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inzeos — GMT

Is officially on the US GW site now;

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1310001&prodId=prod50018a

$1,066.75

[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m210051a_99120101077_SpearOfSicarius_873x627.jpg[/img]

"The Spear of Sicarius

When leading a planetary invasion, the Captain of the Ultramarines 2nd Company often employs a battle formation known as the Spear of Sicarius. The Spear draws elements from several companies to form a hard-hitting elite around a core of Sicarius' own men.

This set contains 142 models; including: one metal Captain Sicarius, one multi-part plastic Command Squad, six multi-part plastic Tactical Squads, nine multi-part plastic Drop Pods, four multi-part plastic Terminators Squads, two multi-part plastic Dreadnoughts, eight multi-part plastic Assault Squads and one metal Vanguard Veterans squad."

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Nurglitch — GMT

Neat!

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The Power Cosmic — GMT

Is there any kind of price break there?

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Wayfarer — GMT

So kind of them to bundle it all up and offer no savings whatsoever.

I mean I'm not the cynical type and yes this hobby is expensive so I never sweat the prices but when trying to move this much product you think they would at least offer 10% off as some kind of incentive.

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spartanghost — GMT

WANT

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LunaHound — GMT

[quote=The Power Cosmic]Is there any kind of price break there?[/quote]

Not only are there no savings , customers can save [b]way more[/b] if they buy some AOBR boxes
for the Tac / Termie / Dred .

[img]http://h.imagehost.org/0287/sicariuslist.jpg[/img]

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spartanghost — GMT

on second thought, no tanks. F that.

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LunaHound — GMT

[quote=spartanghost]on second thought, no tanks. F that.[/quote]

But wait! here is a better way to get more: Sub in [size=18]6[/size] AOBR boxes for the tac termies and dred , $1024.25

You get addition:
4 more dred
4 more termie squad
6 more captain
6 more ork boss
120 more ork boys
30 more Nobs
18 more deff kopta

[img]http://h.imagehost.org/0322/aobrlist.jpg[/img]

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Nicorex — GMT

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Actually you dont save anything buying AoBR box sets. It actually costs you more.

6 AoBR boxes(for tac, temis and dreads)
1 command box
1 Sicarius
9 drop pods
8 assault boxes
1 vanguard box

1,111.31

thats with tax though.. and just about anywhere you guy you will need to pay tax for it.

Yes you would get 4 xtra dreads, 2 xtra temi squads and a ton of orks, that you could trade or ebay to make up some of that cash, but you are still initally putting down a big hunk of dough.

edit cause of a weird post

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spartanghost — GMT

problem is you lose ALOT of options if you buy all that black reach stuff. on the other hand, theoretically you could trade the orks for BR marines and save $225

also, are assault marines really only 26$?! I bought a box at a gaming store for 35!

edit: wait thats american prices

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LunaHound — GMT

[quote=Nicorex]

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Actually you dont save anything buying AoBR box sets. It actually costs you more.

6 AoBR boxes(for tac, temis and dreads)
1 command box
1 Sicarius
9 drop pods
8 assault boxes
1 vanguard box

1,111.31

Yes you would get 4 xtra dreads, 2 xtra temi squads and a ton of orks, that you could trade or ebay to make up some of that cash, but you are still initally putting down a big hunk of dough.

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You are looking at the wrong one , we are looking at the MRSP line for the $1,066.75 ( before tax )
in other words its $1024.25 ( yours is with additional tax )

You would have $42.50 saved to buy bits you want to customize with , ontop of the 4 more dred
4 more termie squad 6 more captain 6 more ork boss 120 more ork boys 30 more Nobs 18 more deff kopta

*Just saying its a nice alternative ( please dont take it as a flame or troll or anything )

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Nicorex — GMT

I saw that. I edited to show that tax was included

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TobyDog — GMT

Lol it's like straight up price with a couple cents off..
$1066.75

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Delephont — GMT

That deal is just stupid. Yes its great if you want to play (exclusively) Apocolypse, and maybe Planet Strike....but to play standard games (which you'd play most of the time) you lack so many gaming options, that the deal just looks like a waste.

For that kind of money, I could by a really REALLY well stacked army, with a lot of different options, ideal for dealing with different enemies.

Still, I guess this is typical of GW direction.

