http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/6.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179416.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179416.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179417.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179419.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179419.page GMT gd/DSCN0618.JPG>THIS</a> is by and far the best pic of the Chapter Council.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179421.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179421.page GMT LR can't aim its rear side sponson LCs straight forward? Looks a little silly to me. Would have much preferred a Hurricane bolter-esque solution.<br><br>The Council's pretty cool. The only thing that bugs me is how similar the faces are. If not for the context, I would think them alternate sculpts of the same in-game model.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179425.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179425.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179429.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179429.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179432.page GMT GW with the LR Terminus.<br /> Looks to me like something cobbled together from parts in a spares box.<br /> Major disappointment , reckon I could save myself some cash and make it myself.<br /> Oh well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179433.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179433.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179434.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179434.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179435.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179441.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179441.page GMT GW with the LR Terminus.<br /> Looks to me like something cobbled together from parts in a spares box.[/quote] It certainly is. The extra lascannon sponsons are the ones from the Predator kit (someone on Warseer said that's what they were doing for it yesterday, and I poo-pood the idea because they wouldn't fit properly... apparently GW decided they didn't care how they fit, they're doing it anyway) and the turret lascannons are from the Razorback.<br /> <br /> However useful all those lascannons may be in Apocalypse, it's a silly looking tank.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179452.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179452.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179453.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179453.page GMT FW does their own version in a similar fashuin to the LR Prometheus.<br /> <br /> BYE]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179456.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179458.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179458.page GMT GW went that direction. A better option would have been to hang the extra lascannon below the other two on the sponsons and to move the hull mounted lascannons further back on the main hull using the <a target=_blank href=http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/lascrazor.htm>Forgeworld Razorback Turret</a>. The opening for the hull mounted twin bolters that are on the standard Land Raider could be filled like it is on the <a target=_blank href=http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/prom.htm>Land Raider Prometheus</a>.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179464.page GMT GW think that AV14 is truely survivable and worth the points cost, Monolith excepting. This tank is not a warmachine just a one hit vehicle an in Apocalypse you can be sure there will be enough firepower to inflict that single hit on the first turn. Then you are back to lascannon Preds, lascannon tacticals and tank hunting Dev squads to do the real work. Frankly I would just stick with them to begin with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179468.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179470.page GMT GW-land. I was hoping for some ork stuff as I have always had an interest in them.<br><br>What we have learned about Apocalypse has me really excited for the supplement. I just have to bulk up my Zilla army and my ultra's, but I want to wait and see what GW has in store for Space Marines.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Chappy P!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179471.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179471.page GMT GW think that AV14 is truely survivable and worth the points cost, Monolith excepting. <br /> [/quote] Never mind the points cost, you'll simply never get 5 shots against a single target. The rear sponsons can't turn to the front because of the ones in front. <br /> <br /> You'll never get more than 3 at a single target, which rather defies the point of the extra weapons.<br /> <br /> Even better, someone on Warseer translated the German rules sheet. Apparently, it suffers a Pen Hit if you roll 4 or more ones when you roll to Hit... which, of course, is rather pointless since you'll never be rolling for more than 3 Lascannons at once...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179474.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179474.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179478.page GMT Devs will be far more survivable and throw out about the same firepower for the cost. Most of all I havent used any HS slots yet. I would go for Whirlwinds and Vindicators for my HS, they ought to do very well in numbers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179479.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179479.page GMT GW decided they didn't care how they fit, they're doing it anyway) and the turret lascannons are from the Razorback.<br /> [/quote] I wont mind so much if this was not a one off but opart of a set of official conversions for everyone to use. So long as each army gets several different frankentanks to build we can afford a few turkeys in the mix. Choice is choice, however if they intenhd to copy the sprue designs to make a Terminus sprue then I would wish for a better design frankly.<br /> <br />]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179481.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179484.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179484.page GMT TL Hvy bolters on a regular land raider with a twin linked lascannon for 3 tl lascannons total. Then you could have the best of both worlds crusader in close and a heavy hitting long range anti tank land raider. oh well just have to invest more in baneblades.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179491.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179491.page GMT </p> <p>I guess these guys have had enough time to come to terms with their baldness and no longer scream about it.<br /> </p>]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179493.