http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/19.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net FLGS and the winner will win 350kr, which is about 35 euro. Because we have 5 WoC players we will NOT allow MoT or other sources for getting Ward Saves, for example Savage Orcs. The exceptions are -
1. HW/Shield
2. Characters, MI, and monsters are allowed to have Ward Saves.

So I wanted to try out a new list that I just came up with and I would like to have your opinion(s)!

[u][b]Heroes – 222pts[/b][/u]
[b]Orc Big Boss[/b]
Armor of Fortune
Gold Sigil Choppa
Shield

[b]Night Goblin Shaman[/b]
Lvl 2
Dispel Scroll
Dragonbane Gem

[u][b]Core Units – 581pts[/b][/u]
[b]Orc Boyz[/b]
30 Orcs
Big’Uns
Additional Hand Weapon
FC
Razor Standard

[b]Night Goblins[/b]
20 Night Goblins
3 Fanatics

[b]Wolf Riders[/b]
8 Wolf Riders
Spear
Shield

[u][b]Special Units - 90pts[/b][/u]
Orc Boar Chariot
Extra Crew

[u][b]Rare Units – 105pts[/b][/u]
[b]3 River Trolls[/b]

Since i'm probably going to play against at least 2 WoC I tried to focus a lot on Strength over units. Hit them hard!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429958/3914849.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429958/3914849.page GMT
2 Night Goblin Warbosses w/Great Weapon,Light Armor/Shield on Great Cave Squig
4 Night Goblin Big Bosses w/ Great Weapon, Light Armor/Shield on Great Cave Squig
5 x 20 Night Goblins w/ 3 Fanatics each
10 Night Goblins Squig hoppers
3 x 36 night goblin Squig herders
4 snotling pump wagons
2 mangler Squig
Giant

Intent is to deploy and then see what the dice gods do.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429954/3914817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429954/3914817.page GMT And was wondering if an army built around the spider throne mount would work?
Here's what I was thinking - let me know if you think this could work or have experience using the spider throne

lvl3 with big spider and maybe channeling staff 4+ ward (channelling on 3+, loremaster)
lvl1 Night goblin (base spell with 2 dice) scroll caddy, maybe fire bound spell carrier
lvl2 orc shaman leaching scroll
lvl2 savage orc lucky head trooper
36 savage orcs
black orc boss general (keep someone in line so they can cast/hunt other wizards with sniper spells)
15-20 black orcs to babysit the other spell casters
cheap bsb with leadership banner
75 night goblins nets
2 doomdivers
2 rock lobbas
pump wagon
I'd try to get some wolf riders or spider riders in there and maybe another chariot of sorts (wolf chariots are cheap)
I'd try to wipe out the enemies warmachines, then hang back and pepper with magic getting on average 2-3 extra power & dispel dice a turn so hopefully control both magic phases and get into combat only after getting some decent spells off.

The spider is so expensive and the guy on top a little frail, but he does crank out some magic dice. Having the other casters close by and avoiding most of the animosity rolls, I should be able to do some damage.
I might have to drop the scroll caddy to grab points for riff-raff and to make sure I get the bsb in there.
Do you think it will work or is the spider guy too expensive and a waste of points?

I've only got around 100 Night gobbos, 30-40 forest gobbos and another 50 bow night goblins model wise, otherwise, I'd go with more goblins ~ which is why I'm putting so many orcs in there. that and for leadership animosity checks. I've found my big night goblin horde is actually not bad in combat, esp on the flank but they'll still need some help.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429860/3912881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429860/3912881.page GMT
Lord 325
Mok
Chaos rune sword
Talisman of preservation
Charmed shield

Exalted hero 200
Bsb  
Mok   
Shield 
Biting blade   
Dragon helm   
Talisman of endurance

Sorcerer 155
Lvl2 fire
Shreiking blade 
Dispell scroll

Sorcerer 135
Lvl2 fire
Warrior bane
Necrotic phylactery

43 marauders 265 bsb and lord here
Mok
Gw
Fc

46 marauders 280 sorcerer goes here
Mok
Gw
Fc

46 marauders 280 sorcerer goes here
Mok
Gw
Fc

7 Knights 300
Mok
Mus sb

7 Knights 300
Mok
Mus sb

6 Knights 260
Mok
Mus sb

2500]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429824/3912052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429824/3912052.page GMT WH due to serious issues with Gdub I have recently been thinking of getting back into the game and the opportunity to play in a 2000pt campaign/tourny has come up, there are three lists that I am considering, from three different armies :) was looking for some constructive criticism and thoughts regarding the lists and which is thought to be most viable.
Without further ado the lists are

2000pts Warriors of Chaos

Sorcerer Lord (405)
MOT, Disc of TZ, Infernal Puppet, Enchanted Shield, Talisman of Preservation

Exalted Champion (200)
MOT BSB Shield, Collar of Khorne, Sword of Swift Slaying

17 x Warriors of Chaos (330)
MOT, Shields, Standard, Musician, Rapturous Standard

18 x Warriors of Chaos (379)
MOT, Shields, Halberds, Standard, Musician, Banner of Rage

40 x Marauders of Chaos (242)
MOK, Flails, Standard, Musician

6 x Warhounds (30)
6 x Warhounds (30)

Chaos Chariot (120)
Chaos Chariot (120)

Chaos Warshrine (130)

Total - 1998

List #2 - 2000pts Empire

Archlector of Sigmar (286)
War Altar, GW, Armour of Meteoric Iron, Van Horstmans Spec

Captain (120)
BSB, Full Plate, Shield, White Cloak

Warrior Priest (124)
Heavy Armour, Enchanted Shield, Sword of Might

Battle Wizard (125)
Lvl 2, Dispel scroll

Battle Wizard (130)
Lvl2, Rod of Power

50 x Halberdiers (360)
Light Armour, Halberds, Full Command, 15 x Swordsmen detachment

30 x Flaggellants (300)
Flails

20 x Handgunners (165)
Musician

6 x Pistoliers (115)
Musician

Cannon (100)
Cannon (100)
Mortar (75)
Mortar (75)

Total - 2000

And Finally List #3 - 2000pts Lizardmen

Slann Mage Priest (410)
BSB, Focus of Mystery, Focus of Rumination, Cupped Hands, Bane Head

Scar Veteran (
Light Armour, Enchanted Shield, Sword of Striking, Dragonbane Gem, Iron Curse Icon

30 x Saurus Warriors (378)
Shield, Spear, Musician, Standard

13 x Skink Skirmishers (91)
12 x Skink Skirmishers (84)

20 x Temple Guard (391)
Full Command, Plaque of Dominion

Stegadon (235)

4 x Terradon Riders (120)

2 x Salamander Hunting Packs (160)
extra crew

Total - 1999

Well there they are, three different lists from three very different races :) I have some models to play with (especially for Empire and Chaos) so changes can be accommodated
thanks for the comments

Cheers

Papasmurf
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Exalted Hero
Khorne
Sword of swift slaying
Enchanted shield

Chaos Sorcerer
Seed of rebirth


12 Chaos Warriors
Khorne
Shields
Full command

10 Marauders
Nurgle
Light armor & shields
Full command


10 Marauders
Light armor & shields

10 Chaos Warhounds
Scaly skin

5 Chaos Knights
Full command

that leaves 8points which idk what to do with
probobly one of the potions that restore wounds

oh the less upgraded marauder unit is to baby sit the sorcerer

So any suggestions?????
So any suggestions?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429778/3911241.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429778/3911241.page GMT I'll be taking Beastmen and my opponent will be using Dwarfs - we're both getting back into fantasy after a big gap, and we've only had a handful of games of 8th edition (though I quite enjoy the changes, having played since 4th ed!)

