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Hey. New to AoS (tbh, wargaming in general) needs help with army building.

As my 1st (ever) army I wanted to colect Skaven army. All hail the Horned Rat.
My fav minies are Stormfiends and Stormvermin but I'm more into Clan Skryre.
For some1 new what would you suggest? Start with 2k army or try with 1k 1st?
I know that some people are playing with 1,5k but I don't know with any1 (in my town) is playing any ranked matches with 1,5k army.

I have noticed in one or two topics that some of you suggest for 2k Sryre, Skryre Batallion with 2 x Goutfyre Skorch Enginecoven. Personaly, I was thinking about 1x Goutfyre Skorch Enginecoven and 1 x Arkhspark Voltik.Enginecoven - What do you think about this? Is this setup much worse then 2 x Goutfyre Skorch Enginecoven? And here is additional question (because I dont have any experience with normal or leage matches), how seriously people are building their armies? Are they exploiting to max their fav Alliance/Army? How funny is playing league matches without overclocking to the max you army?

Do you have any suggestions for 1k army? Maybe with Stormfiends but not necessarily? Is there any possibility to have good Skryre 1k army? Or you have to go with Clan rats as a battleline?
Or, is it possible to have good 1k league army and with some modification good 1,5k army for casual play?

I will be glad for any help.

Welcome to AoS.

League seriousness depends a lot on your local group. Some are cheesed to the max, others can be fairly casual. Check on some of local game stores.

If you don't like clanrats, you have to go pure skyre, which means your 1000 pts army would be something like

1 archwarlock
1 warlock
2 x 3 stormfiends
1 warpfire thrower
1 warpgrinder

Then building up to 2000 you add

1 warlock
1 x 3 stormfiends
1 warp lightning cannon
Clan Skyre battalion

This leaves you with 220 pts leftover for whatever you like.

Do note that gautfyre is considered rather cheesey. If you want to use any non-skyre units you will need to have clanrats as battleline, which aren't that bad imho.

Is it imporant to have any Battalion in 1k range? Or is it better rather to focus on "small" but usefull army?
My friend pointed me out that i can have problem with capturing points with Skryre army because I will have less models in objective range. Isn't stormfiends built only to wipeout enemy in sec?
What is your opinion about completing objectives on map (during game) with Sryre army - I mean they dont have lot of models, isn't it sth uncommon for Skaven?

I think I will focus on 1k Leage if there is enough interested people and leave 2k - dark side is whispering to loud inside me (to have 2x Goutfyre Skorch Enginecoven) :/ I prefer sth more interesting/diverse rather then simply multiplication of 1 OP unite.

According to your proposision. Do you think Warp Grinder Weapon Team is needed even if stormfiends with warpfire projectors have 8' range?
What is more, what weapon do you suggest to 1k army for stormfiends? Still warpfire projectors? What about gountlets or ratling, are the good?

Objectives will always be a problem with any army with low model count. If you are going yo focus on 1K leagues, you can postpone building towards gautfyre because it is only viable in 2K points.

If you plan on sticking with skyre you have to clear out most objectives as you can't really challenge them with you numbers. you'll focus on killing stuff to prevent them from claiming points. The warp grinder is there to deliver some stormfiends in the backfield. You don't have to bring all warpfire throwers as I dont think you can build them all as such with just 1 box. The others have better range I think. You can also exhange the warpgrinder for another warlock for added magic support, or you can drop both weapon teams and bring clanrats to hold objectives instead.

I had some success in a non-hyper but still competitive surrounding with this list (Won +- 60% of the games with it) and it gives a laugh in the good old Skaven style from time to time if your own stuff explodes or your opponent gets to move your doomwheel through your rankes etc...

LEADERS
Warlock Engineer (100)
Arch Warlock (140)
UNITS
Clanrats x 20 (120)
- Rusty Blade
Clanrats x 20 (120)
- Rusty Blade
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Warp Grinder Weapon Team x 1 (100)
Ratling Gun Weapon Team x 1 (80)
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)
WAR MACHINES
Doomwheel (140)
WOUNDS:
74
TOTAL POINTS:
980 / 1000

Basic tactic: Move the clanrats as a shield with IP in front, anything that charges in gets flamed/zapped by the doomwheel and wizards, When you have the opportunity to not leave it in a dangerous combat you can even run over some enemies with the Doomwheel. The second clanrats are there to take over once the first line is gone.

