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Comments and criticism please.

-HQ-

Da Frankenboss, a warboss with;
Bike
Power klaw
Cybork body
Attack squig
Bosspole

Total- 155 points

Da Big Nekromanca, a big mek with;
Kustom Force Field
Burna
Cybork body
'Eavy armour

Total- 120
[size=18]GROUP TOTAL- 275[/size]

-Troops-

Centorks (6 Nob Bikers)
1; Power klaw, cybork body, waaagh banner
2; power klaw, cybork body
3; power klaw, cybork body
4; big choppa, cybork body
5; big choppa, cybork body
6; painboy, cybork body

Total- 430

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Skorks (20 ork boys)
with shoota's
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 150

Skorks (20 ork boys)
with shoota's
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 150

[size=18]GROUP TOTAL- 1390[/size]

-Elites-

Booma's (10 tankbusta's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole
3 bomb squigs
2 tank hammers

Total- 195

Phantasmorks (10 burna boys)
with mek with Kustom Mega Blasta

Total- 150
[size=18]GROUP TOTAL- 345[/size]

-Heavy support-

Bonebeast (deff dread)
Grot riggers
2 extra DCCW
Armour plates

Total 120
[size=18]Group total 120[/size]
[size=20]
Army total- 2150[/size]

The Elites slots i am unsure about but im lacking in anti-tank and i dont want to use loota's or flash gits for fluff reasons so tankbusta's seemed to be a logical choice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/800397.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/800397.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/800572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/800572.page GMT FNP to protect them. Instead of that 5+ inv you'll be using your 4+ cover almost all of the time.

Decide. Are these shoota or slugga and choppa? You can't mix those.

Tankbustas are better in teams of 5. Since they can't really use the mob rule. And in such smaller teams you can put more tankhammer which you'll probably be more fond of instead of the rokkits due to lame bs orks have.

Burnas don't work with meks. It's better to take pure burnas I think.

I like the deff dread I bet it'll be fun. I ran DD's with skorcha and a dccw and wasn't dissapointed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/800674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/800674.page GMT
[quote=Konini]Decide. Are these shoota or slugga and choppa? You can't mix those.[/quote]

Forgive me but im not really sure why you cant have both?

EDIT: FETH! i put shoota instead of choppa on the slugga/choppa boys!
SHIT im so sorry guys

[quote=Konini]Drop Cybork on nob bikers and boss. On bikes they already have 4+ cover save and templates usually don't do much against bikers. Still you've got FNP to protect them. Instead of that 5+ inv you'll be using your 4+ cover almost all of the time.

Tankbustas are better in teams of 5. Since they can't really use the mob rule. And in such smaller teams you can put more tankhammer which you'll probably be more fond of instead of the rokkits due to lame bs orks have.

Burnas don't work with meks. It's better to take pure burnas I think.

I like the deff dread I bet it'll be fun. I ran DD's with skorcha and a dccw and wasn't dissapointed.[/quote]

I have cybork on the Nobs and Boss mostly because they will have bionic parts anyway and since this army will be heavily converted im trying to keep things as simple for the opponent as possible.

On the topic of tankbusta's and burna's i wholeheartedly agree though



EDIT new list;


-HQ-

Da Frankenboss, a warboss with;
Bike
Power klaw
Cybork body
Attack squig
Bosspole

Total- 155 points

Da Big Nekromanca, a big mek with;
Kustom Force Field
Burna
Cybork body
'Eavy armour

Total- 120
[size=18]GROUP TOTAL- 275[/size]

-Troops-

Centorks (6 Nob Bikers)
1; Power klaw, cybork body, waaagh banner
2; power klaw, cybork body
3; power klaw, cybork body
4; big choppa, cybork body
5; big choppa, cybork body
6; painboy, cybork body

Total- 430

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Skorks (20 ork boys)
with shoota's
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 150

Skorks (20 ork boys)
with shoota's
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 150

