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From what I have gathered, it's possible to build an all Spawn list these days, either as a CSM or renegades and heretics army.

As it happens, I have 80 some spawn models sitting around. While I know this would be like 4000 points, it might be worth trying.

My question is what do you call this kind of list these days? Is it a skew list? I used to run a list in 5th that was a CL and 2 squads of CSM plus 36 spawn models. It ran up a string of successive victories I have yet to repeat.

Back then, it was called a spam list and considered dirty. Same apply now?

Depends. Do you tell your opponent? Then you're fine. Do you say "Hey, let's play a friendly, cheese-free game!" and then do that? You're TFG.

 techsoldaten wrote:
I used to run a list in 5th that was a CL and 2 squads of CSM plus 36 spawn models. It ran up a string of successive victories I have yet to repeat.

Back then, it was called a spam list and considered dirty. Same apply now?

Weren't spawn awful back in 5th though?

I think a spawn heavy army would be pretty cool (in fact, that's what I'd want to do if I were to ever run Chaos/Word Bearers). If you wanted to 'forge a narrative,' you could also throw in a lot of chosen, possessed and aspiring champions. All of which could give you some pretty interesting modelling opportunities.

A list comprised entirely of what are arguably the best beasts in the game right now?

Bring it, b . However it would be nice if I were notified instead of expecting a regular CSM game. Not that I'm going to tailor my list, it would just be nice to know.

(Actually wait before I say can Spawn be given cancer? Because otherwise my Skitarii are screwed.)

Heh, no, I am not even sure I would try to run it. Any opponent would know what's happening before a game starts. And I know such a list is not competitive, let's get that out of the way right now.

More where I am coming from is the fact it is something you can do again in 7th edition and what to make of it. Formations and Detachments are things I am just beginning to get my head around, since CSM didn't really have any great options outside a CAD until the release of Traitor Legions. There are suddenly all these options.

If someone builds a battle forged army consisting of multiple formations of a single unit, is that really a bad thing? I understand it might not be as fun to play against as something more diverse, but does it rise to the level of being something bad to do as a player?

In 5th edition, Spawn were considered the worst unit in the CSM book due to the mindless rule. The thing was, there was no limit to the number you could take in the FOC chart, and there were big advantages in numbers. They would move 18 inches a turn and assault. While you might be able to shoot up a few units, the rest of them were going to get your whole army into close combat. There was not much thinking with that army, it just won every game.

This was cruel to do to opponents - but because there was no hard counter. Knights, Flyers, Fortifications, D-Weapons, overpowered Codexes, etc did not exist back then, and it was mostly safe to ignore tanks. 7th edition is different, that same list might not do too much against a Knight, it would not be able to touch a flyer, a couple units of scatterbikes used properly could flatten it, and D-Weapons would take out entire spawn units each time it shoots.

So I don't think this rises to the level of something horrible to do to an opponent. There is still a way to win against it with many (most) lists. But I am interested in the community's opinion and what others make of it.

If I am noticing the potential to do it, other people are too.

There are quite a few ways to run lots of spawn.

Fill out a minimum chaos marine warband and you can then take unlimited spawn as auxiliaries in a few different detachments (best legions for this are death guard, black legion or word bearers, as you can make them nurgle marked)

Or
The imperial armour siege of vraks purge army list lets you take 6 elite choices per cheap hq. Renegade spawn only come in units of 3 but are much cheaper.

Or
IA13 renegade list. Take a warlord who is a tzeentch mutant overlord and you can take 4 units of spawn, which are obsec troop choices.
Of course you can combine the above as you see fit.

Tonight I took an army of nothing except stock Inquisitors.
No Power Armor, Power Weapons, or any other wargear.
I told my opponent first, of course. He took naught but stock CSM and Cultists.

It was gloooorious.



So yeah, go ahead with the spawn. Tell your opponent first, it'll be good for a laugh.

Won't be anything close to 4000pts with R&H as they get 3 spawn for 55pts and the Purge detachments mandatory is 1HQ and 2 elites (with up to 6 elites) and Spawn count as elites in R&H. No marks of Nurgle though.

Purge Detachment (X3)

Renegade Command Squad
6 units of 3 spawn
375pts (X3)

so 3 detachments with 54 spawn altogether is only 1125pts.
That leaves you with 725pts for artillery (and 12 HS slots) in a 1850pt game.
For Renegades, that is a LOT of artillery (and all artillery is T7 including their crew and the pieces themselves have a 3+). For example that 725pts could get you to go along with your spawn:

3 rapier laser destroyers with militia training (TL bs3 st9 ap1 ordnance weapons)

3 rapier laser destroyers with militia training

1 Earthshaker cannon

1 Earthshaker cannon

1 Earthshaker cannon

1 Earthshaker cannon

2 Wyverns

2 Quad mortars (8 st5 barrage blast templates for the unit)

2 Quad Mortars

2 Quad mortars

2 Autocannons and a Lascannon for the Command Squads

Ordnance Tyrant for your warlord which basically means that all of your barrage artillery can fire at opponents units locked in combat with your own (pretty nifty with 18 units of spawn).

