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Kid_Kyoto — GMT

NOTE: This is a 2nd (now 3rd) hand rumor.

http://wargamesfactory.lefora.com/2008/12/15/sci-fi-androids-6mm/page7/#post13760448

[quote]Lines went off their on-line catalogue on Sunday. Various people from the tactical command and warseer forums contacted ForgeWorld yesterday and got the same response. Anything that has gone from the catalogue is now out of production. Other lines will stay on the catalogue while they have stock, and callers were advised to buy now. They were then told that Forge World are reviewing the entire epic line to see if its finnancially worth continueing, and some staff hinted that they thouight this unlikely.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.[/quote]

Anyone know more?

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Malika2 — GMT

So would this also mean the end of Aeronautica Imperialis?

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Kid_Kyoto — GMT

[quote=Malika2]So would this also mean the end of Aeronautica Imperialis?[/quote]

Dunno, but isn't AI a different scale? Epic is 6m, AI is like 10mm or 15mm.

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H.B.M.C. — GMT

Anyone know what else besides Epic would fall under this banner?

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Kid_Kyoto — GMT

Do they still make Warmaster stuff?

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BrookM — GMT

AI won't be dropped because they are pushing it as a game of their own. If items are not to be found in their booklet then they should be on the site, the thing says so.

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Tek — GMT

Anything made of resin.

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Malika2 — GMT

[quote=Kid_Kyoto][quote=Malika2]So would this also mean the end of Aeronautica Imperialis?[/quote]

Dunno, but isn't AI a different scale? Epic is 6m, AI is like 10mm or 15mm.[/quote]

If I recall correctly AI was the same scale as Epic, it was just that the old epic aircraft models were always way smaller than they should be.

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Sirius42 — GMT

THat would be a shame if it happened... always thought about getting back into epic but somehow it always ended up with me spending my cash on BFG instead.

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Cheese Elemental — GMT

I won't miss it. We have Apocalypse for huge battles now and don't have to fart around painting models 6mm tall.

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Alpharius — GMT

I will miss it, and wonder how many years will have to pass before GW tries again.

"Epic" scale is an awesome way to represent the 'true' scale of combat in the 40K universe, and really the only way a superheavy or titan should hit the table...

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Paul Atreides — GMT

Thing is many people said 'If you really want to play battles that large just go play epic' and the detail level of forgeworld epic miniatures was really jawdroping.

Anyone know what else then epic is sitting on the firing line as of yet?

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Alpharius draws quicker then Paul.

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Agamemnon2 — GMT

[quote=Cheese Elemental]I won't miss it. We have Apocalypse for huge battles now and don't have to fart around painting models 6mm tall.[/quote]
I will miss it, for the exact opposite reasons. Epic is ten times the wargame system Apocalypse ever could be.

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Frazzled — GMT

[quote=Cheese Elemental]I won't miss it. We have Apocalypse for huge battles now and don't have to fart around painting models 6mm tall.[/quote]

The you sir don't have a clue what real wargaming is. Epic invites me to wipe my incredibly large and hairy keister with Apocalypse. EPIC has something called tactics which involve more than piling your guys onto a table and making pew pew noises. Its not Avalon Hill level, but tactics, morale, and preplanning are required.

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Cheese Elemental — GMT

I don't like tiny miniatures. 'nuff said.

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Breotan — GMT

[quote=Cheese Elemental]I don't like tiny miniatures. 'nuff said.[/quote]Oh, the irony.

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Cheese Elemental — GMT

I suppose it's a bit contradictory. I meant the really small ones like Flames of War and Epic.

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Frazzled — GMT

Och you're missing out on what real wargaming is then. 40K is beer and pretzels or a launching platform for painting/converting. Apocalypse is pew pew noises.

A whole world of real wargaming is out there.

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Cheese Elemental — GMT

I'd rather play Pokemon with five-year-olds who have ADD than paint an Epic scale mini.

Someday, I hope to raise my painting skills from absymal to god-forsaken.

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Frazzled — GMT

EPIC scale minis are substantially easier to paint than 40K scale. Much less detail required. Two to three colors for infantry means you can paint all your infantry in 2 hours if you want.

And now a blast from the past real game:

[IMG]http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/ARGaming/ARG009.jpg[/IMG]

Brings back memories of the 3rd grade. Fun!

