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'Tu'shan. Weighs in near 300 points, has a Master Crafted Thunderhammer that hits on initiative o_O, a Twin Linked Heavy Flamer, and as mentioned above (somewhere! lol!) his chapter tactics seem to be to make THs in your army MC (and maybe Flamers Twin Linked but not sure on that). He has a 2+ Armour Save and a 3+ Invulnerable save. And he's also immune to ID.'

Couple this with earlier rumours stating he was T 5...seems like a beatstick.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318269.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318269.page GMT
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Insane on the twin-linked heavy flamer, but a 2/3+ save?? Holy hell that's ridiculous.

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318281.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318281.page GMT IC in the line, it could be nice to see all rumored 11 IC's .
There 's also stated at B&C that not every smurf is a IC! Maybe 1 IC per primogenitor -legion plus some fluff IC's?

TH for sallies (without PF restriction)
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Insane on the twin-linked heavy flamer, but a 2/3+ save?? Holy hell that's ridiculous.

- Salvage[/quote]

Well consider this. You can have two special chars from different legions in the same army. So....

Lysander grants twin-linked to all bolters/heavy bolters in the army
Tu'Shan grants twin-linked to all melta/flamers in the army

You'll be able to re-roll misses on practically everything in your army. Toss in a group of Terms with master-crafted Thunder Hammers. Wheee]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318297.page GMT MC TH...FTW! Could make a grown man cry...smurfs might not suck the minute the inks dry.

Could they be...can I say it...it's heresy...they might be...a challenge!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318300.page GMT
I really like Tushan's apparent style. Smash'm with a hammer then set'm on fire. Or better yet, the reverse. Set'm on fire, then pound them down as they're running around. I think sallies will be very popular. Nice to see they're getting some attention from the design studio. Redeemer and seige dread with inferno cannon (rumored anyhow) = very fluffy for Sallies. have fun.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318302.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318302.page GMT MC TH...FTW! Could make a grown man cry...smurfs might not suck the minute the inks dry.

Could they be...can I say it...it's heresy...they might be...a challenge![/quote]

yeah. maybe now SM will be over-powered relative to chaos SM. hehe. Doubt it, though, as apparently they've been doing more codex testing these days. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318303.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318303.page GMT GW land.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318321.page GMT CC)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318341.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318341.page GMT Also, not looking forward to all the hate I will get when fielding Tu'Shan, nor all the wanna-bees using him in their non-Salamander DIY armies.

Granted that is minor, I'm really just stoked to see all the Salamander love. BL has even tentatively green-lighted a Salamander novel.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318347.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318347.page GMT
What about the oldies like Shrike and Lysander?

BYE]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318363.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318363.page GMT
On a different, but similar subject, it now looks as if the same thing will be happening to my DKOK army. With the whole greatcoat guard plastics rumor, they might be the next fad army...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318382.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318382.page GMT 2+/3+ isn't toooo bad, after all Typhus is 2+/5+/4+ and he's killable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318390.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318390.page GMT init with a TH. I can't think of anything in my codex that can stand up to this monstrosity and face a reasonable chance. But what do you expect, I'm looking at Codex Chaos Marines...

-GWP ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318393.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318393.page GMT Seriously, if people can deal with Typhus they should be able to deal with this fella.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318395.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318395.page GMT Init Thunderhammer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318398.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318398.page GMT Which is pretty damn nasty.
Anyway, the way to kill uber characters like that is to shoot the crap out of them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318400.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318400.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318424.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318424.page GMT
There's no way we'll see real Salamander troops with I3, so the chances of us seeing an I3 Sally Commander are roughly nil.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318435.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318435.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318448.page GMT SM Characters have it.

BYE]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318463.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318463.page GMT
OK...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318468.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318468.page GMT
Tu'Shan should be able to have biblical relations with Nightbringer, if you catch my drift.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318470.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318478.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318478.page GMT Da Boss]Salamanders are hands down the best Space Marines out there in terms of flavour and stuff, so glad to see they're getting something cool.
2+/3+ isn't toooo bad, after all Typhus is 2+/5+/4+ and he's killable.[/quote]

There's a big difference between a 3+ save and a 5+ save. And Typhus doesn't get FNP against power weapons. And he's not immune to ID. And so forth.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318485.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318485.page GMT
He'll be handing out punishment like it's hot bread.
A bit on the uber-side, but I hope he gets a model to match.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318493.page GMT
I'm curious to see the new versions of the Ultra's characters, Marneus specifically.

Also, the existing special characters such as Shrike and Lysander, etc.

