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So out of curiosity, would you be interested if when GW brought Gothic back they introduced it on a larger scale? Like were battleships were the size of a land raider? vs the smaller minitures?

Obviously this would make the old models moot, but at the same time allow for a lot more detail and awesome modeling stuff.

I for one would like to see it come out in a larger size, simply because i love the paint the models so

It was best the size it was, you need a lot of room between the models to make it feel like it is set in space.

 JamesY wrote:
It was best the size it was, you need a lot of room between the models to make it feel like it is set in space.

Don't forget as well, it has to compete with X-wing. Bigger ships also means more expensive per ship, and at the prices I'm sure GW will set for them at their current size it's going to be a tough sell.

No, its current cruiser scale is perfect.

Perfect size to transport, not too big to make painting a chore, but big enough that details are easily seen and captured with simple painting methods. Its a great size for maneuvering around a 4x4 or 4x6 table.

Plus, it meshes better with most other space combat games, which are either in a cruiser scale game (BFG, Firestorm) or a fleet scale (Full Thrust). Any bigger would just be weird.

Not to mention the cost GW would charge because they're bigger.

Definitely the current size. You can't sensibly make it any smaller because you have to have ten-mile-battleships and thirty-foot-fighters on the same battlefield (Thunderhawks are the smallest ships in BFG), but any bigger and you'd never be able to play it sensibly on a table, you'd need to rent a sports hall or something.

That said, BFG with six-inch-long battlecruisers on a 40'x60' table would be awesome.

Played a 1200pt game on Thursday night - awesome

Especially when the Eldar player said that the Nova cannon would not be any use to me due to holofields- killed two frigates first turn

Models are great size at the moment IMO

I thought the models at the moment were essentially holographic tactical projections anyway; hence being able to have them all on the table while still engaging at hundreds of kilometers of range, and having flights of fighters and bombers, torpedoes, etc...

changing the scaling would be controversal as so many people's old fleets would be rendered worthless.

of course this might be a reason eneugh for GW to change the scale, to ensure a reasonable profit level at launch...

AOS :cough:

BFG is supposed to be a true large fleet type game, as such you can't really scale it up without some issues.

Even Armada has issues with trying to do full fleet sized battles, the most you see are small scale engagements.

Could it be done? Sure. Would it work as well eh, that's debatable honestly. And while I would personally LOVE to have a highly detailed Space Marines fleet for my campaigns I think it's probably best at its current 6mm scale.. maybe maybe 15mm

Now, if I were GW, I would put a team on designing a series of 1:1250 scale display models for collectors' purposes only of 40k starships without even pretending they're for gameplay.

For reference, this would put a Mars-class battlecruiser at about 432cm long and a Thunderhawk 2mm long (and yes, the tech does exist to create a 2mm long thunderhawk approximation to sit on a flight deck).

I'd have them made out of light grey modelling plastic - the same stuff airfix kits are made of - with lots of tiny details such as aerials and viewports.

I'd then publish a set of rules in white dwarf to use them in a simplified battle game, and put a ship spec in every issue - Two pages of fluff and one page of game statistics and picture. It doesn't matter that nobody would ever play the game (the models would be too fragile to do it seriously), because the sorts of people who would buy the models would buy the WD issues just for the fluff pages.

I know I would absolutely love to have a a few Imperial Navy ships of this scale to populate my model display shelves next to the Willow Tree statuettes and Korean BJDs.

A new version of BFG should be the size it always was. Bigger spaceships would be cool for a game that was more detailed at a different scale, with two ships really slugging it out.

Rosebuddy wrote:
A new version of BFG should be the size it always was. Bigger spaceships would be cool for a game that was more detailed at a different scale, with two ships really slugging it out.

Isn't that the new knight titan game?

 Backspacehacker wrote:
So out of curiosity, would you be interested if when GW brought Gothic back they introduced it on a larger scale? Like were battleships were the size of a land raider? vs the smaller minitures?

Obviously this would make the old models moot, but at the same time allow for a lot more detail and awesome modeling stuff.

I for one would like to see it come out in a larger size, simply because i love the paint the models so

More is not always better, and I would hope that GW would finally realize that. I really wish they would try to increase sales by encouraging players to buy more armies, rather than more of the same army. Right now they expand through power-inflation rather than by differentiating the armies.

 TheSilo wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
So out of curiosity, would you be interested if when GW brought Gothic back they introduced it on a larger scale? Like were battleships were the size of a land raider? vs the smaller minitures?

Obviously this would make the old models moot, but at the same time allow for a lot more detail and awesome modeling stuff.

I for one would like to see it come out in a larger size, simply because i love the paint the models so

More is not always better, and I would hope that GW would finally realize that. I really wish they would try to increase sales by encouraging players to buy more armies, rather than more of the same army. Right now they expand through power-inflation rather than by differentiating the armies.

Isn't that a consumer choice though? I have 10 armies for 40k varying between 5k and 600 points each. I have never felt pushed towards a single army, and surely new factions like harles, ad mech, stealer cults suggest that they are trying to increase sales by offering people more variation?

I'd like them to be a little bigger but certainly not landraider sized.

If they were ~30% bigger I think that would allow nicer models without changing the game.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
That said, BFG with six-inch-long battlecruisers on a 40'x60' table would be awesome.