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99MDeery — GMT

Fazzled is right CE, Epic was an awesome system, it requires you to think alot more a reason why I still play it and don't play 40k anymore (even though im going to dip my toes into 40k again wish me luck).

It is a true wargaming experience as 40k is a Skirmish game not a huge battle game, that is what epic was deisgned for, you can complain and disregard the minis all you want but for feths sake try and read the rules before you bash the entire game.

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Cheese Elemental — GMT

Take your stone-age games elsewhere. This is a forum of the present.

If I wanted to have fun with something old, I'd throw water balloons at Old Man Jenkins next door

And of course I don't hate Epic, I just think Apocalypse is better.

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99MDeery — GMT

Epic Scale Games
Games played on an Epic scale. EPIC 40K, WARMASTER, etc.
complete epic list?
At: 2009/06/07 21:21:40
By: lokilokust 37 210

Need I say more..........................

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Fishboy — GMT

A group of us in our club had been batting around playing epic for years, especially when GW rereleased the living rule book and new models. We then sat back and watched as everything was pulled from the shelves (again) and realized it would not be a supported game. Our local store didnt make much if any money stocking and selling it so getting stuff just got dificult. We finally just gave up as nobody is inspired to play a game that the company does not support.

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Agamemnon2 — GMT

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Cheese Elemental — GMT

Geez, I was joking. Don't get all butthurt over it

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George Spiggott — GMT

I'd forgotten they were even making Epic stuff. GW's worst [u]sold[/u] game finally dissapears?

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Malika2 — GMT

It was probably also one of GW's best games...

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Nurglitch — GMT

[hyperbole]Epic is the reason why we can't have nice games from GW.[/hyperbole]

It's one of their best games and it's the one that sells the worst (Bloodbowl is their second best game, and that has its own limits to selling, both written by Jervis Johnson I might add).

Warhammer 40k, on the other hand, and particularly its Apocalypse supplement, has demonstrated that there is an inverse relation between the quality of a game (rather than, say, it's playing pieces) and its success as a product. Sometimes I think this is why crappy board games like Risk, Monopoly, and so on are still steady sellers: people don't want excellence, they want mediocrity ("satisficing" in fancy jargon).

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Frazzled — GMT

Of course that argument is itself obviated by the popularity of chess.

Apocalypse is pushed by GW to sell larger, more expensive minis. EPIC is not pushed by GW because by its nature, it can't.

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MeanGreenStompa — GMT

And we draw a step closer to the absorbing... /shivers and mutters darkly

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Nurglitch — GMT

Frazzled:

Chess is mediocre. Real Men play Go.

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Mastiff — GMT

[quote=Kid_Kyoto]NOTE: This is a 2nd (now 3rd) hand rumor.

http://wargamesfactory.lefora.com/2008/12/15/sci-fi-androids-6mm/page7/#post13760448

[quote]Lines went off their on-line catalogue on Sunday. Various people from the tactical command and warseer forums contacted ForgeWorld yesterday and got the same response. Anything that has gone from the catalogue is now out of production. Other lines will stay on the catalogue while they have stock, and callers were advised to buy now. They were then told that Forge World are reviewing the entire epic line to see if its finnancially worth continueing, and some staff hinted that they thouight this unlikely.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.[/quote]

Anyone know more?[/quote]

That's such a shame. I really wish GW could have done plastics for Epic. I know the startup costs for each sprue make that impractical, but it would have been a great way to build up starter armies. I've always liked the look of the game, I just couldn't afford all the armies I would have needed to buy to get others into the game.

Thanks for the news. :(

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Kid_Kyoto — GMT

My dream is still prepainted epic plastics...

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Nurglitch — GMT

A thought just occurred to me. You know how GW has licensed an RPG out to Fantasy Flight games? Maybe they could license out Epic plastic to the Wargames Factory. Or maybe the Epic fans can petition the Wargames Factory for some 'generic' 6mm plastic sprues.

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Noble713 — GMT

That's disappointing, but I've never bought anything from Forgeworld, nor have I bought an Epic mini from GW since at least 2002. I've been a long-time fan of Epic and I have pretty sizable armies that I purchased a decade ago (plus countless figures on sprues).

The game is great from a consumer standpoint with small, easily transported armies and a better sense of scale. Unfortunately the prices have been insane post-Space Marine/Titan Legion and Epic 40K sucked so much that the good rules of Epic:Armageddon couldn't recover. Especially not with GW's lackluster support of the system. :(

The whole "deep game vs beer&pretzels game" is the same with any market though. Hearts of Iron 2 and Space Empires 4 are considered "niche games" while everybody and their mother says "Yeah, I play strategy games too...like Command & Conquer."

