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So, what are some of the best examples of cheesy you've had people try to pull over on you, because you were unclear on a certain army's/units rules/faq? And at what point does it go from 'forgetfulness' ("No no, every Space Marine can upgrade their armor to Terminator armor, I read it somewhere" ), to cheesiness ("I'm pretty sure the Tau Jetpack special rule allows them to hit-and-run, and then assault again in the same phase" ), to blatant cheating ("Yeah, this unit can only be hit on 6s, they have a 1+ armor save, and for every save they make all your units within 18" take 2d6 wounds." )

Me? It was only after a heated battle with the Eldar, the first fight I'd had against the pointy eared Xenos, that I finally picked their codex up for the first time. Did you know that you can't give Titan Holo-Fields to every single Eldar Vehicle in the game? INTERESTING!

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If someone got owned rules wise it was usually an honest mistake in my group, it was those damn outsiders that dont know their stuff. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/242398.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/242398.page GMT
::Hit::

Roll to penetrate Dread

:enetrate::

Roll on Chart

::6::

Me: "He's gone. Let's roll to see the explosion radius"
Him: "No. You have to reroll that 6. I have a Venerable Dread."
Me: "I thought you said it was a Dread?"
Him: "I meant, 'in general," not specifically."
Me: "Hmmm. Okay. Can I see your sheet?"

::Looks at sheet::

He: "Says here that it's a regular Dread."
Him: "Yeah, but I'm using the Venerable model, so I get to use the Venerable rules."
Me: "No. That's not in the rules anywhere."
Him: "Well, that's how me & my little brother play it."
Me: "Does your little brother have any Venerable Dreads?"
Him: "No."

::Long Pause while I look him in the eye to see if he's kidding... he's not::

Me: "Right. So, the Dread's blown up. I'm gonna roll that explosion radius, now..."


Eric]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/242454.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/242454.page GMT FAQ, so they looked up the FAQ and couldn't find anything about it, so he wanted to call the ruleboyz, etc. He argued for an hour about it, and wouldn't let it go. His opponent got so tired of this guy's crap that he just conceded the point. We all knew he was totally full of it, and a few people let him know point blank.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/242460.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/242460.page GMT
Me: "Right. So, the Dread's blown up. I'm gonna roll that explosion radius, now..."


Eric[/quote]

Thats pretty funny.

I do remember one now though, it was a guy i used to work w/ at the FLGS (which is scary he was this dumb). He was begging me for a game for the longest time but i never could stand to be in his presence for any amount of time, it was to the point where he would start talking to me and i would just walk away. Finally i decided i would just shut his ass up by murdering his army then he would maybe leave me alone.

So I was using my Death Guard which at that time was pretty nasty cause i had tempered the list at GT/RT's, he had Necrons. Short story shorter, i phased him out turn 3 but he had never heard of phase out and said i was making it up. After about 20 min of him arguing and whining about a rule thats clear as day in the codex he asked if i wanted to play again...

And thats the first time i killed a man.

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Wouldn't that effectively make Hormoguants totally free then? That... that defies even the most BASIC of logic...

"This is my 12 point Carnifex... and his 6 friends!"

Amazing!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249640.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249640.page GMT CC armys, and one army of his was Khorne. Using the old 3rd/4th edition codex, he had bloodletters as his troops choice.

Funny thing was, we were playing at an RTT which required we each have 1 troop choice on the field, everything else was in reserve. Well, he didn't HAVE troops, least not ones that were available on turn 1.

Looking back now, I probably could have broken him of his powergaming ways by just insisting he forfeit, but I decided to be a good sport. I ended up losing, and he placed 3rd.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249670.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249670.page GMT
He had an ork nob unit (3ed codex) - 10 strong. So, there's 200-some points to start. They all had 3+/5+ saves (hard armor + the +1sav wargear, plus cybork bodies), big choppas or power klaws (forget which), pistols with like all 3 upgrades (more dakka/the plasma one/the +1 str one), grenades, etc. Somehow, he added up this unit to be like 300 points. I wasn't even playing the game and went off on him a bit, "How did that not strike you as wrong? The unit starts at 200, and each guy has like 50 points of wargear!"

Another time, he showed up with his World Eaters (4ed CSM codex) who all had FNP (this time, I think he actually managed to pay the points for it and do math right). Someone pointed out it was Wargear, and models without access to the armory couldn't buy it. After about 20 minutes of arguement, and several other people saying, "no, no, can't do that," he finally re-did his army list.

