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What are MEQ's

ghostmaker — GMT

Stupid question i've never asked or been told always wondered what a MEQ is ? thanks and sorry for a dumb question like that.

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fellblade — GMT

Put your cursor over the MEQ in your post and wait for the little box to appear.

Nifty, innit?

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ghostmaker — GMT

K well i wanted a lil better answer but now i got it thanks.

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syr8766 — GMT

MEqs: Marine Equivalents. Specifically, anything with a 3+ save, mostly '4s' for their BS/WS/S/T/W/damage, and some kind of leadership bonus/bubble. So, SM and CSM in all their 51 flavors, Necrons, and sometimes Sisters of Battle (though I think there's some debate about this one).

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ghostmaker — GMT

K thats what i thought thank you very much.

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Green Blow Fly — GMT

Good friends teach friends how to play MEQ.

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syr8766 — GMT

You're welcome!

In the future, check out the terminology section. It really tries to clarify whatever technical language we use here on DD (though I'm pretty sure there's no entry for "Hurr!" yet).

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ghostmaker — GMT

K sorry i'm new to forums. so yea.

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H.B.M.C. — GMT

[quote=syr8766]In the future, check out the terminology section. It really tries to clarify whatever technical language we use here on DD (though I'm pretty sure there's no entry for "Hurr!" yet). [/quote]

If you type in 'Spase Mareinz', 'HURR!' or 'Spase Mareinz! HURR!' it should just bring up a box that says 'Space Marines', no matter how obvious it is.

BYE

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Flachzange — GMT

[quote=syr8766]You're welcome!

In the future, check out the terminology section. It really tries to clarify whatever technical language we use here on DD (though I'm pretty sure there's no entry for "Hurr!" yet). [/quote]

I didn know an entry for "Hurr!" was even needed

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The Power Cosmic — GMT

[quote=Green Blow Fly]Friends don't let friends play MEQ.[/quote]

Fixed your typo.

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yakface — GMT

[quote=The Power Cosmic][quote=Green Blow Fly]Friends don't let friends play MEQ.[/quote]

Fixed your typo.[/quote]

I think he may have been making fun of my sig.

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Le Grognard — GMT

If you MEQ too much, you'll go blind.

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blinky — GMT

A MEQ a day keeps the GW thought police away.

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Frazzled — GMT

[quote=Green Blow Fly]Good friends teach friends how to play MEQ.

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Incorrect. Good friends teach friends how to make MEQ players cry like puny girly men

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AlexCage — GMT

You know I've been trying to get my friend interested in 40k for years now. A month or so ago he started to crack.

Got him to go into a GW and check out the armies, which is huge because he used to refuse to even go NEAR GW stores. So when I was done telling him about them all, I asked what he'd play if I could convince him to start an army.

He responded saying he wasn't going to start one, but if he did, he'd play the "Marine guys".

I immediately agreed with all his points about it being too expensive and time consuming and have never brought the subject up again.

Tis better to keep a friend and not play 40k with him, then to make him into a MEQ and start down the long winding road of loathing and bitterness.

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MagickalMemories — GMT

Don't get me wrong... To each his own and all... BUT

I don't get the MEQ hating. It's intense and wide-spread.

I don't see any problems with MEQ's in relation to any other force.
I would almost bet that, for each problem listed about any individual MEQ army, there's a bitch about a non-MEQ army.

Hate the "almost everyone has a 3+ save or better" about SM's?
I hate the "This marker means you have to do the hokey pokey or your armor save fails" of Tau.

Yes. I WAS being sarcastic.
It was just a fun, playful type, though. Not an argumentative sarcasm.

I was serious about not understanding the MEQ hating, though.

Eric

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Noisy_Marine — GMT

I also don't get the MEQ hate. Sure a lot of people play marines. And sure they have 3+ saves and good stats. Yet they still aren't considered to be "top armies" by some players. I believe the top 3 are supposedly Tau, Eldar, and Nids. <---- No marines there!

And c'mon nids = I hate having to fight against 8 MC's.
eldar = holo fields
Tau = all my guns are better than yours.

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frenrik — GMT

[quote=yakface]
[quote=The Power Cosmic][quote=Green Blow Fly]Friends don't let friends play MEQ.[/quote]

Fixed your typo.[/quote]

I think he may have been making fun of my sig.