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Ozymandias — GMT

Oh No! The Epic Scale Warhound is gone from their website. Not only was it better than the GW version, it was actually cheaper too.

:(

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Gobbla — GMT

I like the idea Epic; I’ve played it off and on since the old Space Marine days. It is very tactical, and it’s neat to see the full range of 40K vehicle and titans in action. But after playing Epic again recently, I remember why don’t love it. It takes sizable armies to get the full enjoyment from the game. That means the games last 3 hours (partly my fault, I simply can’t play it often enough to become fully conversant with the rules). It also means moving sooo many little pieces around the board. After every game, I kinda think to myself, “ I could have been playing 40K, instead.” This is not to dis Epic, but it does have its drawbacks.

I don’t see Apocalypse as a bigger game of Epic. It’s a bigger game of 40K, only just for fun, if played correctly.

On a side note, I’ve never thought bashing 40K and WFB is the best way to promote Specialist Games. Despite the fact that Specialist Games were supposed to promote the mainstream games, they often attract anti-GW gamers. Admittedly, this doesn’t apply so much to Epic. The bad news is I don’t really see mush of a future for Specialists Games, beyond what they have right now. Occasionally, an Epic, Mordheim, BFG, Blood Bowl, or Necro campaign breaks out at my FLGS, but the time between outbreaks is steadily increasing (around 2 to 5 years between each system right now). That means most 40K and WFB types have never played a Specialist Game.

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Deff Dread red Edition — GMT

Gw's coverage of their specialist games has also be poor of late.Apart from a mention in WD now and than and a small section on the site,we never really hear much of them.I think it is a real shame,I have always enjoyed GW's range of specialist games,Necromunda is my fav.Never played epic myself,but heard it was a good or atleast an ok game.

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Malika2 — GMT

THey mention the Specialist Games in the WD? I thought the White Dwarf was reduced to just showing the new Space Marines and telling us to buy more more more more more more more more more more!

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Deff Dread red Edition — GMT

Well when I say mention I mean,they do tell you when blood bowl tournaments are on,lol.

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JohnHwangDD — GMT

[quote=Nurglitch]Chess is mediocre. Real Men play Go. [/quote]
Non-random, complete information games like Chess and Go are for computers.

Real men play bridge.

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Deff Dread red Edition — GMT

What about Go fish.

On topic,how much epic stuff did FW make?

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Nurglitch — GMT

[quote=JohnHwangDD][quote=Nurglitch]Chess is mediocre. Real Men play Go. [/quote]
Non-random, complete information games like Chess and Go are for computers.

Real men play bridge.
[/quote]
Show me a Go-playing computer that can beat a mildly interested seven year old Go player and you might even have something there. There's no computer in the world that can handle the combinatorial explosion involved in Go.

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JohnHwangDD — GMT

Given that humans don't really play Go on a combinatorial basis, I don't see why a computer should be forced to do so.

That said, I think the big difference is that a lot more analysis and resources have gone into solving Chess.

Now that Chess is done, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Go]I expect to see Go solved during my lifetime[/url]. Go is a solvable game, whereas Bridge isn't.

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studderingdave — GMT

first we get the snub from GW in general for being into thier "specialist games"

now this.

it is particularly annoying for me, i play a minervan tank company in epic, 99% of my stuff is FW. looks like my army just capped at 10,000 points even though i was looking to get more.

sigh

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Nurglitch — GMT

JohnHwangDD:

That's just my point, that Go is not solvable via ordinary combinatorial means without nigh infinite amounts of resources such as time or computing power. It's not a matter of the resources that we have plowed into it, but a genuine problem with the logics underlying the game-theoretic tools used to tackle the problem. It'll take longer than our lifetimes to integrate the necessary innovations in logic into combinatorial game theory, such that anyone will ever solve Go.

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Frazzled — GMT

[quote=Malika2]THey mention the Specialist Games in the WD? I thought the White Dwarf was reduced to just showing the new Space Marines and telling us to buy more more more more more more more more more more![/quote]

Whats WD?

