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My friend posted on his blog [url]http://www.bloodofkittens.com[/url] the contents of the Spear of Sicarius I think he got the info from BoLS anyway here it is.

Command Squad
Vanguard Squad
2x Standard Dreadnoughts
4x Ten-Man Assault Squads
4x Five-Man Terminator Squads (Normal not Assault)
6x Tactical Squads
9x Drop Pods]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/766946.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/766946.page GMT BoLS most likely. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/766951.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/766951.page GMT
My quick math says that MSRP on what they listed is only $1066.75...

Could this be like the board + planetstrike terrain deal and not actually be a deal?
Captain Sicarius 1 16 16
Command Squad 1 35 35
Vanguard Squad 1 41.25 41.25
Dreadnaught 2 41.25 82.5
Assault Squad 8 26.5 212
Terminator 4 50 200
Tactical 6 35 210
Drop Pod 9 30 270
1066.75

Which is one model count short, which will probably be something representing Sicarius as the HQ.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767432.page GMT GW!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767440.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767449.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767449.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767450.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767450.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767457.page GMT But seriously I thought to myself when I saw the force or this would be a totally cool set to have if they deep discount it. But I guess out i'm. I can assemble all that stuff for much, much cheaper. Makes me a little sad. Oh well, back to painting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767469.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767514.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767514.page GMT
*sigh*

Another horrible set that GW hopes to market to the under-15 demographic with their parents disposable incomes.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767637.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767637.page GMT
*sigh*

.[/quote]

Dont even mention it, i still have nightmares thinking about the nid army deal that never got here... First I ordered it at my flags... they delayed things for 1.5 months and only after I insisted they confirmed that GW would not ship it to them ( I still have a hard time swallowing that) then I ordered at a ebay store and my order mysteriously got lost on mail so I had to be refunded... lets just say by the time I ordered at GW online store it was discontinued... So frustating!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767659.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767659.page GMT
My quick math says that MSRP on what they listed is only $1066.75...

Could this be like the board + planetstrike terrain deal and not actually be a deal?
Captain Sicarius 1 16 16
Command Squad 1 35 35
Vanguard Squad 1 41.25 41.25
Dreadnaught 2 41.25 82.5
Assault Squad 8 26.5 212
Terminator 4 50 200
Tactical 6 35 210
Drop Pod 9 30 270
1066.75

Which is one model count short, which will probably be something representing Sicarius as the HQ.[/quote]

prices are more like and the model count is

6x10 tacs=60
4x10 assault = 40
1x10 man vanguard =10
4x5 terms= 20
dreads= 2
drops=9
sicasius=1

totaling 142

Captain Sicarius 1 19.25
Command Squad 1 42
Vanguard Squad 1 42
Dreadnaught 2 49.50 99
Assault Squad 8 31.75 254
Terminator 4 60 240
Tactical 6 40 240
Drop Pod 9 36 324

and its going for i believe 612 GBP so over 900 USD ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767821.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767821.page GMT GW really wanted to sell these they'd retail it for $750 USD.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/767979.page GMT apoc space marine company was $450 us. That came with 6 tac squads 2 assault squads 2 devastator squads a command squad 8 rhinos and a razorback and was a good deal for someone who did that the old fashioned way one box at a time. This is still a deal but a small one. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/768031.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/768031.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/768272.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/768272.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/768403.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/768403.page GMT
no

with the new prices to buy everything in that box will be $1260.25 USD

the price will be from what ive read on the other thread is 613 GBP

so around $990 USD if it sells for around that you save over $250 USD]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/768486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/768486.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/768496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/768496.page GMT [/quote]

thats because im dumb and was looking at the canadian site.... lol

but i still have seen that it will go for around $900 usd]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/768612.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/768612.page GMT apoc space marine company was $450 us. That came with 6 tac squads 2 assault squads 2 devastator squads a command squad 8 rhinos and a razorback and was a good deal for someone who did that the old fashioned way one box at a time. This is still a deal but a small one. [/quote]
OTOH, if you count a $90 SM Battalion as
- 20 SM (swap 5 Scouts for 5 Tacs)
- 5 Assault
- 1 Rhino
Then, thats $360 for 4 Battalions so add:
+1x 5 Command ($25)
+2x Dev sprues ($15 = $30)
+4x Rhinos ($30 = $120)
+1x Razor ($35)
= $205 extras for a grand total of $560, so a $450 price is an extra 20% savings on top of the Battleforces.