In a few preliminary games (upto about 1500/2000pts) I've discovered that Dwarfs are pretty tough with the horde rules, that Crossbows/Thunderers are very nasty especially against unarmoured Beasties, and that artillery is even nastier. With that in mind I've come up with a preliminary list - idea is to try and take out/keep busy the ranged stuff so that my units arrive a little more intact, so far got this:

Beastlord = Crown of Horns
Shaman = Lv2, Staff of Darkoth
Shaman = Lv2, Hagtree Fetish
Wargor = BSB, Beast Banner, Heavy Armour, Gnarled Hide

24 Gor = 2x HW, FC
24 Gor = 2x HW, FC
25 Ungor = Spears, FC
10 Warhounds = Poisoned Attacks
10 Warhounds = Poisoned Attacks
Chariot

5 Minotaurs = 2x HW, FC, Bloodkine has Blackened Plate (because he relentlessly targets these with Flame Cannon!)
9 Harpies = Scouts
32 Bestigor = FC, Banner of Swiftness
[u]2492pts[/u]

Not sure on what magic lores to use for Shamans. Also a lot of stuff is in there just because I have the models, the 1 chariot for instance - feel free to pick the list apart, the only restriction I would say is on the number of minotaurs, I can't stomach the new models! Any and all help appreciated, thanks in advance. :) ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429721/3910402.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429721/3910402.page GMT
Lord- Doombull, additional hand weapon, gouge-tusks, gnarled hide,light armour- 279 points

Core- 20 Gor herds,fc,additional hand weapon-185 points
20 Gor herds,fc,additional hand weapon- 185 points
20 Gor herds,fc,additional hand weapon- 185 points

Special- 5 minotaurs,great weapons-315 points
30 Bestigor,fc-390 points

Rare- Jabberslythe-275 points

I am mostly play against Woc.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429687/3909858.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429687/3909858.page GMT lvl 4)
6 Chariots (musician)
25 Archers (musician)
3 Warsphinx (envenomed sting, fiery roar)
Scorpion
Casket
Necrosphinx (envenomed sting)
Catapult


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429672/3909557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429672/3909557.page GMT
10x Seaguard w/ Shields, Musician and Standard - 145
10x Seaguard w/ Shields, Musician and Standard - 145

10x White Lions w/ Musician, Standard and Guardian - 180
10x Phoenix Guard w/ Musician, Standard and KoF - 180

Great Eagle - 50
Great Eagle - 50

The Eagles were for the remaining 100 points that I had no idea what to do with. Like i've said, im new to Fantasy and dont know the rules too well, thanks for any advice in advance. Maybe instead of the Eagles I could put more points into the Special choices?


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Sorry, I just looked at the organization chart and just realized at 1000 points I cant take a lord :P I'll put up another one in the correct format later.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429625/3908625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429625/3908625.page GMT although please don't say ghouls as not having them in list.

Vampire lord
red fury, quick blood
armour silvered steel, dawnstone, iron curse icon, sword of might

Necromancer
master of dead, +1 magic level, dispell scroll

Necromancer
+1 magic level, cursed book

tomb banshee

tomb banshee

36 Skeletons
banner, musician

36 Skeletons
banner, musician

20 Zombies

20 Zombies

20 Grave Guard
full command, banner barrows

spirit host

spirit host

terrorghiest

THE PLAN (ultimate fail)
Vamp+grave guard =combat block. necromaner+banshee+skeleton x2 =character bunkers. zombies+spirit host redirecters/tarpits. terrorghiest flanking and screaming.
before anyone says zombies aren't big enough to tarpit they will be getting a lot of IoN.
my only worry is lack of a high level caster but vamplord is great]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429614/3908401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429614/3908401.page GMT
LORDS
Lord w/Shield, Horse, Virtue of Heroism, Heartwood Lance, Dawnstone - 234

Prophetess w/lvl 4, Lore of Beasts, Horse, Earthing Rod - 265

HEROES
Paladin w/BSB, Horse, Gromhil Great Helm, Biting Blade, Charmed Shield - 109

Paladin w/ Horse, Enchanted Shield, Birth Sword of Carcossone, Potion of Foolhardiness- 119

Damsel w/Horse, Dispel Scroll, Lore of Beasts - 105

Damselw/Horse, Silver Mirror, Lore of Beasts - 120

CORE
7 Knights of the Realm w/Full Command, Banner of Eternal Flame - 202

8 Knights of the Realm w/Full Command - 216

7 Knights of the Realm w/Full Command, Banner of Discipline- 207

8 Knights Errents w/Full Command, Errentry Banner - 201

20 Archers w/Musician, Braziers - 130


RARE

Trebuchet - 90
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429605/3908296.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429605/3908296.page GMT LA Bunker in California so if anyone would like to meet up!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429592/3908062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429592/3908062.page GMT MoT, Level 1, Third Eye of Tzeentch - 380
Exalted, BSB, MoT, Halberd, Charmed Shield, Talisman of Endurance, Stream of Corruption, Daemonic Mount - 254
Throgg - 175

17 Trolls - 765
18 Trolls - 810
8 Dragon Ogres w/ GWs - 616

Total - 3000

I'm pretty set on wanting to take that many trolls, and thinking it'd be best to horde them up and just go for it rather than split them up into smaller units. I also want to take the Daemon Prince, since it fits my theme better than a sorcerer, although it will be a bummer having no scroll with the nasty magic likely at the event (no restrictions).

What I'm wondering about it is how the dragon ogres fit in (run them up a flank) and whether or not to put the BSB with them or with the non-Throgg troll unit. Also, considering dropping Stream of Corruption to get either:

1) A better ward save on the BSB, with 5 points left to play with
2) A deamonic gift on the DP instead (Bloodcurdling Roar or Fury of the Blood God)

Thoughts appreciated! Right now I'm leaning towards giving the DP the gift, but will think about...

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429580/3907889.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429580/3907889.page GMT
[b]Lords[/b] (267)
Night Goblin Great Shaman 140
- Level 4 upgrade 35

Goblin Warboss 65
- Spear 3
- Shield 3
- Light Armor 3
- Giant Wolf 18

[b]Heroes[/b] (213)
Night Goblin Shaman 50
- Level 2 35
- Dispel Scroll 25

Night Goblin Shaman 50

Goblin Big Boss 35
- Spear 2
- Shield 2
- Light Armor 2
- Giant Wolf 12

[b]Core[/b] (906)
9 Goblin Wolf Riders 90
- Spears 9
- Shields 9
- Full Command 30

9 Goblin Wolf Riders 90
- Spears 9
- Shields 9
- Full Command 30

20 Night Goblins 60
- Netters 45
- 3 Fanatics 75
- Full Command 30

20 Night Goblins 60
- Netters 45
- 3 Fanatics 75
- Full Command 30

20 Night Goblins 60
- Netters 45
- 3 Fanatics 75
- Full Command 30

[b]Special[/b] (405)
Spear Chukka 35

Spear Chukka 35

Spear Chukka 35

15 Cave Squig 120
10 Night Goblin Herder 30

15 Cave Squig 120
10 Night Goblin Herder 30

[b]Rare[/b] (620)
Rock Lobber 85

Rock Lobber 85

Doom Diver 80

Doom Diver 80

Arachnarok Spider 290

I'm thinking that the Goblin Warboss should be the general (for higher leadership). The Warboss and Big Boss go with the Wolf Riders - their purpose is to get flank charges and tie up warmachines. Any comments or suggestions?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429578/3907879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429578/3907879.page GMT

