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2015/10/06 15:13:06
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Lethal Lhamean
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I'm so tired of people asking everyone else "what's good?" Or "what should I play" and so on, only to be met with a suggestion to take a certain unit, such is inevitably met with comments of how suggested choice is over powered or broken or smells like stale sewage.
Everyone should just play whatever you WANT to play and other people's opinions be darned.
Play what YOU WANT. Not what some random person on the Internet wants.
Be happy in your choice
And since it's your cash and time, tell anyone else who has an issue to shell out the money for your replacement or shut the feth up.
/rant
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2015/10/06 15:21:18
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Dakka Veteran
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Thats like the whole purpose of a forum dude.
Some people are experts at this game while others are just dipping their toes into it. I don't see the issue.
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2015/10/06 15:26:07
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Norn Queen
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Goobs, all of you, total Goobs.
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Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
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2015/10/06 15:29:07
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Terrifying Doombull
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dominuschao wrote:Thats like the whole purpose of a forum dude.
Some people are experts at this game while others are just dipping their toes into it. I don't see the issue.
No one is an expert at such a cave man game as 40k. One merely has the will to endure the mediocernes and blandness of the gameplay. But except for that I dont see the issue but people are different in that regard.
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2015/10/06 15:29:07
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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That's all well and good, and would be a great statement of the game weren't so horribly balanced at the moment.
It is the duty of us experienced players to help steer the new comers from horrible buys, and to help them get the most out of their army with synergy, practice, and Mathhammer.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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2015/10/06 15:29:36
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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You say insightful, I say common sense.
"Build my list for me!" On day one.
"This list sucks, I can't play it!" On day two.
Player sucks because they're trying to make what works for one person get shoe-horned into their way of playing. Advice on usage for things is good. Demanding somebody do the work for you will lead to failure. Which I say is a good thing, as it weeds out the idiots in tournaments quickly!!
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Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.
Due to work, I can usually only ship any sales or trades out on Saturday morning. Please trade/purchase with this in mind. |
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2015/10/06 15:30:24
Subject: Re:My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Smokin' Skorcha Driver
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I started reading your rant and laughed because I agreed with it BUT the fact that most discussions play out that way doesn't make it bad. If someone is posting for advice thats what they're gonna get and usually from people who are passionate about their ideas so they add all the flavour of sewage stale commentary
I play games very rarely and while I don't mind losing I hate getting tabled so I'm always looking for advice and because I play rarely I want to make those games count so reading a proper discussion on peoples opinions on the benefits of running tankbustas over flash gitz is valued reading for me. I play orks so I know I ain't winning a lot but the games have got to be good and the fightins gotta be hard
With the greatest respect I suspect you might be getting forum overload syndrome.
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2015/10/06 15:34:55
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. (IG)
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2015/10/06 15:36:36
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Lethal Lhamean
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Hey be nice. Please.
I've no problem per se with people asking advice - it's when that request of advice is met with angry rage filled hate towards the offered advice.
If I want to play a 20 wk army at 500 pts I should be able to. If i ask advice on how to kit it out so it fits - what's the point of someone else coming on and calling me a floober because i run wk?
I get that some people have a hate on for some things because that thing did bad things to them when they were kids, or some other such traumatic event (surely this amount of hate couldn't spawn at the result of losing a game involving little plastic men...) - but why direct that hate towards someone who does not deserve it?
I once got sideswiped by a guy with a beard driving a red car. That dosent mean I hate everyone that has a beard driving red cars - and that I'm gonna rage out on someone simply because they are considering growing a beard and buying a red car.
If there was perhaps a forum online about people who hate beards and or red cars - I could vent my frustrations there where it belongs. But someone asking for advice on the best way to grow a beard that looks good in that shiney new red car? They don't deserve the hate. Perhaps I'll "keep an eye on them" so they don't side swipe me too.....
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2015/10/06 16:23:39
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Humorless Arbite
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Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. ( IG)
Can I have your stuff?
Pretty please?
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2015/10/06 16:27:44
Subject: Re:My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Ancient Venerable Black Templar Dreadnought
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Well, many of us like to give advice and I am sure we figure what we are offering is the ultimate in bottled wisdom... most likely only for us, not the other guy.
It should be assumed that for the recipient, they can take it or leave it.
It is typically a rude response that is more the issue than the advice not being taken.
"Rage filled hate" is a rather inappropriate response to pretty much anything, never mind an attempt to help.
The only appropriate response is thanks, pointing out the good bits and explaining why you may not agree with other points... constructively.
Oh wait, we are talking 40k.
Sorry, rage filled hate is typical, as you were then.
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A revolution is an idea which has found its bayonets.
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2015/10/06 21:04:48
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Camouflaged Zero
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I cannot speak for others, but I like to see differing points of view if I am unsure about something.