[/quote]

I thought we were friends Yak, and you let me play Blood Angels.

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tegeus-Cromis — GMT

MEq-hating is not in any way based on power levels. It's been a long time since Marines were anywhere near the best army--what, 3rd ed. Rhino rush? It's just that overuse makes them boring.

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Hordini — GMT

[quote=tegeus-Cromis]It's just that overuse makes [MEQ] boring.[/quote]

Quoted for truth.

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Kilkrazy — GMT

CSMs are a top army, judging by UK GT results anyway.

The reasons for MEq hating are three:

1. There are just too many marines armies. If you play pick-up games you have to play marines half the time.

2. This plus the other MEqs and the effect of the 40K armour save system, means that all armies have to carry as much AP3+ firepower as possible. This is the real reason for min-maxing las/plas squads. It hurts vehicles and rarer troops types lile Tau Suits who are meant to be a bit special but end up being more vulnerable.

3. GW publishes too much marines stuff generally, in terms of figures and books, which is bad news if you are not a marines fan.

To call it hating is a bot strong, though a lot of players think the metagame and hobby would benefit if there were a lot fewer marines around than now.

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Green Blow Fly — GMT

[quote=The Power Cosmic][quote=Green Blow Fly]Good friends teach friends how to win with MEQ.[/quote][/quote]

Fixed your typo.

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blinky — GMT

On the subject of MEQ hating, I agree that it is mainly because they are played so often, in a similar vein that people wearing the default armour (and also hayubasa) in Halo 3 get paid out, because they are going with the flow. If they were to try something new, then they would be accepted.

However, now that the 5th Ed codex is out, everyone will be collecting orks, which was to be my next army :(

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Green Blow Fly — GMT

To hate something because it is common is silly. Do I hate birds? Do I hate bees? Do I hate the birds and the bees? No, no and no.

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Kilkrazy — GMT

[quote=Green Blow Fly]To hate something because it is common is silly. Do I hate birds? Do I hate bees? Do I hate the birds and the bees? No, no and no.

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They are not hated.

They are disliked not because they are common but because too many people choose to play them, spoiling the flavour of the metagame.

What would birdlife be like if everywhere there were green parakeets and no sparrows, robins and so on?

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avantgarde — GMT

Less delicious.

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Green Blow Fly — GMT

Just spice them up before you eat them.

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stonefox — GMT

Marines should be called MEQsicans. Their dreadnoughts BattleMEQs.

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Rbb — GMT

TFG usually plays marines. And I hated Micheal Jordan and the Chicago Bulls because everybody else loved them. I play csm, and the 2 guys that I used to play with most played necrons and marines. That got boring fast. That's why I'm starting eldar. Everyone having different styles of armies makes things more interesting.

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Green Blow Fly — GMT

A lot of people play eldar. Let's do a quick count of eldar units with a 3+ armor save:

Dark Reapers
Guardians on jetbikes
Shining Spears
Warp Spiders
Avatar
etc.

Last year there were more eldar armies at the Necro than Space Marines combined.

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MinMax — GMT

Eldar are not MEQs, because the majority of their army doesn't have a 3+ Save. Unless you count the whole unit Wraithguard, they don't even have a Troops choice with a 3+ Save. And they certainly aren't Toughness 4.

Whereas almost everything Marines, Chaos, and Necrons field is T 4, Sv 3+. There is a significant difference.

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Grignard — GMT

Looking at it that way, Eldar do seem to have a lot of 3+, but none of the are T4. The thing is that Eldar do not have a 3+ troop ( Not counting ten man wraithguard squads ).

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ghostmaker — GMT

why is this topic still going on my question was answered lol. I love ya guys and your sanagains.

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Green Blow Fly — GMT

[quote=MinMax]Eldar are not MEQs, because the majority of their army doesn't have a 3+ Save.[/quote]

No true at all!

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lambadomy — GMT

If MEQ is defined as 3+ save, 4 toughness, then eldar is not MEQ

if MEQ is defined just as mostly 3+ save, then there are eldar armies that are pretty much MEQ - but they aren't that common. All-bike armies maybe. Otherwise Harlequins, Dire Avengers, regular guardians and the non-3+ elites are too common, typically making up at least half the model count of an eldar army. That isn't MEQ.

