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Were they disbanded, destroyed, or ????]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429976/3915201.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429976/3915201.page GMT SoB in pre heresy times?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429927/3914367.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429927/3914367.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429891/3913516.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429891/3913516.page GMT
Because I can't think of a single canonical example. The Blood Angels are reputed to live longer than other Space Marines, but I've never heard of a Space Marine that didn't die as a consequence of battle. So... are Space Marines (not counting Dreadnought-interred Marines) actually immortal in their life-span but simply never get to live for thousands of years because they're always in battlefields? Because that's a pretty solid method to die before your time.

I may be missing something obvious here, and I'm sure if that's the case someone will tell me in two sentences, but I dunno.

Any thoughts?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429861/3912909.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429861/3912909.page GMT
I've been out of the hobby for about 6 moths now but have decdided to get back into it now. I've decided the best way for me to do so is to start fresh and so I'm clearing out and selling a load of stuff so that I can fund my new army.

I really like the pre-heresy Thousand Sons, however I also like daemons a lot. So, I was thinking of doing a Thousand Sons army during the heresy so that I could have the cool pre-heresy marines fighting alongside the daemons.

I should point out here: I don't care about rules in the actual game at the moment, or what should count as what, or what codex to use as I'm not gonna actually be playing for a long time yet. I'm just wondering whether there would be any major problems with this fluff-wise?

Also, as this army is just to look good at the moment I'm concentrating on larger daemons so if you have any ideas for cool conversions or any daemons or characters from books that could fit in this army; feel free to tell me about them.

Thanks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429851/3912577.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429851/3912577.page GMT
What sort of secondary effects would that be likely to have? Would five kilometers of metal entering low orbit interfere with weather patterns? What about the heat from engines, to give enough thrust to move the thing? Would bombardment raise the surface temperature enough to be noticed? Would there be a 'nuclear winter' effect from blasting enough of the dirt into the sky during a bombardment?

I know 40K runs on loose science at the best of times, but I'm just interested to think about that sort of thing from a fluff/RPG context.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429810/3911805.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429810/3911805.page GMT
THE BIG FOUR (Tyranids, Traitor Legions, Necrons and Orks) BALANCE EACH OTHER OUT!

Here's how it works. Necrons have no biomatter, so they defeat Tyranids. Traitor Legions have Chaos, so they defeat Necrons. Tyranids eat biomatter, so they defeat Traitor Legions. Orks defeat everything, so they also defeat themselves. The big four keep eachother balanced and thus prevent any one of them from just wiping out the Imperium with a derisive assault. That's how the Imperium (and the Tau and Eldar) have managed to survive for so long.

So, what do you guys think? Do you agree with this theory? Do you disagree? Will this turn into another Tau Hater/Fanboy war? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429773/3911185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429773/3911185.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429724/3910439.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429724/3910439.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429640/3908877.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429640/3908877.page GMT GW wants to stay as far from the subject of S-E-X as possible. They day their customers discover girls is the day they find better things for their time and money.

But here at Dakka we tend to have a more mature group who are more familiar with the real world and with GW's made up fluff. So i wonder what the Imperium's attitude on sex is.

In the many (MANY!) Black Library books I've read I can only think of a few legitimate relationships. Inquisitor Eisenhorn had a girlfriend on the side but seemed to need to keep it under wraps. And in Gaunts Ghosts we had Tona and Caffran. In Titanicus there was a married couple with the wife in the PDF. Other than that... I mean I haven't read every book and I may have forgotten some but that's all that comes to mind. And funnily enough they're all by Dan Abnett.

Ian Watson's Inquisition Wars had a fairly odd relationship between the Inquisitor Draco and the assassin M'Lindi but it's pretty clear that was illicit.

Obviously a lot of the Imperium is based on the Roman Empire and the Medieval Catholic Church which makes for an odd combination of sexual mores. I would imagine official commands of celibacy that are routinely ignored at the top and bottom levels.

So no one cares too much what the underhivers, laborers and guardsmen are up to. They have their joy girls (& joy boys) and liaisons and of course marriages and provide much of the population growth of the Imperium.

And at the top you have your political marriages and concubines and have people who basically beyond and laws or social morals.