I remember at a tourney, another player pulled on my orks that BA (3ed) always re-rolled hit/wound - whatever the dude with the grail did - and it was just on the charge.

This is why I hate when there are a long list of special rules and abilities (PP is really bad at this). I'll give people the benefit of the doubt once and 'trust' that they made a mistake/didn't understand the rules right/etc. and that it wasn't a deliberate mistake. But, I've lost track of how many times in a tournament, I've had the army codex out, "no, no, that's not how it works." "Yes it is." "No, read the rules, you don't get it unless you charge/are with 6"/wearing power armor/etc." When there are a handful of USRs, it's easy to know and understand them all. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249680.page GMT GW is simplifying the army lists, removing Wargear, etc. in the new Codices. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249684.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249684.page GMT
A little OT, but I recall something along the same lines once, way back, when I was playing Halo2 online. I remember I was beating this kid (sounded 12 or so) and he finally said, something like "stop doing that, or I'll turn on the game genie".

Yeah, if you have to resort to cheating to win, you pretty much know you're a tool.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249696.page GMT FLGS, and we intend to keep it that way, hence encouraging new blood. However, this kid defied even us. I dunno what his deal was.

I also used to tutor on the side ot make money, had this one kid I was basically babysitting to get his homework done. Had to quite because I found out that his parents, who were both engineers, were spending the same time period watching TV and basically just screwing off, while I was in there teaching him grade school math. It was quit, or go home every night feeling violated and praying that I would wake up dead having choked on my own vomit. ANYWAY, he used to hack into characters for online games for fun, used a hex editor. Would open up a character, and just toy around with different parts of mthe code until he figured out how to turn a freaking spit-ball class weapon into a BFG SunGun of Death, Doom, and Damnation. The people he played against would just get beligerent when he trashed them. I think it was mechwarrior, not sure.

edited because I lost the freaking plot.

Back to my FLGS, we had another guy who was amazing. Really passive, nice enough guy, but had GADFR (Gaming Associated Dissociation From Reality. made that up myself, can you tell?) so bad it was simply amazing. The Scatter Die incident was classic. I shot at something with a Leman Russ pie plate. I rolled a scatter die to determine scatter, and did not touch it afterwords b/c this guy was showing signs of mental gymnastics of the SPED variety. Said die pointed in a direction with it's nifty littl arrow, went a good distance as well. He said that it clearly scattered dead on top onto one of my units, which was about 100 degrees in another direction. It was not a small discrepancy here, it was about as obvious as a turd falling out of your forehead. I had to stop other people in the store from participatingin the debate, because they were getting so worked up that he was being so blatant. Yes, the die WAS pointing at one of HIS units. I gave it to him b/c it was a game and therefore of limited import, he was clearly delusional, and I wanted to see if I could take the game anyway, even with the handicap (it vaporized a rather expensive unit of mine under his "un-divine guidance", per say.) he induced. What got me was that he had the nerve to complain after the game that the other guys were chewing his kiester. I just decided to use him as a challenge opponent, in that if I could whup him to the point that he couldn't "mentally magic" his way out of it, he was whupped indeed. In actuallity, never played him again, I think he left the scene. Too bad, the guy could paint.

KiMonarrez: I can only hope kids like your lil genie get bored with the cheating and switch it around. Hopefully he was trying to wean himself off the damn thing. Sometimes good judgement really is only a direct result ofbad, to hack up a cliche.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249715.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249733.page GMT

It was a firendly game, so I let i slide, but I proclaimed loudly every round when I killed "the one with teh Reaper autocannon". By the end of the game he must have had 5 Reaper Autocannons in that squad.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249755.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249755.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249759.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249772.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249772.page GMT
My friend called him out on it though. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249905.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249905.page GMT
After a couple of years we all figured him out (it wasn't hard, he flat out boasted about being able to bluff some poor newbie into a crushing defeat) and started demanding that he back up whatever outrageous claim it was, in print. He stopped coming around after that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249923.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249933.page GMT
Had someone tell me his guy with a Power Field (remember those? 2+ inv save) got to roll for it on two dice since he was wearing terminator armor. Do you know how hard it is to kill a guy who has to roll a 2 or better on 2 dice added together?

