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Good evening gentry and ladies alike, and step right up for another update on MoO's ongoing study of a Timmy.

Well, I do assume that some of you remember a certain individual whom was very good at bringing too many points, rolling just the right powers and forgetting rules at critical moments? Good, you do.

so, it is now some months on since my last post about this and in all honesty I have not seen much of Timmy and I have played him less (read, twice. Once because I didnt bother to check who I was replying too, and once because he got me when I was weak [read, several hours into a cider session]). He has been mainly getting up to his own thing and working on new projects, facing some others once or twice and mainly boasting over chat about his new units, or commentin on what he wants to get.
Until recently.
You see, Timmy saw the new Custodes and of course knew that he had to have some. In fact he had to have as many as he could get to bolster his legions with, and he quickly began acquiring them, boasting about how good they would be. Until a couple of us pointed out one little flaw in his plan: He only runs traitors. Well, this just would not do and so Timmy did what every sane player would not do: He started building his own legion, primarch and all.
The first thing that myself, the Viking Pirate and another player we shall call "Horus the Cheese" (an awesome guy, and really fun to face. Primarily an Ork player) knew about this plan was when Timmy messaged the former two (he doesnt really talk to Horus the Cheese any more - mainly due to reasons) about his new project. Uh-oh.

This new legion is apparently supposed to be one of the forgotten ones, called the Soul-Eater's, and they are apparently still loyal to the Emperor, allowing them to use Custodes. They are supposed to be an Assault/Buff Psychic themed army. Not too bad so far. Now, the Primarch had already been created, and it turns out that Gene has faced him (being very new to 40K Gene is an easy victim), and he is described as being a "weaker version of Angron/Horus (I cannot remember which) and so a little cheaper. He has no shooting attacks and is purely a melee focused character. This was as afar as Timmy had got and he decided to ask for help with the Legion rules. Sure I thought, and I wrote up a few rules and a unit for him, mainly in an attempt to force balance into this (that and I was bored) and he appeared to accept them (though doubtless they will be changed). Anyway, I digress. Timmy wrote two characters, one of whom is basically Tigerius, and a unit (essentially Raptors) and the RoW. Noe this is where the three of us just face palmed.

(remember that this is an assault/buff psychic themed army)
Timmy's RoW:
Benefits;
>Veterans are compulsory troops
>Devastators and one of the unique units (one I designed - essentially Dev's that can gain Ignores Cover and BS 5 if they pass an LD check, but lose a model if they fail it. Also they can only have HB's, AC's and one of the unique weapons that is basically a 15 point Assault 5 AP 4 Bolter) are non compulsory troops
>All units have move through cover
>All units have Shrouded
>The army gains an extra troops slot
>D3+1 enemy units can only snapfire on the first turn

Limitations (yes, he actually called these limitations)
>One Veteran unit must take a Land Raider as a dedicated transport. The Land Raider takes up a Troops slot (so yes, it can score)
>The army gains an extra Troops slot that must be used (I wonder what for....)
>You may take a Librarian as a free HQ choice.

And he actually thinks that this is balanced Suffice to say we really want to be there when he tries to use it at the club.

...

Joking, right? This is a joke?

Edit: Where can I find the rest of the info on this "Timmy" guy?

I don't get it.

Why doesn't he just go unbound and play it all together?

Do people at your club regularly make up their own rules and expect them to be accepted wholesale?

They're called the Soul-Eater's what? Soul-Eater's Hunger? I'm assuming the apostrophe is not supposed to be there?

It's...odd? I can't really find a good logical connection between the effects of the Rite to help produce a solution, and without the Thousand Sons legion rules I don't want to recommend anything on the psychic front lest I inadvertently create better psykers than the supreme psykers.

The Rite of War looks like it's trying to grab the benefits of multiple common Rites and stick them together, without an idea of what they're trying to do I'm going to recommend not having one unless you guys can find something that a vanilla Rite doesn't do.


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 Purifier wrote:
I don't get it.

Why doesn't he just go unbound and play it all together?

Do people at your club regularly make up their own rules and expect them to be accepted wholesale?

Unbound isn't explicitly allowed in 30k the way it is in 40k; you'd probably have a very difficult time convincing a 30k player to play against an unbound army (especially given the ease with which you can mix and match characters and move random stuff into Troops).

