Is Wargames Factory in serious trouble?

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**Kid_Kyoto**

So it's been a year since they released a new product.

http://wargamesfactory.com/announcements/woodland-indians

4 months since they closed their web store and announced Warlord Games was their new distributor

http://www.wargamesfactory.com/announcements/warlord-game-and-wargames-factory-partnership

And since that, nothing.

Their stuff is not on the Warlord site and several of their kits are sold out at the War Store.

http://www.thewarstore.com/wargames-factory-science-fiction-miniatures.html

Any insights?

**Spacewolfoddballz**

Yeah i saw Warlord was taking them in as well and their kids being dwindled down. I did find out that some of their American Independence kits that warlord has (package armies) are in fact in part wargames factory figures.

This has lead me to wonder (thought Warlord would have had the figures on their site by now for Christmas) if Warlord wants to use the figures to make army packs instead of selling the cheaper in cost figures as they were. This would remove the figures from being cheaper options to their figures especially Bolt Action line... and instead make a lets say new 2016 D-Day Army Pack with X number of figures vs X number of figures for a "good deal." but not have them for 30 man box set kits.

I am sure i am wrong, but if I am right they will use it for this and have effectivly eliminated a competition of the cheaper box sets vs their own.... assuming that WArlord is more than a distributer and some untruth was going on...

But yeah I had wondered what was going on, I wanted some indians, and what not for Muskets and Tomahawks :(.

**MrMoustaffa**

What I'm worried about is what this means for companies that were using their production facilities, like Dreamforge and Dakka's own game.

If Wargames factory sinks they'll be in serious trouble too, which is an absolute shame because dreamforge has a real future with quality minis if he can just get the ball rolling

**Kilkrazy**

I don't know where Wargames Factory manufacture their kits, but there are plenty of polystyrene moulding companies around the world. It's not hard to arrange manufacturing of a kit if you've got the money, which means there needs to be sufficient demand.

AWI is not a period I would have picked for a high volume plastic range. It's barely played at all outside the US and I don't get the impression it's super popular over there. ACW is a lot more widespread. The Perry Bros have got that sown up in plastic now, though.

**legoburner**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
What I'm worried about is what this means for companies that were using their production facilities, like Dreamforge and Dakka's own game.

If Wargames factory sinks they'll be in serious trouble too, which is an absolute shame because dreamforge has a real future with quality minis if he can just get the ball rolling

I cant speak for dreamforge, but we use loads of different manufacturers, and contractually can freely move the completed tools between them as well as have tooling done by any of them. WGF has been doing a lot of non-wargames business recently as well.

**paulson games**

They are still churning out new Malifaux stuff, but seem to have dropped quite a few other lines.

**Polonius**

There was an update in this morning's Warlord Newsletter:

http://www.warlordgames.com/update-partnership-with-wargames-factory/

As you know we have recently entered into partnership with Wargames Factory to exclusively distribute their plastic wargames kits worldwide.

We have been hard at work producing new box artwork to bring the packaging in line with our existing brands, having the models painted by our talented figure painters and, where necessary, having flags produced for inclusion in those sets.

We are also working with Wargames Factory to modify some of the plastic tools to make them more fit for purpose by either amalgamating many smaller sprues into the larger sprues our customers are used to or in some cases altering the mix of components on some sprues to give more models per frame – we want you to have the best possible products!

All of this takes time considering the wide range of boxed sets we will be distributing. In November we re-released the first plastics with three new products for the American War of Independence – British and Continental starter armies and our massive Liberty or Death! Battle-set. Six individual boxed sets for this range will be released early in 2016 including two brand new sets – Hessians and Artillery.

We plan to release all if the sets as fast as possible given the above changes. With the AWI range released we next turn our attention to the War of Spanish Succession and to the various Zombie Apocalypse sets (including some completely new sets and some surprises!).

Please bear with us while we transition the range – the wait will be worth it.

**Kilkrazy**

WoSS has more appeal to me, though in fact I've always liked the 15mm range done by Dixons Miniatures.

**winnertakesall**

The only time wargames factory has been introuble was the time Tony Reidy was incharge of it

**Kid_Kyoto**

Polonius wrote:
There was an update in this morning's Warlord Newsletter:

http://www.warlordgames.com/update-partnership-with-wargames-factory/

As you know we have recently entered into partnership with Wargames Factory to exclusively distribute their plastic wargames kits worldwide.

We have been hard at work producing new box artwork to bring the packaging in line with our existing brands, having the models painted by our talented figure painters and, where necessary, having flags produced for inclusion in those sets.

We are also working with Wargames Factory to modify some of the plastic tools to make them more fit for purpose by either amalgamating many smaller sprues into the larger sprues our customers are used to or in some cases altering the mix of components on some sprues to give more models per frame – we want you to have the best possible products!

All of this takes time considering the wide range of boxed sets we will be distributing. In November we re-released the first plastics with three new products for the American War of Independence – British and Continental starter armies and our massive Liberty or Death! Battle-set. Six individual boxed sets for this range will be released early in 2016 including two brand new sets – Hessians and Artillery.

We plan to release all if the sets as fast as possible given the above changes. With the AWI range released we next turn our attention to the War of Spanish Succession and to the various Zombie Apocalypse sets (including some completely new sets and some surprises!).

Please bear with us while we transition the range – the wait will be worth it.

huh?

Did they read my mind or something?

**Korinov**

Thanks for the update Polonius, those are pretty good news.

**BobtheInquisitor**

I fear that Warlord Games will price the kits as high as their own overpriced boxes. WGF used to give great value for money. Raise the prices by Warlord levels, and suddenly that repetition of three sprues in a kit seems much more of a liability.

