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Can't say I agreed with all his politics or views, but could you say the same about almost anyone I guess.

And he did make some cracking films, so fair play to him.


Do you think we'll get to eat him now then ? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271053.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271053.page GMT

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I would have bought some type of cracker product called "Heston's Own Soylent Green".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271069.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271069.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271141.page GMT
http://www.shortpacked.com/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271350.page GMT
Pity he turned into a Donkey-Cave in his later years.

RIP Charlton Heston.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271395.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271395.page GMT
His movies weren't really what he is a giant for though. He was a true civil rights hero-- he supported MLK2 way before it was safe to do so, especially in a town as racially bigoted as Hollywood in the early 1960s. He had the first on screen love scene with a black actress in The Omega Man, which to put it lightly, was a ballsy move.

Then in the late nineties he became president of the NRA. He gets a lot of hate for it, but I notice it more in people who don't know a lot about the association. Basically, he took it from a good-old boy gun club and a stronghold of antebellum beliefs to the largest and most influential civil rights group IN THE WORLD. He drove out the racist inhabitants of the association and did his best to exorcise their ideology. He believed, very passionately as many Americans do, that the second amendment guarantees all the other ones. He was sure enough in this belief that he voluntarily destroyed what was left of his career to make a stand on it. I really can't see why so many people here and otherwise, make snide little comments about his politics when he was a civil rights champion, first for black equality, then for second amendment protections. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271679.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271679.page GMT
I'm sure he's in that great chariot race in the sky as we speak. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271761.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/271761.page GMT
Possibly because he thought holding an NRA meeting in the townships that suffered a tradgedy(Gun related) soon after, would 'Strengthen the cause'. That pissed a lot of people off.

Considering that 11, 000 US citizens are killed each year by Gun related deaths, maybe he should have spent more time thinking about WHY you all should have guns, as is stated in the 2nd Amendment.

PS, you might want to re-phrase 'snide little comments' with ' statements I do not agrre with'.

He was a great Actor, and his championing of Afro-American rights was a milestone in American history.

As far as the NRA association is concerned though, in total disagreement.

May he rest in peace now. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272193.page GMT
I didn't know much about his championing of civil rights, but from what has been posted here, it sounds like a positive thing.

As someone who has very strong feelings concerning the 2nd Amendment, I do not hold his NRA affiliations against him. That said, I don't know a lot about what he actually did while he was their President.

Alzheimer's is a terrible thing as well, and at least now he no longer has to suffer from it.

May he rest in peace.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272211.page GMT
And you should know that the majority of 'gun deaths' in the US are suicides. So if you were trying to make a point there, go ahead and cut that number in half at a minimum. A very large part of the remainder are crimes committed by unlicensed firearms, meaning that if they have any bearing on the argument it would be to support the idea that legal gun ownership is a necessity! Just look at the VT tragedy if you think that not allowing guns keeps them out of criminals hands. It's childish. I've never met anyone from Brisvegas I didn't like, so let's drop it until... just drop it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272303.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272303.page GMT PC crowd acts as if the 2nd Amendment didn't exist, and those who protect that right are somehow evil. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272306.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272306.page GMT

Alive or not, I would have made the comment about Mr Heston, so no 'snideness' intended.

Ok, so it's only 6000 deaths from firearms in the Great US of A.(Excluding suicides, 'cleaning accidents' etc)
And as I have clearly stated before, I think it one of the greatest countries in history, for its achievements.

Is that still a defensible number Sir?

Do not take anything personally on this forum, as I could care less whether you like me or not, even though I live in 'BrisVegas'-Sir.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272308.page GMT
Funny how the anti 2nd Amendment crowd gloss over that fundamental right thing, and the millions of of instances where flashing a gun, but not using it, has prevented crime.
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Additionally, taking into account the differences, such as 292,00,000 more people living in the US than in Australia might help those numbers get a little more sane to you. If that doesn't work, a closer examination of the reasons for US statehood vis a vis Australian commonwealth status might be in order. Here's a hint, it had something to do with colonists and guns.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272530.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272530.page GMT
Defend your position all you like. You just sound like an ass-hat now.