But for the guys in the middle, there you have the true believers and the people afraid to break the rules. So Arbites, adepts, commissars, interrogators and other mid-level Imperial types are probably expected to be celibate.

SoBs are probably meant to be celibate since they're based in part on Catholic nuns. Of course they're also based on Dune's Bene Gesserit, witch-harlots who are assigned to mate with certain lords as part of a millennium-long genetics project. They also have roots in Dune's God Emperor's Fish Speakers, female warriors whose service only ended when they had a child.

Imperial Priests are again based on Catholic ones and probably celibate with decadence and corruption on the top. Though protestant priests, Moslem Imams and some buddhist monks can marry so there's that...

And of course it is well established that Space Marines are not interested in wimmins. Now with so many energetic young scouts around...



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I get the point behind weathering tanks but why drop pods?

And for those of you who wonder why this post is here, Its because it as everything to do with the back ground story about Space marines leaving certain gear behind like America does in war zones.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429563/3907556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429563/3907556.page GMT SM?

For an example if the =I= wants the GK to attack an non-Chaos faction while it would mean significant losses for the GK and an possible retaliation against Titan.

Would the =I= have to:

A) Just order them?

B) Tell them that said faction is Chaos affiliated?

C) Provide fake evidence?

D) Something of the above + Not revealing the true potential of the enemy?


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1) Do the Marines ever take off there armor ? Or do they always wear it?
2) I have heard that the SM in a dreadnought is on a life support system and the dreadnought its self is the only thing keeping him alive is this true or wat?
3)when they meet for prayers do they read from a prayer book or do they just have simple prayers
4)Are the relics of the chapters only held sacred to the respective chapter ( like a thing of the primarchs) or are they like universal like say a bit of the Emperor's armor or a vile of his blood?
5) How long can Space Marines live because some chapters still have the living Primarchs makeing them 10,000+ years old ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429419/3904946.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429419/3904946.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429364/3904059.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429364/3904059.page GMT Thanks :)
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429353/3903806.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429353/3903806.page GMT Do they have a central bank?
If yes, how can it possibly regulate money supply on such a vast scale?
If no, what's to stop the collapse of industry caused by an unregulated money supply?
What is wealth relative to? Xenos currency? Surely not. Mineral wealth? It would make Ron Paul happy, but it doesn't work.
Or do different planets have their own currencies? In which case how are tithes settled without the planet simply printing money to pay the Imperium?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429317/3902740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429317/3902740.page GMT SM force. Could you in fact just use regular SM models instead of the spiked out chaos ones? My idea is to have a renegade force not totaly emearsed in chaos, but still use the chaos sm codex and be lead by a daemon prince. Ideas? Contradictions? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429294/3902069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429294/3902069.page GMT
I was thinking about an IW character to create when I found a complicated thing. As in 'The Flight of The Einsenstein', seems a marine (loyalist or not) can wield BOTH a power fist and a chainsword, or put the sword on the belt and fire a boltgun, two-handed. For example, having the power fist on the left hand and let the right hand free for a trigger or another CC weapon. The thing is, would he feel comfortable with all that wargear in a power armor (not terminator armor)? And also, how would he figh in CC with such a weapons combination? My character would be using a grenade launcher, probably. How do you se this?

Another thing I'd like to hear your thoughts about is that if a marine in power armor could use a chainfist. If the fist is meant for punching and grabbing, it would be probably difficult to do with a chain blade attached to it, and you'll perhaps damage it when punching (same if you had a TL boltgun attached to it as Abbadon or Zhufor). I thought about a blade that could be retracted on the fist's dorso... seems a bit big for a power armor!

Tell me what you think about this!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429285/3901855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429285/3901855.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429261/3901292.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429261/3901292.page GMT I have a really hard trouble imagining a dark eldar army. I understand now that its not a professional wage driven army.
Instead it's a bunch of warriors who get together to pillage and enslave. But what makes them follow an Archon ?
Where does an Archon gain so much money, influence to have a massive army that can enslave a world ? I need answers !