First List:

Lords
Lvl4 Slaughter Master(Lore of the Great Maw(Crown of Command, Channeling Staff, Armor of Destiny, Ironfist)388 pts

Heroes
BSB (HA, Great weapon, Standard of Discipline) 160 pts
Lvl2 Butcher(Lore of Beasts(Dispell scroll, Sword of Might, Dragonbane gem) 185 pts
Lvl2 Firebelly (Hellheart, Great Weapon) 214 pts

Core
12 Bulls (Bellower, Banner, Ironfists) 404 pts
12 Bulls (Bellower, Banner, Ironfists) 404 pts
9 Ironguts (Bellower, banner, banner of eternal flame) 417 pts
20 gnoblars(trappers) 75 pts

Special
Sabretusk 21 pts
Sabretusk 21 pts
Sabretusk 21 pts
4 Mournfangs (Banner bearer, Bellower, IF, HA, Dragonhide Banner) 350 pts

Rare
Ironblaster 170 pts
Ironblaster 170 pts
3000 pts

BSB and SM go in one Bull unit, Firebelly and Butcher go in the other.


Second list:

Lords
Lvl4 Slaughter Master(Lore of the Great Maw(Crown of Command, Channeling Staff, Armor of Destiny, Ironfist)388 pts
Heroes
BSB (HA, Great weapon, Standard of Discipline) 160 pts
Lvl2 Butcher(Lore of Beasts(Dispell scroll, Sword of Might, Dragonbane gem) 185 pts
Lvl2 Butcher(Lore of Heavens(ironcurse icon) 140 pts
Lvl2 Firebelly (Hellheart, Great Weapon) 214 pts

Core
12 Bulls (Bellower, Banner, Ironfists) 404 pts
12 Bulls (Bellower, Banner, Ironfists) 404 pts
9 Ironguts (Bellower, banner, Dragonhide Banner) 457 pts

Special
Sabretusk 21 pts
Sabretusk 21 pts
Sabretusk 21 pts
Sabretusk 21 pts
Sabretusk 21 pts
Sabretusk 21 pts
4 leadbeltchers (bellower) 182 pts

Rare
Ironblaster 170 pts
Ironblaster 170 pts
3000 pts

This is basically list one where I dropped the Mournfangs and Gnoblars to pick up 3 Sabretusks, lvl2 heaven's butcher, and some Leadbeltchers. And the Ironguts took the Dragonhide banner.

It is heavy on magic so PD might be an issue, but I will have an awsome array of Buffs to choose from. Only thing I don't like is not having any Mournfangs :'(

I have a feeling the 2nd is actually the better list, but I'm not too sure.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429567/3907615.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429567/3907615.page GMT TK a go (since I have my 2000pts of vamps already :P )

Tomb King; DoE, Dragonhelm, Shield (263)

Liche High Priest Lvl 3; Dispel Scroll (200)

Necrtect (60)

6 Chariots; FC, Banner of Eternal Flame (370)

20 Archers; musc (130)

30 Tomb Guard; FC, Banner of Undying Legion (410)

Warsphinx; Fiery Roar (230)

3 carrion (72)

Casket of Souls (135)

Screaming Skull Catapult; Skulls of Foe (120)

Total = 2000pts

Kind of want halberds on my TG, my only thinking is to take a basic SS, thoughts?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429506/3906492.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429506/3906492.page GMT
Butcher lvl 1 iron fist

5 ironguts

4 leadbellies

The shooting did well but the ironguts are getting mowed down by the time they get to charge.

I was thinking swapping the butcher to firebelly, ironguts to bulls and then adding some Gnoblers to block charges, get in the way and maybe get in 6" and use throwing weapons if they are still alive and or not have been charged. Basically a detergent from charging / tarpit.

Thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429453/3905448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429453/3905448.page GMT
[u][b]LORDS AND HEROES: 834pts.[/b][/u]

-Teclis
*w/ Lore of Shadow

-Noble BSB
*w/ Heavy Armor, Shield, Great Weapon, Banner of the World Dragon

-Caradryan

[u][b]CORE: 1460pts.[/b][/u]

-x30 Archers
*w/ Banner of Eternal Flame, Light Armor

-x30 Archers
*w/ Light Armor

-x30 Archers
*w/ Light Armor

-x30 Archers
*w/ Light Armor

[u][b]SPECIAL: 680pts.[/b][/u]

-x20 Phoenix Guard
*w/ Full Command, Iron Curse Icon, Banner of Sorcery

-x5 Dragon Princes

-x5 Dragon Princes

[b]TOTAL ARMY: 2999 POINTS[/b]

[b]Tactics:[/b]

-Teclis is to dominate magic with help from Banner of Sorcery and cast Lore of Shadow from the safety of his archer bunker which also has the BSB with World Dragon banner. His job is simple, to primarily weaken the toughness of a single enemy unit where I will then focus fire all my archers onto and hopefully/should wipe out with 120 shots per turn will be running them in either a 15x2 or 10x3 formation). Sounds just like Wood Elves dont it? :nod:

-Basically its wash, rinse repeat this tactic while casting spells like Mindrazor on another archer unit to make their shooting attacks (I think) and their CC attacks if the need should arise strength 8 to deal with any oppnents that get close.

-Phoenix Guard Bunker to keep Banner of Sorcery alive and to add an added defense for my archers, same goes for Dragon Princes who can also run up the flanks and attempt to hunt warmachines if this is needed. Caradryan will possibly go here to give the unit a little extra in CC and magic resistance or with Teclis in archer unit to accept challenges if needed.

Now in regards to the fluff side of this as I stated above I will be using Wood Elf models to represent this High Elf Army. I figure with the models I will be using this army will both be devastatingly effective as well as keeping to the Wood Elf theme (which goes to show you if we even had access to Lore of Shadow it would make us that much more competitive). Also highly doubt anyone will complain about me using Wood Elves as High Elves (dont see what the big deal would be since everything will clearly be similar to what I am running but there is always one :facepalm: ). Anyways I will be using:

[i]-Glade Guard as Archers:[/i] Kind of obvious but hey gives me an excuse to put 120 on the table.

[i]-Spellweaver as Teclis:[/i] Again kind of obvious.

[i]-Eternal Guard as Phoenix Guard:[/i] Out of all the High Elf units the Eternal Guard look the most similar to the Phoenix Guard (hoever EG are much cooler)

[i]-Glade Riders (or) Wild Riders as Dragon Princes:[/i] One that I am sure will be pointed at the most but am also considering converting a few actual Dragon Prince models with some Wood Elf and other army bits to make them look more like Wood Elves.

Other then that tell me what you think and thanks for reading! :thumbsup:


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Since I havent been around since the 4-5th ed, where monsters could soar high with highflying rules, you will understand me for being a bit rusty.

This is the list I have composed after a few weeks of randomnly browsing the web.