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BrookM — GMT

It looks neat and is shown in action in the PS book. Not that I can afford it or have the good terms to start another expensive army. But hey, it's only €890 for me!

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Alpharius — GMT

So NO discount and direct from GW?

OR, from a decent online retailer at, at least, 20% off?

Weird...

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Hollismason — GMT

Anyone who buys that is a retard and has to much money.

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LunaHound — GMT

[quote=Hollismason]Anyone who buys that is a retard and has to much money.[/quote]

Well ... im going to give GW A for effort for lining them up neatly like that for a tempting display photo :3

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Alpharius — GMT

Tempting until the price registers!

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H.B.M.C. — GMT

Only a complete mug would buy that deal... well... buy it from GW that is. Ordering the everything in that bundle from [url=http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk]Maelstrom[/url] gets you everything there for US$859.25.

That's a saving of US$207.05.

Better yet, consider what the shipping costs would be, even domestic shipping, on such a large amount of boxes? According to the GWUS site, it's a further [b]$90[/b]. Unlike with this direct only GW bundle, ordering this from Maelstrom yields [b]free shipping[/b].

Don't be a moron. [b]Do not order this from GW.[/b]

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DarkHound — GMT

I don't think GW thought this through.. or maybe they have some secret deal worked out with Maelstrom and other retailers. Maybe they get extra proffit for pushing traffic over to them?

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Delephont — GMT

I'm sure some newb will buy this......my guess is that GW is counting on that as well.

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BrotherStynier — GMT

Oh Lord, Alpharius wasn't lying there is a pretty picture!

Like I mentioned in the other thread;

I don't quite know what to think, it seems cool, yet its Vanilla Marines and as every one has said its got no price savings.

I do wonder whats next though, a Regiment in a box?

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Orlanth — GMT

[quote=The Power Cosmic]Is there any kind of price break there?[/quote]

Yes there is a potential price break. Its possibly all deboxed in one container so it saves [i]them[/i] on retail packaging.

What a bargain!!!

[quote=H.B.M.C.]....yields [b]free shipping[/b].

Don't be a moron. [b]Do not order this [u]at all[/u].[/b][/quote]

Fixed.

Really as there is no saving why collect THAT army? The only advantage in a big boxset is in the costing. Don't need more termies? Still Black Reach is potentially a bargain on cost, and that is assuming you dont collect orks either. The only reason to EVER buy this boxset is if you somehow accidentally needed the exact same miniatures anyway, if one unit changes from your ideal purchase list, just one unit, and it instantly becomes a bad buy. Even in optimal conditions, i.e. 'wow this is axactly what I wanted to get' its still no real benefit to you. After all you lose the option to buy your army by installments.

This is regardless of whether you buy from [url=http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/494.page]Maelstrom[/url] or not.

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whitedragon — GMT

I think GWUS has free shipping through July now. so the shipping is not an issue. Also, this deal doesn't save GW anything on packaging if they just throw a bunch of shrinkwrapped boxes together. Did anybody get the mega deathwing set? Was it packaged separately?

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Orlanth — GMT

[quote=whitedragon]Also, this deal doesn't save GW anything on packaging if they just throw a bunch of shrinkwrapped boxes together. [/quote]

Hence use of such terms as potential and possible. We wont know for sure until we see the boxset. That requires a sucker. Any takers?

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BrookM — GMT

Direct-Only deals such as these come in a big cardboard box with no box art, just look at most of the Apocalypse Direct-Only deals they had then. Only a few got an official box.

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Unix — GMT

You all are a bunch of cynics. Sure it doesn't save you any money but it spares you the time and frustration of having to navigate GW's website to purchase everything individually.

Think about it to buy everything separately you would have to go to 8 different product pages, figure out how many of each you need to order and then put in the right amount to order for each product. That's far too complicated and involved, especially for a hobby as easy and not time consuming as this one.

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avantgarde — GMT

LOOK AT THE DROP PODS!!! LOOK HOW MANY DROP PODS YOU GET!!! AWESEOME AWESOEME COOLEST THING EVERY ARRRARAWRWRAR

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Platuan4th — GMT

[quote=Delephont]I'm sure some newb will buy this......my guess is that GW is counting on that as well.[/quote]

Either that or they expect Mommy and Daddy will buy it for Little Timmy for his Birthday.

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DarkHound — GMT

Man, that is going to be his only gift for the next two years. I mean, you can buy a computer for that much. Christ.