75% of the people in that store was cheaters and thieves, and the people who worked there didn't care. Geee, I wonder why they went out of business.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249943.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249943.page GMT 40k, hashed me first several games. Trying to teach me all kinds of cheating maneuvers (moving rhinos front to back, etc...). Then I started playing at another location, and learned just how much this ape had bent and broken rules just to get in wins on a noob. Well, fast forward a couple months, tourney comes up, and I'm facing him in a tourney. No draws here, straight up victory points FTW or FTL. I beat him by 13 points, and he wigged. I didn't happy dance, but maybe I shoulda.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249959.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/249959.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250007.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250007.page GMT
We also had a guy who would literally start crying in the middle of a game if you started killing his stuff and would go to other tables and act like he was going to smash your minis with his hand/book/minis case etc... Well, one time in a Fantasy tourny his 800 point lord was killed instantly by a doom diver. He proceeded to smash the other players minis in frustration... the other player proceeded to grab him by the back of his head and bounce his face off the table... He finally stopped coming.
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It's people like that that give the rest of us "normal" geeks a really bad name. It's a fricken game of toy soldiers, fer cryin' out loud.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250204.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250204.page GMT
There was one kid a LGS I used to go to. He rarely played a game. Someone told me it was because he couldn't stand to lose, so if he didn't play but sat around playing mathhammer or theorymachine all day, it made him sound like the smartest guy there. But really, most of the time it was so obvious that it sounded like a politican was speaking (OT, I can't stand any politican who says stuff like, "Kids smoking is bad."). "Marines will beat stormtroopers in melee. Assault marines are better in melee than tactical marines. Hurr!"

And of course, then there was the guy in 2ed who had a SM Hero (I think it was a captain) who had terminator armor AND a jump pack. "Rules don't say you can't!" "Actually, the FAQ in WD says you can't." "That's just WD, that doesn't make it official or anything, and they can't expect you to have to buy their shoddy magazine for it. If everyone doesn't have it, it doesn't count." ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250210.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250210.page GMT FAQs so you can avoid arguments, comes up against a player who doesn't and accuses you of being a rules lawyer because you do?

That's what I can't stand. FAQs are made for a reason, and if you can't print out a couple of pages of ink but you can buy a $500 army, I...I really don't know what to say.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250237.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250237.page GMT
As for odd players, I was once playing at a table that was large enough to accomidate 2 games as once. The game going on next to mine was between some kid (~15 years old or so) and "Bitter Devorced Man". While the game seemed to flow reasonably well, "Bitter Devorced Man" spent the whole game trying to warn the kid off marrage and informing him of all the horrible things women were going to do to him later in life. It got bad enough (and the kid was getting really uncomfortable with the situation) that I had to step in and get the guy to lay off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250280.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250280.page GMT
There was the DE player who measures front to back on all of her models. When you do this for the Raider move, the disembark, the fleet of foot, and the Wyth's 12" charge (they always seemed to get) then they go -

Move 12" + Raider Length 7" + Disembark 2" + Base 1" + Fleet d6" + Base 1" + Charge 12" + Base 1"

This yields a 46+d6" charge on turn 1, not much stopping that...

Then there was the Necron player who would constantly try to convince his opponents that Gauss and Rending were the same thing.

We also have the players of horde armies that will set up everry model spaced out 2" apart, and will only measure the front line, and magically when they charge you their entire unit is able to attack, even though the front and back were 9" apart before they charged.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250294.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250294.page GMT
And you know what?

This kid wasn't even my opponent.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250296.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250296.page GMT
I'd hate to think what he's doing know with apocalypse and baneblades...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250299.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250299.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250302.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250302.page GMT [/quote]

Yah well I think the kid was getting ready to sware off women for life.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250698.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250705.page GMT
It took about 3 minutes at a game store to find out how wrong I was, and how weak my army was...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250730.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250917.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/250917.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/251076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/251076.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/251130.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/251130.page GMT
That must have well and truly sucked.

But yeah, I have a buddy who plays Templars, and, I suppose understandably, to this day he does not get how Rapid Fire weapons work. I have to very patiently explain it to him every time it comes up. It's so bad he purposefully avoids any and all kind of Rapid Fire weapons. So at least there's no Plasma to worry about...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/251141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/251141.page GMT
Playing at game stores is just asking for an encounter with aberrant psychology. Having a club that kicks out dweebs helps that, too.

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I said, "Hey, those dice don't have any spots!"

He said, "Yeah, I had a guy in Chicago rub 'em off for me. But don't worry, I remember where the spots used to be."

Wait, that wasn't me. That was Frank Sinatra shooting craps in "Guys and Dolls". Never mind...

James]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/253965.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/253965.page GMT Ld rolls too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/253970.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/253970.page GMT
This guy had all kinds of tricks. He would use a big handful of those little tiny 3mm dice, roll em right in front of himself, make a show of looking at them, and then scoop them up and declare the results. He never had his army lists written down. He misinterpreted the rules a lot too.

