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Were these around in Rogue trader or 2nd edition?

HFN]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306022.page GMT
I can't wait to see its rules, and I pray the gun is plastic.

BYE]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306045.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306045.page GMT
Really though, do marines really need their own version? Mekboyz have shock attack guns, techmarines have Thudd gun/Thunderfire cannon.

Seems like marine players just want to have their own version of every single model in the game. I play marines, but I don't think they need as much stuff as they tend to get.

~TS]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306055.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306055.page GMT IIRC, squats were the first ones with it, then it went to other Imperial armies (game-wise).

The Shokk Attack Gun came about in 2nd edition.

The model looks pretty cool and it looks to be, in part, plastic. Part of it looks to be taken from a tank kit. I'm also hoping for a plastic kit and some fun rules. Can't wait for October.

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I just think it is cool they made a new techmarine/ have not forgotten about them completely.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306273.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306273.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306303.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306303.page GMT
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[img]http://i21.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/f0/fd/1583_2.JPG[/img]
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What in the Emperor's name are you talking about? Shokk Attack Guns and Thudd Guns have been around since the RT days. This is nothing new.

If you're going to complain about something, like I usually do, at least try to make it a valid criticism.

BYE]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306650.page GMT
[img]http://zachary.org/games/gw/impweap1.jpg[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306745.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306745.page GMT SM armies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306753.page GMT
Master of the Forge, conversion beamers, thunderfire - its all good!

I just wished they'ed reintroduced the rapier rather than creating this thing, the model looked a lot cooler IMO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/306758.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308782.page GMT

Can we bring the mole mortar back as well? And, you know, Squats? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308785.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308785.page GMT uk/quadl.htm]See for yourself[/url].

This Thunderfire cannon thing is completely different. While I have no idea what the rules might be like, I suspect that it's being included because the studio wished more people would field techmarines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308787.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308787.page GMT
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j/k Aduro ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308817.page GMT RT days. This is nothing new.

If you're going to complain about something, like I usually do, at least try to make it a valid criticism.

BYE[/quote]

I never said it was new, I said that's why they (may) have included it in the most recent codex.

Also, I'm not complaining, I'm criticizing. I can't wait to get my hands on one. It simply seems like SMs can't go a codex without having their own version of every type of troop in the game. And anything they can't supply themselves they simply pull from an inquisition book.

Finally, it is valid. Who says SMs need such a weapon? Just because it [i]did[/i] exist doesn't mean it [i]should[/i] exist.

Anyway, that's enough a that. Can't wait to start fielding my techmarine again

~TS]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308838.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308838.page GMT
never underestimate how bitter a veteran of any multiplayer game (electric or not) can be ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308852.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308857.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308927.page GMT
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308957.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308957.page GMT FW have their own version. This is more techie however, and the FW version is actually a mortar launcher...

I for one love the new Techmarine, and I hope that the rules are up to scratch.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308971.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/308971.page GMT RT days. This is nothing new.

If you're going to complain about something, like I usually do, at least try to make it a valid criticism.

BYE[/quote]

I never said it was new, I said that's why they (may) have included it in the most recent codex.

Also, I'm not complaining, I'm criticizing. I can't wait to get my hands on one. It simply seems like SMs can't go a codex without having their own version of every type of troop in the game. And anything they can't supply themselves they simply pull from an inquisition book.

Finally, it is valid. Who says SMs need such a weapon? Just because it [i]did[/i] exist doesn't mean it [i]should[/i] exist.

Anyway, that's enough a that. Can't wait to start fielding my techmarine again

~TS[/quote]

Yes, the argument that it was available before doesn't hold. By that logic I want my IG landspeeders and landraider back.

Having said that I like the mini ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/309007.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/309007.page GMT
I didn't. I just disagreed with him on pretty much every point.

[quote=twigg]never underestimate how bitter a veteran of any multiplayer game (electric or not) can be [/quote]

I think table top veterans tend to be more bitter, but yeah.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/309039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/309039.page GMT Also, I'm not complaining, I'm criticizing. I can't wait to get my hands on one. It simply seems like SMs can't go a codex without having their own version of every type of troop in the game. And anything they can't supply themselves they simply pull from an inquisition book.