Thank you >: :wow: :thumbsup: ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429238/3900843.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429238/3900843.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429193/3900025.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429193/3900025.page GMT de-lis? Still working on my Sisters of Battle pinups for my Baneblade and just got around to thinking about why the use them so much.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429149/3899228.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429149/3899228.page GMT I'd like to have a go at converting some Knights up, and there's a fairly cool rendition of the Warden here: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xk34z6urTZY/TZs-XfeyuBI/AAAAAAAABSo/ElPLLOTSS0I/s1600/front02.jpg
They used to look something like this: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vFUbRcVxuqM/TXuYgHuDDfI/AAAAAAAABRo/7LmFnxptIPA/knightwarden.jpg

Any help you can give would be much appreciated :)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429140/3899096.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429140/3899096.page GMT And what about Ork souls? Do they exist in a Warp as Gork and Mork?
Most importantly, do Chaos Gods lay claim to EVERY soul that enters the Warp after death or they also must battle to claim them?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429133/3899014.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429133/3899014.page GMT
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Well, it's been a while since I've reviewed a book, but here we go. Deliverance Lost by Gav Thorpe, the lastest (if you dont count No Know Fear) entry to the Horus Heresy saga. I have to say, I was left pretty cold by this one. I really wanted to like it, but there was plenty that prevented joy from happening. Here's the gist:

[URL="http://queencityguard.com/index.php/2012/02/06/horus-heresy-review-deliverance-lost-gav-thorpe/"]Deliverance Lost Review[/URL]

Would love to get some commentary from those of you that have read it also. Am I simply off base and expecting too much, or did ya'll have the same sense of emptiness reading it I did?

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So here's the review for No Know Fear. It's true that its a bit more gushy than I wanted it to be. It's true that I should probably just write Dan Abnett a Valentines Day card now, expressing my undying love for his writing. Whatever.

I read this one in a matter of two days. It would have been less, but I had to work and sleep. It was that compelling. I couldn't put it down.

[URL="http://queencityguard.com/index.php/2012/02/09/horus-heresy-review-know-no-fear-dan-abnett/"]Know No Fear - Dan Abnett Review[/URL]

As I intimate in the review, I don't think it's quite as good as Prospero Burns, but damned if it isn't close. They're very different books, so it's hard to look at them comparatively. Suffice it to say I loved Know No Fear.

Please, comments & critiques & rambling thoughts welcome.

Cheers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429116/3898629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429116/3898629.page GMT SW with the mark of the wulfen to look like!". For those of you who havnt seen it or seen underworld (what the hell are you doing with your life? Go watch it, now! What are you waiting for? Stop reading and go watch it. Seriously.) it is kinda hard to explain but they fit my idea of the wulfen almost perfectly and the giant muscular behemoth in the new movie look just like I have always imagined them, only with power armour ofcourse.

What do you guys think?

What do you guys use as a mental reference when picturing a Wulfen brother?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429031/3897041.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/429031/3897041.page GMT gk codex and they seem to only be trained against daemons is this true or not?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428968/3896156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428968/3896156.page GMT ^just an example^ ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428939/3895737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428939/3895737.page GMT
Do soldiers in the IG receive a salary (like modern-day forces)? If yes, how is it organised? :question:

After all, they keep being shipped out to other planets and other war-fronts. That means different economies and different currencies. So I doubt they get a monetary payment, or maybe they are paid using the currency of the planet where they currently fight or are stationed.

But then, are they paid in nature? Are they paid with precious metals, like gold (which probably have some value anywhere in the galaxy)? Are they paid with other objects, like extra food rations or smokes? Or is their "salary" simply sent to their family back on their home planet as a compensation for the loss of their boy?

Or are they simply not paid at all? By the way, that would make them slaves. A rather disturbing thought...


Any thoughts or answers?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428893/3894635.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428893/3894635.page GMT





So, I can't tell, when did Huron fall to chaos, and when did the rest of the Astral Claws?


-There are a number of various 3rd party attacks around negotiations- I couldn't tell if these were supposed to be mercenaries/allied chaos powers working with Huron, or said powers conspiring against Huron, setting him up for the fall and turning to them.

-The Astral Claws were sure doing some shady business (esp. regarding apothecaries), but I didn't get any sense that they were actually worshipping chaos. Similarly, the way they react to the Executioners rejecting them seems to imply that they still considered themselves mostly loyal, up until that point.