BFG ranges are utterly out of scale with the models so you don't need larger models to do that nor would you need to do that with larger models.

I know that, S6, I'm just saying that giant-scale would be awesome too.

If you don't think GW will take this opportunity to mess with the scale, you are sadly mistaken. GW doesn't want players using old miniatures to play their "new" game. There will be a scale change whether people want one or not. Bai moar nao!

 the_Armyman wrote:
If you don't think GW will take this opportunity to mess with the scale, you are sadly mistaken. GW doesn't want players using old miniatures to play their "new" game. There will be a scale change whether people want one or not. Bai moar nao!

It's a good point, and will probably prove to be true. I wouldn't blame them for it if they did though, got to make them profits.

Maybe a special edition model that is not designed for gameplay.


Like a statue kind of thing of some famous craft. Like one of those jet fighters on a stand, or a model ship but instead its a giant 40k Imperial Navy Retribution Class or a Battle Barge.


Otherwise same size as before should work.

JamesY wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
If you don't think GW will take this opportunity to mess with the scale, you are sadly mistaken. GW doesn't want players using old miniatures to play their "new" game. There will be a scale change whether people want one or not. Bai moar nao!

It's a good point, and will probably prove to be true. I wouldn't blame them for it if they did though, got to make them profits.

Oh, I don't begrudge them making a buck. I just chuckle a bit when people who don't understand how GW functions think that any remake or reboot isn't going to have some surprises.

Engine of War wrote:Maybe a special edition model that is not designed for gameplay.


Like a statue kind of thing of some famous craft. Like one of those jet fighters on a stand, or a model ship but instead its a giant 40k Imperial Navy Retribution Class or a Battle Barge.


Otherwise same size as before should work.

They could make it a limited edition to sell in-store or web only. Sell it for a single day, then throw in some rules that make it a free upgrade for your fleet w00t!

 the_Armyman wrote:
If you don't think GW will take this opportunity to mess with the scale, you are sadly mistaken. GW doesn't want players using old miniatures to play their "new" game. There will be a scale change whether people want one or not. Bai moar nao!

Conversely there is a whole new generation of gamers who have never played BFG and don't have any models that GW can sell the existing models to and not spend a single cent on design or tooling molds.

No! I would like it to be scale down.
Those models where already really big.

I voted no, but I could see use for bigger models in a spin-off game similar to how Inquisitor was to 40K. Maybe one to three ships per side with more detailed mechanics - probably best left to some outsiders to write the rules! Heck, why not?

 Ghaz wrote:

 the_Armyman wrote:
If you don't think GW will take this opportunity to mess with the scale, you are sadly mistaken. GW doesn't want players using old miniatures to play their "new" game. There will be a scale change whether people want one or not. Bai moar nao!

Conversely there is a whole new generation of gamers who have never played BFG and don't have any models that GW can sell the existing models to and not spend a single cent on design or tooling molds.

The problem with that is that virtually all the ships were metal and GW have demonstrated that taking an existing metal model and trying to make it in finecast sucks really badly.

Plus, the detail on those old models is fairly soft.

If they're serious about bringing it back then the models need to be updated.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

The problem with that is that virtually all the ships were metal and GW have demonstrated that taking an existing metal model and trying to make it in finecast sucks really badly.

Plus, the detail on those old models is fairly soft.

If they're serious about bringing it back then the models need to be updated.

Yes they had soft detail, though that might be because of the molds were worn out.
Metal is pretty awful material for BFG ships. They have so many sharp edges and points that paint chips off all the time, and particularly larger ships are pain to assemble. So even Finecast would be big improvement.

I don't want them to change scale. Larger ships would become too expensive and cumbersome. Also for the sake of Emperor I hope they don't add "Deathstar" class megaships, analoguous to GMC's and Titans in 40k....although they probably will.

Also for the sake of Emperor I hope they don't add "Deathstar" class megaships, analoguous to GMC's and Titans in 40k....although they probably will.

There have always been warships much larger and more powerful than Battleships - the Phalanx, Crusade era command ships, plus Space Hulks, the Planet Killer.......

The only official rules for larger warships are Hulks and the Planet Killer, and only one of those got a model.

The fluff can have all of its absurdity, but the rules should end at Hulks and the Planet Killer.

The beauty of BFG is that GW already has a winner on its hands. Between the 2010 FAQ and the community driven BFG:R, all GW would have to do is grab those changes, re-publish them in a nice book, and release everything in multipart plastic. No further changes needed.

I'd like a new range to keep the cruisers as is and make battleships slightly bigger (>=1 cm bigger) and escorts slightly smaller.
This would give a nicer visual representation of ship scale- making the difference between

an escort and light cruiser,

light cruiser and cruiser,

cruiser and battlecruiser,

battlecruiser and grand cruiser,

grandcruiser and battleship

more apparent.

Smaller escorts/ light cruisers mean you'd get more on a sprue, larger battleships mean more impressive centerpiece models.
And none of the old stuff needs to be invalidated, those old cruisers are just closer, while the new ones are far away.

No the current scale is fine.

Sadly I don't think they'll do the sensible thing and sell ships at the £10-15 Mark for plastic kits.

Gothic will have to compete not just with star wars armarda but halo and the dzc version, those all come in under £70 but I don't think you'll see gothic for less than £100.