1850pts (inc the aforementioned spawn detachments)


The added bonus is that the Purge detachment means all barrage templates stay in play for a turn and create dangerous terrain (that's 32 small blasts and 4 large blasts in up to 8 different locations).

If in a friendly I would strongly suggest you warn people if bringing such a list though.

80 spawn minis??? Bruh. How? Lmao that we an hilarious list to play agaisnt.

Imagine 54 T6 3 wound models running up the table if they were all nurgle oh my bones you would need like 4 taunars to kill that before it got to you.

 drunken0elf wrote:
80 spawn minis??? Bruh. How? Lmao that we an hilarious list to play agaisnt.

Several friends sold me their armies after leaving the gaming scene. Every spawn model GW and Forgeworld ever created is represented in my collection, plus dozens of models from the spawn kits.

The times I played a spawn rush list in 5th edition were fun. Usually, an opponent would kite the spawn with something they can't kill while other units shoot at them. But spawn models occupy a lot of space on the table and units can't occupy the same space, so the rest of the force would end up being closer than the kite as they piled in. The CL and the CSMs also had meltaguns and bombs for killing tanks, which I don't remember actually ever using.

None of these tactics matter because mass mindless is no longer a tactic and I doubt I would actually run the list. It just seems like 7th edition makes lists like this less dirty, and it would not be cruel of me as a player to use it. The rules certainly permit such a thing.


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Poly Ranger wrote:
Won't be anything close to 4000pts with R&H as they get 3 spawn for 55pts and the Purge detachments mandatory is 1HQ and 2 elites (with up to 6 elites) and Spawn count as elites in R&H. No marks of Nurgle though.

Purge Detachment (X3)

Renegade Command Squad
6 units of 3 spawn
375pts (X3)

so 3 detachments with 54 spawn altogether is only 1125pts.
That leaves you with 725pts for artillery (and 12 HS slots) in a 1850pt game.
For Renegades, that is a LOT of artillery (and all artillery is T7 including their crew and the pieces themselves have a 3+). For example that 725pts could get you to go along with your spawn:

3 rapier laser destroyers with militia training (TL bs3 st9 ap1 ordnance weapons)

3 rapier laser destroyers with militia training

1 Earthshaker cannon

1 Earthshaker cannon

1 Earthshaker cannon

1 Earthshaker cannon

2 Wyverns

2 Quad mortars (8 st5 barrage blast templates for the unit)

2 Quad Mortars

2 Quad mortars

2 Autocannons and a Lascannon for the Command Squads

Ordnance Tyrant for your warlord which basically means that all of your barrage artillery can fire at opponents units locked in combat with your own (pretty nifty with 18 units of spawn).

1850pts (inc the aforementioned spawn detachments)


The added bonus is that the Purge detachment means all barrage templates stay in play for a turn and create dangerous terrain (that's 32 small blasts and 4 large blasts in up to 8 different locations).

If in a friendly I would strongly suggest you warn people if bringing such a list though.

Oh good lord. I hadn't thought about that, and it certainly isn't cheesy.

You ever thought about using Giant Spawn? They are slow and suffer to mid strength firepower but are only 80pts each and hit like a truck in assault. You also get 3 for 1 LoW choice.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 drunken0elf wrote:
80 spawn minis??? Bruh. How? Lmao that we an hilarious list to play agaisnt.

Several friends sold me their armies after leaving the gaming scene. Every spawn model GW and Forgeworld ever created is represented in my collection, plus dozens of models from the spawn kits.

That is beautiful I love the spawn minis, do you have pictures at all? The first miniatures I had cast to sell were based on the old spawn and mutants

 B Stores wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:

 drunken0elf wrote:
80 spawn minis??? Bruh. How? Lmao that we an hilarious list to play agaisnt.

Several friends sold me their armies after leaving the gaming scene. Every spawn model GW and Forgeworld ever created is represented in my collection, plus dozens of models from the spawn kits.

That is beautiful I love the spawn minis, do you have pictures at all? The first miniatures I had cast to sell were based on the old spawn and mutants

I can take some. Assuming you are looking for just the older ones?

Any spawn are good, but I do like the old ones best Thank-you in advance!
(you can find my attempt at a spawn in the link in my sig- it's the abomination one )