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LunaHound — GMT

[quote=Platuan4th][quote=Delephont]I'm sure some newb will buy this......my guess is that GW is counting on that as well.[/quote]

Either that or they expect Mommy and Daddy will buy it for Little Timmy for his Birthday.[/quote]

And then we all know what happens on the day of delivery ...

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Nurglitch — GMT

Just the name is delightfully grimdark: "The Spear of the Dagger".

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Her Majesty's Buxom Commissar — GMT

[quote=BrookM]Direct-Only deals such as these come in a big cardboard box with no box art, just look at most of the Apocalypse Direct-Only deals they had then. Only a few got an official box.[/quote]
Apropos of nothing, the GW Planetstrike Launch Bundle came in a little printed colour box (here in Oz at least) - which I thought was nice.

[IMG]http://i567.photobucket.com/albums/ss120/HMBCommissar/AUPlanetstrikeLaunchBundle.jpg[/IMG]

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DarkHound — GMT

It must be a new meme. Wait, but aren't spears just daggers on sticks?

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H.B.M.C. — GMT

[quote=Unix]You all are a bunch of cynics. Sure it doesn't save you any money but it spares you the time and frustration of having to navigate GW's website to purchase everything individually.[/quote]

I'm going to go right ahead and assume that this is an attempt at ironic humour, right?

Otherwise (or regardless, really), I'll repeat myself:

Do not buy this bundle from GW. Buy it [url=http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/]elsewhere[/url].

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avantgarde — GMT

Jeez just put it in your sig already...

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Lagduf — GMT

[quote=H.B.M.C.]Only a complete mug would buy that deal... well... buy it from GW that is. Ordering the everything in that bundle from [url=http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk]Maelstrom[/url] gets you everything there for US$859.25.

That's a saving of US$207.05.

Better yet, consider what the shipping costs would be, even domestic shipping, on such a large amount of boxes? According to the GWUS site, it's a further [b]$90[/b]. Unlike with this direct only GW bundle, ordering this from Maelstrom yields [b]free shipping[/b].

Don't be a moron. [b]Do not order this from GW.[/b][/quote]

The box set is still stupid.

GW should be offering a discount on it. PERIOD.

There is NO incentive to spend a large sum of money on this product because, again, it offers NO savings.

Imagine if GW was giving a discount on this box set - say even something as low as a 10-15% savings compared to buying everything individually.

Now imagine if Maelstrom knocked a further 20% off GW's reduced price.

Then we would actually be talking about something worth buying.

[quote=Unix]You all are a bunch of cynics. Sure it doesn't save you any money but it spares you the time and frustration of having to navigate GW's website to purchase everything individually.

Think about it to buy everything separately you would have to go to 8 different product pages, figure out how many of each you need to order and then put in the right amount to order for each product. That's far too complicated and involved, especially for a hobby as easy and not time consuming as this one.[/quote]

I'm sorry, but this argument holds no weight.

You get to save a little bit of time on surfing Games Workshop's website?

Really, the "savings" we get is a little time?

Ultimately I think it's too bad GW has put up such a high dollar item, when in the past their previous (more expensive) box sets have always come at a reduced price as an incentive to get the customer to put forth a large sum of money. Why break from this practice now, especially when it's a practice they are still currently doing (see: Battleforce Boxes.)

The only reason to buy this Box set is if you want this exact build for Apoc and Planetstrike.

I really don't get it. Battleforces are at reduced prices and all those awesome Apoc formations were at reduced prices - why not this package?

[quote=H.B.M.C.]

Otherwise (or regardless, really), I'll repeat myself:

Do not buy this bundle from GW. Buy it [url=http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/]elsewhere[/url].[/quote]

Don't buy it at all.

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LunaHound — GMT

[quote=Lagduf]

I really don't get it. Battleforces are at reduced prices and all those awesome Apoc formations were at reduced prices - why not this package?
[/quote]

This is only a guess but , maybe it has something to do with the studio taking time to line them up for group shot.
while apoc formations are photo shopped.

That sounded so baka...

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Kanluwen — GMT

More likely this won't be a splash release like the Apocalypse formations were.

This would be easy to maintain as a regular deal, hence the price(the splash releases were all fairly good deals, from what I remember, and frankly I want them back and updated. I need me a Sentinel Company, and buying them one box at a time versus a 'deal' is quite quite annoying.)