@jfrazell- sorry mate, was not directing my previous post to you at all. Just this defensive Goombah.

Now I guess I can see why guns would be so popular over there.

His angry, sarcastic posts prove his intelligence/maturity with every word

Ps, 292,00,000 isn't any number I know, so 'clue in a bit.'

Stupid being so pedantic/snide, ain't it?

And here is a hint- go to the "Hello Kitty" website. You would fit right in.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272866.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272866.page GMT
I will say that, as a long time NRA member, I am of course grateful to Mr. Heston for his efforts, in spite of the fact that I am rather upset with the NRA's policies right now.

So without getting into a political argument, let me say that Mr. Heston is one of the few recognizable people who supported what he believed in regardless of the political climate of his time or his associates. He supported civil rights when it wasn't cool. He supported 2nd a. rights when it wasnt popular. In fact, he has defended his beliefs when his side wasn't popular many times, which makes him a man after my own heart.

Yes, Mr. Heston made some comments later in life that would have been offensive to many people. Ironically, that is one of the reasons that I was interested in his story. Mr. Heston had Alzheimer's disease, which I have had first hand experience with. I had a close family member who died from this horrible disease, and I can assure you that victims of the illness can say some pretty wild things sometimes. They can say things that, when their mind was normal, they would never have said when their mind was "normal". They forget everything, from where they placed common household items, to names, to their basic beliefs. Honestly it was no surprise that Charlton Heston became somewhat of a figurehead president of the NRA. I don't know how bad he really got, and from my point of view, that is his business.

I must say my grandmother never forgot my name. I consider myself lucky in that aspect.

God or whatever is up there, bless him.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272881.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272881.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272889.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272889.page GMT
What use is a deactivated rifle?

In all seriousness though, what Mk is it? Reproduction?

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About the same use as an activated rifle in London's leafy suburbs It's from WW1 so is purely decorative.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272901.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272901.page GMT [/quote]

About the same use as an activated rifle in London's leafy suburbs It's from WW1 so is purely decorative.[/quote]

Yah, even as a gun nut a shotgun for hunting and sport just makes more sense in the UK. There is no way I'd want to shoot most rifles there, unless I was sure of what was behind my target.

I think that is what a lot of americans ( and probably continentals) don't understand, there is probably NO WHERE perfectly safe to fire weapons in the UK, except ranges.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272904.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/272904.page GMT Ps, 292,00,000 isn't any number I know, so 'clue in a bit.'
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Ignoring all the bile and venom in your thread, I'm guessing that number is how many more Americans there are than Australians. Sure you have lower numbers of certain crimes, but you also have a far smaller population, so you have to corrct for that. Just showing incident numbers doesn't take into account that.


[quote=Grignard]I think that is what a lot of americans ( and probably continentals) don't understand, there is probably NO WHERE perfectly safe to fire weapons in the UK, except ranges.[/quote]

It's not that they don't know, it's that they don't think about it all probably. I know I don't go around wondering whether rifles are good in x country just for fun during my day.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273035.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273035.page GMT
and a huge opposition at "home" to an unpopular war that had the common man broadly sympathetic to the colonies cause. Our very own Vietnam, like, wow.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273149.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273149.page GMT
In the same year there were 42,000 automobile deaths in the US.

You can take the guns after you take everyones cars. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273298.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273324.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273324.page GMT Don't you have to own a license and pass tests for cars though ?

Or did GM get that amendment through at last ? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273348.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273348.page GMT
Most importantly, the right to drive is not guaranteed under the Bill of Rights of the Constitution, firearms are.
(the above is not accurate in California which has a constitutional right to a vehicle. After all, nobody walks in LA...)
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273355.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273355.page GMT Don't you have to own a license and pass tests for cars though ?