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I fear that Warlord Games will price the kits as high as their own overpriced boxes. WGF used to give great value for money. Raise the prices by Warlord levels, and suddenly that repetition of three sprues in a kit seems much more of a liability.

**Dorrand**

WF is basically trying to become more like Renedra.

As for the sets, I know that in addition to the Apocalypse sets and the War of Independence sets Warlord Games also picked up the old Hammer of the Gods (Vikings and Saxons) sets as well. Again, they're rebranding the boxes and those will release. I have that confirmed by email from one of their customer service guys. Though, the vikings and saxons may be a while.

As to the WF WW2, Dreamforge got to pick those up when Warlord declined them. Dreamforge sells both the 28mm and 15mm ranges at http://dreamforge-games.com/collections/all . Just scroll down to the bottom of the page.

**durecellrabbit**

What about the Japanese Samurai range?

**Dorrand**

I don't know about the samurai, but I would be surprised if Warlord didn't pick those up. Worse come to worse you could email them and ask. That's what I did to find out about the Saxons.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Damn, I still need to pick up the zombie survivors kits for Fallout/TNT.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Crap. I was putting off buying more of their WW2 stuff and Samurai until I had finished the current boxes. If I had known Warlord would be taking over, I wouldn't have waited. This is why wargames become hoarders.

**Kid_Kyoto**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Crap. I was putting off buying more of their WW2 stuff and Samurai until I had finished the current boxes. If I had known Warlord would be taking over, I wouldn't have waited. This is why wargames become hoarders.

Dreamforge has it, for a good discount too.

http://dreamforge-games.com/collections/all

So if I've got this right WGF won't be putting out any new kits but will continue to act as a supplier for other companies.

Their non-WWII historical line and zombie/survivors have been picked up by Warlord but will be retooled and might not be back for a while.

Their WWII stuff is with Dream Forge.

What about their great coat shock troops? Anyone know.

**snurl**

The Wargames Factory Zombies were nothing to write home about.

**BrookM**

Same could in my opinion be said about their survivor kits. I've got both and the lack of options and how they go together is quite appalling. The only big pro to the kits are the low price I paid for them.

One would think that the great coat kits have gone the way of the dodo as well, they weren't exactly stellar or great looking. I know some people are desperate for something other than GW's plastic Cadians, but those kits aren't it in my opinion.

**Korinov**

The Greatcoat Shocktroopers are (were?) quite ok for their price, specially considering the weapon options included in the kit.

**Kid_Kyoto**

With multiple head and gun options I really like the philosophy behind the Great Coats.

They were really designed so you could make 'your' army, not just assemble someone else's idea.

While some of the options were not great, or even good, the flexibility of the kit was head and shoulders above most others.

I wish WGF had continued down that road with stronger designs.

**Swastakowey**

Some info here:

theminiaturespage.com/news/?id=390635353

We have been hard at work producing new box artwork to bring the packaging in line with our existing brands, having the models painted by our talented figure painters and, where necessary, having flags produced for inclusion in those sets.

We are also working with Wargames Factory to modify some of the plastic tools to make them more fit for purpose by either amalgamating many smaller sprues into the larger sprues our customers are used to, or in some cases altering the mix of components on some sprues to give more models per frame – we want you to have the best possible products!

All of this takes time, considering the wide range of boxed sets we will be distributing. In November, we re-released the first plastics with three new products for the American War of Independence – British and Continental starter armies and our massive Liberty or Death! battle set. Six individual boxed sets for this range will be released early in 2016, including two brand-new sets – Hessians and artillery.

We plan to release all of the sets as fast as possible, given the above changes. With the AWI range released, we next turn our attention to the War of the Spanish Succession and to the various Zombie Apocalypse sets (including some completely new sets and some surprises!).

Please bear with us while we transition the range – the wait will be worth it.

**BrookM**

Already posted in this thread a bit up.

**Swastakowey**

Woops, I knew I had read it somewhere...

Sorry

**Wyrmalla**

Whatever happened to their third box of Post-Apocalyptic survivors? They showed pictures of a biker set on the sprue last year at a show, but there's been nothing since. :(

Spoiler:

Damn, and looking at the standing legs for those models they're a hell of a lot better posed that the regular splayed legs survivors. :(

**CptJake**

Wyrmalla wrote:
Whatever happened to their third box of Post-Apocalyptic survivors? They showed pictures of a biker set on the sprue last year at a show, but there's been nothing since. :(

I had forgotten about the bikers. I wanted a set. Still may want them if they get released.

**Gitkikka**

Cautiously optimistic. Hope they redo the greatcoat heavy weapon box, as that was just plain bad.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Wyrmalla wrote:
Whatever happened to their third box of Post-Apocalyptic survivors? They showed pictures of a biker set on the sprue last year at a show, but there's been nothing since. :(

From the sound of things the best bet might be contacting Warlord since they seem to ahve picked up the Apoc line.

**durecellrabbit**

Available now in the webstore, we have a selection of Wargames Factory plastic sprues.

As we explained a few weeks ago in this update, the Design Studio is busy working on the brilliant Wargames Factory plastics, ready to release newly kitted-out and repackaged boxed sets.

However we know lots of you are keen to get your hands on these models, and since we already have a limited number of certain sprues sitting in our stock room, we decided to make them available to tide you over until they are revisited at a later date:

All these plastic frames come fantastically detailed with a great assortment of pieces to make up your models in the equipment and style of your choice:

From the latest newsletter. You can buy sprues of Saxons, Samurai and Orcs from £3-£5.