Hypothetically, I ask what Fast Attack I should add to my Nids. Someone says Shrikes. Someone else says Shrikes suck and do not have models. Someone else says Nid FA sucks. Someone else says you suck. Thread gets locked. OK, bad example.
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Order of the Ebon Chalice, 2,624pts
Officio Assassinorum, 570pts
Hive Fleet Viracocha, 3,673pts
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2015/10/06 21:22:13
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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People like to win. With many codices, winning is accomplished by selecting a limited range of units.
This is because the rules are terrible and balance doesn't exist to any reasonable expectations.
The models are expensive. People don't want to waste money on units that won't perform.
Thus, people ask what's good.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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2015/10/06 21:25:16
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers
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Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. ( IG)
Be brave my fellow Guardsman. One day we will get an actual codex instead of the terror of this nerfdex!
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Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
DR:90-S++G+++M++B++I+Pww205++D++A+++/sWD146R++T(T)D+
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2015/10/06 21:51:29
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Humorless Arbite
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master of ordinance wrote: Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. ( IG)
Be brave my fellow Guardsman. One day we will get an actual codex instead of the terror of this nerfdex!
Am I the only one who's played this codex (granted in a casual environment) and is okay with it?
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2015/10/06 22:03:57
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Fixture of Dakka
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With GW being so expensive, I think that is why we have a lot of "what is good" or "what should I use" posts and questions. Who wants to spend $100s of dollars and hours time modelling and painting to find out what they thought was cool, actually sucks and they won't use it.
It's just something we have to live with. After all we are not forced to read these posts that people ask, so it's easily in our power to skip them if we want to.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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2015/10/06 22:27:19
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Otto Weston wrote: master of ordinance wrote: Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. ( IG)
Be brave my fellow Guardsman. One day we will get an actual codex instead of the terror of this nerfdex!
Am I the only one who's played this codex (granted in a casual environment) and is okay with it?
Oh I am hanging onto my guard in hopes of a codex update whenever that may be. I've always loved the guard fluff and look, I just hope they make something more of them.
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2015/10/07 18:49:55
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers
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Otto Weston wrote: master of ordinance wrote: Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. ( IG)
Be brave my fellow Guardsman. One day we will get an actual codex instead of the terror of this nerfdex!
Am I the only one who's played this codex (granted in a casual environment) and is okay with it?
Yes. Unless I am playing one single opponent (and even then it is debatable) at my club I have to bring my Shadowsword to even stand a faint hop of winning (and to be fair the only reason it did so well last game was because my opponent was terrified of it that he hid all his units - all of whom where in transports - and refused to move from cover. If he had just bumrushed my line he would have probably destroyed it) (He also lacked any AT - his only dedicated AT stuff being 5 chosen with 4 Meltas and Demon Primarch whats his name from the Iron Warriors with two Obliterators).
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Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
DR:90-S++G+++M++B++I+Pww205++D++A+++/sWD146R++T(T)D+
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2015/10/07 20:53:27
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Missouri
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DarthSpader wrote:I once got sideswiped by a guy with a beard driving a red car. That dosent mean I hate everyone that has a beard driving red cars - and that I'm gonna rage out on someone simply because they are considering growing a beard and buying a red car.
This is a surprisingly accurate description of the 40k community, actually.
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Desubot wrote:Why isnt Slut Wars: The Sexpocalypse a real game dammit.
"It's easier to change the rules than to get good at the game." |
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2015/10/07 23:18:21
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Revving Ravenwing Biker
England
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Their gooby minds! Gooby! Gooby! Automatically Appended Next Post: On topic, I really don't see a problem for asking what's good or how best to set up a certain thing.
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Don't believe me? It's all in the numbers.
Number 1: That's terror.
Number 2: That's terror.
Dark Angels/Angels of Vengeance combo - ???? - Input wanted! |
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2015/10/07 23:39:11
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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I imagine golf players ask similar questions about expensive golf gear before buying. 40k is also an expensive hobby to get into, and if people want help to make informed decisions, and experienced/knowledageble people are willing to provide it, I say a valuable interchange is taking place. It's easy enough to avoid those threads if it's not your cup of tea. That's my 2 cents anyway. I grmet similarly annoyed by the similarly repetitive "how bad does 40k suck?" threads, so I don't click em unless I'm in the mood to be annoyed.
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2015/10/08 00:46:33
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Yeah. These threads annoy me frequently, too. Often because I get more annoyed by some of the "veterans" giving what seems to be deliberately awful advice, or by the questioner immediately arguing with any advice they're given, than I do with the frequency of such threads.
I tend to avoid them.
I don't think they shouldn't be here, though. God knows I've started enough myself. It's how new players learn, and I'd argue is probably the number one reasons forums like this thrive.