The one character I really want to see the rules for is the Crimson Fists' Captain Kantor, as I *love* the miniature & plan on picking one up to paint and add to a small band of crimson fists I have sitting patiently on the back burner. Has anyone seen the rules for him, or know if he has anything special going for him beyond having a cool Grey Knight esque gauntlet mounted stormbolter and a powerfist?

Thanks in advance for any updates and/or info!

-Red__Thirst-]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318505.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318505.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318506.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318506.page GMT
Considering the Salamanders have been known to do the whole terminator thing pretty well (at least in past fluff) It wouldn't surprise me if he was arrayed in a Tactical Dreadnought suit with an *uber* thunderhammer, and an ancient, powerful heavy flamer.

Buck to a bent dime, he's in a Terminator suit.

-RT-]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318513.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318513.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318524.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318524.page GMT WS:6

He has a rule that gives part (or all?) of the army flank march, rather than the combat tactics special rule. Meaning you can sweep in from the short board edges.

Has a special bike he rides, gives himself, and the squad he's with/attached to furious charge, and the fleet USR, meaning they can move, 'run' and charge. Counts as a bike, etc.

He also has a pretty badass powersword, that works like a force weapon without the psychic test. You roll to hit as normal, then roll to wound. If you roll a 6 on the to-wound roll, and the target fails it's invulnerable save (if it has one), that models is removed regardless of how many wounds it has, as-per a force weapon I do believe. I imagine a character or unit that's immune to instant death would be immune to this as well, but time will tell I'm sure.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

Take care,

-RT-]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318529.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318529.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318740.page GMT GW land.[/quote]
That was accompanied by gratuitous vomiting, right Noisy? Cause it was on my end [img]http://people.virginia.edu/~hdg9r/vomication.gif[/img]

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318741.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318741.page GMT WS:6

He has a rule that gives part (or all?) of the army flank march, rather than the combat tactics special rule. Meaning you can sweep in from the short board edges.

Has a special bike he rides, gives himself, and the squad he's with/attached to furious charge, and the fleet USR, meaning they can move, 'run' and charge. Counts as a bike, etc.

He also has a pretty badass powersword, that works like a force weapon without the psychic test. You roll to hit as normal, then roll to wound. If you roll a 6 on the to-wound roll, and the target fails it's invulnerable save (if it has one), that models is removed regardless of how many wounds it has, as-per a force weapon I do believe. I imagine a character or unit that's immune to instant death would be immune to this as well, but time will tell I'm sure.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

Take care,

-RT-[/quote]

Khan actually only grants himself fleet, he grants squads he joins Hit & Run, and Furious Charge. He's WS 6, and his Power Weapon just causes Instant Death if you roll a 6 to wound.

And yes, he gives the whole army Flank March.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318794.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318794.page GMT ID that can take Tu'shan

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SKARBRAND!!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318813.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318813.page GMT GW just want to give SM a really good character because they can?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318822.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318822.page GMT GW just want to give SM a really good character because they can?[/quote]
[b]AGREE[/b]

Can he at least be instant deathed? I like to think 'Eternal Warrior' is reserved for only the most other-wordly or truly impressive beings out there, which, as Kharne apparently does not fall into this category, I would not class any loyalist space marine character as such either. Possibly a dreadnought though

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318833.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318833.page GMT
[quote=AgeOfEgos][B]And he's also immune to ID.[/B][/quote]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318837.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318837.page GMT
(Thanks for that, and what a ridiculous application of EW)

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318856.page GMT ID]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318857.page GMT ID that can take Tu'shan

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SKARBRAND!!!![/quote]
Actually, running the numbers I get Skarry doing 40/27 (1.48) wounds to Tushy in one round while Tushy does 25/16 (1.56) wounds to Skarry. Assumes they're both standing still, assumes 5-5-(8)-4-3-5-5-10-2/3+ for Tushy's stats and incorporates Skarry's rerolls for both parties. If Big T has 4 attaks it drops to 5/4 (1.25) wounds a round. So not a cut and dried thing, Skarry has WS & A on Tushy but that's it (after the first round of I6 from furious charge, should Skarry get it off).


[quote=mattyboy22]WEll, he proabably comes with an Adamantium Mantle, that's why he's immune to ID[/quote]
That occured to me, but I assumed it was the same as now - first instant death = 1 wound instead (right?). I could see GW changing the mantle entirely though

- Salvage

EDIT -- And I suppose Skarbrand's 4 wounds beat Tushy's 3 ... if he doesn't have 4!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318865.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318867.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318867.page GMT MEq and behind most strong assaulters. I think I4 is likely and would balance him a bit more but even I5 puts him behind most of the main badass. Also, WS5, maybe WS6, means most of the strong chaos guys are better then him in that regard (Abbadon, Princes, GDs, Kharne) or atleast tie him (Chaos Lord, other special characters). Which is where an older character should be better then him.

