http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/7.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net Is there any way we can identify loaded dice easily without any fancy gadgets? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291607.page GMT
Drop it in 6-up, then 5-up, 4-up, and so on.

See how quickly it falls.

Now drop an ordinary die in. If it doesn't float, it tumbles as it falls slowly.

BTW, note that the loaded die is opaque, while casino dice are clear... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291610.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291619.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291619.page GMT 40k. Especial as the canny cheater would not use all loaded dice, but mix them into are larger amount of similar looking dice. Say, 25:75. This way he skews his dice notably, without actually being notable.

I don't think theres anyway to catch these guys. My policy though is if they want to win that bad, let em. No one actually respects someone who wins through luck. Similarly, there's little loss of status when you lose to luck.

-Leo037]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291621.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291621.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291628.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291628.page GMT
[img]http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s102/kahne8198/ChrisHanson.jpg[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291644.page GMT Is there any way we can identify loaded dice easily without any fancy gadgets? [/quote]

Most people who play 40K are easily winded. I suggest a mob armed with the red bendy sticks and flamer templates would be sufficient to catch and chastise them.

Oh you meant how to determine...never mind

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291651.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291680.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291688.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291688.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291726.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291726.page GMT I have been thinking of getting a small set for use with my Callidus though. She has been consistently rolling 1's for melee wounds the past 3 games. Litterally, she has rolled a 1 for every wound for 3 games. Granted, it was only about 6-10 hits total since she gets squished soon after leaving her kill zone untouched, but still.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291730.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291731.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291731.page GMT
(Just one line I like to use at work. Just sub the words
textbook or multiple partners...)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291758.page GMT I have been thinking of getting a small set for use with my Callidus though. She has been consistently rolling 1's for melee wounds the past 3 games. Litterally, she has rolled a 1 for every wound for 3 games. Granted, it was only about 6-10 hits total since she gets squished soon after leaving her kill zone untouched, but still.[/quote]

Yes, that what I meant. Ordinary dice (Chessex) are biased towards 1. Casino dice are not detectably biased, so they throw fewer 1s than Chessex = more 6s.

Don't give up on your Callidus dice yet. Slowly but surely they are getting charged up with better probabilities.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291763.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291763.page GMT
arrr, but not all diseases are bad.... that's why as a race we're getting iller...think about the cave men eating raw meat etc. They survived but when we started cooking/cleaning our bodie became lazy as they didn't have to fight off as many infectios things. Those clever marketing bend it to thier advantage with their anti bacterial sprays...kills 99% of all known bacteria, and then you get adverts saying by this good bacteria drink. Bet these companies are all linked at some point, they kill off the good bacteria so they can sell it back to us. Remind you of any other compaies tkaing their customers for a ride....anyone at GW listening?......WE DON'T WANT BAD BACTERIA KILLED, THEY'RE OUR FRIENDS!!!!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291771.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291771.page GMT
arrr, but not all diseases are bad.... that's why as a race we're getting iller...think about the cave men eating raw meat etc. They survived but when we started cooking/cleaning our bodie became lazy as they didn't have to fight off as many infectios things. Those clever marketing bend it to thier advantage with their anti bacterial sprays...kills 99% of all known bacteria, and then you get adverts saying by this good bacteria drink. Bet these companies are all linked at some point, they kill off the good bacteria so they can sell it back to us. Remind you of any other compaies tkaing their customers for a ride....anyone at GW listening?......WE DON'T WANT BAD BACTERIA KILLED, THEY'RE OUR FRIENDS!!!!!![/quote]

*Takes two steps back, searches for an exit*]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291778.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291780.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291780.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291798.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291802.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291802.page GMT http://www.snopes.com/rumors/20bill.asp]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291806.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291806.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291810.page GMT 40k... yeah that's the ticket... I mean... yeah its tragic....

So... about those dice?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291837.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291846.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291846.page GMT
G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291849.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291849.page GMT
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/That%27s_How_I_Roll_-_A_Scientific_Analysis_of_Dice]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291864.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291864.page GMT 40k... yeah that's the ticket... I mean... yeah its tragic....

So... about those dice?[/quote]

I saw some in a tourist shop in Florida while on vacation last summer.

Where do you get reasonably priced Vegas style dice? I did a search yesterday and the cheapest I could find was $1 apiece. Don't wanna spend $50 on dice just to make a few more saves. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291882.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291882.page GMT
Drop it in 6-up, then 5-up, 4-up, and so on.

See how quickly it falls.

[/quote]

Hmmm. All the store has is 7-Up. Can I just use Sprite instead?

{cue lafftrack}]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291940.page GMT lol'd.

