to. *EDIT* Mind you, their current games are making that an easy choice for me. It's easy to vow never to buy things you don't want from a company that you don't like....
The Auld Grump
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along. |
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2015/09/03 14:35:35
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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weeble1000 wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:Despite essentially winning the case, Chapter House took a heavy gut beating. Essentially a one man business, they went through 18 months of drawn out litigation during which GW pulled out an array of very dodgy moves to try to ruin CH's business and make his life hell.
The appeal ended with an out of court settlement, which means we can't know the details.
My suspicion is that during the appeal process, GW were brought to realise they would lose on some important points they won at trial, and offered CH a big chunk of money to fold his tents and slip away quietly. Haggard from the 18 months fight, CH took the opportunity to get out of the whole nightmare.
Whilst this was a disappointment from the bigger picture of clarifying GW's shaky grasp on IP law and their supposed properties, I don't blame Chapter House at all.
GW tried to scare him, and he flinched.
Hardly, he fought for 18 months, and finally got a settlement which satisfied him.
The whole story demands an in-depth review and essay. The shenanigans that GW got up to, and their abyssal depth of ignorance about their legal position, have to be read to be believed. People who didn't follow it as it developed would find it very hard to patch it together from internet records like DakkaDakka.
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2015/09/03 18:57:10
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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TheAuldGrump wrote:weeble1000 wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:Despite essentially winning the case, Chapter House took a heavy gut beating. Essentially a one man business, they went through 18 months of drawn out litigation during which GW pulled out an array of very dodgy moves to try to ruin CH's business and make his life hell.
The appeal ended with an out of court settlement, which means we can't know the details.
My suspicion is that during the appeal process, GW were brought to realise they would lose on some important points they won at trial, and offered CH a big chunk of money to fold his tents and slip away quietly. Haggard from the 18 months fight, CH took the opportunity to get out of the whole nightmare.
Whilst this was a disappointment from the bigger picture of clarifying GW's shaky grasp on IP law and their supposed properties, I don't blame Chapter House at all.
GW tried to scare him, and he flinched.
More that they kept piling bricks on him until he buckled - a flinch is sudden, in this case... GW just kept making life harder for him to do business, nothing sudden about it.
I have not bought anything from GW since, nor am I likely to. *EDIT* Mind you, their current games are making that an easy choice for me. It's easy to vow never to buy things you don't want from a company that you don't like....
The Auld Grump
He flinched. It was sudden. Litigation is oppressive, but he flinched. It happens. It isn't a slow process of being weighed down; it is a moment of weakness. Understandable, but regrettable. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kilkrazy wrote:
Hardly, he fought for 18 months, and finally got a settlement which satisfied him.
With all due respect Krazy, you don't know that. You don't know the terms of the settlement and you don't know the man's state of mind, then or now.
What you do know is that GW made a last ditch effort designed to break an opponent's resolve, and the case was settled swiftly thereafter. GW went after Nick's personal assets, which is designed to create leverage. You know that this did not happen until after almost a year of time in which the parties were ostensibly negotiating.
The parties were unable to come to an agreement during that time, but rapidly came to an agreement after the plaintiff attempted to execute the judgment and pierce the corporate veil.
We can't come to an agreement, so you put a gun to my head, suddenly we come to an agreement. You think I'm happy with that agreement?
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Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
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2015/09/03 20:06:53
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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weeble1000 wrote:GW went after Nick's personal assets, which is designed to create leverage.
I've always wondered, couldn't Nick have filed for bankruptcy to protect his personal assets given that GW was essentially a creditor?
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2015/09/03 20:45:03
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Nimble Skeleton Charioteer
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Weeble you really should do a full write up of the case. It deserves to be chronicled for the future, and you are really the best candidate for such. I don't think I would be wrong in saying that all of dakka would be very grateful and thankful to you for it.
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2015/09/04 03:38:22
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The legal process is exhausting and really draining emotionally. It's like going to war, one side may come out ahead but there's no real "winners" as everyone involved comes out worse than they went in. Even though I was only involved for 1 1/2 years (and not 4) it was such a soul sucking experience that even once it was behind me it really dampened a lot of the enthusiasm I had towards gaming and modelling as a whole. My interest level in anything remotely GW related was completely dead for quite a while.
I imagine the process was much worse for Nick given how much longer it went on for him, add in difficulties with a KS project and it's very easy for things to grind to a halt (even if it's just for a time). A small business (especially an art based one) lives and dies by the enthusiasm/energy of the owner so if he's burnt out or overwhelmed then there's a good chance you'll see things slow down or even stop for a bit until they can get get that internal energy built back up.
I hope Nick is doing ok and that he wasn't soured on gaming too much, it certainly wasn't an easy thing to go through.