By my calcs, Abbadon still has an edge on Tu'Shan in a fight on average wounds, making the battle pretty even when figuring in t-hammer effect, even if Tu'Shan has 4 attacks (which is possible, as is 3, but certainly not 5) or 4 wounds (again, 3 or 4 is possible).

What Tu'Shan will excell at though is beating the big MCs and other high T stuff. Which makes sense -- Salamander veterans are known for taking down Firedrakes by themselves.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure they should have made Tu'Shan quite this strong, even though the background does hint at him being strong and tough for a space marine. But hey, I won't complain too much

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318894.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318894.page GMT Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure they should have made Tu'Shan quite this strong, even though the background does hint at him being strong and tough for a space marine. But hey, I won't complain too much

[/quote]

*Shrug*, I'm somewhat skeptical about a Init striking TH. The 3+ Inv makes some sense if they want him to be above the normal Captain (Which appears will come with 4+ inv standard now).

However, even if all of these stats prove to be true...I don't consider it a big deal. He's still a 3 wound 300 pt model that needs to get into HTH. With the new consolidation rules (Or lack thereof), big nasties that will wipe out squads at a time don't scare me. I'm more concerned about IG fielding 3 LR tanks as one heavy to be honest...

6 LR in cover with a heavy to spare. This would make old school IW flinch.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318904.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318904.page GMT 6 5 4 4 3 5 3 10 3+

As long as a normal marine captain doesn't have WS6 like my chaos lords I'll promise to keep my cool again. Honestly it's more my pride as a chaos player () injured than worry about taking Tushy down in the game. What gives me more cause for concern is the rerolled flamers / melta madness. WTF.

And agreed on the Russ spam. WTF x9.

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318908.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318908.page GMT WTF.[/quote]
Could be nasty, yes But remember the rumor is no more cleanse and purify, even for the salamanders. That limits the affect this will have over what we are used too.

Still will be a very powerful ability. I can see why they had Tu'Shan replace the fall back ability with stubborn. It is both fluffy and keeps people from dropping out of an assault to rain down reroll wound flamery death.
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Tu'Shan: Yo man, I hear your the guy to talk to about big expensive CC units.

NB: Yeah, that's me. Who are you?

Tu'Shan: I'm the new hotness, just like Abaddon last year, but less spiky. I'm a loyalist, old school fluff, Salamanders.

NB:Huh...yeah? I remember them. Hmm, been a year or so, bout time for a new smurf dex. A-ight, what you got?

Tu'Shan: Well, first off, I'm not just some crunchy Space Marine, my toughness is 5.

NB: Sure.

Tu'Shan, and also, I'm immune to instant death. Totally immune, like, it just doesn't even happen to me.

NB: Aw mann, I was totally thinking I'd just chump you with my S10

Tu'Shan: Think again, you're...oh, s10, huh. I guess t5 isn't a big deal for you.

NB: No man, it's really cool. Lots of special characters don't even get that going on. I totally appreciate the effort. I think Typhus did that, and Big D and I still talk about him.

Tu'Shan: Alright, well, I'm in terminator armor, got my 2+ going on. You probably get that a lot, right?

NB: Yeah, I'm an MC though. You know, sort of a requirement for 300+ point crowd that we ignore armor saves.

Tu'Shan: Sure, Sure, I expected that. But I'm backing mine up with a 3+ invulnerable save. I mean, previously only your boys the Wraiths and that Kairos twit had that going on.

NB: Hmm...yeah, bout that...

Tu'Shan: Oh, dude, no worries, I'm not copying, my fluff is totally different than theirs.

NB: What I mean, is...well, I ignore invulnerable saves.

Tu'Shan: Huh? Really? Like some sort of psycannon?

NB: Yeah, lots of people get heated about that.

Tu'Shan: Yeah, I can see why...jeez, so...I don't get any saves?

NB: Sorry...So, six swings, hit 3 times, wound 3 times, figure I got you in one round.

Tu'Shan: Two! You'll probably roll a one to wound, or I'll get th charge and you won't have-

NB:Two then.

Tu'Shan: How old did you say your codex was?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318921.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318921.page GMT LOL. Wish I could sig that, very nice 40ke.

I would point out that his 300 point price tag I am sure is as much to do with his force enhancing ability as his combat ability. We will still have to see what he does to the force though (there's been comments on b&C that the rumored rerolls to t-hammers and flame/melta is not quite that good).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318933.page GMT
Lots of good words[/quote]But Tu'Shan is in [b]green[/b] armor. And he is wearing a dragons [u]skin[/u], beeyatch. That pwnz.