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179503.page GMT TL-Lascannon sponsons per side... then, atleast, the tank could do broadsides.<br /> <br /> BYE ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179504.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179504.page GMT Devs will be far more survivable and throw out about the same firepower for the cost. Most of all I havent used any HS slots yet. I would go for Whirlwinds and Vindicators for my HS, they ought to do very well in numbers.</div ><br><br>Uhm with all the pie plates around....I doubt it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179512.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179512.page GMT GW is providing a bunch rules and showing you how they see the model.  Don't let GW's basic model get in the way of your imagination.</p> <p>The Ork with supershoota looks much better painted.  The chapter council is sweet looking.  I am curious how the vindicator will be set up on the sprues?  Basic model with Chaos sprue addition for chaos and imperial sprue addition for the imperium?  (Insert scratching  chin smiley here).  </p>]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179517.page GMT FW thinks of a clever solution <br />]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179520.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179530.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179530.page GMT LR]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179546.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179546.page GMT GW was releasing a new Raider variant, I was hoping for a model as striking as a Prometheus or one of the other FW variants.  </p> <p>The simple facts that: </p> <p>A) the main guns can't aim properly and look unwieldy </p> <p>B) it looks like a refugee from a 12 year old's attempts at a VDR vehicle </p> <p>will rule this one out for me, and, I suspect, quite a lot of other people as well. </p> <p>Padre^. </p> <p>5000 Plus Games, Ipswich, Queensland, Australia - Bring on the Apocalypse!</p> <p><a target=_blank href="http://www.5000plusgames.com">www.5000plusgames.com</a></p> <p> </p>]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179550.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179550.page GMT las cannons uptop like the deck guns from a battle ship. That will solve the LOS issues very easily.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179553.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179553.page GMT uk.games-workshop.com/storefront/newimage.asp?Size=A&Img=214537" /><br /> <br /> Get that, plus the part that it turns on which everyone with a few Rhinos would have spare, and you can aviod using that abortion of a kitbash GW will sell.<br /> <br /> BYE]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179560.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179560.page GMT las cannons uptop like the deck guns from a battle ship. That will solve the LOS issues very easily.[/quote] Just to completely contradict my earlier post, ruleswise, there is no LOS issue...<br /> <br /> Sponson weapons have a specific fire arc shown in the rulebook. Whether or not the actual model is capable of moving the weapons through that same arc is irrelevant... they'll still have the same fire arc as any other sponson.<br /> <br /> Which doesn't excuse the poor modelling. If GW can't be bothered to make their models match their rules, how do they expect anyone to take them seriously...?<br />]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179563.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179581.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179587.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179587.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179639.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179639.page GMT Gw want official conversion for us how about:<br><br>Chimeras with Predator turrets (either type) for 'elite' Guard mechanised regiments.<br><br>Predators with Russ turrets for Marines, no sponsons allowed to save weight. Or battlecannon armed Vindicators if prefered]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179671.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179671.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179673.page GMT las cannon's so they are about an inch away from the hull. or place a second twin las cannon turret where the hunter killer missle is. although that might look werid too.<br><br>You could try and mount the single las' on the twin linked las cannons on the side mounts for a three barrel....thing. I dont know, i bet you can work with it though. <br><br>At any rate, 5 las cannon shots a turn from a land raider in cover is pretty nice. <br><br>The chapter council look fantastic. Just greenstuff some hair on a few of them and they will look great. <br><br><br>I was talking to a friend that has the apocolypse book and some of what he was telling me just sounds awesome. Flyers are in, andThunderhawks use the huge new pieplate for their main cannon, the baneblade uses a bigger template now than the old one. Flyers will use rules similar to Epic, they dont leave the table, and all models firing on them subtract 12" from their range and only hit on 6's. They flyer has to move a minimum distance too. It sounds like a lot of big stuff is being increased in killiness from the original forgeworld models.<br><br> I got to see the new apocolypse templates first hand, they are stupid big. the diameter of the big flamer at the end is a pie plate, and it is crazy long. It will also be used for flyers that drop napalm style bombs and for straffing runs. All you need to play normal 40K is that big flamer, it has all other templates within it. The new pie plate (pizza pan?) is enormous, 10" in diameter, its bigger than your head. The four leaf clover template is 5 pie plates. When you fire a barage with that thing, you roll a die for each shot of the barrage and the result means that shot lands in one of the 5 templates. Also, when you fire it all shots land at once, meaning if you were to fire a 4 shot barrage and all four shots were to land on one of the five sections of the template, any models underneath would take 4 wounds instead of determining results individually as you do in normal 40K. Also, the templates overlap each other, so it is possible for a model to be under two, and really gett pulverized.<br><br>It sounds like these barrages dont scatter either, although dont quote me on that, it is my guess. But what i can say is that three bassies sound like they will murder things.<br><br>The book is as big as the BGB, and is meant to come with a ton of full color pages, converted models and tons of fluff. They have pictures of a lot of the new orc stuff in the book too, from what i have been told, including the bikes which really do look like choppers or harlies as i have been told.<br><br>My buddy told me that there are two things you need to understand when playing apocolypse:<br>1.) dont expect much to survive the game<br>2.) dont expect the games to last all day. he said it moves pretty quick and is a ton of fun.