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Old Man Ultramarine — GMT

This force is very good for a Planetstrike game.

Planetstrike Rules say any unit that has the deepstrike rule in their unit profile CAN assault the turn they come in.

Now GW makes these cool looking packages and then FAILS to offer any reason to buy it. Dummies!

On side note....I got my Bastions and Landing Pads the other day. I'm impressed.

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Sarge — GMT

So how much of a discount do you guys want before you'll buy it? 10%, 20%, 50%? And you'd probably still only buy it from an online retailer. They have no incentive either.

And not everybody wants to collect an army in installments. Frankly, to me that's a pain. Nickle and dime yourself to death.

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Old Man Ultramarine — GMT

I get my stuff from my FLGS. So case closed in that area.

GW should offer a 10% discount as incentive to people to purchase. Otherwise, players will go elsewhere to get it.

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H.B.M.C. — GMT

[quote=Sarge]So how much of a discount do you guys want before you'll buy it? 10%, 20%, 50%? And you'd probably still only buy it from an online retailer. They have no incentive either.[/quote]

Yes... we're so bad for wanting to pay less money... I think... umm... I'm failing to see the logic behind your argument here. Is there any?

[quote=Sarge]And not everybody wants to collect an army in installments. Frankly, to me that's a pain. Nickle and dime yourself to death.[/quote]

Umm... [i]what[/i]?

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BrotherStynier — GMT

I don't think you are supposed to understand it HBMC.

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Battle Foam — GMT

I just wanted to add that anyone stupid enough to buy this from GW can always call us next to fit the whole mess in a brand new P.A.C.K. 1520. You would still have room for some landraiders and rhinos. LOL

Just a shameless plug.

But really who would buy this??????

It makes no sense.

It's like saying I'll will not buy those pair of shoes for $50.00 but I'll buy 2 pair for $100.00.

GW has totally lost their minds. It just goes to show what kind of grip they have on all of us. Any company dumb enough to put something like this out in any other industry would go bankrupt in months. GW just keeps on ticking.

Oh well, off to my local game store to pick up my 3rd idiotic Bastion that I'll use 3 times this year for 3 whole games of planet strike.

Go GW!!!! :(

Romeo
Battle Foam

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garret — GMT

[quote=LunaHound]

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The sad thing is lunahound i can see this actually happening .

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Lagduf — GMT

[quote=H.B.M.C.][quote=Sarge]So how much of a discount do you guys want before you'll buy it? 10%, 20%, 50%? And you'd probably still only buy it from an online retailer. They have no incentive either.[/quote]

Yes... we're so bad for wanting to pay less money... I think... umm... I'm failing to see the logic behind your argument here. Is there any?

[quote=Sarge]And not everybody wants to collect an army in installments. Frankly, to me that's a pain. Nickle and dime yourself to death.[/quote]

Umm... [i]what[/i]?[/quote]

LOL

I think someone is bad at humor or simply has no idea what the idiom "nickel and dime" means.

I'm guessing the latter.

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Delephont — GMT

Well, either H.B.M.C is bad at "humour"....or (more likely) the joke just wasn't funny.

Back on point. I wonder if second tier retailers will even stock this item, my guess is, places like Maelstrom, etc won't even but it in (unless some mug actually requests it)

I can see this set being a complete flop. In addition, I had a look at the Planet Strike game on GW website, and their advertising blurb....and its probably just me, but what a pointless game.....I mean, it adds nothing to the current WH40K experience.....Isn't every game of WH40K a "Planet Strike" anyway?!? It seems to me that this game simply changes a few of the main mechanics of the game, but once the attacking force has landed, doesn't it then just degenerate back to a standard WH40K game??

Apocolypse I could understand, but this.....leaves me confused!

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Breotan — GMT

With the exception of the drop pods, I can already field this army. Wish there was a cop around to tell me, "Move along. Nothing to see here."

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nickt2245 — GMT

The best route to go is Combat Squad Dev Squad that gives you what you need! I think????

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Hollismason — GMT

[quote=Old Man Ultramarine]This force is very good for a Planetstrike game.

Planetstrike Rules say any unit that has the deepstrike rule in their unit profile CAN assault the turn they come in.

Now GW makes these cool looking packages and then FAILS to offer any reason to buy it. Dummies!