Unnamed2000 Pts - Warriors of Chaos Army

1 Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch on disc
Mark of Tzeentch; General; Magic Level 4; Chaos Armour
Talisman of Preservation
Bloodcurdling Roar
Infernal Puppet
Third Eye of Tzeentch

1 * Exalted Hero of Tzeentch in tzeentch warriors unit
Mark of Tzeentch; Halberd; Chaos Armour; Shield; Battle Standard
Stream of Corruption
Talisman of Endurance
Enchanted Shield

12 Chosen of Tzeentch
Mark of Tzeentch; Halberd; Chaos Armour; Shield;
Standard; Musician champion with FotG
Wailing Banner

17 Chaos Warriors of Tzeentch
Mark of Tzeentch; Halberd; Chaos Armour; Shield;
Standard; Musician champion.
Banner of Rage

40 Chaos Marauders of Khorne
Mark of Khorne; Frenzy; Great Weapon; Standard; Musician

1 Chaos Warshrine of Tzeentch

1 Chaos Warshrine of Tzeentch

5 Chaos Warhounds

5 Chaos Warhounds

I believe the list to be decent enough to bring it to other rusty generals like myself, but I still want to get a feel for it. Is it ok? If not, what should I change or what would you change?

I have been reading up on tactics. I understand some basic tactics but to actually be able to execute them when necessary is not that likely. My goal with this list would of course be to get the chosenstar as soon as possible, and after that I would think a general march with the whole army and trying to deny flanks with the shrines and good placement. The dogs is a meat shield. The marauders are there to die and take stuff with them. I do feel that I will have a problem with faster moving enemys. I am a bit scared because I know that my friends will be playing Ogre Kingdom, Dwarfs, and Tomb Kings. Perhaps I will face off with some wood elves also. The Ogres have their movement and impact hits which could hurt me bad, the dwarfs have their guns. I am not enough well read on Tomb Kings to know what I am facing and wood elves will probably try to run around and shoot me whilst avoiding combat.

Should I face this in some other manner or is the list I have composed fit for the job?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429438/3905262.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429438/3905262.page GMT
1993 - IoB H.E. Half and H.E. Battalion

Archmage - 360
Level 4 / Book of Hoeth

Noble - 118
Battle Standard Bearer / Dragon Armour / Shield

Archers x20 - 245
Hawkeye / Musician / Standard Bearer

Spearmen x20 - 205
Sentinel / Musician / Standard Bearer

Lothern Sea Guard x10 - 155
Sea Master / Musician / Standard Bearer

Lothern Sea Guard x10 - 155
Sea Master / Musician / Standard Bearer

Swordmasters of Hoeth x10 - 180
Bladelord / Musician / Standard Bearer

Swordmasters of Hoeth x10 - 180
Bladelord / Musician / Standard Bearer

Tiranoc Chariot - 85

Ellyrian Reavers x5 - 105
Bow

Ellyrian Reavers x5 - 105
Bow

Repeater Bolt Thrower - 100

1993 - 3x H.E. IoB Halves + Extra

1993

Archmage - 360
Level 4 / Book of Hoeth

Noble - 118
Battle Standard Bearer / Dragon Armour / Shield

Lothern Sea Guard x10 - 155
Sea Master / Musician / Standard Bearer

Lothern Sea Guard x10 - 155
Sea Master / Musician / Standard Bearer

Lothern Sea Guard x10 - 155
Sea Master / Musician / Standard Bearer

Swordmasters of Hoeth x10 - 180
Bladelord / Musician / Standard Bearer

Swordmasters of Hoeth x10 - 180
Bladelord / Musician / Standard Bearer

Swordmasters of Hoeth x10 - 180
Bladelord / Musician / Standard Bearer

Dragon Princes x5 - 200
Drakemaster / Musician / Standard Bearer

Ellyrian Reavers x5 - 105
Bow

Ellyrian Reavers x5 - 105
Bow

Great Eagle - 50

Great Eagle - 50

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429420/3904993.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429420/3904993.page GMT - Allure Of Slaanesh
- Enrapturing Gaze
- General

Herald Of Slaanesh - 190
- Battle Standard Beaerer
- Great Icon of Despair

Herald of Slaanesh - 165
- Siren Song

Daemonettes x30 - 415
- Full Command
- Siren Standard

Daemonettes x30 - 390
- Full Command

Daemonettes x10 - 120
- BSB Bunker

Seekers x5 - 120

Seekers x5 - 120

Fiends x8 - 440

Going for a synergistic leadership bomb style army list. Not sure if I like the idea of the Fiend-star, but potential getting Succour of Chaos off on them and watching them rip things to shreds could be cool. Could also consider splitting them up until two units of 4, but then I only have two real combat blocks in an army with not great magic and no shooting.

Let me know :D]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429414/3904896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429414/3904896.page GMT VC & Skaven vs. Empire, Wood Elves, and Brets. It is three rounds progressing from 1k up to 2k in 500 point increments. I'm going to field my new VC list, and my goal is to frustrate the other team. I'm going for a heavily ethereal army. Based on the models I currently have, I'm thinking the following:

40 zombies
44 zombies
5 hexwraiths
5 hexwraiths
4 cairn wraiths

Its a low model count army, and it lacks banners, but I don't think I will need them for scenarios or anything. I know that tree spirits will give me all sorts of trouble and that the zombies must be supported to survive long against heavier units like greatswords, flagellants, or bret knights. That all being said, I have the following questions:

1) What characters should I include on a 248 point budget for this list?
2) Would it be prudent to drop one unit of hexwraiths for 3 spirit hosts? At this low point level I may face several units with static res of 1 or less.
3) I know very little about brets and wood elves. Other than tree spirits and wizards, is there anything obvious that will ruin my day as far as the ethereal goes?
4) Is there anything else obvious that I have foolishly overlooked?

Thanks in advance,

-Jim]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429396/3904691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429396/3904691.page GMT lol
i left the vamp naked so maybe someone could help me suite him best for my army

Lord = vamp lord 220

heroes = necro +1lvl 110pts
wight king + shield and GW = 95

core= 50 crypt ghouls + ghast =510
10 skellies +30 =80
10 dire wolfs +10 = 90

special= 10 hexwraiths 300
25 gg +30 +50 380

rare= varghulf
5 blood knights
terrorgheist

now i know i pass some limits but ill tinker with it later, how would you suit up the lord? and where would you put the necro and lord

thanks !

( Edited completly)
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So scrapping the idea of Night Goblins with Short Bows as these troops inflicted FAR too much damage on my own units for my liking, as funny as it was it ultimately lost me points, games and standing

Right then

Boss Redcap - 103
NG Warboss, Sword of Might, Gamblers Armour, Ironcurse Icon

Flagga Boy - 74
NG Big Boss, BSB, Light Armour, Shield, Banner of Discipline

Noggin - 36
NG Big Boss, Light Armour, Great Weapon

Boggin - 36
NG Big Boss, Light Armour, Great Weapon

Fungus - 85
Level 2 NG Shaman

Crikket - 85
Level 2 NG Shaman

Da Redcaps - 176
37 Night Goblins, Spears, Netters, Musician & Standard

Da Pointy Boyz - 179
38 Night Goblins, Spears, Netters, Musician & Standard

Noggin's Stikkaz - 179
38 Night Goblins, Spears, Netters, Musician & Standard

Da Loonz - 150
6 Fanatics

Kebaboom! - 35
Spear Chukka

Kebaboing! - 35
Spear Chukka

Loon Atik's Flinger - 80
Doom Diver

Loon Atik's Flicka - 80
Doom Diver

FLUFFY!!! - 65
Mangler Squig

SQUEEK!!! - 65
Mangler Squig


A little Breakdown
LORDS - 103 ( 7%)
HEROES - 352 (23%)
CORE - 684 (47%)
SPECIAL - 70 ( 4%)
RARE - 290 (19%)

Tactic Wise

Warboss and BSB take the central unit with another Big Boss, which means oh no.... my BSB cannot fit in the front rank, what a pity second rank it is then, (sneaky rat thing trick, Da Boss like is flag!)