-It seems like, if they were worshipping chaos, it would hav been during the final assault on Badab that they would have played their hand, i.e. summoned a bunch of demons, etc.



…So, my thought is that there wasn't any chaos taint before the Astral Claws escape, but what do you think?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428887/3894599.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428887/3894599.page GMT
Raldae Prime, a Imperial civilized world near the fringes of what is being claimed as Tau space has always been under siege by orks (referenced by the War of Dakka) Due to being so far out the Planetary Govenor has often requested more resources from the Imperium than they consider "necessary to maintain a proper defense". Often provided only a small allotment of Imperial Guard and PDF troops to face roving Waaghs flooding into the Tau Empire, as a result some political members of Raldae Prime and a majority of the people in secret wish for secession from the IOM as they are an advantageous planet for the Tau to regain a strong foothold against the Orks by bringing the fight into a new direction breaking supply lines and more or less removing the Orkish foot on their throat by bringing the battle closer to " Imperial Space". Since Raldae Prime is willing to co-operate if provided protection against the Imperium's retribution and they were willing to go to war to obtain more territory for the Tau Empire I imagine they would willingly accept the protection.

however just cause majority of people and some of the goverment wants to Seceded from the IOM because they are risking their lives the heart of the planet has remained properly Imperial and Raldae doesn't find itself in a true desperation of needed assistance, yet. Due to Tau recon and desires to obtain Raldae the ethereal cast would be provided information of latent pysker activity being much higher than most Imperial worlds of the past. Having recently witnessed a mysterious "vanishing" of a small xeno race of minor pyskers the tau had previously considered inducting into the Empire for military purposes not far from Raldae Prime's area, their initial investigations sent back worrying information. Discovering the remains of a few Enslavers and the entire world dying from various chaotic means the Etheral cast knew how to make the Imperials come to their side while also removing them in the long run to prevent treachery.

Biding time, and drawing orks to the planet in higher numbers using their stealth technology and running proper recon missions the tau redirected a larger portion of Orks to Raldae Prime enough to off set the PDF and IG protecting the planet as soon as this happened the Tau offered an Alliance. The alliance was readily accepted as even Astartes response would be too long before the planet would get overrun as it didn't have the means to stop them, The Tau agreed to the terms other than asking them to "throw off the shackles of their oppression as they possess a high number of pyskers and would like them no longer to be oppressed or offered to the proper organization they would instead be "educated" by the tau Empire in registered facilities. within only a few weeks the Imperium arrives to find the orks and tau upon the planet surface and when attempting to assist the Tau and Raldae shoot down most imperial support until it get spun into the unwinding chaos of Raldae. Not long after the Imperium declares the planet heretical the Tau's desired conditions arrived...

No longer properly being protected by the psyker academies or persecuted for what they were they were freely and oftenly using psychic powers to defend themselves from attack or simply in public, a few members of use were given offers to leave Raldae and join the Tau empire as Sha'vel? (not even sure that is the right term) Treating them as proper pyskers which needed restraint, however the vast majority proved too tantilizing for The Enslavers to not take advantage of... within a few weeks the planet was over-run and the planet grew silent. After a proper assessment was sent to an Inquisitor of secession, killed Adeptus Astartes, PDF and Imperial guard along with an ork incursion stopped mysteriously without additional military assistance other than the tau... The Ordo Xenos requested the Assistance of the Death Watch

Suspecting Tau treachery turning Raldae Prime against the IOM they want a proper investigation of the situation there before declaring Exterminatus on the planet. That is where my group will come in to face Enslavers, their puppets, hold-out orkish forces and a Tau covert recon force trying to kill the Death Watch Kill-team before any evidence of their true involvments come to light thus the planet will be left for them to claim for the military advantage against the orks and an expanded territory.