Anyway, I think there is a perception that marines attract certian types of players...young players (who are sometimes considered annoying) and then people who think warhammer 40k is just marines, and people who play non marine armies are weirdos or are almost playing a different game. I don't encounter these people that often, but they're out there for sure. There's just this weird attitude you get from them...I can't really describe it. It's kind of like the stereotypes you get about "ignorant americans" from other countries. Far from universally true, but there's enough examples of it and it's annoying enough that it sticks. Imagine a room full of people who talked like GBF or Beef, but were 100% serious and smelled like cheese.

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Noisy_Marine — GMT

Sooo ... is sisters of battle an MEQ army or not?

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Green Blow Fly — GMT

SoB are definitely MEQ.

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Grand Preceptor — GMT

[quote=MinMax]Unless you count the whole unit Wraithguard, they don't even have a Troops choice with a 3+ Save. And they certainly aren't Toughness 4.
[/quote]I agree that Eldar are not MEq, but I have to point out that my Eldar army's Troops are all T4, 3+ Sv... jetbikes, man, jetbikes.

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Green Blow Fly — GMT

By the literal definition MEQ means Marine Equivalent - so any Marine army cannot qualify as a MEQ army. The one true MEQ army are Necrons as they have the same stats as Marines:

Sv 3+; WS4; BS4; S4; T4

For the record I have nothing against non-MEQ armies as the game would be very boring without them.

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Le Grognard — GMT

[quote=ghostmaker]why is this topic still going on my question was answered lol. I love ya guys and your sanagains.[/quote]

I call shenanigans for the murder of the word 'shenanigans'!

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Kilkrazy — GMT

I don't even know what the phrase "I call shenanigans" means. Can someone explain?

MEq stands for "Marines and their Equivalents" according to the handy Dakka hover over explainatron.

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Green Blow Fly — GMT

Check it on Wiki.

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TommyStriker — GMT

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Kilkrazy — GMT

[quote=Green Blow Fly]Check it on Wiki.

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It's not on Wiki.

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syr8766 — GMT

SOBs aren't quite MEq, but have MEq-like qualities. BS/WS 4, boltguns, 3+ saves, high LD, but also T3, mostly short-ranged firepower. In some ways they're better than marines (AOF, cheaper per point mounted than marines--at least until recently, etc.) and in some ways not. So the point is quite mooted and debatable.

Eldar are NOT MEqs. I think the confusion has to do with usage. MEq became used in a time when most tournament armies were power armored--Marines, CSM, and Necrons. Therefore, when you prepared for a tournament, you prepared to handle MEqs primarily. Since then, MEq has been used as a catchall term meaning any tournament-level army, but that's syllogistic. There is probably a greater variety of tournament-level play options than in a long time: MEq is no longer required. Whether we go back to 2nd ed. when Marines weren't even all that good shall be seen.

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Tacobake — GMT

I don't really consider SoB to be MEQ, in addition to S3 T3, they are only I3. They are a horde army in power armour.

but maybe I am just pulling teeth. Saint Celestine is a first rate MEQ close combat character.

But "Space Marines and Equivalents," are SM, CSM and Necrons. It is a term from when the Necron book came out and everything was WS4 BS4 S4 T4 I4 3+ w/ good ld, as has been mentioned.

T4 and 3+ stands up to Heavy Bolters and small arms fire pretty good.

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ghostmaker — GMT

hahaha i love you guys .....yall can end this converstion when ever you want to I got the idea thanks.

I do indeed desrive shenanigans being called on me for mispelling.

But this all is turly just some shenanigans

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Green Blow Fly — GMT

You know some people that play CSM seem to think they are not MEQ for whatever reason. I have always found that quite funny.

Anyways here is an online definition at another forum that states what I said (Marine equivalent):

http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/40k-rules-help/30283-40k-abbreviations-3.html

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ghostmaker — GMT

K I already found out the answer like a day or two ago lol thanks again guys.

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Kilkrazy — GMT

You have much to learn about Dakka, young Ghostmaker.

This thread could be good for another dozen posts.

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Tacobake — GMT

I think for Sisters if you had a faith point heavy army, especially one involving one or two choppy HQ, and Seraphim, you could call that a MEQ army. Meaning if you were up against an army that went heavy on AP3 templates etc it would have a hard time.

But if you had just one or two faith points, with a couple of Inquisitors, assassins and lots of 4+ stuff you couldn't really call that MEQ.