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2015/09/04 04:32:34
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Focused Dark Angels Land Raider Pilot
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Perhaps he is slowly stockpiling explosives as he plans for a covert demolition mission to destroy Warhammer World.
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Captain Killhammer McFighterson stared down at the surface of Earth from his high vantage point on the bridge of Starship Facemelter. Something ominous was looming on the surface. He could see a great shadow looming just underneath the waters of the Gulf of Mexico, slowly spreading northward. "That can't be good..." he muttered to himself while rubbing the super manly stubble on his chin with one hand. "But... on the other hand..." he looked at his shiny new bionic murder-arm. "This could be the perfect chance for that promotion." A perfect roundhouse kick slammed the ship's throttle into full gear. Soon orange jets of superheated plasma were visible from the space-windshield as Facemelter reentered the atmosphere at breakneck speed. |
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2015/09/04 05:47:03
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I think he is creating a 1:1 scale not-GW spacemarine inspired suit of power armour so he can go run riot in Nottingham,
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2015/09/04 07:19:31
Subject: Re:is chapter house dead?
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Somewhere in south-central England.
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weeble1000 wrote: TheAuldGrump wrote:weeble1000 wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:Despite essentially winning the case, Chapter House took a heavy gut beating. Essentially a one man business, they went through 18 months of drawn out litigation during which GW pulled out an array of very dodgy moves to try to ruin CH's business and make his life hell.
The appeal ended with an out of court settlement, which means we can't know the details.
My suspicion is that during the appeal process, GW were brought to realise they would lose on some important points they won at trial, and offered CH a big chunk of money to fold his tents and slip away quietly. Haggard from the 18 months fight, CH took the opportunity to get out of the whole nightmare.
Whilst this was a disappointment from the bigger picture of clarifying GW's shaky grasp on IP law and their supposed properties, I don't blame Chapter House at all.
GW tried to scare him, and he flinched.
More that they kept piling bricks on him until he buckled - a flinch is sudden, in this case... GW just kept making life harder for him to do business, nothing sudden about it.
I have not bought anything from GW since, nor am I likely to. *EDIT* Mind you, their current games are making that an easy choice for me. It's easy to vow never to buy things you don't want from a company that you don't like....
The Auld Grump
He flinched. It was sudden. Litigation is oppressive, but he flinched. It happens. It isn't a slow process of being weighed down; it is a moment of weakness. Understandable, but regrettable.
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Kilkrazy wrote:
Hardly, he fought for 18 months, and finally got a settlement which satisfied him.
With all due respect Krazy, you don't know that. You don't know the terms of the settlement and you don't know the man's state of mind, then or now.
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I said at the outset that my post was my opinion or suspicion of what has been going on.
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2015/09/04 07:21:42
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Major
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That'll learn him to argue back against GW. They say stop, you stop.
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2015/09/04 14:11:21
Subject: is chapter house dead?
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Lol. GW 'learned' a whole lot more in the case than Nick. You file predatory litigation and folks will make you pay big for it. GW took a HUGE hit in the Chapterhouse case, and utterly failed to shut Chapterhouse down. As Jon mentioned, that kind of litigation is draining for both parties. GW didn't realize how draining it would be until waaaay too late in the game. Pretty much after the fact. This is because Kirby was driving the litigation, but wasn't really involved in it or engaged in it in any substantive manner. As a result, his company suffered, and his employees suffered. Just ask Gil Stevenson how she feels about it, or Andy Jones. GW doesn't want to go for round two, which is a darn good idea, because its position would likely be far worse than in the Chapterhouse case. For all we know, Nick doesn't feel like making miniatures anymore, for reasons entirely unrelated to the case. But the litigation did not shut Chapterhouse down. Nick protected his, and everyone else's, rights to make accessories for another company's products. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kilkrazy wrote: I said at the outset that my post was my opinion or suspicion of what has been going on. I understand. And I apologize for not being more clear. I think your speculations were unreasonable given the facts, and somewhat unfair. Automatically Appended Next Post: Phobos wrote:Weeble you really should do a full write up of the case.
Tried it. Can't do it. Not worth the mental and emotional effort.
We all know the results of the case, and we can feel its impact on the market. Nobody really needs me to write about it.
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Kirasu: Have we fallen so far that we are excited that GW is giving us the opportunity to spend 58$ for JUST the rules? Surprised it's not "Dataslate: Assault Phase"
AlexHolker: "The power loader is a forklift. The public doesn't complain about a forklift not having frontal armour protecting the crew compartment because the only enemy it is designed to face is the OHSA violation."
AlexHolker: "Allow me to put it this way: Paramount is Skynet, reboots are termination attempts, and your childhood is John Connor."
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