The warp grinder and ratling gun can deep strike to kill enemy artillery or damage long range units and give a problem behind enemy lines that can't be ignored. (so they cannot focus on your formation)

The only real problem I have had with this list were stuff like the Celestial Prime's meteor strike, Bloodthirster of IR's Outrageous carnage, Night Goblin's shaman's spell that can possibly wipe out all weapon teams in one hit when moving in formation, or hyper shooty lists that could take out all the weapon teams before they come in range.

I found stormfiends, though a great unit a bit expensive in 1000 pts games as they lack move-ability and I find weapon teams far more cost efficient in smaller games (you have 5 weapon teams for the cost of 3 stormfiends and they are seperate units so can all claim objectives if necessary). When going to 2000 or 2500 add them in. Off course a lot of players will say the opposite.


as for the formation with the massive deepstriking mortal wound output, see how your environment is, I personally would not bother playing against it and I do not think anyone I know would as it is a cheesy gamebreaking formation and I think someone @ GW was smoking something quite exotic when they wrote those rules as they really take the fun out of a game. Nothing funny when you start a game and loose on average all your good units turn one ( I mean that is killing 3 monsters and then some, easy kill of 1000-1200 pts leaving the other half of the army for turn 2) and then have to sit the rest of the battle out.
So check if everyone is playing dirty OP stuff in your surroundings (because in that case you will have to too) before you bother collecting and painting those models.

Thanks for your replies. Didn't expect so quick help. Hope you don't mind all those questions. I understand it's very niche hobby and it could be pointless for me to buy army I will not enjoy and loose every game only becasue I'm not exploiting rules.
What's more I don't mind haveing non Skryre army. I do like Skavens for they inanity and madness in action. But noone can denied that stormfiends are badass and look badass.

Feel free to give other interesting ideas for 1k army.

Thanks one more for help

I don't think battalions are absolutely necessary in 1000 pts, as most of the battalions for skaven are much more viable in larger scale battles.

Also if you are worried about not enjoying the game, I agree that you should check out your local gaming groups and see how they play. There's more to the hobby than just playing to win. Some groups might just be into playing narrative campaigns for the fun of it. Also there's the painting and modelling side that you might enjoy.

If you like the models, then go ahead and buy them. Then if you are playing matched play only, find the other stuff that will make them playable.

So I would suggest the following to start with:

1 x Archwarlock or Warlock
1 x 3 Stormfiends
1 x 20 Stormvermin
2 x 10 or 20 Clanrats for battleline.

This would be 800-920 pts. Then you can add some secondary heroes such as a warlord to lead your stormvermin.

There's also the Verminus Clawpack battalion, which is pretty much a mix of Verminus and Skyre anyway so you can use that as your base for 1000 pts, and add the stormfiends and other things as you go for 1500 pts and up. Something like this:

1 Skaven Warlord
1 Skaven Warlock
2 x 10 Clanrats with blades
1 x 20 Clanrats with spears (position behind the blades)
1 x 20 Stormvermin
3 x Warpfire Thrower or Poisoned Wind Mortar Teams
Verminus Clawpack battalion
That way you can make the Warlock the general so he can give inspiring presence, and give the warlord a crown of command so he can throw another inspiring presence along with his gnash gnaw ability. Battleshock is a concern for skaven after all.

I had quite tough decision to make. Still not 100% sure if it is at least ok but I think I will give it a try
Will be better to have 10x clanrats with blades and 30x clanrats with spears in 2nd line (behind blades) and boosted by Warlord? Or 20x sword + 20x spear to have a bit better crowd control?

Now I have to find Island of blood with not painted skaven army :/

But If any of you or some1 new in this thread would like to give me new suggestions it will be more than welcome.

Leaders
Arch Warlock (140)
- Artefact: Crown of Conquest
Skaven Warlord (100)
- General
- Shield & Warpforged Blade
- Artefact: Crown of Conquest
Units
Stormfiends x 3 (300)
- Warpfire Projectors
Clanrats x 20 (120)
- Rusty Blade
Clanrats x 20 (120)
- Rusty Spear
Warp Grinder Weapon Team x 1 (100)
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team x 1 (60)
Total: 1000/2000

The grinder works well with the ratling gun team, you really want more then 9" range for the unit you send with the grinder so the flamers won't do. Otherwhise they will be sitting duck till next turn and probably not be alive.

Also, you can only take 1 artifact. (the second is if you take a battalion)

I have additional question only because I found something new.
There is sth called ForgWorld and they have few models for almst every faction. Brood Horror and rat wolfs are amazing, are those models used in pitch battles? Where i can find point cost for those models?
Are ForgeWorld models used in normal battler only?
Are those armies playable?

Yes. The matched play points should be in the download section for AoS here:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-EU/Downloads