You know MoO I never genuinely wishb someone to fail at something but by the Emperor I hope you take his special snowflake legion and crush it into powder. I'm quite familiar with your stories of "Timmy" and I just don't see how you do it man, to play someone as unrepentant and just tfgish and not get fed up. I'm petitioning the ecclesiarchy to elevate you to saint status XD

 Ir0njack wrote:
You know MoO I never genuinely wishb someone to fail at something but by the Emperor I hope you take his special snowflake legion and crush it into powder. I'm quite familiar with your stories of "Timmy" and I just don't see how you do it man, to play someone as unrepentant and just tfgish and not get fed up. I'm petitioning the ecclesiarchy to elevate you to saint status XD

Can you link me to these other Timmy stories? I'm curious.

JNAProductions wrote:...

Joking, right? This is a joke?

Edit: Where can I find the rest of the info on this "Timmy" guy?

In chronological order:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/654799.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/660763.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/698693.page

Purifier wrote:I don't get it.

Why doesn't he just go unbound and play it all together?

Do people at your club regularly make up their own rules and expect them to be accepted wholesale?

They're called the Soul-Eater's what? Soul-Eater's Hunger? I'm assuming the apostrophe is not supposed to be there?

Well, unbound is generally not allowed in 30K (thankfully). This is one thing that Timmy has never liked.

AnomanderRake wrote:It's...odd? I can't really find a good logical connection between the effects of the Rite to help produce a solution, and without the Thousand Sons legion rules I don't want to recommend anything on the psychic front lest I inadvertently create better psykers than the supreme psykers.

The Rite of War looks like it's trying to grab the benefits of multiple common Rites and stick them together, without an idea of what they're trying to do I'm going to recommend not having one unless you guys can find something that a vanilla Rite doesn't do.

It pretty much is.
As for the name I have no idea.
And no, we usually do not have homebrewed rules/units in play. Of course sometimes someone has a good idea and so long as their opponent is fine with it, it goes.

Ir0njack wrote:You know MoO I never genuinely wishb someone to fail at something but by the Emperor I hope you take his special snowflake legion and crush it into powder. I'm quite familiar with your stories of "Timmy" and I just don't see how you do it man, to play someone as unrepentant and just tfgish and not get fed up. I'm petitioning the ecclesiarchy to elevate you to saint status XD

I dont really face him anymore, what with having better things to do than waste my time with a cheat who likes to whine and complain everytime someone does something he does not like. EG, life. However, as shown above these matches do occasionally happen, and his cheating rarely helps. In the last two:
3K game. He deployed outside of his deployment zone (the triangle one from the 30K book) and may have been over points (didnt really matter). He lost almost everything.
1K game (managed to talk the size down from 2K after I came round and found out what had happened) He won, 3 to 1. And later on turned out to have brought over 1.5K's worth of stuff. Confronted him on it and havnt played him since.
He has also faced the Viking Pirate and we are pretty sure he has cheated against him as well, not that it helped him.

 master of ordinance wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:It's...odd? I can't really find a good logical connection between the effects of the Rite to help produce a solution, and without the Thousand Sons legion rules I don't want to recommend anything on the psychic front lest I inadvertently create better psykers than the supreme psykers.

The Rite of War looks like it's trying to grab the benefits of multiple common Rites and stick them together, without an idea of what they're trying to do I'm going to recommend not having one unless you guys can find something that a vanilla Rite doesn't do.

It pretty much is.
As for the name I have no idea.
And no, we usually do not have homebrewed rules/units in play. Of course sometimes someone has a good idea and so long as their opponent is fine with it, it goes.

I don't know if it's a good idea or a bad idea, I don't know what the Legion is supposed to be doing and why it isn't just getting played as one of the others. I'm especially confused as to why a psychic/melee Legion has a Rite that gives no psychic or melee benefits. Is he trying to be psychic? Melee? Gunline? Armoured? If he was just being a munchkin we could have a constructive discussion about making his Legion work but he's being a schizoid munchkin who can't decide what he wants to munchkin, I don't know where to start.

Admittedly, it's a little petty of me, but I love clobbering guys like that in 40K. Resoundingly winning against a cheater while you yourself are playing completely straight is just the best.

Bonus points if they throw dice.

Why would you play with this jabroni? A 40k game takes like 3 hours, why would you spend it playing with this character if he pulls stuff like this?

 AnomanderRake wrote:
It's...odd? I can't really find a good logical connection between the effects of the Rite to help produce a solution, and without the Thousand Sons legion rules I don't want to recommend anything on the psychic front lest I inadvertently create better psykers than the supreme psykers.

The Rite of War looks like it's trying to grab the benefits of multiple common Rites and stick them together, without an idea of what they're trying to do I'm going to recommend not having one unless you guys can find something that a vanilla Rite doesn't do.