One Shaman and Big Boss go into each of the remaining units with the shaman as far away from my General as possible (dat green light makez me eyez water! And he smells funny!)

The Manglers depending on who I am facing either both go on one flank or I have one on each, depends on the game and the mission.

Spear Chukka's and Doom Divers target anything that'll give me a hard time..........so everything really.

Fanatics I like to fan out protecting ALL of my units from chargers and forcing enemy units to charge through them inflicting another D6 worth of hits (2D6 S5 Hits)... yeah that's it for tactics

Thank you to all who have helped me get to this stage... I really appreciate your input and hope to get more]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429346/3903470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429346/3903470.page GMT BSB, focus of mystery (loremaster), higher state of consciousness (ethereal) – 350

Heroes: skink priest, lv.2, cloak of feathers – 125

Total spent on characters – 475 (24%)

Core: 50 skinks, full command, 6 kroxigor – 600

15 skink skirmishers – 105

15 skink skirmishers – 105

total spent on core - 810 (41%)

Special: 16 temple guard, full command, champion has burning blade of Chotec – 311

4 terradon riders - 120

Rare: ancient stegadon – 275

Total: 1991

ok so what do you think? anything that desperately needs changing?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429311/3902572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429311/3902572.page GMT WHFB ive played a few games so i get the general gist of it im looking to start an ogre kingdoms force and i need some advice for a 1000-2000pt list
Cheers
Mal]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429288/3901936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429288/3901936.page GMT
Hello,

I'm currently in the process of rebuilding and repainting my vampire counts army but I find I'm lacking direction, I just pick a model/unit and paint it.
So I thought of doing it in 500 point chunks to make things more manageable, give me some focus and allow me to get a game in too.

However I'm struggling to come up with a decent looking 500 point list to use as a starting point. Anything I come up with seems short in the killing department. I should add that I haven't played WHFB since the Nineties so to call me rusty would be an understatement.

Here's what I've come up with so far:

Heros - 125

Necromancer
Wraith

Core - 260

40 Skeletone with Standard and Musician - 220 (Necromancer and Wraith in this unit)
5 Dire Wolves - 40

Special - 90

2x Spirit Host

Total: 475. Leaving me 25 points for a banner/tinkering etc.



My concerns are mainly with the heroes. I don't have points to give the Necromancer any protection unless I lose the Wraith and if I do the Necromancer isn't much of a fighter so where is the damage going to come from? Is attrition the best way to go?

I do like the list from a fluff perspective of a necromancer at the beginning of their career, not powerful enough to bind much to his will yet.

So is it a decent start? Am I better going with a higher point value, say 750 or 1000?

Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated.

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Slaughter master has Guts magic, Butcher has beasts. BSB and Butcher go in one unit, Slaughter in the other. Gorgers are there for ambushing or just lone flanking, I realize though they're not the most optimal of specials

345-Slaughtermaster: Level 4, Armor of Destiny, Great Weapon
148-Bruiser: BSB, Banner of Eternal Flame, Ironfist, Heavy Armor
168-Butcher: Level 2, Dispel Scroll, Ironcurse Icon, Ironfist
546-Ironguts (12): Full Command
546-Ironguts (12): Full Command
90-Gorger
90-Gorger
90-Gorger
130-Gnoblar Scraplauncher
170-Ironblaster
170-Ironblaster

2493]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429206/3900197.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429206/3900197.page GMT
Archmage Book of Hoeth High Magic

Noble Reaver Bow Luckstone Ironcurse Icon Dragon Armor GW Shield

3x10 Archers
20 LSG shields FC
4x5 Ellyrian Reavers with Musicians
4x Repeater Bolt
2x Great Eagle
2x6 Shadow Warriors

He normally plays with GW warrior and Hammers, no Anvil, Runelord, Lord, BSB Thane, and various small arms and warmachines, although heavy on grudge throwers light on cannons. Hoping for Curse of Arrow attraction and with only a 5+ save I should be able to widdle down his fighty blocks, and hopefully get some wounds from my vanguard moves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429170/3899626.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429170/3899626.page GMT Ogre blade
Night Shroud
Other Tricksters shard
Red Fury
Dreadknight
Quick Blood
HA + Shield
Lvl 4 Vampires

Necromancer 125
Lvl 2
Dispel Scroll

Necromancer 100
Lvl 2

Tomb Banshee 95

Tomb Banshee 95

50 Zombies 160
Muso + SB

50 Zombies 160
Muso + SB

40 Ghouls 400

Corpse Cart 105
Balefire

Spirit host 45

Spirit host 45

Spirit host 45

Terrorgheist 225

Black Coach 195

Varghulf 175

Total: 2489


Here is my first draft of my VC list
Reason for no Mortis Engine is I feel I do not have enough casters to use it effectively and my group enjoys Hellheart]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429152/3899267.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429152/3899267.page GMT It's full Khorne and I'm trying to use all the fun stuff I can think of in it.

Here goes!
4,000 points

Bloodthirster
Immortal fury
Armor of Khorne

Bloodthirster
Immortal fury
Armor of Khorne

Heroes
Skulltaker


Herald of Khorne
Firestorm blade

Herald of Khorne
BSB
Obsidian armor
The stubborn banner ( can't remember it's name)

Herald of Khorne
Juggernaught
Armor of Khorne
Fire storm blade

Herald of Khorne
Juggernaught
Armor of Khorne
Firestorm blade

Core

2x 39 bloodletters
Full command

Rare
7 blood crushers
Full command

5 bloodcrushers
Full command


Around 4k but the banner might be pushing it.
I would like to include a blood chariot for skull taker, but I'm not sure if that's a great idea or not.
It seems like it'd be fun though :)

I have a FW bloodthirster and will be using this:
http://www.pegasomodels.it/productdetails_en.asp?id=806
As the other one. With Balrog wings.

One of the two bloodletters blocks will be made up of perry bros katana samurai, I wanted to do this because
I think that the idea of Khorne worshipers being maddened berserkers is cool but should be complimented by the other kind.
Warriors who take great pride in their skill and strength, such as the samurai. I'm going to model all the samurai as having Oni-esque
Faces.

Thanks for reading!

P.S
Sorry if the grammar and format is odd, I'm doing this on my phone in class.
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Slaughtermaster, level 3, Trisksters helm, iron fist, Greedy Fist, extra handweapon, Lore of Maw
Butcher, level 1, lore of maw, dispel scroll, great weapon
Bruiser BSB, heavy armor, dragon helm, iron fist
7 Iron Guts, full command, flaming banner
8 Bulls, full command, Iron Fists
8 Leadbeltchers, bellower
7 Leadbeltchers, bellower
4x10 Gnoblars
5 cats
1 cat
1 cat
2x Iron Blasters

BSB leads the Iron Guts, Butcher leads the Bulls (from the 2nd rank), Slaughter master joins the unit of 7 lead beltchers.
Gnoblars deploy 2 wide and 5 deep to act as speed bumps on one flank, and the 3 units of Sabre Tusks disrupt the other flank.