~TS[/quote]

I think the confusion about your comment is happening because a thudd gun and a shok attack gun are nothing alike. A thudd gun was like a 4 barrel repeating mortar, and a SAG is a thing that teleports snotlings, or gretchin (?) into things for hilarious results. Some people reference the mole mortar when talking about this new marine thingy. That fired subterranean rounds to collapse the ground beneath a target, or to attack underground vehicles. I am not sure why these things make you think of the SAG.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/309049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/309049.page GMT
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Yeah, the termite was cool. I found an old White Dwarf that have an ad for the termite models (above ground, and surfacing) as well as the giant termite thing who's name escapes me at the moment. I have been thinking about making something like this for Apocalypse. Essentially a drop pod with slightly different rules... perhaps it pins units that it emerges under. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/309051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/309051.page GMT
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2123epicimptanks-h.htm

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/309064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/309064.page GMT
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c2123epicimptanks-h.htm

- Salvage[/quote]

Ahhh... right you are!! Cool. Now I want to make a Mole model. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/309134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/309134.page GMT
Slap the dude on a bike and hook him up with a MM attack Bike squad. Increases the accuracy of the MM's and adds close combat power to your unit.

Toasty!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/310557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/310557.page GMT IG infantry.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/310955.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/310955.page GMT Also, I'm not complaining, I'm criticizing. I can't wait to get my hands on one. It simply seems like SMs can't go a codex without having their own version of every type of troop in the game. And anything they can't supply themselves they simply pull from an inquisition book.

~TS[/quote]

I think the confusion about your comment is happening because a thudd gun and a shok attack gun are nothing alike. A thudd gun was like a 4 barrel repeating mortar, and a SAG is a thing that teleports snotlings, or gretchin (?) into things for hilarious results. Some people reference the mole mortar when talking about this new marine thingy. That fired subterranean rounds to collapse the ground beneath a target, or to attack underground vehicles. I am not sure why these things make you think of the SAG.[/quote]

The similarities are far more superficial.

They are both carried/dragged by tech specialists.
Both big heavy guns larger than most hvy weapons
Showing up around the same time.
etc.

Also, I think people can't get over this Thud gun thing. From what I've seen, the thunderfire is loosely based on the thud gun but is a different weapon in the end.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311160.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311160.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311172.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311172.page GMT I knew that new gun looked familer. As for the mole morter, the raiper, and the thudd gun, are they still viable guns in the new game, or are they going to be psudo forgeworld limbo status, yet again?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311194.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311194.page GMT apoc book and that says to counts as a drop pod]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311195.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311195.page GMT MEQ armies with as many thudd guns as legally possible.

G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311201.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311201.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311214.page GMT apoc book and that says to counts as a drop pod[/quote]
None of the old tunnelers could hold tanks, just infantry (though in the world of the far future where there is only war, anything is possible). A termite held a squad, a mole a platoon, and a hellbore a company. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311259.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311259.page GMT

Can we bring the mole mortar back as well? And, you know, Squats? [/quote]

When I was at the new GW HQ in London last week I got a sneak peek at the new Squats. Apparently they're secretly spreading false info about new Dark Eldar stuff so people don't figure out they've really been working on bringing back the Squats all this time. The idea was that people will be so excited to see the new squats they will forget all about DE, so that army can slowly fade away.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311309.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311309.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311317.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311317.page GMT
Thunderfire cannon. It was an epic squat weapon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311347.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311347.page GMT
Or are we getting the Thunderfire Cannon 'instead', and someone thought they heard "Conversion Beamer"?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311389.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311389.page GMT
What's the date on that catalog?

HFN]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311403.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311403.page GMT
Or are we getting the Thunderfire Cannon 'instead', and someone thought they heard "Conversion Beamer"?[/quote]

Nope, but that's what I recall from the early rumors.

I am hoping we get *both*.

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What's the date on that catalog?

HFN[/quote]
1994. The Squat Thunderfire was a big antiaircraft weapon. As you can see, it's much bigger than a Leman Russ. No real relation to the new thunderfire, from what I can see. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311802.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/311802.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/312171.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/312171.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/312370.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/312370.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/359165.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/212715/359165.page GMT