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 Purifier wrote:
I don't get it.

Why doesn't he just go unbound and play it all together?

Do people at your club regularly make up their own rules and expect them to be accepted wholesale?

Unbound isn't explicitly allowed in 30k the way it is in 40k; you'd probably have a very difficult time convincing a 30k player to play against an unbound army (especially given the ease with which you can mix and match characters and move random stuff into Troops).

Oh, thought this was 40k.

He apparently feels he can't compete at similar points levels, why don't you offer him a rule that he gets to use extra points over his opponent and just make it all above board?

I believe handicaps are even suggested in the 40k rule book.

Brother SRM wrote:Why would you play with this jabroni? A 40k game takes like 3 hours, why would you spend it playing with this character if he pulls stuff like this?

Only when he sends out a challenge when one is drunk, tired or focusing on something else.

nareik wrote:He apparently feels he can't compete at similar points levels, why don't you offer him a rule that he gets to use extra points over his opponent and just make it all above board?

I believe handicaps are even suggested in the 40k rule book.

Ah yes, but you see, you have to get into the Timmy mindset. If he asks for a handicap then he is admitting that he is not the best player ever in 40K and likewise his ego will take a huge hit. Ergo he insists on playing at above a set points value without the opponent knowing, otherwise he would have to admit that he is not the best general ever to play 40K.
It is the same with Timmy's everywhere.

Just finished reading this and the rest of the Timmy Saga. Gotta say he's hilarious.

I kind of hope that you'll record a game with him sometime so we can have some ghits and shiggles.

 master of ordinance wrote:
This new legion is apparently supposed to be one of the forgotten ones, called the Soul-Eater's, and they are apparently still loyal to the Emperor, allowing them to use Custodes.

Still a better love story than Ultramarines. Also lol@ "Soul-Eater's"..

The Soul-Eater's Chicken Shack - it's appendage-lickin' good!

Limitations (yes, he actually called these limitations)
[...]
>You may take a Librarian as a free HQ choice.

Free Librarian - truly a crippling flaw.


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?

This is nuts....truly nuts.

Why do people think that their opponents should let them have such an adavantage over them like this?

 BBAP wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
This new legion is apparently supposed to be one of the forgotten ones, called the Soul-Eater's, and they are apparently still loyal to the Emperor, allowing them to use Custodes.

Still a better love story than Ultramarines. Also lol@ "Soul-Eater's"..

The Soul-Eater's Chicken Shack - it's appendage-lickin' good!

Limitations (yes, he actually called these limitations)
[...]
>You may take a Librarian as a free HQ choice.

Free Librarian - truly a crippling flaw.


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?

Free.... Gah. Free.... Its still loyal so can use best units ... Yet its lost and classed as a banned subject to primarchs even. Yet emperor just loves the guy lol

All of that.



Seriously!

I'm all for homebrew and all that.... But try to keep it balanced! bad timmy!

 jhe90 wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
This new legion is apparently supposed to be one of the forgotten ones, called the Soul-Eater's, and they are apparently still loyal to the Emperor, allowing them to use Custodes.

Still a better love story than Ultramarines. Also lol@ "Soul-Eater's"..

The Soul-Eater's Chicken Shack - it's appendage-lickin' good!

Limitations (yes, he actually called these limitations)
[...]
>You may take a Librarian as a free HQ choice.

Free Librarian - truly a crippling flaw.


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?

Free.... Gah. Free.... Its still loyal so can use best units ... Yet its lost and classed as a banned subject to primarchs even. Yet emperor just loves the guy lol

There is a photo of their Primarch an the Big E bro-fisting in the Black Library, the Primarch (who is still with them and happens to be viable in the Free Psyker HQ slot) keeps a copy of it in his wallet to show off whenever he needs cool stuff from the Relics.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
This new legion is apparently supposed to be one of the forgotten ones, called the Soul-Eater's, and they are apparently still loyal to the Emperor, allowing them to use Custodes.

Still a better love story than Ultramarines. Also lol@ "Soul-Eater's"..

The Soul-Eater's Chicken Shack - it's appendage-lickin' good!

Limitations (yes, he actually called these limitations)
[...]
>You may take a Librarian as a free HQ choice.

Free Librarian - truly a crippling flaw.


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?

Free.... Gah. Free.... Its still loyal so can use best units ... Yet its lost and classed as a banned subject to primarchs even. Yet emperor just loves the guy lol

There is a photo of their Primarch an the Big E bro-fisting in the Black Library, the Primarch (who is still with them and happens to be viable in the Free Psyker HQ slot) keeps a copy of it in his wallet to show off whenever he needs cool stuff from the Relics.