On side note....I got my Bastions and Landing Pads the other day. I'm impressed.[/quote]

It specifically rules out units in Drop Pods being able to assault.

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Grey Knight Luke — GMT

Maybe GW is selling this so that they can redo their website and save everybody time!!

Once again this seems typical GW practice. 2 years ago I could buy Land Raider Crusaders for $50.00 (US). Now, after the economy has fallen I can buy one for 57.00.

GW... make things cheaper???? At GW, they probably thought keeping the price the same was such a nice thing.

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avantgarde — GMT

The thing is if the box doesn't sell at all or very well, GW doesn't lose any money. They're charging full retail, so they have nothing to lose. Generally only hardcore gamers with more money than sense buy giant boxes like these. The FW Manta and Deathwing box were both like this and only the people I ever saw buying those were the hardcore.

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Hordini — GMT

[quote=Unix]Think about it to buy everything separately you would have to go to 8 different product pages, figure out how many of each you need to order and then put in the right amount to order for each product. That's far too complicated and involved, especially for a hobby as easy and not time consuming as this one.[/quote]

Yeah, all you guys are just being ungrateful. You should be [i]thankful[/i] that GW is offering you this [i]great deal[/i] all in one box! It's the convenience factor guys, [i]seriously![/i]. Personally I am thankful to GW [i]every day[/i] because they are trying to make things more convenient for [i]us![/i]

Personally, this is such a convenient package deal, I wouldn't mind paying 10% [i]more[/i] just because it's so [i]convenient![/i] You're just lucky that GW provides this convenient deal [i]at no extra charge![/i]

That's what I love about GW. They throw in extra convenience [i]for free![/i]

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EzeKK — GMT

This does have to be the dumbest idea they have ever came up with. I think the only real people that will buy it will be ritch and dumb people coming straight into the hobby.

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LunaHound — GMT

[quote=EzeKK]This does have to be the dumbest idea they have ever came up with. I think the only real people that will buy it will be ritch and dumb people coming straight into the hobby. [/quote]

Which seems to be the cool trend GW is going by the past few years now.
Constantly ignoring game vet's wants to lure in new players.

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Her Majesty's Buxom Commissar — GMT

[quote=EzeKK]This does have to be the dumbest idea they have ever came up with. I think the only real people that will buy it will be ritch and dumb people coming straight into the hobby. [/quote]
Might want to proofread your post there champ before you go accusing other people of being dumb.

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Lagduf — GMT

[quote=Delephont]Well, either H.B.M.C is bad at "humour"....or (more likely) the joke just wasn't funny.

Back on point. I wonder if second tier retailers will even stock this item, my guess is, places like Maelstrom, etc won't even but it in (unless some mug actually requests it)

I can see this set being a complete flop. In addition, I had a look at the Planet Strike game on GW website, and their advertising blurb....and its probably just me, but what a pointless game.....I mean, it adds nothing to the current WH40K experience.....Isn't every game of WH40K a "Planet Strike" anyway?!? It seems to me that this game simply changes a few of the main mechanics of the game, but once the attacking force has landed, doesn't it then just degenerate back to a standard WH40K game??

Apocolypse I could understand, but this.....leaves me confused![/quote]

Uh, no - go buy or borrow the Planetstrike book and read the missions and strategems. I think it's going to be really fun.

Planetstrike isn't "attacker deep strikes" and then normal 40K objectives. I think the tone of the game will be quite different.

I'm really getting the whole attacker vs defender vibe from the book and the missions as opposed to regular 40k which is simply nothing more than a pitched battle between equivalent forces on fairly non-advantageous terrain.

[quote=Hordini][quote=Unix]Think about it to buy everything separately you would have to go to 8 different product pages, figure out how many of each you need to order and then put in the right amount to order for each product. That's far too complicated and involved, especially for a hobby as easy and not time consuming as this one.[/quote]

Yeah, all you guys are just being ungrateful. You should be [i]thankful[/i] that GW is offering you this [i]great deal[/i] all in one box! It's the convenience factor guys, [i]seriously![/i]. Personally I am thankful to GW [i]every day[/i] because they are trying to make things more convenient for [i]us![/i]

Personally, this is such a convenient package deal, I wouldn't mind paying 10% [i]more[/i] just because it's so [i]convenient![/i] You're just lucky that GW provides this convenient deal [i]at no extra charge![/i]

That's what I love about GW. They throw in extra convenience [i]for free![/i][/quote]

LOL.