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[quote=Nurglitch]Frazzled:

Chess is mediocre. Real Men play[b] Survivor: Compton dressed in sandals and a T-shirt that says "Rappers are Losers". [/b][/quote]

Fixed your typo

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Marshal2Crusaders — GMT

I will miss Epic if they get rid of the system. I believe Forge World is just losing the line right?

Higher level combat has always appealed to me (I doubt you'll find many other kids who played Norm Kroger(sp?) games as children)

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Mattlov — GMT

I was PISSED about this. I was just about to FINALLY order some Epic Warhounds, and the day before I place my order they take them away.

GOD DAMMIT.

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Savnock — GMT

Looks like another opportunity for other miniatures companies to make money with the IP that GW developed and cannot pursue due to sheer bloatedness.

I look forward to WGF space-elf sprues. Especially ones with titans... er, "tytans" or "large space elf robot suits".

WGF, the ball is yours. Run with it!!!!

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LunaHound — GMT

While personally i never looked or even cared about 40k Epics , i still cant help be worried to hear the news.

Anytime a large sub product from a game company is taken off is a big blow to everyone.

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JohnHwangDD — GMT

[quote=Savnock]Looks like another opportunity for other miniatures companies to make money with the IP that GW developed and cannot pursue due to sheer bloatedness.

I look forward to space-elf sprues. Especially ones with titans... er, "tytans" or "large space elf robot suits".[/quote]
PP already released the pics of the Retribution models.

They look like crap.

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BrookM — GMT

[quote=Frazzled][quote=Nurglitch]Frazzled:

Chess is mediocre. Real Men play[b] Survivor: Compton dressed in sandals and a T-shirt that says "Rappers are Losers". [/b][/quote]

Fixed your typo [/quote]You know this guy?

hl=en&fs=1&rel=0">hl=en&fs=1&rel=0" >

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Lordhat — GMT

[quote=Frazzled] Epic invites me to wipe my incredibly large and hairy keister with Apocalypse. [/quote] And then fall asleep from sheer boredom. To each his own, however.

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carmachu — GMT

[quote=Cheese Elemental]Take your stone-age games elsewhere. This is a forum of the present.

If I wanted to have fun with something old, I'd throw water balloons at Old Man Jenkins next door

And of course I don't hate Epic, I just think Apocalypse is better.[/quote]

You kids today have no manners. And no respect.

I can tell from you rlast couple comments your 12 years old and have no idea what your talking about.

Apocalypse is fun. But Epic is truely a well made game. If GW actually supported it, it would still be.

But think what you want, its really YOUR loss.

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Savnock — GMT

[quote=JohnHwangDD][quote=Savnock]Looks like another opportunity for other miniatures companies to make money with the IP that GW developed and cannot pursue due to sheer bloatedness.

I look forward to space-elf sprues. Especially ones with titans... er, "tytans" or "large space elf robot suits".[/quote]
PP already released the pics of the Retribution models.

They look like crap.[/quote]

No, no- the TINY space-elf robot suits, not the 28mm needlesslyawfulshoulderpadgunbladepoorlysculptedfaces space-elf robot suits.

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Archonate — GMT

This news makes me suspect that GW released Apoc because they had in mind to phase out EPIC. Apoc may not be as good, but it's the same idea and this way they sell more of the expensive models, without the expense of churning out EPIC models.
Too bad really. Epic was the game I always meant to get into but never got around to it.

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JohnHwangDD — GMT

We'll still have non-Forgeworld Epic, right?

Then it shouldn't be a problem.

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Mastiff — GMT

[quote=Kid_Kyoto]My dream is still prepainted epic plastics...[/quote]

sigh. Yeah, that would be perfect.

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H.B.M.C. — GMT

So yeah, as I said, does anything [i]else[/i] fall under this banner, y'know, [i]besides[/i] Epic?

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robertsjf — GMT

[quote=George Spiggott]GW's worst [u]sold[/u] game finally dissapears?[/quote]

There getting rid of WFB?

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BrookM — GMT

[quote=H.B.M.C.]So yeah, as I said, does anything [i]else[/i] fall under this banner, y'know, [i]besides[/i] Epic?[/quote]Warmaster.

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H.B.M.C. — GMT

And that's it?

They're not killing off any of the 40K or Fantasy items?

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torgoch — GMT

From what I understand from speaking to Forgeworld mail-order earlier, the molds for most of the Epic lines have had it and need to be redone. There will therefore be a discussion as to whether it is worth redoing the molds. I imagine the answer would be no, given that they can sell more value in Vendetta upgrades in a week than their entire Epic line will do a in a year.