The Sicarus "deal" isn't.
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2 other space marine players and myself were looking at 1 and splitting it up for what we need]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/769414.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/769414.page GMT
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/770144.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/770144.page GMT GW hopes to market to the under-15 demographic with their parents disposable incomes.[/quote]

I tend to think that for something over $1000, even uber rich parents are going to draw the line and say "No, Billy, that's just way, way too ridiculously expensive for a box of toy soldiers. Let's just get you the $100 box."
I honestly have no idea who they think is going to spend that much. SM players already have their SM armies. People just starting SMs are going to start with something a little more manageable, not to mention cheaper. And all the non-SM players are just going to be irritated that GW was wasting time on the millionth iteration of a tactical marine instead of updating something for SMs to fight against.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/770280.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/770280.page GMT GW Epic Fail (see? they are so full of FAIL that their fails get a new name!)!!!!!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/770763.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/770763.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/770843.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/770843.page GMT GW actually expect to sell that set?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/770845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/770845.page GMT tac squads for 185 free shipping on ebay Great deal i thought ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/770857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/770857.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/771077.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/771077.page GMT GW, That will be about $250 AU savings from retail but buying it from most web stores separately you could get it for a little less then $1100 AU.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/771134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/771134.page GMT
I hope they don't sell a single one.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/772119.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/772119.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/772200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/772200.page GMT
I hope they don't sell a single one.[/quote]
Likewise.
I'm trying to fathom their goal with such a horrible scheme. The only thing I can come up with is that maybe they're worried that some new players will only buy a few models and lose interest. Maybe they want those people to make a HUGE monetary investment while they're still excited about the game? GW just has the worst habit of treating it's loyal fans as though they have bottomless pockets. Sometime I wonder if they're TRYING to drive off their customers and go out of business...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773184.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773184.page GMT GW's making box deals less of a deal, stupid people buy them without adding because of the colors, the COLORS! LOOK AT THE PRETTY COLORS!!!.

Look at the IG battalion and the recent Planet Strike "deals".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773203.page GMT GW's making box deals less of a deal, stupid people buy them without adding because of the colors, the COLORS! LOOK AT THE PRETTY COLORS!!!.

Look at the IG battalion and the recent Planet Strike "deals".[/quote]

Yep. Some of the box deals make me scratch my head and wonder anyway. Like the eldar battleforce. Why would I ever buy that box?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773212.page GMT
Sadly, people do buy them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773360.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773360.page GMT lol u guize weit a secund i got a gud ida, stap them dark eldurs and mace mure spase marienz lolololololololol $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ "

I play Space Marines and it would have been better if they didn't waste their time with this crap.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773377.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773377.page GMT
I hope they don't sell a single one.[/quote]

quoted for truth.

I am starting to get pretty pissed at GW with all of this marine stuff that they keep throwing at us. FREAKING UPDATE SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!! [/rant]

sorry about that..... getting a little too worked up about this I suppose. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773716.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773716.page GMT
I hope they don't sell a single one.[/quote]

quoted for truth.

I am starting to get pretty pissed at GW with all of this marine stuff that they keep throwing at us. FREAKING UPDATE SOMETHING ELSE!!!!!! [/rant]

sorry about that..... getting a little too worked up about this I suppose. [/quote]

Well, this is just a 'repackaging' of older stuff, not anything 'new', so this shouldn't have kept GW from developing or updating anything new.

What you should be upset at is the fact that this 'deal' isn't a deal at all!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773807.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773807.page GMT No need to apologize. Oddly, this thread is completely unanimous. I keep waiting for the devil's advocates to pipe up in GWs behalf... But nobody has.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773872.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/773872.page GMT gw]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781297.page GMT GW is doing something like this?

Humour me please.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781300.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781359.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781359.page GMT GW forces people into purchase, yet everybody screams their head off hating GW for offering something like this.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781374.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781374.page GMT GW is doing something like this?