Hordini wins the thread!

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H.B.M.C. — GMT

[quote=Lagduf]I'm really getting the whole attacker vs defender vibe from the book...[/quote]

Really? What gave it away?

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Wolfstan — GMT

[quote=Hollismason]Anyone who buys that is a retard and has to much money.[/quote]

... yep but they know that there are enough fanboyz out there who would. Interestingly, whilst at Battlegroup South this weekend, the general response to GW and their prices was to laugh and say no thank you. The gamers like their stuff, but are basically saying that enough is enough and they won't be buying much more. The whole cost based on what type of unit it is really gets their goat. I know that Simple Miniatures didn't really shift much GW stuff and that MCS Miniatures PP stuff was selling really well.

I realise it's been said on other posts, but traditional gamers know that although PP models may cost the same or a bit more than GW's, they don't need so many to play a good size game.

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Orlanth — GMT

[quote=H.B.M.C.]

I'm going to go right ahead and assume that this is an attempt at ironic humour, right?

Otherwise (or regardless, really), I'll repeat myself:

Do not buy this bundle from GW. Buy it [color=orange][b]at all[/b][/color].[/quote]

And I have to fix your post again.

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covenant84 — GMT

Ahhhhhh, I think you may have missed a vital point to this waste of money....
maybe GW has a pile load of models they were trying to flog earlier in time, but didn't and have re-packaged them with other more wanted models to shift a few. As has been said it looks cool and they may only be relying on the 'kids' on the whole to buy enough of these crazy deals to shift some of their excess - simple waste management. I'm guessing drop pods myself, or possibly tactical squads with a few assult marine frames thrown on top to vary the set a little. They won't have done it for no reaswon, even GW aren't that but I do think it's an awful set and hope not too many Little Timmys are dissapointed on their birthdays. I'm surprised they haven't slapped an extra £20 on and supply it with plastic glue, flipper and sand as an 'added bonus'. Sort of crazy thing they'd try.

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Necros — GMT

I think it's a cool deal for the collector type who may want to build their own army and have lots of different units to play lots of different lists with. For me personally this is how I'd want my army to be, all drop pods. However, the fact that there's no savings is just stupid, especially when they did those apocalypse sets. If they knocked the price to say $850 or so, they'd sell a lot more. But for me, if I was gonna drop that much cash on GW stuff, I'd buy a FW Reaver

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slice of toast — GMT

I agree with Necros, I would love to get an army that plays like this one probably does.

However, with no savings involved, I wouldn't even bother. This sort of selling defies basic economic principles of bulk purchasing. The only way I'd consider this was if I already had gotten a bunch of cheap Rhinos somewhere and a friend and I split the package down the center, or if I was just dying to put together two armies of different color SMs.

[quote=Sarge]

And not everybody wants to collect an army in installments. Frankly, to me that's a pain. Nickle and dime yourself to death.[/quote]

How many people end up selling extra stuff they bought for full price at a loss on the second-hand market because they had more models than they knew what to do with? I mean, I've seen quite a fair number of people here just on Dakka selling off unpainted/unassembled/NIB! models to pay for rent and other non-disposable income activities. I would rather nickel and dime it because I assume less risk by buying piece by piece, even if the monetary cost many be a tad higher. In the long run, it doesn't really matter to me, the flexibility is worth the $XX I save.

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Defiler — GMT

Unix - lolz. Thanks for pointing out who doesn't have a sense of humor.

"Unless this is some form of ironic human based humor, I fail to see your point! Let me adjust my emotion chip and try to comprehend again"

And guys of course this isn't a deal. It's obviously an attempt to prey on the background/fluff [i]heavy[/i] gentlemen of this hobby.

Emphasis mine.

I personally cannot fathom why GWS would introduce such a bloated boxed set, especially right now of all times - but I'm sure it doesn't cost anything to promote it right? I'm sure every time someone orders the spear, they simply send a temp into the warehouse to rip apart the proper number of drop pod boxes and throw them into a much larger box with tacs and terminators.

I can't see them actually having product boxed up before someone orders it, because I only see this set selling twice before being pulled from the website.

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Grey Knight Luke — GMT

it would be great if on the website they had a counter for how many people had bought the item....

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daggitkiller — GMT

Earlier today this was listed as out of stock.