The timing is somewhat annoying - I had planned to order a Tau before the end of the year, but Crisis suits and Railgun Hammerheads have unfortunately now left the stage for good.

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Fishboy — GMT

Arch I dont think this was a long term plan on GW's part. Epic and Arm are two different games played 2 different ways. Epic is more strategic and Arm is about removing mass amounts of models per game. The only real way to equalize out is to play on a garage floor to mimic the distances. I think this is more of GW trying to "Lean out" like most companies are doing. I think you will see more of this in the future with the other game sets once the models start to run out but this is just MHO and nothing more. The games that dont have some type of starter set will probably be the first to get shelved then re released in a year or two like talisman was.

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George Spiggott — GMT

I'd swear that GW were trying to kill Epic long before Apoc came on the scene.

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Bahkara — GMT

This sucks as it was Adeptus Titanicus/Space Marine that got me into 40K

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Perturabo's Chosen — GMT

Epic was my first real wargame after battletech. I think I cried when they made Epic 40,000, as it was the deathnell for GW's 3rd core system. Makes me want to cry right now just thinking about it. "I miss you Epic, I'll always love you!"

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Agamemnon2 — GMT

[quote=JohnHwangDD]We'll still have non-Forgeworld Epic, right?

Then it shouldn't be a problem.[/quote]
Well, except GW's Epic stuff is more expensive than FW's. Hilarious, innit?

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Mattlov — GMT

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Nurglitch — GMT

[quote=Agamemnon2][quote=JohnHwangDD]We'll still have non-Forgeworld Epic, right?

Then it shouldn't be a problem.[/quote]
Well, except GW's Epic stuff is more expensive than FW's. Hilarious, innit?[/quote]
Funny story: My local supermarket chain has started charging for plastic grocery bags, like 5c (technically 6c after tax!). And they have these signs up advertising the fact with the slogan "Because we don't want you to buy them!"

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Malika2 — GMT

Lol! Well maybe you shouldn't buy them and just bring your own shopping bag? We have those in Holland...really handy. When I was in Peru they practically put every thing you bought in a different baggy. The amount of plastic waste that was left behind is just crazy!

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Sarge — GMT

Losing Epic isn't unexpected,but its sad. I've been trying to convince friends to play it with me for a while. Oh well.

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Malika2 — GMT

It's not like we need GW/FW for models... One could always try to get proxies from other companies or try to scratchbuild some stuff.

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TheSecretSquig — GMT

I'm not entirely surprised at this decsision, in fact I'm surprised Epic from Forgeworld lasted as long as it did. Although I can smile to myself. My Steel Legion fully Mech army of which 99% of all the vehicles are from Forgeworld just doubled in value! I've also about £500's worth of FOrgeworld Epic buildings (including x2 of the catherderals) that also just increased in Ebay value.

After Space Crusade / Space Hulk, Epic was my 3rd GW game I purchased. Can't say I've played it too much (hard to find opponents) but I think it looks more impressive on a table than any other GW army, and takes a lot more skill to paint!

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Nurglitch — GMT

[quote=Malika2]Lol! Well maybe you shouldn't buy them and just bring your own shopping bag? We have those in Holland...really handy. When I was in Peru they practically put every thing you bought in a different baggy. The amount of plastic waste that was left behind is just crazy![/quote]
On the face of it that's the company's point. They also sell reusable cloth bags for something like a Canadian Peso each. But given the cost of the bags to produce/ship/retail/recycle (a fraction of a cent), and the fact that if they didn't people using bags that they wouldn't sell them, it's basically an ill-disguised attempt to gouge customers and sell it as "green".

I should second Malika's point: there's quite a few 1/300th scale manufacturers out there, some decidedly higher quality than GW (GHQ, for example).

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Thorgut — GMT

I've noticed some of the first things to go are the things that GW also sell (but at a higher price).
Not that I'm suggesting a conspiracy or anything!

It's a pity because the GW models show their age compared to the Forgeworld equivalents which are excellent.
There may be other 6mm manufacturers but they'll always be almost-Space Marines and almost-Imperial Guard.

I really hope they redo the moulds.

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Breotan — GMT

It's interesting which items are still on the Epic section of the catalog and which have been removed.

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Hollismason — GMT

Actually what is really fun is to play 5th Edition with Epic Miniatures. It's not difficult its actually rather fun.