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So, I was down at my LGS (Its not an FLGS anymore - its been downgraded since a new manager took over who's utterly useless - and its a GW store!) last night for a 5th ed preview evening.

Everyone had been asked to bring combat patrol forces and I (foolishly) believed it would be a fun night of looking through the new rules and trying stuff out. So me and a mate took down a CP each with loads of different stuff (he had SM bikes and scout snipers, I took a tank, blast weapons etc).

So - first up. The staff weren't running the event (I'm not sure this was even legal as there were kids there, so the guy who was 'in charge' would need a criminal records check under current UK law).

Second. The guy running the event didn't know the new rules. I ended up arguing with him all night (I was right every time btw, thanks largely to the good people at dakkadakka.com for all the leaked info ).

Third (this is where the cheese comes in). This guy plays my mate. He puts down a tau force, some of which aren't even undercoated (not the impression you want to give). He's done the tricky battlesuit thing of taking 3 squads of 2 XV8's, all identical except 1 of each squad has a blacksun filter (so you have to allocate wounds differently).

Lets ignore the fact that he didn't know the rules, embarrassed himself by putting out grey plastic, cheated constantly (having two squads close enough together that he thought he could swap wound markers between them without people noticing, whinged about people moving to the millimetre then moved his own models front to back, had a true LOS that involved light bending round corners etc.).
Lets even ignore the fact that he put out what was effectively a power-build in a training game (and even then would have lost if my mate had moved his bikes differently).

But come on. 3 hardwired blacksun filters, just to try and avoid losing models in Combat Patrol? I smell seriously strong cheddar.

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Oh, and that guy's a bellend. Simple as.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315513.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315513.page GMT
Doesn't sound like that tool is following the 3F's for running events. Pity. Report the sod to the regional manager.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315517.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315517.page GMT GW Meadowhell.

When I got back into the hobby a few years ago it was the best store in Yorkshire.

Now its gotten so bad I'm seriously considering sending a letter of complaint to the area manager.

EDIT: Beat me to it there Grognard - I'm having serious lag issues this morning!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315519.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315519.page GMT
Doesn't sound like that tool is following the 3F's for running events. Pity. Report the sod to the regional manager.[/quote]

A Bellend is... well that bell like bit at the end of your... Earthshaker Cannon.
And yes that guy sounds like a complete and total one.
I despise people who move their models wrong to cheat. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315541.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315541.page GMT
Swearch here in the Profanisaurus section.

http://www.viz.co.uk/?%2Fprofanisaurus%2Fprofan_index.php%3Ffb%3D1]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315597.page GMT
Anyways, unlucky with the event and it always sucks to play soemone like that, especially if they're meant to be the ones organising the event, and to not even know the rules, shame on him. he gives a bad name to gamers everywhere]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315601.page GMT GW store and those cheats at the night. those people who run the GW store should be banded with a track record like that. over throw thema nd run it yourself]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315603.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315603.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315607.page GMT
Doesn't sound like that tool is following the 3F's for running events. Pity. Report the sod to the regional manager.[/quote]

A Bellend is... well that bell like bit at the end of your... Earthshaker Cannon.
And yes that guy sounds like a complete and total one.
I despise people who move their models wrong to cheat. [/quote]

40K: Bringing people together in the spirit of cultural understanding!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315629.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315629.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315768.page GMT
Doesn't sound like that tool is following the 3F's for running events. Pity. Report the sod to the regional manager.[/quote]

A Bellend is... well that bell like bit at the end of your... Earthshaker Cannon.
And yes that guy sounds like a complete and total one.
I despise people who move their models wrong to cheat. [/quote]

40K: Bringing people together in the spirit of cultural understanding![/quote]

I like to learn at least one new thing a day. I used the word 'sod' correctly, didn't I? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315784.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315784.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315793.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315793.page GMT
I will do my best, sir. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315826.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315826.page GMT
AKA Mr. Richard Head.

Capt K]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315831.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315831.page GMT
Capt K[/quote]

Thanks Capt K, I was going to say it, but you saved me the trouble.

While I agree that the guy was clearly a wanker. I'm not really sure how cheesy it is to intentionally make one model different from the rest just to some how take advantage of the armor save group issue.