I'm ashamed of myself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/291941.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292064.page GMT I think you're thinking of the theory some people have that if you put a die 6-up in the microwave for a couple of seconds then the die will melt ever so slightly and weight it.

Dunno if it works

-Leo037]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292101.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292101.page GMT
"Fat man dressed as Gandalf assaults pimply kid dressed in cardboard space marine armor at games day because of loaded dice, news at 11."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292389.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292389.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292392.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292392.page GMT I think you're thinking of the theory some people have that if you put a die 6-up in the microwave for a couple of seconds then the die will melt ever so slightly and weight it.

Dunno if it works

-Leo037[/quote]

I think microwaves only heat liquids or the liquids inside of things. It's why when you microwave a jelly donut (one that you didn't put in the freezer) the donut itself is cold but the jelly is like magma.

If you spin a loaded die it will spin and fall awkwardly. That's the way I've seen it done. Pretty effective. Everyone I play with buys all their dice from the same company and the same store though. We've accidentally made dice selection uniform. If it becomes a problem tell that cheaty face to buy some new dice (see through ones).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292394.page GMT
That's not to say this same frequency [i]won't[/i] excite certain plastic molecules. Sounds urban-legendish however.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292403.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292403.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292421.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292421.page GMT
I have some casino dice from Atlantic City but I never use em. They were drilled through the middle for some reason, so I always figured that would through the weight off so I never bothered with em.

As far as the chessex dice go really though, I don't think they roll more 1's.. it's all in your head. But, most of my old dice always rolled kinda bad, I had a random mixed assortment of all sizes and colors from all kinds of games. then i bought a brand new block of clear ones with happy green sparkles inside and I started rolling really good all the time.. but I lost one of them at a tourney, and ever since they've rolled bad. The magic only works when all are present, apparently.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292435.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292451.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292451.page GMT
I have some casino dice from Atlantic City but I never use em. They were drilled through the middle for some reason, so I always figured that would through the weight off so I never bothered with em.[/quote]

Some casinos drill through used sets of dice before selling them as souvenirs. It's similar to what they do with decks of cards, where the cards have square corners while "live" which are rounded when the deck is retired, preventing anyone introducing counterfeit or tampered cards or dice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292470.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292474.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292474.page GMT
I have a deck from Harrah's.

They drilled through the deck, so every card has a hole in it.

Re-cutting the corners is far more time-consuming and less effective than using a drill press.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292520.page GMT
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/That%27s_How_I_R..._A_Scientific_Analysis_of_Dice[/quote]
Does that sound bogus to anyone else? [b]29% ones!?[/b] That means that almost one out of every three rolls with a chessex/GW die will be a one. I don't know about you, but that is definitely not the case with my dice. I'd be willing to bet that they aren't very well balanced, but 29% is absurd. Maybe this should be it's own thread, but still.

-Leo037]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292536.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292536.page GMT
The reality is that it's not possible to avoid people who want to cheat. And my solution of finding a good gaming group won't help people in a tournament setting. If you encounter a cheater, it sucks, but I'm not sure how I would go about it.

I have met other players in my time who have done the whole "move a squad, unmove the squad, move the squad again, unmove the squad again, and move the squad again" thing (while pretending to really think about what his strategy is) which somehow magically puts the squad 10-12 inches away from its original position when it was only supposed to be able to move 6 inches. Then there's the after movement "spread the squad out to max coherency" which gains the squad another couple of more inches. I don't want to deal with people like that, so I let them have their win and never play with them again.

I've never suspected someone of using loaded dice, though. Perhaps a tournament forcing everyone to use CLEAR dice would solve that problem. And if your opponent pulls out his casino style dice, then you should pull out yours. It's all about being fair, right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292557.page GMT
here's another fun microwave trick. Take an old CD and put it in the microwave for like 3 seconds. It'll spark a lot but when you take it out afterwards you'll get a really cool lightning crack pattern all over it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292614.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292614.page GMT
Thank you!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292655.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292655.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292658.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292658.page GMT
Furbies, on the other hand, do marvelous things in the microwave... like scream "help me!!!!" until the sparks fly between its eyes
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292698.page GMT RTT against an Imperial Guard who I believe used loaded dice. I think they were loaded because in the first 3 turns no die ever rolled lower than a 4...he hits everything he shot at, wounded everything, made armorsaves, [i]and failed all his Ld[/i]. He refused to let me roll some of the dice when it would have been convenient.

I turtled my dark eldar behind terrain and made sure he had nothing to shoot at the rest of the game while making him take Ld checks from my shooting. Worked well. I won, he was visibly frustrated by me playing 'VP denial', and I heard from his other two opponents about his 'hot dice' all game. Never saw that guy around our tournaments again, so the problem just corrected itself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292715.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292715.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292717.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292717.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292726.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292726.page GMT
I once thought the same, however my Iron Warriors dice roll better for my Imperial Guard than my Imperial Guard dice and neither set works well for my Iron Warriors.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292752.page GMT GW gets their dice from the same place that made the red measuring sticks I'd be a bit suspect...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/292949.page GMT
Most people who play 40K are easily winded.

