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I'm planning on using Kill Team to further interest my kids into the game (and break away from their video game addition).
We've tried playing regular small games, but they lose interest as the game goes on. They also seem really excited to play 3-way battles, but until KT cam along, I had no idea how that would work.

So KT seems perfect as the games should be shorter, but I also would like to start adding more as we play more.
So has anyone played KTs with more than 200pts?
Is there a point level that it become too much?

I would think that as you approach 400pts the game starts to have too many models to flow properly, but that is just theory. I'd like to get about 300pts as the max as that seems about right to take 2-3 units per side.

I'd go max 250/300 if you'd have to. Vanilla Killteam won't really work with anything higher to be honest. It'll slow down the more guys you got running around.

Not sure about Haralds of Ruin, haven't played or looked into it yet.

I played in a 250 point tournament. It was about right. I might try 300 if the tournament played that high, but that's it.

I would not be interested in playing a 400 point Kill team.

I do Kill Team above 200 points because I put too many points into one model

Thanks for the feedback. I think I'll try to stick to 250 being the max

 The Grumpy Eldar wrote:
I'd go max 250/300 if you'd have to. Vanilla Killteam won't really work with anything higher to be honest. It'll slow down the more guys you got running around.

Not sure about Haralds of Ruin, haven't played or looked into it yet.

400 point kill teams are great.

Since HoR let you take multiple types of units and upgrade them at the arse, its not as bad, but there are more rules to remember.

For example i have a 400 point army of 3 assassins

We run at 300, but we've added a bunch of houserules to streamline.

It allows for a lot more flexibility though, and makes games more interesting.

Depends on the armies, I'd think. Kill Team with Deathwatch v. Grey Knights at 400pts could be ten models a side, but if the Lost and the Damned got in on it they could easily break 100 models and take days to play as one-model units.

Try to aim for under thirty models, maybe?

I think it can work great, but it needs a bit of restraint for sure. Maybe just a compulsory Elite or Fast Attack option would be enough in most cases? I'd probably look to Combat Patrol for anything over 300 points though.

Yeah, I am thinking 300pts max, 1 Troop required, but otherwise stick to the other KT rules as is. I try to avoid House rules if possible, especially since I am using this to teach my kids how to play the game. I don't want to confuse them with house rules.

I mean, when its literally you and your kids it doesn't really matter. The primary issue is that the more points you add, the more its possible to skew towards things like 50 Orks or something that forces the meta into counter spam (aka, 100 points more of what they're already taking) in order to deal with it. None of that matters when playing at home because you can just control the options to keep things varied.

LunarSol wrote:
I mean, when its literally you and your kids it doesn't really matter.

Well, my long term goal is to teach them how to play by the rules that everyone should play by, so that someday they can come to the game store with me and get their own game. If we play with a bunch of house rules, that isn't going to be a fun experience for them or any opponent they paly with.

That's generally why I don't like house rules. When you play in several different groups with several different competitive levels, like I do, it is rare that all groups and individuals use the same set of house rules. But everyone is generally familiar with the main rules, even if they aren't perfect.

Looking at it, 300 is the max I'd do. Just remember: armies like Necrons and Eldar get functionally funky at higher than that.

 Galef wrote:
That's generally why I don't like house rules. When you play in several different groups with several different competitive levels, like I do, it is rare that all groups and individuals use the same set of house rules. But everyone is generally familiar with the main rules, even if they aren't perfect.

Completely agree. You don't want to really change anything really. You might even want to do something to keep models that become available at the 300 point level out of the game under the assumption that other groups will stick to the 200 point limit. The example that springs to mind is Solitaire in Harlequins, who technically works in Killteam but costs too much to fit in a 200 point list and reach the 4 non-vehicle model limit. Maybe make it so they start with something that fits at 200 points and then get +100 to add to it so their 300 lists aren't something like 3 units that cost 120/130/50 and don't trim down to 200 well.

but I think the simple answer is: You'll find people that don't have a problem bumping it up to 300 points.

After you play a couple games vs kill team list of conscripts, ork boys or genecult you will forfeit any further ideas of repeating.

The sheer amount of time required to move, run and shoot with several dozens of "units" is appaling. And then we have the break tests.

So i d say 300 max if you need to squeeze something extra and your friends arent trolls.

Even 200 pts game with 40 hormagants takes almost as long as 1500pts normal game because of instinctive behaviour.