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Article Discussion: Tactica Carnifex

lord_sutekh — GMT

Is there any possibility of an update of the tactica for 5th ed.? I imagine that the shift in the rules may make some changes in the utility of different builds and biomorphs.

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yakface — GMT

It's certainly a possibility, but I would definitely want to wait for any 5th ed Tyranid codex conversion FAQ to come out before writing anything up.

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lord_sutekh — GMT

Fair enough; I look forward to it.

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Accipiter — GMT

Would anyone (Yak?) object to some basic mathhammer for 5th ed alternative ellite fexs, [i]now[/i]?

Im thinking a Barbed Strangler on an ellite Fex is a [i]very[/i] attractive choice now. I have ideas on how to equip it, but Im open to general discussion on the concept of a BS Ellite 'Fex and what it's role and tactical options would be.

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Orlanth — GMT

I like the Barbed strangler and scything talon elite fex.

It looks nasty asnd has a poweful template weapon that doesnt mind being BS2 anymore. You cannot take any meaingiful gun to back up the barbed strangler for the points, so should take the talon instead.

On that level I equipped both my Carnies with one scything talon, including my 'dakkafex' (lite). I think it is much more fair than the full 8 shot version for non tourney play.

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Greebynog — GMT

One point I thought was odd in this article was completely unrelated to carnies.
[quote=Yakface]
[q]Many creatures in 40K make you pay a penalty if you use them against the role their statistics were built for. Orks, for example, pay 6 points for a statline that includes 2 Attacks. In the case of Shoota Boys, the Ork player is effectively paying for an extra Attack that is unlikely to be of use the whole game. If given the option to remove the extra attack off that Shoota Boy for 1 point a model, the majority of smart gamers would jump at the chance.[/quote]

What?! No chance! The whole point of shoota boyz is the versatility, they're great shooting and in combat. Blast 'em first, mop up the dregs. I think it's a poor example. May I suggest the example of if guard dropped a point but lost WS or initiative?

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Lormax — GMT

Encourages min/maxing, no thanks.

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yakface — GMT

[quote=Greebynog]One point I thought was odd in this article was completely unrelated to carnies.
[quote=Yakface]
[q]Many creatures in 40K make you pay a penalty if you use them against the role their statistics were built for. Orks, for example, pay 6 points for a statline that includes 2 Attacks. In the case of Shoota Boys, the Ork player is effectively paying for an extra Attack that is unlikely to be of use the whole game. If given the option to remove the extra attack off that Shoota Boy for 1 point a model, the majority of smart gamers would jump at the chance.[/quote]

What?! No chance! The whole point of shoota boyz is the versatility, they're great shooting and in combat. Blast 'em first, mop up the dregs. I think it's a poor example. May I suggest the example of if guard dropped a point but lost WS or initiative?[/quote]

The original article referenced the 8 point Shoota boy, which is a pretty big difference from a 6 point shoota boy. I changed it when the new Ork codex came out but you're right, it isn't the best reference to get the point across anymore.

Updating this article for 5th edition is on my radar, but I have so many other things I'm doing right now it's not going to happen anytime soon.

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Greebynog — GMT

Sorry, my bad. Didn't realise it was 4th ed. I don't think it's top priority anyway!

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Auretious Taak — GMT

One thing that you said in the article is that there is a 115pt cap for elite carnifexs. Re-read the codex entry it actuallt states LESS THEN 115 pts, so you are stuck at 114 pts max. This is important as it limits certain combinations like taking 2 twinlinked deathspitters under 5th which would actually be quite worth it for popping both light vehicles as well as close-packed infantry at a greater range then the dakkafex especially as you don't need the BS upgrade from enhanced senses in this edition so much particularly as they are twin-linked already.

Also, a re-discussion on BS and Barbed Stranglers/Deathspitters on a Dakkafex or gun fex would be nice as options discussed. Yes a standard Gunfex is better in most cases but against certain armies deathspitters are useful now, but that's for you to discuss if you expand the article.

Great read otherwise, well done.

Auretious Taak.

P.S. Now I understand what all the 'Fex names reference exactly, cheers.

P.P.S. One opion you didn't look at for a dakkafex was 2 twin-devourers and spine-banks. Evn on BS 2 you sill hit a good chunk of the time and every now and then you get more blasts going.

P.P.P.S. For 5th, I also believe a re-addressing of Spore Cysts is needed, especially as you can run now after you drop the Toxin Mine. You may take a wound 1 in 6 times but that spore mine also gets a 4+ cover save from any units between it and the enemy now also, so on a combat orientated fex running in the shooting phase it may be a viable option.