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2015/10/08 00:53:14
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Jimsolo wrote:and I'd argue is probably the number one reasons forums like this thrive.
I agree. Forums survive through arguing
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2015/10/08 00:53:21
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Jimsolo wrote:Yeah. These threads annoy me frequently, too. Often because I get more annoyed by some of the "veterans" giving what seems to be deliberately awful advice, or by the questioner immediately arguing with any advice they're given, than I do with the frequency of such threads. I tend to avoid them. I don't think they shouldn't be here, though. God knows I've started enough myself. It's how new players learn, and I'd argue is probably the number one reasons forums like this thrive. There will always be trolls on internet forums. Arguing with the advice you're being given is definitely annoying though. If there's anything productive these forums get done in a consistent manner, it's giving new players good advice.
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2015/10/08 01:48:40
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Jimsolo wrote:Yeah. These threads annoy me frequently, too. Often because I get more annoyed by some of the "veterans" giving what seems to be deliberately awful advice, or by the questioner immediately arguing with any advice they're given, than I do with the frequency of such threads.
I tend to avoid them.
I don't think they shouldn't be here, though. God knows I've started enough myself. It's how new players learn, and I'd argue is probably the number one reasons forums like this thrive.
I absolutely abhor bad advice, especially when given by someone that just uses anecdotes to help support claims.
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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2015/10/08 04:09:53
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Lethal Lhamean
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This one time at band camp.....
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2015/10/08 04:38:17
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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So.....what should i play starting a KDK army? I already own one of the new bloodthirsters. It was too pretty not to buy.
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"The strength of a blade is tested by fire. The strength of a warrior is tested by actions."
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2015/10/08 05:58:39
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Veteran Inquisitor with Xenos Alliances
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I think a different way to consider the original posters thought is that when people come online and ask the question "what is good?" you end up with people playing narrower and narrower versions of a fewer and fewer number of armies. This hurts the game community.
What is truly good is what ever makes the game fun for everyone. This is situational and thus those outside your gaming circle their advice is likely too removed and limited a winning at all cost mentality. If you are asking for something more definitive your motives are questionably one-sided. For as much money you might put into the game mutual fun is the only way to ensure a return on that equity.
No one wants to play the same armies over and over again. If you're building to only whats recommended your far more likely to meet someone with a very similar army and are likely to become "one of those guys".
The insistence of playing "what is good" only forces everyone to play "what is good." It becomes an arms race that only accentuates the inequities of different codices.So the players who want this are only doing themselves and their group a disservice. Giving them what they "want" is like a snake eating its own tale.
I have known people who went online asked "what is good," built and painted an army only to find out that it doesn't match their play style. So even when advice is given there is no guarantee the advice is actually good for that person even if every unit is otherwise the "best" choice.
I get it. People don't like to lose. People want to squeeze out what ever advantage they can. They don't want to feel like they're starting a game with the odds stacked against them. An element of the game is selecting your army, so to me asking people directly advice for "what is good" as opposed to how you can improve how you use a unit... to me its kinda on the same level as asking someone else to move your models, roll your dice, or electing your targets for you.
In fairness their are gaming circles that are all about the hardest tournament play out there. Within that context the question is justified.
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2015/10/08 07:17:17
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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And since it's your cash and time, tell anyone else who has an issue to shell out the money for your replacement or shut the feth up.
Does that work in any part of this planet, that people buy an army for you, if the one you have is bad?
The insistence of playing "what is good" only forces everyone to play "what is good." It becomes an arms race that only accentuates the inequities of different codices.So the players who want this are only doing themselves and their group a disservice. Giving them what they "want" is like a snake eating its own tale.
But what is the alternative, someone buying ogryns or other crap units, and finding out the hard way that they suck. Then wasting money on some more units and finding out those are bad too. It turns from a , as you called it, arms race in to a cash race. The person with more cash can play the game and the person with less cash won't . Even having an internaly balanced codex like eldar wouldn't help, because the eldar player would constantly find out that no matter what he buys it is always better what the avarge player of most other codex run. In fact the only way to play w40k, would be not to collect this or that army, but collect everything, probably FW too just in case GW decided to balance the game with that.
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2015/10/08 07:45:17
Subject: My possibly insightful rant of the week. Or maybe it's not.
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Huge Hierodule
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Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:I wish I browsed these forums before I started to play... I could have saved myself $1,000+ that I dumped into one of the worst armies in the game currently. ( IG)
+1,
But not your fault when rule edition change every 2 years or so (6th-7th), codexes are revised constantly to make good units bad and bad units good = buy more models.
Used to really love this game, going to tournaments to play 4-7 different people/armies over a day or two. Then enter power creep and WAACAH. Then quit playing . Maybe in the future the codexes/rules will be balanced, instead of who has the deepest pockets wins.
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