What do you think? I know it'a a bit convoluted but it feels like what they would do and it gives the group a chance to really learn more about tau for their first adventure. It set up future adventures to go against the tau seeking retribution for Raldae Prime. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428841/3893656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428841/3893656.page GMT BA, WS etc.? Wouldn't you technically be paying a successor? And I know that with the wolves and DA that technically they are just one big successor chapter to give the middle finger to Roboute, but of the ones that truly did break apart what's the deal?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428827/3893341.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428827/3893341.page GMT Lynata mentioned in "inquisition orders" topic that Grey Knight codex said that "Grey Knights act as a chamber militant for [i]entire[/i] Inquisition". ( page 7 of the Grey Knight codex ).
Same is in new SoB White Dwarf update, there is no mention of Inquisition at all ( but they are represented as "army of the Ecclisiarchy", page 1 of White Dwarf update, and when they are not is service of Imperial Church they train or worship ).

Does that mean that they are rewriting the Inquisition? SoB became their own army, and Grey Knights are represented as the militant arm of the Inquisition ( there is no mention of Ordo Melleus, so they probably mean the whole organization ).

Does that mean that they are reorganizing the Inquisition, and how will that effect the remaining third party: the Deathwatch?
Why are they doing this? I see nothing wrong with Daemonhunters, Xenohunters and Witchhunters.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428790/3892729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428790/3892729.page GMT SM of the same chapter refer to each other as brother regardless of rank or do lower ranking SMs call their superiors 'Sir' to show respect or whatever?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428727/3891713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428727/3891713.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428710/3891448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428710/3891448.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428708/3891418.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428708/3891418.page GMT op weapons and tanks, so which army is the most op?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428705/3891390.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428705/3891390.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428703/3891345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428703/3891345.page GMT
Just make a request to the adeptus mechanicus?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428689/3891169.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428689/3891169.page GMT IoM thrive or would humanity continue it's downward spiral.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428675/3890787.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428675/3890787.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428672/3890672.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428672/3890672.page GMT
What kind of animals do they have on the craftworlds? Dogs? Cats? I see a feline in that pic...

I have seen pics of Dark Eldar cat type creatures too but the pictures were kinda risky for a family site.

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could someone please explain this in detial, it would help a great deal]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428585/3889242.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428585/3889242.page GMT
I know the Ecclesiarchy can't bear men under arms, but just as there are chapters with 'close' relations to the AdMech and whatnot, surely there must be some who are bros with the Ministorum?

Chaplains in most chapters may be of the opinion that the Ecclesiarchy is sort of wrong (The Emprah is a highly evolved man according to Spehss Mehrens, not a God) but is this really a standardised doctrine?

I think I read somewhere that new Chapters have their Chaplains instructed by existing Chapters' Chaplains, but is it really not feasible that a chapter could fall through the cracks or develop deviant beliefs? It's not like SM enforce their creed to the same extent as the Imperial Cult.

I guess GW just intended Marines to be a 'secular' influence. They sat out during the Age of Apostasy, for e.g. But meh, it'd be cool to have one or two chapters who like to help out the Ministorum from time to time. Modelling them on BTs would probably be rather fun. And if the only regulating influence is that Chaplains receive instruction when a Chapter is first made to preach a certain thing, well, that's not the strongest regulatory effort in existence...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428579/3889148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428579/3889148.page GMT
Each doorway is guarded by a Librarian?

Are these old and infirm Librarians or perfectly good ones who could be on the frontline?

The thought that something like five Librarians are just chilling in Titan doing nothing other than guarding a doorway seems like a tremendous waste of a Librarian, and a *GK* Librarian at that.

Have I got this wrong?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428573/3888981.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428573/3888981.page GMT
Question now is: how far are both sides willing to take it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428563/3888788.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428563/3888788.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428558/3888712.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428558/3888712.page GMT 40k universe i will keep my choice until the end after i have read all your responses]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428469/3887239.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428469/3887239.page GMT IG? Were they any different, or have they changed in the 10,000 years since the heresy?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428454/3886927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428454/3886927.page GMT Are they a militant arm of the ordo xenos,like the grey knights of the ordo malleus?
They seem to retain the marking of their chapter so its not a chapter like the grey knights?
Also the captain of the ultramarines said he served in the deathwatch so can marines just leave when they feel like it?
Wher can i get more info on them?
Any info would be great thanks :thumbsup: ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428367/3885189.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/428367/3885189.page GMT