Generally, I move forward just enough to put the 2nd rank of leadbelchers in range, and then back away firing. Ususally gives me 2 or 3 turns of shooting. I flee through the ironguts who then take/charge whatever the belchers had softened up. It's a stupid amount of shooting for an ogre army. 5 S5 attacks from the general is nice, and 5+ armor 6+ ward and re-roll to wound me is surprisingly durable; especially on a self healing ogre.

So far, I've caught all my opponent off guard. People don't seem ready to play such a shooting heavy ogre list.

-Matt]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429118/3898704.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429118/3898704.page GMT
Purpose of list is have manfred reduce leadership and kill heroes while he can still raise and buff his guys.
Each vampure goes in a skelly unit and stays very close
Manfred goes in big zombie bunker to start and leaves if it gets in combat
Graveguard go on a flank.
Terrorgheists scream at things while behind them

2250: 562.5 is 25%
Lord: 530
Manfred - 530
Heroes: 302
Vampire - 152
Shield -2
Heavy Armor - 4
Powers - 40
Aura of Dark Majesty - 25
Beguile - 15
Vampire - 152
Shield -2
Heavy Armor - 4
Powers - 40
Aura of Dark Majesty - 25
Beguile - 15
Core: 577
39 Skeletons Full Command - 225 - 5 across
39 Skeletons Full Command - 225 5- 5 across
39 Zombies Standard Music - 127 - 5 across
Special: 390
26 Graveguard Full Command - 390 6 across
Banner of Barrows - 50
Rare: 450
Terrorgheist- 225
Terrorgheist- 225
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1000

Dwarf quarrellers
20
crossbows, shields Total: 240

20 Quarrellers
Crossbows, shields Total: 240

Grudge thrower 80
Rune o accuracy 25
rune of fire 5 110

Grudge thrower 80
Rune of penetrating 25
rune of accuracy 25
rune of fire 5 135

runesmith 70
master rune of ballance 130

bolt thrower 45
engineer 5

bolt thrower 45
engineer 5
Total:100

bolt thrower 45
engineer 5
rune of fire 5
Total 55

1000pts
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429077/3897891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429077/3897891.page GMT Thoughts please
Provisional list:

Fantasy Conflict 2012
Skaven 1250 points list

Lords:

Grey Seer 295 pts
dispel scroll
shadow magnet trinket

Heroes:

Warlock Engineer 95 pts
level 1
doomrocket

Warlock Engineer 90 pts
level 1
terrifying mask of eee!

Chieftain 124 pts
Battle Standard Bearer
Storm banner
halberd
shield

Core:

25 Clanrats 132.5 pts
shields
full command

50 Skavenslaves 131 pts
shields
musician/champion

50 Skavenslaves 131 pts
shields
musician/champion

Rare:

Hell Pit Abomination 250 pts
warpstone spikes

Total: 1248.5 points]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429014/3896795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429014/3896795.page GMT So here it is.

Lord 320
Mot
Tali of pres
Rune sword
Charmed shield

Sorcerer lord 400 
Lvl4
Mot
Armor of fortune
Infernal Puppet
Nec phylactery
Disc of tzeentch

Exalted hero 200
Bsb  
Mot   
Shield 
Biting blade   
Dragon helm   
Talisman of endurance   
Iron curse icon

Festus 185   

18 warriors 376
Mok
Shields & halberds
Fc
Flaming banner

18 warriors 381
Mok
Shields & halberds
Fc
Banner of swiftness

18 warriors 358 bsb and lord go here
Mot
Shields
Fc
Rapturous standard

50 marauders 300 festus goes here
Mok
Gw
Fc

5 Hounds 30
5 Hounds 30


Hellcannon 205

Hellcannon 205

2990

The model for the lord on foot is the games day Archaon on foot model and it seems appropriate.
Thoughts comments and suggestion are always welcome.
Not quite sure where the lord would be ideal. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429006/3896649.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429006/3896649.page GMT
Hi fellow Orcs and Goblin Fans. I've entered into an escalation league and wanted to get some thoughts on some of the army lists I've come up with.

Looking forward to hearing any responses.


Hero:
Black Orc Big Boss
- Enchanted shield
- War Boar
Total 111 pts

He will start with my unit of Orc Boyz ( Big'Uns) to save from any failed animosity as well as have some protection. He'll leave it as necessary if, as I move up, there are war machines, casters, etc that need to be charged at and dealt with.

He will also be very hard to kill since he'll roll on 2+ to save but when taking into consideration Strength modifiers then those are taken from his 1+ armor save. Heavy Armor, Enchanted Shield and War Boar give him 1+ A.S.


Core:
20 Orc Boyz
- AHW
-F.C.
-Big'Uns
Total 215pts

This unit will, for the most part, act as my hammer as best as I can manage it.


26 Night Goblins
- Spears and Shields
- 2 Fanatics
- Standard Bearer
Total 138pts

This unit will, for the most part, act as my anvil as best I can manage it. It will move ahead of my Big'Uns and head in the direction of what appears to be the biggest threat that I can release my Fanatics into. If I see my opponent deploying anything that could potentially cause my unit to release early, I'll readjust my Orcs Big'Uns to defend at a proper distance in the front as both units will then move up together.


Special:
Goblin Spear Chukka
Total 35pts

Simply to pick off any of my enemies war machines, or multi-wound model units / war machines, or at the very least wittle down his rank and file guys for the time my own guys can get in there and charge.

Total 499 points.


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Escelation League 1,000pts

Lord:

Black Orc WarBoss
- War Boar
- Enchanted Shield
- Dawn Stone
- Crown of Command
Total 249pts

Heroes:

Orc Shaman
Total 65pts

Night Goblin Big Boss
- BSB
- Light Armor
- Shield
Total 59pts


Core:

21 Orc Boyz ( Big'Uns)
- AHW
- FC
- Big'Uns
Total 224pts

41 Night Goblins
- Spears and Shields
- Musician
- Standard


Special:

13 Black Orcs
- FC
- Shields
Total 204pts

Goblin Spear Chukka
Total 35pts


Sticking the WarBoss with the Big Uns. Horde of Night Goblins coming down the middle, Big'Uns and Black Orcs on either side coming down as well to use one or the other as a hammer to the NG Anvil. Depending on what my opponent fields the Black Orcs may go monster chasing and my War Boss may charge out mid table to hit up some war machines / lone casters if any.


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Escelation 1,500pts

Not too sure about this list. I might take out the Ruby Ring of Ruin and put those points into a couple more Orc Boy Big'Uns. The idea behind the Ring was to upset anything that took negative affects from fire.


Lord:

Black Orc WarBoss
- Armor of Silvered Steel
- Talisman of Preservation
- Iron Curse Icon
Total 255pts


Hero:

Black Orc Big Boss
- Shield
- BSB
- Armor of Destiny
- Ruby Ring of Ruin
Total 192pts

Orc Shaman
- LvL 2 Wizard
- Dispel Scroll
Total 125pts


Core:

19 Orc Boyz (Big'Uns)
- F.C.
- AHW
- Big'Uns
- Banner of Eternal Flame
Total 216pts

40 Night Goblins
- Spears and Shields
- 3 Fanatics
- Netters
Total 240pts


Special:

15 Black Orcs
- FC
- War Banner
- Shields
Total 265pts

Orc Boar Chariot
Total 85pts

Goblin Spear Chukka
Total 35pts


Rare:
Goblin Rock Lobba
Total 85pts


For the beginning of my first few turns my WarBoss will be with my Big'Uns to help with Animosity. My BSB will be with my Night Goblins also for Animosity and mid table they'll both be with my Big'Uns. If the Big'Uns unit is taking a beating by mid table, then they'll jump ship to the Black Orcs.