Humour me please.[/quote]

The problem is there is no real reason to buy this as a package. There is no deal, no incentive to not just pick it up piecemeal. GW is basically telling us:

"You guys paid big money for other Apocalypse sets, buy this one too!"

The difference was, the other sets were actually DEALS, live the Tyranid Assault Brood I bought. This is nothing more than a bigger box with sprues at no particular discount.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781395.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781395.page GMT GW forces people into purchase, yet everybody screams their head off hating GW for offering something like this.[/quote]

Because the set is 100% redundant.

According to what everyone is saying you don't save any money so why not just buy each component in the set individually from GW's website or one of their stores? I guess you have the benefit of picking up a single box in store instead of dozens. Likewise you only have to click "add to cart" on one product instead of dozens if you purchased it from their webstore.

In the past GW has offered large/multiple unit boxsets that actually "rewarded" the customer by making each individual model contained within cost less than if you bought them all individually. GW still practices this form of sales via things like Battleforces, the CoD Imperial Sector, the Planetstrike Imperial Defense Network, etc. So in effect you "save" money by buying the boxset because they are cheaper than simply buying all the units one at a time. Of course, the amount of cash you had to pay to purchase all these models in bulk was larger than an average unit purchase, but thats how buying in bulk works. You pay more upfront, to get a cheaper price on a larger volume of product.

And of course, no doubt there are people in this thread hating GW for this boxset simply because thats what they do - troll and hate GW regardless.

If this box doesn't offer any savings then it doesn't make any sense to me, unless it's filled with new models? But I don't think there is anything new, is there?

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Releasing this box gives a huge "OMGLOOKATTHATHUGEBOX!"-reaction to visitors at the stores, which will create some buzz and get people talking about Planetstrike.

Kids will pester their parents to get them that box, parents cave in, buys them a smaller box just to get them to shut up.

It'll be a flagship product that everyone wants but only the few (and retarded) can afford. The box that every pre-teen / post-teen / middle-aged man will look at with dreamy eyes wishing they could afford or just be stupid enough to buy.

So [b]I[/b] believe that GW doesn't lose that much money not selling it. Printing the box and packing it of course. Compared to all the talk about their IP they get by putting it up I think they'll actually earn money from it. Even if they don't sell a single unit of it.

Although I believe they WILL sell tons of boxes though. Just not to "us".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781430.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781430.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781529.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781529.page GMT GW website showing the price? So far I have seen "my local GW told me", "I heard this" "x told me" and even "I worked it out by adding up everything on the online store".

Until I see this on the GW web store then its sodium chlorate all round]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/781566.page GMT
It's here [url=http://bunker5.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=4_12_22&products_id=85&zenid=64d4320ddbb13c49b82324003c6a5144]Spear of Sicarius[/url].

I'm not sure I have that much cash but I suppose if you wanted to split it with someone. Plus since it all comes sealed you could take the boxes to a local store to change for whatever you wanted.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/813800.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/813800.page GMT
Only a complete mug would buy [the Spear of Sicarius direct from GW]. Ordering the everything in that bundle from [url=http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk]Maelstrom[/url] gets you everything there for US$859.25.

That's a saving of US$207.05.

Better yet, consider what the shipping costs would be, even domestic shipping, on such a large amount of boxes? According to the GWUS site, it's a further [b]$90[/b]. Unlike with this direct only GW bundle, ordering this from Maelstrom yields [b]free shipping[/b].

Don't be a moron. [b]Do not order this from GW.[/b]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/813857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/813857.page GMT GW forces people into purchase, yet everybody screams their head off hating GW for offering something like this.[/quote]

Becuase when you offer something as a bundle deal...folks expect, well, a deal. Whether its electronics, games, models or anything else.

Bundling something together that costs the same as buying it seperate isnt a deal. Thus why people wish ill and hope it doesnt sell. Becuase it doesnt deserve to.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/813888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/813888.page GMT
To be honest I ordered from them, it was nice, my order arrived faster than when I order from the US, which is strange cause I live in the US...

Anywho, advertising aside, I don't quite know what to think, it seems cool, yet its Vanilla Marines and as every one has said its got no price savings.

I do wonder whats next though, a Regiment in a box?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/813890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/243599/813890.page GMT
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