My first time in the store, he cornered me and wanted to play. I ignorantly said yes, and he started unpacking his chaos army. We start setting up, and he puts a titan on the board. When I protested, he said that if he couldn't play with it, then we couldn't play. I stupidly agreed. So he starts his turn, and says the titan is firing it's plasma destructor. When I ask about this, he shows me an old book with some stats for a chaos titan in it, clearly way out of date. The plasma destructor was S10 AP2, large blast template, didn't have to roll to hit, and did twice the number of wounds as models under the template. I didn't win.

I remember another thing from that store. I was watching a game between two marine players, when one guy nails his opponent's emperor's champion with something big, and the other guy rolls and fails his invuln. The first guy starts to go on, and the second guy picks up the die and rolls it again. When asked what he was doing he said he was rerolling the invuln save. When asked how he was able to do this he replied that he mastercrafted the iron halo. It was a good laugh.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254527.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254527.page GMT
How's that work?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254531.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254531.page GMT
How's that work?[/quote]

Loaded dice have a slug of something heavy (usualy lead) in them to weight one side more than the others. This is most often done by drilling out the "1" and filling it in with the slug. When the die is then rolled, the weight will pull the "1" side down significantly more than the other sides thus causing the die to roll a 6 more often than not. If you take the die (or dice as the case may be) and drop them in water, they will either float or sink slowly to the bottom. If they are unloaded, they will sink / float with a random side up. If they are loaded, they will always sink and due to the weight, always sink with the loaded side pointed down.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254541.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254541.page GMT
How's that work?[/quote]

Loaded dice have a slug of something heavy (usualy lead) in them to weight one side more than the others. This is most often done by drilling out the "1" and filling it in with the slug. When the die is then rolled, the weight will pull the "1" side down significantly more than the other sides thus causing the die to roll a 6 more often than not. If you take the die (or dice as the case may be) and drop them in water, they will either float or sink slowly to the bottom. If they are unloaded, they will sink / float with a random side up. If they are loaded, they will always sink and due to the weight, always sink with the loaded side pointed down.[/quote]

You seem awfully knowledgeable about the manufacture of loaded dice there Phoenix

I tried the microwave method on one for a lark with my then 8 year old boy. Didn't really work-can't be ubercool to the kidlet when your neat science experiement fails...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254548.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254548.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254550.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254550.page GMT
Now again, I wonder... Do I want to try this at home? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254561.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254561.page GMT
And of course, then there was the guy in 2ed who had a SM Hero (I think it was a captain) who had terminator armor AND a jump pack. "Rules don't say you can't!" "Actually, the FAQ in WD says you can't." "That's just WD, that doesn't make it official or anything, and they can't expect you to have to buy their shoddy magazine for it. If everyone doesn't have it, it doesn't count." [/quote]

strangely enough, GW, bless thier infinite wisdom, now agree with that, since they don't do FAQ's anymore.

Obviously, you're in the wrong hobby if you think otherwise. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254767.page GMT
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It just comes with the territory I suppose. I bought a set of loaded dice (3d6) at a game convention once when I was in junior high. They were so heavily weighted that they would roll and spin around very unnaturally on the 1. It was obvious to most people that something was up. I never really used them for anything but it was fun to joke with them on occasion.

As far as the science of figuring out if dice are loaded goes, I spent enough time in school studying buoyancy and other assorted physical properties that I had better be able to figure something like that out. If not, I may have to go return my degree.

As a side note, stay in school, it will allow you to figure out if your opponents are cheating and will give you the math skills (if you take math of course) necessary to get fully involved in the 40k sub-game, Mathhammer 40,000.

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And the thread comes full circle...

Does this mean it dies now?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254924.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254924.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254973.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/254973.page GMT
Wow, he really does...
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/255082.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/207657/255082.page GMT FLGS, and we intend to keep it that way, hence encouraging new blood. However, this kid defied even us. I dunno what his deal was.

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wtf I have dyslexia and I never had any thing on the tabelthat wasn't on my army list ( and the points wear on it to and correct) I would be pist on the guy.


on other not friend of my play against a dark angel player death wing I think the thing with al de termies. he woud deepstrike an charge on the same turn saying it was aloud for his army.
so day after the game I ask a friend if it was possible to borrow his dark angel codex so I could look it up and they can't. and it seems he was doing this to everyone.
and sad to the people go busted him that go would never play them again cause they cheat.
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