[/quote]

Why is that?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293283.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293284.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293284.page GMT
Of course, if you put your opponent in the microwave, they might confess to using loaded dice....and then explode. Damn, been reading that Inquisition Codex too much again...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293289.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293289.page GMT
I would rather have exploding dice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293631.page GMT
Most people who play 40K are easily winded.

[/quote]

Why is that?[/quote]

Because they are mostly fat like me

Hey Dakka dice aren't loaded. They just realize the greatness that is Dakka and naturally award their owner extra benefits. Heartily recommended. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293632.page GMT I think you're thinking of the theory some people have that if you put a die 6-up in the microwave for a couple of seconds then the die will melt ever so slightly and weight it.

Dunno if it works

-Leo037[/quote]

Interesting. I don't believe it. Assuming the plastic they use will actually heat up and melt in a microwave I don't see how it will add mass.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293658.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293658.page GMT
LOL

Dude... I'm nearly 37 years old. I'm NOT dumb enough to try that.

...but I'm immature enough to be curious as HECK about precisely what happens.


Spill the beans?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293671.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/293671.page GMT
THe idea is that if the plastic softens gravity will pull it down slightly, making the side on the bottom a tiny bit heavier.

Of course, that assumes a microwave can soften plastic in the desired way.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/294099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/294099.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/294106.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/294106.page GMT RTT's, and had the howling griffons to prove it.

His dice weren't weighted, but rather had two sixes and no ones.

I haven't seen him in a couple of years though. Probably chased off eBay and out of the RTT circuit.
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THe idea is that if the plastic softens gravity will pull it down slightly, making the side on the bottom a tiny bit heavier.

Of course, that assumes a microwave can soften plastic in the desired way.[/quote]

Oh, my bad, when I read weight it I was thinking adding weight instead of changing how it is distributed. That might be interesting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/296837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/296837.page GMT
LOL

Why you would even attempt that is beyond me. Did he really think that no one would notice that he had never lost a single termy to a bad save the entire game when hit by small arms fire? Especially since the 1 and 5 sides of a die are side by side. I'm surprised no one noticed before the end of turn two that he hadn't rolled a single one or that there were two fives on all of his dice.

Silly cheaters. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/296949.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/296949.page GMT RTT's, and had the howling griffons to prove it.

His dice weren't weighted, but rather had two sixes and no ones.

I haven't seen him in a couple of years though. Probably chased off eBay and out of the RTT circuit.
[/quote]

Those are the best of the cheaty dice. If I was going to cheat I'd be rolling two or three in all of my sets. Then late game just pocket the cheaty dice for normal ones, no one would be the wiser. I was just 'lucky' during the early part.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/297046.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/297046.page GMT
THe idea is that if the plastic softens gravity will pull it down slightly, making the side on the bottom a tiny bit heavier.

Of course, that assumes a microwave can soften plastic in the desired way.[/quote]

Oh, my bad, when I read weight it I was thinking adding weight instead of changing how it is distributed. That might be interesting.[/quote]

Well, after a little research, it seems that this might be possible, but I don't think a microwave is the tool for the job.

Note: I am in no way endorsing cheating, and take no responsibility for any bans or beatings that may occur as a result of tampering with dice. Don't try this at home. That said:

The internets seem to tell me that most plastic dice are made from polymethylmethacrylate. This has a melting point not too far above the boiling point of water; one could easily melt such a die with any number of kitchen appliances. Microwaves are probably not suitable; they work by inducing rotation of polar molecules, and while PMMA is fairly polar for an organic molecule, it's significantly less polar than water (which does most of the work of absorbing the energy of a microwave oven when you cook food). More importantly, in a die methylmethacrylate units are linked into polymer chains forming a solid block and have very little freedom to rotate. If you were going to redistribute the weight of some dice, I think a regular oven would work much better.

Of course, I don't know how significant a weight distribution one could achieve without visibly deforming the dice, and any method that tests the balance of a weighted die (like dropping it in water) will catch any die that's been deformed enough to have a real impact on a game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/297088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/297088.page GMT
LOL

Dude... I'm nearly 37 years old. I'm NOT dumb enough to try that.

...but I'm immature enough to be curious as HECK about precisely what happens.


Spill the beans?[/quote]
not exactly, but
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNAIRms7V2Y

and more fun, but NSFW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdF6M2FBKG4

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/297102.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/297102.page GMT lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/312459.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/211706/312459.page GMT