[size=18]GROUP TOTAL- 1390[/size]

-Elites-

Booma's (5 tankbusta's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole
3 bomb squigs
2 tank hammers

Total- 120

Phantasmorks (10 burna boys)


Total- 150
[size=18]GROUP TOTAL- 345[/size]

-Heavy support-

Bonebeast (deff dread)
Grot riggers
2 extra DCCW
Armour plates

Total 120
[size=18]Group total 120[/size]
[size=20]
Army total- 2075[/size]
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/800928.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/800928.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/801080.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/801080.page GMT
What would you suggest i spend them on?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/801142.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/801142.page GMT WS 2 it still does it's share in cqc. For example I once used a can worth 45 pts to block in cqc a squad of necrons (it was warriors I guess) who were 2 times or 3 times the kans worth but couldn't pierce its front armour, and slowly one by one (because necrons have WS 4 which makes it hard for the kan to hit) the kan brought them down (unfortunately I had nobody to help it fight them off). Still it stopped them from doing any bad for the rest of the game.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/801712.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/801712.page GMT WS 2 it still does it's share in cqc. For example I once used a can worth 45 pts to block in cqc a squad of necrons (it was warriors I guess) who were 2 times or 3 times the kans worth but couldn't pierce its front armour, and slowly one by one (because necrons have WS 4 which makes it hard for the kan to hit) the kan brought them down (unfortunately I had nobody to help it fight them off). Still it stopped them from doing any bad for the rest of the game.[/quote]

i think i trim the list down to 2000 instead of adding anything, ill post the 3rd version when its done


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-HQ-

Da Frankenboss, a warboss with;
Bike
Power klaw
Attack squig


Total- 140 points

Da Big Nekromanca, a big mek with;
Kustom Force Field
Burna
Cybork body
'Eavy armour

Total- 120
GROUP TOTAL- 270

-Troops-

Centorks (6 Nob Bikers)
1; Power klaw, waaagh banner
2; power klaw, bosspole
3; power klaw
4; big choppa, Kombi shoota-skorcha
5; big choppa
6; painboy

Total- 410

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Skorks (20 ork boys)
with shoota's
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 150

Skorks (20 ork boys)
with shoota's
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 150

GROUP TOTAL- 1390

-Elites-

Booma's (5 tankbusta's)
Nob with bosspole
2 bomb squigs
2 tank hammers

Total- 90

Phantasmorks (10 burna boys)
Mek With Kustom Mega Blasta

Total- 150
GROUP TOTAL- 245

-Heavy support-

Bonebeast (deff dread)
Grot riggers
2 extra DCCW

Total 110
Group total 110

Army total- 2000]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/801746.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/801746.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/801859.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/801859.page GMT
Omg, i don't think you should play ork at all.



TS: Go ahead with the Cybork, you ll need them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/802420.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/802420.page GMT
40 points extra just to cope with the rare occasion that a strengh 10 weapon that negates cover saves is fired on my nobs isnt exactly worth it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/802477.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/802477.page GMT
Also the bikers should be kitted differently so you can take advantage of wound allocation rules. As it is you'll have to group your nobs when allocating wounds and remove whole models (instead of spreading the love)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/802795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/802795.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/802990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/802990.page GMT FNP. To costly for what it would do. And as far as the tanks go there's not much more you could do. There are pks in every unit, there's a DD, tankbustas and of course the nobz. Unfortunately orks don't have much of a tank busting possibilities. I guess you'll have to make out the best of what you have or if they really give you a hard time drop something for more bustin power.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/803023.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/803023.page GMT
Each model is worth like 50 pts.
Power fist, power wpns - you take cybork for CC.

Cybork is the first upgrade you should always take on Nobz, right after a Painboy.

This is the first place i see someone actually said cybork is useless on biker nobz. What a joke.