Wounds are still allocated the same, it's only that the saves are rolled in batches. Or am I misunderstanding the exploit?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315851.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315851.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315915.page GMT
Hmm i Don't think that is very cheesy... just make sure you nail him with lots of shots and he will fail saves like mad. It only really becomes cheesey if he takes the 9 man squad of suits]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315933.page GMT
I dunno. As a Tau player, I can see lots of legitimate reasons to equip two suits in a unit differently. It's practically mandatory if you want to use drones, for example. If it affects the way wounds are allocate under 5th, that's the first example of GW having ballsed up the rules.

I'm not going to make any imputations for or against this particular player. I'm just saying you can't assume it was simple cheese.
.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/315969.page GMT Done and done. There's a cheeky little fellow that hangs out at the Pub I go to. Tonight he was talking bad about american baseball again. I said something to the fact that he stop being a bellend and let us watch the game. I think beer spewed out his nose as he started to laugh/cough spastically; then he bought me a pint for giving him a good laugh in the Kings English. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316113.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316113.page GMT
I hope that the joy of 'bellend' is spreading to you stateside, it's such a good insult, cheeky and fun. What more could you want?

Interesting fact: In Peckham (an area of London next to the one I live in) there's a street called Bellenden Avenue. I have never laughed so hard as when I saw the street sign.

I apologise for the complete and utter de-railing of this thread. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316147.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316266.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316274.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316274.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316420.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316589.page GMT
What is it with GW?

2001 Tau launched
2004 Shield drones broken by 4th ed
2006 Shield drones fixed by new codex
2008 Shield drones broken by 5th ed

This is conclusive proof that GW have created a system which they are not capable of maintaining in a working order.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316665.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316665.page GMT 40k, but you dont have to in order to know what kind of jerk plays games like that.

I wonder if he thought a bunch of 11 year olds would show up and he could bully them around and feel like a big man...


I hate that crap...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316667.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316667.page GMT
What is it with GW?

2001 Tau launched
2004 Shield drones broken by 4th ed
2006 Shield drones [b]not[/b] fixed by new codex
2008 Shield drones broken by 5th ed

This is conclusive proof that GW have created a system which they are not capable of maintaining in a working order.[/quote]
Fixed your typo.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316708.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316708.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316711.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316711.page GMT
Sure. Unless you don't equip anything on the crisis suits, which makes them illegal, they're carrying equipment not on the shield drones. Therefore, separate wounds against separate models. Worse is when a group of bolters rapid fire into suits, kill them, and the drones survive. Drones auto-destruct right afterwards. Fun times.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316797.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316797.page GMT
Thank God we still have Vespids and Sniper Drones!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316815.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316815.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316821.page GMT
Thank God we still have Vespids and Sniper Drones![/quote]

And we can use our oodles of Kroot to screen them all!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/316992.page GMT
Thank God we still have Vespids and Sniper Drones![/quote]

I could be wrong here, as I don't play Tau,..but do hear me out.

The Tau vehicles got *way better* in 5th edition for the following reasons.

Disruption pod: You get the 4+ "armor" save as long as you move 6"

Upgrade that lets them count as "fast skimmers" who's name I can't recall: Lets you move 6" and fire all weapons on-board, regardless of strength.

Not to mention you can use your pathfinder's devilfish to transport a squad of firewarriors out and get them where they need to be.

Seems to me that Tau, despite the fact that shield drones aren't much good, are coming out pretty okay in my mind.

Just my thoughts on that.

Take it easy,

-Red__Thirst-


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It's just that shield drones are supposed to be a defining characteristic of Tau, also Broadsides are practically worthless without them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/317290.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/317290.page GMT GWs ability to understand cause and effect, I would say something along the lines of; "But surely GW will release a FAQ that makes Drones mimic the equipment and stats of the assigned unit for the purpose of saving.".

Here's to blind hope. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/317295.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/317295.page GMT No, it wasn't. Mixed armour rule only applies to armour saves, not invulnerable saves. So unless you take Shield Generators on Suits, Shield Drones still don't work.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/317304.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/317304.page GMT
No doubt this could be disputed, though as it's a 4th edition Tau Codex rulen it's irrelevant to the 5th edition rule changes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/317350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213387/317350.page GMT