As for the fluff regarding 10,000 year old CSM vs. loyalist SM:

What do you think the CSM's do in the warp? Tactical training? Strategic analysis?

No. They eat babies, drink goat blood, and fornicate with trees and crap. Hardly improves their skills.


Look, don't hate Tu'Shan. It's only right.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318940.page GMT CSM's do in the warp? Tactical training? Strategic analysis?

No. They eat babies, drink goat blood, and fornicate with trees and crap. Hardly improves their skills.
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Yeah, but have you [i]seen[/i] the babies, goats and trees they've got in there?!

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318958.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318958.page GMT
[img]http://thehumanpacifier.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/monster-baby-in-ny-2.jpg[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318964.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318964.page GMT
[img]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-64608620957019_2003_136264[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/318969.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319049.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319049.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319094.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319094.page GMT As for the fluff regarding 10,000 year old CSM vs. loyalist SM:

What do you think the CSM's do in the warp? Tactical training? Strategic analysis?

No. They eat babies, drink goat blood, and fornicate with trees and crap. Hardly improves their skills.


Look, don't hate Tu'Shan. It's only right.[/quote]

Just like to add that even though 10,000 years have passed outside the warp does not mean its the case to those in the warp. Warp = non-linear space time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319104.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319104.page GMT [/quote]

That's why you slap the trunk first.

/Rimshot]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319105.page GMT HE doesn't get eternal warrior? Come on!

But, since the armories are disappearing, it looks like "Eternal Warrior" will separate useful HQ choices from the rest of the bunch.


And for the record, I think 10,000 years of baby fornicating and tree humping would make chaos marines more awesome. Even if time is non-linear. Hell, that means the chaos marines could jump a goat, then go back into the past, and do it AGAIN! Now that's chaotic.

Lol Boss, I have no idea where you got that vomiting smilie.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319107.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319155.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319155.page GMT
[img]http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-64608620957019_2003_136264[/img][/quote]


The trees probably look like this

[img]http://images.elfwood.com/art/e/k/eklom/evil_tree_full_colour.jpg[/img]

Not that the marines care....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319327.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319327.page GMT CSM T5. After all, can you imagine the callousses and splinters you would get?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319437.page GMT LOL at the mouth-breathers already having little fits for these random rumours.

My random unconfirmed rumours that I read via ju-ju in the toilet after an interesting curry came to this:

I can say that he most likely is in terminator armour

He probably won't have 3+ invulnerable...4+ most likely.

He won't have ini5 as other space marine characters.

He *might* have 4 wounds if he's some kind of abaddon like character in the fluff.

To be honest the other character sounds like something far worse...flank march for the whole army? WTF?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319740.page GMT d6 roll to determine which table edge the unit comes from. There's a 1/3 change to get the edge you want, 1/3 chance to get the opposite, and a 1/3 chance to have to deploy off your own board edge as normal.

It's nowhere near as precise and devastating as the Flank March asset.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319797.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319797.page GMT
Capt K




[quote=Agamemnon2]A thing to remember about the Khan is that outflanking uses a d6 roll to determine which table edge the unit comes from. There's a 1/3 change to get the edge you want, 1/3 chance to get the opposite, and a 1/3 chance to have to deploy off your own board edge as normal.

It's nowhere near as precise and devastating as the Flank March asset.[/quote]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319969.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319984.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319984.page GMT
They had one but the Orks looted it.

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/AgeOfEgos/thebt6.jpg[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319991.page GMT
They'll finally match the fluff!

While we're at it, Armor Save modifiers and TDA saving on 3+ or 2d6 too please!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/319997.page GMT

[quote]While we're at it, Armor Save modifiers and TDA saving on 3+ or 2d6 too please![/quote]
They should skip to the chase and just make the new SM codex based on the movie marines

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/320013.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/320013.page GMT cheaper, better
just dosent make sence]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/1066051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/1066051.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/1066092.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/213610/1066092.page GMT cheaper, better
just dosent make sence[/quote]

This character doesn't actually exist. These were rumours floating around, [B]over a year ago, I might add[/B], about the Space Marines codex. These rumours actually were about Vulkan, just slightly skewed. He has a Relic Blade, Heavy Flamer, 2+ Armour/3+ Invulnerable, and makes all THs MC, as well as making all Meltaguns, Multi-Meltas, Flamers and Heavy Flamers Twin-Linked.

Next time, please read the date. Threadromancy is not a good thing.
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