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/804845.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/804845.page GMT
You could start by taking the bosspole off the warboss and puting it on one of the nobs with just power klaws. Then if you took the cybork body off the big mek you can afford a shoota/skorcha for one of the other nobs.

Or, find 5 points elsewhere for the shoota/skorcha]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/804983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/804983.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/805266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/805266.page GMT imho enough ways to avoid losing those nobz and enough speed to avoid any cc weapons you don't want to face.

Kopta's are not a bad idea. They're agile and could pose more of a threat than tankbustas. I'd still test what you get though. We can give you advise, but that's all purely theoretical, for example I find many advise I came by here useless or near useless in battles I did. And some of course where invaluable.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/805383.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/805383.page GMT
First Rule: Always take a Painboy
Second Rule: Make sure they all have different Wargear
Third Rule: Bosspoles. Yes, multiple. They are super useful, and will help break up the wargear.
Fourth Rule: Waaagh Banner
Fifth Rule: 1 in every 3 should have a Pk, if that. Don't go overboard!
Sixth Rule: Give them a trukk (if not bikers)
Seventh Rule: Take Stikkbombs, so they can pretty much smack anything at initiative 4.

Your nobz cost you alot, you don't want them dying. An extra 10% pts for 33% extra survivability in C&C is a bargain. If you arent taking Cybork for your nobz, then you are better off without them.

Yes, you are better off trying out yourself instead of trusting the advice (NOT ADVISE) here 100%.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/806027.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/806027.page GMT
First Rule: Always take a Painboy
Second Rule: Make sure they all have different Wargear
Third Rule: Bosspoles. Yes, multiple. They are super useful, and will help break up the wargear.
Fourth Rule: Waaagh Banner
Fifth Rule: 1 in every 3 should have a Pk, if that. Don't go overboard!
Sixth Rule: Give them a trukk (if not bikers)
Seventh Rule: Take Stikkbombs, so they can pretty much smack anything at initiative 4.

Your nobz cost you alot, you don't want them dying. An extra 10% pts for 33% extra survivability in C&C is a bargain. If you arent taking Cybork for your nobz, then you are better off without them.

Yes, you are better off trying out yourself instead of trusting the advice (NOT ADVISE) here 100%.[/quote]

1.Done
2.Done
3.Do bosspoles stack?
4.Done
5. This unit exists to quickly take out big threats like MC's, we need as many power klaws as we can get.
6. On bikes, Done
7. Stikkbombs have no effect on power klaws so i only would need them on 3 models and since its a mob wide upgrade im going to listen the PK majority (4 models including boss) and not upgrade to stikkbombs

8.Nob bikers are T5 and the warboss is T6, nothing can negate the bosses FNP and only S10 weapons can negate the bikers FNP.
Giving them a 1/3 (5+ invul) chance of surviving instead of a 1/6 (6+ armour) prior to that comes out as a 1/6 (1/3 * 1/2) chance of not being wounded instead of a 1/12 (1/6*1/2).

2/12 for cybork
1/12 for none

Double survivability for 40pts...
Damn you mathhammer ive been converted again!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/806075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/806075.page GMT FNP and only S10 weapons can negate the bikers FNP.
Giving them a [b]1/3 (5+ invul) chance of surviving instead of a 1/6 (6+ armour)[/b] prior to that comes out as a 1/6 (1/3 * 1/2) chance of not being wounded instead of a 1/12 (1/6*1/2).

2/12 for cybork
1/12 for none

Double survivability for 40pts...
Damn you mathhammer ive been converted again![/quote]

it should be 1/3 chance vs no chance - against power wpns.
against anything else, you should be using your normal armor saves + FNP. 6+ shouldnt come into the picture]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/806305.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/806305.page GMT FNP is the 1/3.

Changed list to include Cybork on nobs and boss and some kannons instead of tankbusta's.