Or did GM get that amendment through at last ? [/quote]



Not true. You need a license to drive on public roads, not to drive at all. Out West the kids can drive all over the ranch legally with no license as long as they stay off public roads.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273369.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273369.page GMT WTF ? So, hypothetically speaking, if restrictions were put in place on car usership, say due to oil shortage/enviromental concerns/prices of apples/whatever, this would require a constituitional amendment to pass or it could be challenged ?


What tests do you have to pass to own a gun then ? I was under the impression, with a dim sense that this varied possibly from state to state, that as it was a right there wouldn't be any tests at all. Live and learn I guess.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273381.page GMT LA of course)

2. Firearms require substantive background checks. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273400.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273400.page GMT WTF ? So, hypothetically speaking, if restrictions were put in place on car usership, say due to oil shortage/enviromental concerns/prices of apples/whatever, this would require a constituitional amendment to pass or it could be challenged ?


What tests do you have to pass to own a gun then ? I was under the impression, with a dim sense that this varied possibly from state to state, that as it was a right there wouldn't be any tests at all. Live and learn I guess.[/quote]

To own a firearm, you don't have to pass any sort of test, but they do a background check, which you have to pay for ( it is not expensive ). The long and short of it is that you can't have a felony on your record ( or certain misdemeanors inolving domestic violence), you cannot be a habitual alchoholic or drug uses ( I'm guessing that is on the honor code, pretty hard to check that one), and you cannot have been declared "mentally defective" ( how is that for objective and not stigmatizing language). You will be fingerprinted as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273432.page GMT first time posting on a forum so please excuse the noob.
As for testing, in California you do have to take a gun safety course (I think only 1 day) or provide proof of military service before you can buy a gun.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273458.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273458.page GMT first time posting on a forum so please excuse the noob.
As for testing, in California you do have to take a gun safety course (I think only 1 day) or provide proof of military service before you can buy a gun.[/quote]

Really? In Tennessee and Colorado ( I've purchased firearms, handguns specifically in those states) to just get the weapon you have a background check. If you want a carry permit, there is more involved, including training, and getting a FFL is an entirely different matter of course.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273595.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273595.page GMT first time posting on a forum so please excuse the noob.
As for testing, in California you do have to take a gun safety course (I think only 1 day) or provide proof of military service before you can buy a gun.[/quote]

Really? In Tennessee and Colorado ( I've purchased firearms, handguns specifically in those states) to just get the weapon you have a background check. If you want a carry permit, there is more involved, including training, and getting a FFL is an entirely different matter of course.[/quote]

California has a CCW permit, BUT, the application is determined by county and that county's sheriff. For instance in Humboldt County, which is the ass end of California, it would be quite a bit easier to be issued a CCW Permit than say SF, Sac, or LA counties, unless you have a large amount of money, or are a bodyguard to some rich person. Also, in order to purchase a weapon in california the same safety course is required along with a lengthy background check, I think it's 7-14 days.

I find anti-gun, pro-gun control viewpoints detestable. What's even more obtuse than that is people from other countries who I doubt have lived in the US for any length of time. I've grown up all my life hunting ducks, pheasant, chukar, deer, wild pigs since I was about 5 (not in that order either), I was taught how to respect and handle firearms safely.

When seconds count, the police are minutes away. Also, it is not the job of law enforcement to be every US citizen's personal bodyguard.

I apologize for not attempting to get this thread on track.

RIP Mr. Heston, thank you for your service with our country during WW2 also.

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What, just in general ? And then you wonder why you're so disliked abroad. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273804.page GMT
M.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273808.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273808.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273845.page GMT
All things being equal I thought he was pretty neat guy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273920.page GMT
What, just in general ? And then you wonder why you're so disliked abroad. [/quote]

I didn't articulate that correctly, dangit. I apologize for contributing to getting the thread off track.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/273992.page GMT

OOPS!! Didn't realize there was a second page !!!

Godspeed Mr. Heston.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/280040.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/210072/280040.page GMT