Again using Hammer and Anvil Tactics here with my NG's as my Anvil and Orc Big'Uns and Black Orcs as my hammers. Looking to increase combat resolution with my Black Orcs with the War Banner and my Big'Uns by having my WarBoss when ( if) he pops WAAAGH! and my BSB in that unit as well offering an extra +1 to C.R.

My War Machines will snipe Monsters, other War Machines and casters as needed, while my Boar Chariot will be determined to either also help in that area or work at some flanking on its own.

I may remove the Ruby Ring and get more Big'Uns. I'll most likely give my Blorcs the Flame banner and my Big'Uns the War Banner. Incase any monsters around then I would rather my Blorcs hit them up, especially with the flame banner if any of those monsters are affected by it.

Considering a Standard on my NG unit as well. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428944/3895839.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428944/3895839.page GMT
*************** 1 Lord ***************

Archmage, General
+ Silver Wand
+ Lore of Life
- - - > 235 Points


*************** 2 Core Units ***************

10 Archers
- - - > 110 Points

15 Spearmen, Musician, Standardbearer, Champion
+ Banner of Eternal Flame
- - - > 170 Points


*************** 1 Special Unit ***************

25 White Lions of Chrace, Musician, Standardbearer, Champion
+ Terrifying Mask of EEE
+ Banner of Sorcery
- - - > 480 Points


Total Points Highelves : 995
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Here is what I have to play with:

Orc Boss on Wyvern
Orc Boss on Boar
Black Orc Boss BSB
Orc shaman

30 Arrer boyz plus full command
36 Orc boyz with shields, full command
18 Boar Boyz with shields, full command
30 Black Orcs plus full command
2 Orc Chariots

One Skull Pass set:

Night Goblin boss with great weapon
Night goblin shaman
2x 20 Night goblins with spears, full command
20 Night Goblin archers with full command
10 Spider Riders with full command


Please recommend me army builds and minimal purchase additions to the above.

I have two Mangonel on the way, to which I will add crew to make my Rock Lobbers, and am looking to invest in some fanatics, about four, and an Arachnarok spider. Other than that I am done here.


My starter list:

[u][b]ORC and GOBLIN ARMY 2000pts[/b][/u]

[b]LORD 343pts[/b]

[b]Orc Warboss [/b]343pts
Armour of Destiny, shield, Choppa of Striking, riding a Wyvern.
[i]- I like big monsters and I cannot lie.....Though I wont be using one all the time.[/i]


[b]HERO 365pts[/b]

Black Orc Big Boss 145pts
Battle Standard, Talisman of Endurance, heavy armour, assorted choppas
[i]- Obligatory BSB, made a black orc for reliability where needed[/i]

Orc Shaman 135pts
Level 2, Power Stone, Opal Amulet, choppa
[i]- Converted an arrer boy.[/i]

Night Goblin Shaman 85pts
Level 2
[i]- Skull Pass shaman with voodoo stick[/i]


[b]CORE 764pts[/b]

[b]Orc Boyz [/b]274pts
34 orc boyz, light armour, choppas, shields. Full command.
[i]- Cheap 6th edition boxset orcs converted to have shields. BSB and shaman here.[/i]

[b]Orc Arrer Boyz[/b] 240pts
30 orc boyz, light armour, choppas and bows. Full command.
[i]- Cheap 6th edition boxset orcs as is.[/i]

[b]Night Goblin Shootas[/b] 90pts
20 night goblins, bow, knife. Full Command
[i]- Skull Pass gobbos.[/i]

[b]Forest Goblin Spider Riders[/b] 160pts
10 Forest goblins, spear, shield, incy mincy. Full Command.
[i]- Standard Skull Pass fare, shaman .[/i]


[b]SPECIAL 529pts[/b]

[b]Black Orcs[/b] 359pts
27 Black Orcs, heavy armour, various choppas. Full Command.
[i]- Would be more but points were tight.[/i]

2 [b]Boar Chariots[/b] @85pts (170pts)
[i]- 6th edition again.[/i]


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[b]Lords total: 540p[/b]
Tomb king
-Destroier of Ethernities
-Dragonbane gem
-Enchanted shield
260p
Liche high priest
-lvl 4
-Dispell scroll
-talisman of preservation
280p

[b]Heros: 495p[/b]
Necrotect
-Obsidian lodestone
105p
Liche priest
-enkhis kanops
95p
Herald
-bsb
-Gamblers armour
-Dawnstone
135p
Prince
-Enchanted shield
-talisman of preservation
150p
[b]
Core: 670p[/b]
archer x30
-fc
210p
warrior x40
-fc
-spear
230p
warrior x40
-fc
-spear
230p

[b]Special: 255p [/b]
Tomb scorpion
85p
Tomb scorpion
85p
Tomb scorbion
85p

[b]Rare: 640p[/b]0
Ssc
90p
Necrosphinx
225p
Necrosphing
225p

Total points: 2600p]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428867/3894169.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428867/3894169.page GMT
Beast Lord-- w/ ha, sh, gnarled hide, dawnstone, ramhorn, swift sword
GBS-- lvl3 , dispel scroll---shadows
BSB-- beast banner, ha, sh, ahw
BS-- lvl1 , beasts
Gorebull-- ha, sh, ahw

40 Gor herd-- full cmd, ahw
BL, BS, BSB
4 Tuskagor chariots
8 Warhounds

24 Bestigors--full cmd, banner of outrage
GBS
8 Minotaurs--full cmd, ahw
GB]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428807/3893024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428807/3893024.page GMT
Lord
Arch Lector on War Alter (AMI 1+AS, Hammer Judgement)

Hero
Captain BSB AoD
Warrior Priest (5+Ward talisman)

Core
30 Flagallents
50 Halberdiers (Full CMD) (WP here) + 10 Handgunners (Detachment) + 20 Halberdiers (Detachment)

Special
30 Great Sword (Full CMD) (BSB Here) + 10 Handgunners (detachment) + 10 Halberdiers (Detatchment)
Mortar
Mortar
Cannon
Cannon

Rare
Hell Blaster Volley Gun

Total 2200 points.

I have been getting some reviews that I should consider a LVL4 Wizard Lord instead of the Arch Lector and putting in a Steam Tank.

Model wise I can do either option.

Any comments on effectiveness or concerns on weaknesses or any comments are happily accepted.

Any suggestions to cheese it out more are also worthy of consideration.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428799/3892856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428799/3892856.page GMT
I'm a long time collector but I never even played a WHFB game.

I came upon the chance to buy some 5-6 boxes of Dark Elf Cold One Knights at an interesting price, and I'd like to know if I can make an army out of them, what's the best loadout, and if need be, can I use Black Ark Corsairs as "troops"? I'd rather have a small cavalry army, but if I must include foot troops, I can also get them with a discount.

Thanks in advance!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428666/3890539.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428666/3890539.page GMT Every comment is appreciated!
Oh, and if you're wondering, the second number in each cost is the comp from the Swedish comp system... If you happen to be familiar with it.