-HQ-

Da Frankenboss, a warboss with;
Bike
Power klaw
Attack squig
Cybork body

Total- 150 points

Da Big Nekromanca, a big mek with;
Kustom Force Field
Burna
'Eavy armour
Shoota-Skorcha Kombi

Total- 115
GROUP TOTAL- 265

-Troops-

Centorks (6 Nob Bikers)
1; Power klaw, cybork, waaagh banner
2; power klaw, cybork, bosspole
3; power klaw, cybork
4; big choppa, cybork, Kombi shoota-skorcha
5; big choppa, cybork
6; painboy, cybork

Total- 440

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Skorks (20 ork boys)
with shoota's
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 150

Skorks (20 ork boys)
with shoota's
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 150

GROUP TOTAL- 1400

-Elites-

Phantasmorks (10 burna boys)
Mek With Kustom Mega Blasta

Total- 150
GROUP TOTAL- 150

-Heavy support-

3 Kannons
5 extra grots
Total- 75

Bonebeast (deff dread)
Grot riggers
2 extra DCCW

Total 110
Group total 185

265+1400+150+185=
Army total- 2000

I have a very bad feeling i have totalled something wrong but im currently at work so i dont have access to codex, ill check when i get back at 6

in the meantime, C+C?

EDIT, my maths was right ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/806585.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/806585.page GMT FNP is also negated by AP 1 and 2 weapons. Somebody shoots a plasma at you and you're fried. So watch it.

Orkish: That's the EOT. We're not going to agree on any ground, so shut up and let's not spam this place anymore. Corpsesarefun can choose for himself.

Btw, when you test this army, make sure to inform me on how did the kannons do. I'm curious. Tried them once but couldn't finish the game (lack of time) so I didn't get the whole picture of it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/807444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/807444.page GMT I dont care if you are a newbie (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/225472.page) and dont know/dont want to know the basics, but you have no right to stop people from learning.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/807692.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/807692.page GMT
Konini, ill be sure to inform you of the results of the next game, although first i need to buy and heavily convert everything
then paint, then buy transport of some kind and then find a game ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/808032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/808032.page GMT FNP and only S10 weapons can negate the bikers FNP.[/quote]

I sold my orks so I dont have the codex anymore, but the bonus toughness from the bike doesn't apply to the instant death rule. (Page 53, pocket book)
However there may be some other rule for the bikers saying differently, as i said can't check with the codex.

Also I'd recommend re-reading the fnp rule. Just some basic stuff that negates the FNP (Page 75, pocket book):

AP 1-2 (as mentioned)
Power Weapons.
MCs in CC.

etc.

So I'd have to agree that cybork bodies can help a lot in close combat. At least if you've designed them to go after MCs as you said in your post.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/808056.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/808056.page GMT I din call him a newbie, he called himself one.
There is nothing wrong with the word newbie/new.


[quote=corpsesarefun]when your new yourself...
[/quote]
Don't assume anyone who is new to the forum is new to 40k ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/808191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/808191.page GMT
corpsesarefun: Thank you very much. Good luck and have fun ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/809155.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/809155.page GMT [/quote]

Then I bet it has changed for the worse ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/809750.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/809750.page GMT KFF? Doesnt the KFF replace all weapons?

/Martin]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/810200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/810200.page GMT IIRC doesnt a bike mounted models toughness for instantdeath count toward its profile. So for nobs on bikes its str 8 for instant death ??]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/810237.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/810237.page GMT IIRC doesnt a bike mounted models toughness for instantdeath count toward its profile. So for nobs on bikes its str 8 for instant death ??[/quote]

im not sure what you mean... do you mean a bike mounted model does not use the T1+ for instant death or it does?
if it does then thats S10 but if it doesnt its S8 like you said..

and in reply to the comment before that, im not quite sure as im currently at work and cant access my codex...
however i have a sinking feeling your right...
KFF is in the same section as the SAG, Mega armour and a bike and i know the SAG and mega armour replace both slugga and choppa, although the bike doesnt ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/810249.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/810249.page GMT FNP and only S10 weapons can negate the bikers FNP.[/quote]