<br>Also, the recomended table sizes are given for each points level. I think they use the normal table up to 4K, and then it gets bigger after that. My buddy said they expect people to use super heavies which are worth a lot of points but dont use up too much table space.<br><br>Also, there are meant to be a lot of scpecial rules if you use certain formations. For instance, if you use a complete space marine company, 10 leman russ tanks, etc. they will have special bonuses. <br><br>The table will use diagnal deployment zones. You basically draw a line from one cornor to the far cornor and then you can set up models anywhere within 6" of that line. So yes, you could start 12" apart if you so chose. There are three objectives in the games, one in no mans land, and one in each deployment zone. So defense of your own objective is as important as taking the contested ones. I am assuming there are more missions than that, but that is the only that i was told about.<br>It all sounds very fun.<br><br>I have been told that the book will be available at the LA games day with the uber nerd back pack (which has patches available for each army) and the templates all for $100. I am going to LA games day, so if it really is for sale there and i can get my hands on it ill scan some pics for everyone.<br><br><br>And one last little tid bit that i can remember from the conversation: three vindicators in formation can all fire at the same target and it becomes a 10" diameter strength D attack!!!! Holy crap!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179677.page GMT las cannons on the Terminus have a range of 72 inches, rather than 48?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179740.page GMT LoTD armies now since most of their forces can be obliterated on turn 1. No.... better to bring the defilers, bassys, and Russes. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179784.page GMT GW are trying to do, upscale 40K so people buy larger armies. so far it looks like the wrong way to do it. You get various types of dustbin lid of doom you can dump on the table. It might appeal to kiddies, until they cannot field the armies except by subbing tonka trucks for the various warmachines required to have a force on the table on turn three.<br>Older gamers may lijke the opportunity to use big Forgeworld (or Armorcast) kits in a game, but the novelty will wear off as what little tactics remain in the game will disappear. Who gets 1st turn is important now, it will be worth thousands of points soon. In the end when all is said and done you might end up with a normal 40k game with the surviving remnants in the corners, though they might need to footslogger through the wreckage for a few turns before they can fight it out.<br>I am not optimistic. It will be nice to see rules for multiple vehicles, three yes, but ten Leman Russ, save that for epic. This will get bogged down very quickly, only skimmers will get to manoeuver and shoot, sqiadrons of ten Falcons will be r0xx0ring over everyone. Yawn, as if we didnt have enough problems with Eldar.<br>]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179789.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179789.page GMT 40K. Hell, there really isnt any now. With a very large table things like scouts, air support, deepstrikers, etc. will actually serve a roll similar to what they would in reality. Im not saying it will be a mirror match, but it will be closer. Mechanized units will really shine when compared to foot sloging infantry.<br><br>I think this is an oppertunity to take 40K to the next level, beyond a pick up points efficiency contest. I am really looking forward to the ability to make my own vehicles, design campaigns with friends, etc.<br><br>But that is just my opinion.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179959.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179959.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179985.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179985.page GMT 40k rules. We don't have to buy new things, because most of us have tons of stuff already. It's just a new way to play, and more beer and pretzels fun. This is WAR!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179994.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/179994.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180007.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180007.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180042.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180042.page GMT Da Boss on 08/07/2007 10:40 AM<br /> The number of massive templates makes me think that playing orks will be pointless in this expansion.[/quote] <br /> All Kan army! "Kans can do!"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180057.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180058.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180066.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180066.page GMT GW for that. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180069.page GMT GW for anything like?<br>I found the front and back needed filling to stick together, the legs needed pins, the feet fall off and the weapon arms don't fit in properly. That and the horrendous amount of flash.<br>Anyway, enough of my stereotypical hi-jacking of a perfectly good thread. Where's Kyoto to make an amusing remark about premature baldness?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180071.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180071.page GMT Da Boss on 08/07/2007 1:46 PM<br /> Well, if you guys want to spend that amount of money/time assembling the current metal kans, go ahead.  [/quote] Or you could do what most Ork players I've come across have done, and build your own... They're one of the eaiest scratchbuilds going with the current box design.<br />]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180078.page GMT Da Boss on 08/07/2007 1:46 PM<br /> I'll believe the Stompa when I see it. I've been hearing the "problems with the sprue" excuse for so long now it hardly makes me bat an eyelid.<br /> [/quote] <br />   If they release it by the time I'm ready for a Stompa, I'll probably use it.  If not, I will happily scratch-build my own unique Orky creation.  Every vehicle in my army is going to be different. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/180119.page GMT
I have seena fellow gamer hard mount the singles in foreward positions ver flush tothe hull and the duals swing in right over them, interesting look, ill toy with as im building as well...


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I thought this looked fishy. What was the point of not starting a new thread?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/220692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/220692.page GMT
Lets lock it down!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/220697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/179416/220697.page GMT