Lord: 410
Sir Novkaer
Vampire Lord
Heavy Armour, Barded Nightmare
Enchanted Shield, Talisman of Preservation, Ogre Blade
Quickblood, Aura of Dark Majesty, Beguile
= 410 / -22

Heroes: 380
Necromancer
Lvl 2, Dispel Scroll
= 125 / -14

Necromancer
Lvl 2, The Cursed Book
= 135 / -11

The Kingslayer
Wight King
Sword of Striking, Charmed Shield, The Other Trickster's Shard
= 120 / -5

Core: 715
40 Skeletons
Full Command
The Screaming Banner
= 255 / -5

40 Skeletons
Full Command
= 230 / -5

10 Skeletons - 50 / -1 (Necromancer Bunker)

20 Zombies - 60 / -4 (Necromancer Bunker)

5 Dire Wolves - 40 / -2
5 Dire Wolves - 40 / -4
5 Dire Wolves - 40 / -8

Special: 692
20 Grave Guards (7 wide, The Kingslayer here)
Great Weapons
Full Command
Banner of the Barrows
= 320 / -22

9 Black Knights (Sir Novkaer here)
Lance, Barding
Full Command
Banner of Eternal Flame
= 274 / -22

Spirit Host - 45 / -5
Spirit Host - 45 / -8

Total points: 2197
Total Comp: 16.2

Comp for the tournament is 12 - 20. You recieve 100 extra VP for every point of comp you have more than your opponent.

Ideally I would've wanted a second Zombie unit bunker for my Necro, but... I just don't have that many zombies...

Base plan is simple enough. Skeletons and Grave Guard form a Phalanx, backed up by the Necros. Dire Wolves enable a little controlling of the field so nothing gets too out of hand. Spirit Hosts share that role, but may also tie up monsters very well should they need to, and they along with Wolves are going to be my first drops, scattered over the battlefield and hoping to force my opponent to deploy first. The Black Knights + Lord form a strong flank, and are going to break the opponents battleline from there. Sir Novkaer is kitter for challenges, and The Kingslayer is kitted for character-killing (hitting on 2+, forcing re-rolls on ward saves? Yes please.)

So... What are your thoughts? Something I should chage? Any questions? Any tips?
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nightsroud, rode of flaming death, abyssal terror + poison tail

heroes
2x tomb banshee
necro level 1
vampire level 2 + sword of strife, aura of dark majesty

core
40 zombies + command
40 zombies + command
20 skeletons + command
20 skeletons + command

special
5 hexwraiths
20 grave guard + banner of the barrow
2 corps cart + bale fire.

sorry for some spelling mistake, french canadian guy. not good for writing in english.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428580/3889177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428580/3889177.page GMT FB and i could use some advice, a bunch of friends and i play fantasy every now and then (we're all in Melbourne) since we're all just starting out we generally have only small armies

So far i'm fighting
- Vampire counts
- High Elves
- Tomb Kings (hasnt finished his army yet)
- Skaven (hasnt finished her army yet)
- Lizardmen (hasnt finished his army yet)
- Wood Elves

So with this in mind I have been trying to put together a generic 500 point army, something thats jack of all trades, (unfortunetly I have learned much to my chagrin that swordmasters of hoeth are in fact broken) and could really use some advice on the subject since i keep getting my a** handed to me

Anywho heres my list

[color=red]---- 500 points empire ----[/color]
Lvl 2 Battle Wizard of the Jade order - [b]100 points [/b]
Spearmen with Standard Musician and Seargeant X 40 - [b]320 points[/b]
^Detachment Free company X10 - [b]50 points [/b]
^Detachment Halberdiers X 10 - [b]50 points [/b]
Handgunners X10 - [b]80 points[/b]

Basically the whole point of this army is to hang around as long as possible with the ability to swap one of the lore of life spells for earthblood for a very pesky regeneration and the battlewizard with the large group of spearmen they can all get the regeneration then on a charge reaction he flees from the unit whilst the two detachments mop up for the dirty work. I was debating whether to take handgunners or crossbowmen, the extra range would be nice, i just find that in the 500 point battles we have that people generally tend to soup up a unit, and i like the extra armour piercing. That being said i was debating whether to drop one of the detachment and the wizard for a warrior priest, hatred can be rather nasty on the first turn plus added survivability and extra attacks. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428539/3888432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428539/3888432.page GMT
Hero
Runesmith - 122
RoCleaving
RoStone
RoSpellbreaking
shield

Core
16x warriors
Full command
RoBattle

16x warriors
full command
RoBattle

10x thunderers

10x thunderers

Special
Cannon

Rare
Organ gun

1000 on the nose, not that i know if this list is very viable at all or not
any comments would be greatly appriciated
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Master Necromancer (With Skeletons)
Level 4 Wizard
General
Master of the Dead
Talisman of Protection
Lore of the Vampires
250pts

Vampire (With Grave Guard)
Forbidden Lore
Lore of Light
Level 2 Wizard
Staff of Damnation
Shield
Heavy Armour
211pts

Necromancer (With larger unit of Ghouls)
Lore of the Vampires
65pts

30 Crypt Ghouls
300pts

40 Crypt Ghouls
400pts

30 Skeleton Warriors
Spears
Musician
The Screaming Banner
195pts

30 Grave Guard
Great Weapons
Standard
Musician
330pts

8 Hexwraiths
Hell Wraith
240pts

2001pts

Lore of Light to buff up the speed of the grave guard.
The Second Necromancer is for buffing up the ghouls and keeping the army together if the Master Necromancer dies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428425/3886199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428425/3886199.page GMT 40k. My friends and I are trying to get into it and I gravitated toward the lore behind Vampire Counts.

I came up with my own army fluff, and wanted to match it as much as possible (while conveniently using the models I like best). So, while I wanted to stick to the models I like, I also want to know if this list can handle a little casual competition.

Lord (380)
[b]Vampire Lord[/b]
Level 1
Heavy Armor
Barded Nightmare
Fear Incarnate
Aura of Dark Majesty
Ogre Blade
Enchanted Shield
Talisman of Preservation

Heroes (415)
[b]Wight King[/b]
Fencers Blades
[b]Necromancer[/b]
Level 2
Talisman of Endurance
[b]Necromancer[/b]
Level 2
Talisman of Protection
Dispel Scroll

Core (645)
[b]40 x Skeletons[/b]
Full Command
[b]40 x Skeletons[/b]
Full Command
[b]10 x Dire Wolves
10 x Dire Wolves[/b]

Special (660)
[b]30 x Grave Guard[/b]
Full Command
[b]10 x Black Knights[/b]
Barding
Full Command
Screaming Banner

Rare (400)
[b]Terrorgheist
Varghulf[/b]

TOTAL: 2499

I took a hammer and avil approach, because that was easiest for me. I don't like the zombie-heavy armies. The Skeletons with Necromancers are the Anvil, the Dire Wolves redirect or take on warmachines, the Vampire rides with the Black Knights, the Wight King marches with the Grave Guard, and they Hammer things. The Terrorgheist and Varghulf run around distracting people and causing damage (hopefully).

A few notes: I know my Vampire Lord's powers aren't ideal, but I love the terror mechanics and wanted to use them. Is that going to hurt me a lot? I'm also concerned about my limited "Vampiric" units, and magic.

Keep in mind I've never played before, and thanks for the help!


EDIT: I made my Lord's Magic Item choices legal :*) changed my Lord's powers, and put The Screaming Banner in the group of Black Knights, complimenting my Lord's new Powers. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428421/3886161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428421/3886161.page GMT