I sold my orks so I dont have the codex anymore, but the bonus toughness from the bike doesn't apply to the instant death rule. (Page 53, pocket book)
However there may be some other rule for the bikers saying differently, as i said can't check with the codex.[/quote]

I'll just quote myself so someone might actually read it

So yeah, Page 53 ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/810261.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/810261.page GMT FNP and only S10 weapons can negate the bikers FNP.[/quote]

I sold my orks so I dont have the codex anymore, but the bonus toughness from the bike doesn't apply to the instant death rule. (Page 53, pocket book)
However there may be some other rule for the bikers saying differently, as i said can't check with the codex.[/quote]

I'll just quote myself so someone might actually read it

So yeah, Page 53 [/quote]

Ah
Sorry for not reading that the first time i didnt see it, still its even more reason to take cybork
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/810289.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/810289.page GMT KFF replaces only the slugga. But it seems strange considering that SAG and mega armour do the same.
Also could be a mistake. Maybe the "and choppa" was somehow overlooked.
But I would stick to it the way it looks now and wait until someone tries to correct it. After all the way it is now is much more comfortable ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/811310.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/811310.page GMT
The dread seems like an easy target. I think that the Nobz stand out a bit but w/e. 5 tankbustas might be a tad bit easy to take out... Maybe drop them and the burnas for lootas. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/811336.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/811336.page GMT KFF replaces only the slugga. But it seems strange considering that SAG and mega armour do the same.
Also could be a mistake. Maybe the "and choppa" was somehow overlooked.
But I would stick to it the way it looks now and wait until someone tries to correct it. After all the way it is now is much more comfortable [/quote]

[quote=EzeKK]This looks like a Green Tide lists and needs Ghazzy.

The dread seems like an easy target. I think that the Nobz stand out a bit but w/e. 5 tankbustas might be a tad bit easy to take out... Maybe drop them and the burnas for lootas. [/quote]

Thanks for clearing that up Konini

Ezekk, the nobs are a bodyguard unit for the boss and if you look at the most recent version i have gotten rid of the tankbusta's.
I dislike the fluff, model and concept of "Ghazzy" so for that and basicly since i dont want to take him due to regularity and him not fitting in im going to politely disagree.


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Final list, now with Kommando's to better represent the ghostlyness of Phantorks and to weaking the opposing force from behind.

-HQ-

Da Frankenboss, a warboss with;
Bike
Power klaw
Attack squig
Cybork body

Total- 150 points

Da Big Nekromanca, a big mek with;
Kustom Force Field
Burna
'Eavy armour
Shoota-Skorcha Kombi

Total- 115
GROUP TOTAL- 265

-Troops-

Centorks (6 Nob Bikers)
1; Power klaw, cybork, waaagh banner
2; power klaw, cybork, bosspole
3; power klaw, cybork
4; big choppa, cybork, Kombi shoota-skorcha
5; big choppa, cybork
6; painboy, cybork

Total- 440

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Zorks (30 ork boys with slugga's and choppa's)
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 220

Skorks (20 ork boys)
with shoota's
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 150

Skorks (20 ork boys)
with shoota's
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 150

GROUP TOTAL- 1400

-Elites-

Ghorks (9 kommando’s)
with 2 rokkits
Nob with power klaw and bosspole

Total- 150
GROUP TOTAL- 150

-Heavy support-

3 Kannons
3 extra grots
Total- 69

Bonebeast (deff dread)
Armour plates
Grot riggers
2 extra DCCW

Total 120
Group total 189

Army total- 1999
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/811354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/811354.page GMT 40k. If you make a shooting army, you can outgun IG or Tau. If you go foot-slogging, or mechanized, or kan-wall....all those options make you a completely awesome army, but there's a catch. You can only do one of them at a time with an army list.