And despite being "lost" hebuses magic photo to get all cool weapons, and latest gear. The legion has 100 titans, bane blades and hundreds of rare warmachines!

Its got the best gear, and the primarch was the true codex writer. Guliman got so jelous he copied his book lol

 jhe90 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 BBAP wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
This new legion is apparently supposed to be one of the forgotten ones, called the Soul-Eater's, and they are apparently still loyal to the Emperor, allowing them to use Custodes.

Still a better love story than Ultramarines. Also lol@ "Soul-Eater's"..

The Soul-Eater's Chicken Shack - it's appendage-lickin' good!

Limitations (yes, he actually called these limitations)
[...]
>You may take a Librarian as a free HQ choice.

Free Librarian - truly a crippling flaw.


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?

Free.... Gah. Free.... Its still loyal so can use best units ... Yet its lost and classed as a banned subject to primarchs even. Yet emperor just loves the guy lol

There is a photo of their Primarch an the Big E bro-fisting in the Black Library, the Primarch (who is still with them and happens to be viable in the Free Psyker HQ slot) keeps a copy of it in his wallet to show off whenever he needs cool stuff from the Relics.

And despite being "lost" hebuses magic photo to get all cool weapons, and latest gear. The legion has 100 titans, bane blades and hundreds of rare warmachines!

Its got the best gear, and the primarch was the true codex writer. Guliman got so jelous he copied his book lol

Oh SNAP!!! I didn't even think about that. Mucho creds for digging Timmy and Girlyman at the same time!

Subscribed. Tactical popcorn dispatched to location.
Please provide updates...

This is fantastic. Those limitations are hilarious. I want to see how this plays out.

 BBAP wrote:


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?

He has (too my knowledge) complained about:

Tyranids melee being over powered

Genestealer Cults being too good

Patriarchs in particular

Ork numbers

Morkanoughts

Spacewolf outflanking

Imperial Guard numbers

Imperial Guard orders - they are OP, especially FRFSRF

Imperial Guard tank spam - six Leman Russ. He has been known to bring eight tanks plus a Typhon and none LR dedicated transports to a single game before now

Imperial Guard shooting phases

Deathwatch shooting

Deathwatch Frag Cannons

None shadowsword Baneblade chassis

Sentinels

Lasguns (no, I am not making this up, he actually thinks Lasguns are OP)

Hellguns

Macro Cannon turrets

Cover (unless it is his Marines that are taking advantage of it)

As for an update, well I have not heard anything more yet, except that he is building up his new legion (alongside the three other official ones).

 master of ordinance wrote:
Genestealer Cults being too good

Patriarchs in particular

If he honestly believes that he should roll a round of CC against one of my Patriarchs - that'd shut him up right quick. Mine struggle against Warp Spiders.

Has he ever agreed to an army swap? I doubt he will as that would jeopardize his ego, but still. Maybe refuse to play him until he does. And obviously flat out refuse to play his made up legion if he refuses to accept any form of balance.

(I mean, a free libby being BAD? In what world are free units bad? Or at worst, a major discount on a land raider.)

Lasguns (no, I am not making this up, he actually thinks Lasguns are OP)

Of course, the standard issue flashlight, in all its wondrous versatility and competence, is obviously far superior to the exploding missile rounds of the Adeptus Astartes, the futuristic almost magical alien superguns and the wrath of evil gods.

The ubiquitous lasgun strikes again.

 Wolfblade wrote:
Has he ever agreed to an army swap? I doubt he will as that would jeopardize his ego, but still. Maybe refuse to play him until he does. And obviously flat out refuse to play his made up legion if he refuses to accept any form of balance.

(I mean, a free libby being BAD? In what world are free units bad? Or at worst, a major discount on a land raider.)

Jimmy gonna be bleeding kill points with that librarian perilsing about everywhere!

nareik wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:
Has he ever agreed to an army swap? I doubt he will as that would jeopardize his ego, but still. Maybe refuse to play him until he does. And obviously flat out refuse to play his made up legion if he refuses to accept any form of balance.

(I mean, a free libby being BAD? In what world are free units bad? Or at worst, a major discount on a land raider.)

Jimmy gonna be bleeding kill points with that librarian perilsing about everywhere!

Basic.. Make him pay for every upgrade...
But being Timmy ... Free relics and TDA....

Refuse to play that legion...
If you do he only say you did it once before... Why not now.n

It's kind of funny how different Timmy who plays 40k is from Timmy who plays Magic the Gathering - which Timmy came first?