If you combine a mechanized and a foot-slogging list, you're going to lose. If you have part assault, party shooting, you're probably going to lose. Your strength is in being able to pick something and be completely awesome at it. So before giving you advice on where to go next with your army, you need to pick a theme and build around it. If you want a bike army, or a shooting army; an outflanking army, mechanized, assault, figure out what your playstyle is and start building your units and armylist around that idea.

THAT is the strength of Orks.

When you decide what you want your army list to be, start by explaining what your intent is, then post an army list along those lines and we'll work from there and make suggestions.

As of right now, I think you've got SERIOUS problems with both your understrength kommandos, a deff dread guaranteed to die in turn 1, a kannon crew that won't make up its points, and a wide variety of different themes competing and clashing with each other, which is ultimately going to result in you....well, just losing.


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/811804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/811804.page GMT 40k. If you make a shooting army, you can outgun IG or Tau. If you go foot-slogging, or mechanized, or kan-wall....all those options make you a completely awesome army, but there's a catch. You can only do one of them at a time with an army list.

If you combine a mechanized and a foot-slogging list, you're going to lose. If you have part assault, party shooting, you're probably going to lose. Your strength is in being able to pick something and be completely awesome at it. So before giving you advice on where to go next with your army, you need to pick a theme and build around it. If you want a bike army, or a shooting army; an outflanking army, mechanized, assault, figure out what your playstyle is and start building your units and armylist around that idea.

THAT is the strength of Orks.

When you decide what you want your army list to be, start by explaining what your intent is, then post an army list along those lines and we'll work from there and make suggestions.

As of right now, I think you've got SERIOUS problems with both your understrength kommandos, a deff dread guaranteed to die in turn 1, a kannon crew that won't make up its points, and a wide variety of different themes competing and clashing with each other, which is ultimately going to result in you....well, just losing.


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I hope you have that ready to copy paste because this is what most ork army critique is like =P.

PS. Did you see that post about you on the general I think? I think someone was butthurt about you bashing their list haha. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/811810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/811810.page GMT
As of right now, I think you've got SERIOUS problems with both your understrength kommandos, a deff dread guaranteed to die in turn 1, a kannon crew that won't make up its points, and a wide variety of different themes competing and clashing with each other, which is ultimately going to result in you....well, just losing.

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1. The Kommandos are THERE to do on turn one, they are a kamakazi unit.
2. There isnt much you can do to increase deff dreads survivability... i chose it for the cool factor of having a giant 4 armed bone monster
3. If i did not take kannons as heavy support what do you suggest i take, keeping in mind the only vehicles im going use to stay with the flufff are walkers.

In responce to your post in general i respect your opinion but Spams arnt really something im into, im more of a variety guy and so this is reflected in my list and united with the theme of being undead via heavy converting/sculpting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/811937.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/811937.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/812232.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/812232.page GMT
a nob and 2 rokkit bearing kommando's are the minimum i could take for the unit
20 points for 2 rokkits
10 points for nob
5 for bosspole
25 for PK
30 for the 3 boys (one of which is upgraded to a nob)

thats 90 points MINIMUM for my strategy.
i might as well increase the impact with a 6 extra kommando's mighten i?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/812251.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/812251.page GMT PW if u get assulted by some nasty marines.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/812254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/812254.page GMT PK.

And who says they'll die in the first turn? If they're coming from the sides, they won't even [i]be[/i] there in the first turn.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/812270.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/812270.page GMT PK.

And who says they'll die in the first turn? If they're coming from the sides, they won't even [i]be[/i] there in the first turn.[/quote]


[quote=Skurk3n]Drop rokkits from kommandos and give em burnas so u have some PW if u get assulted by some nasty marines.[/quote]

Thanks for the responces guys, SD has it exactly right .
shoot some explosives up the rear before getting in there with a fist ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/812303.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/245816/812303.page GMT