I have collected very close to this army with FW dread pods for three dreads, 20 more terminators, 25 more scouts, complete Vanguard and Sternguard units of 10, extra captains and 10 regular drop pods. I've bits ordered a lot of accent pieces, specific heads and weapons etc... I have only two assault squads but two full devestator squads with extra weapon options. It's taken me a year of trades, two boxes of AOBR conversions (only keeping 10 of the tactical marines as I like to convert and pose) and a good deal of Ebay, Warstore and FLGS. My total so far is just over 800 U.S. across the year and I've built it all as I went along.

I'm in no position to call anyone stupid or retarded after that, but if that army seems appealing to you (and in the games I've played, I've had a great time) I personally recommed helping out a local store if you're planning to pay full price. I worked for GW awhile ago and tried desperately to encourage deals on boxed sets. Glad they're finally doing it on some, but baffled by the absense of [i]any[/i] deal on a set like this. I've always been a bit of a fanboy, I'll admit, but I now strongly encourage a mix of internet deals, FLGS, and ebay. The only thing I've bought from a GW store was the mark 2 vets for my sergeants as they were available nowhere else.

I guess I'm just a bit stunned that this set is $1066 and was possibly sold out this morning.

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Her Majesty's Buxom Commissar — GMT

[quote=daggitkiller]I guess I'm just a bit stunned that this set is $1066 and was possibly sold out this morning. [/quote]
It was saying "Out of Stock" since (before) it went live on the site. It's only changed to in stock in the last 24 hours.

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Necros — GMT

[quote=Defiler]Unix - lolz. Thanks for pointing out who doesn't have a sense of humor.

"Unless this is some form of ironic human based humor, I fail to see your point! Let me adjust my emotion chip and try to comprehend again"

And guys of course this isn't a deal. It's obviously an attempt to prey on the background/fluff [i]heavy[/i] gentlemen of this hobby.

Emphasis mine.

I personally cannot fathom why GWS would introduce such a bloated boxed set, especially right now of all times - but I'm sure it doesn't cost anything to promote it right? I'm sure every time someone orders the spear, they simply send a temp into the warehouse to rip apart the proper number of drop pod boxes and throw them into a much larger box with tacs and terminators.

I can't see them actually having product boxed up before someone orders it, because I only see this set selling twice before being pulled from the website.
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I doubt it comes in a separate special box. I ordered an apocalypse set of 3 fexes for 2, and I just got 3 regular carnifex boxes, no special packaging. So, they probably don't even go to the trouble of having someone unbox it all and just grab whatever they need off the shelf.

However, I do think it will sell more than twice. There's plenty of nerds out there with more money than all of us combined, maybe they don't take the time to figure out the prices separately and think it's a deal when it really isn't. I'm sure they'll sell a bunch of these sets. It won't sell like hotcakes, but still.

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Grey Knight Luke — GMT

does anyone want to split this with me??? for the price of shipping I am saving a bundle!!! (bad joke I know)

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Cheif Librarian Vaako — GMT

I might look into this but i won't use half off it unless i ally.

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Zarahemna — GMT

We at [url=http://www.bunker5.com/shop]Bunker 5[/url] run this bundle for £475 which is $806 USD and that's including glue and a citadel paint set thrown in for laughs.

I don't think that's too bad a deal, delivery is free and since it all comes in the original plastic you can change one item for another, in fact if you wanted to customise we might be able to help you out, for example if you wanted to switch Rhinos for the Drop Pods.

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H.B.M.C. — GMT

[quote=Zarahemna]...delivery is free...[/quote]

Worldwide?

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Sarge — GMT

Man, I need troll like that more often. Yes it's a silly box.

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The Grundel — GMT

Wow. Great job GW. This is ridiculous. Games workshop needs to get their act together stuff like that is a waste of time. They could have been updating codexs or models and instead they waste their time with stupid stuff. They could have just used the picture for something why make it a $1066 armydeal? GW needs to chill out with the price increases and focus on the game. They won't get a US government bailout if they start going belly up.

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Zarahemna — GMT

Yes Worldwide.

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BrookM — GMT

[quote=The Grundel]Wow. Great job GW. This is ridiculous. Games workshop needs to get their act together stuff like that is a waste of time. They could have been updating codexs or models and instead they waste their time with stupid stuff. They could have just used the picture for something why make it a $1066 armydeal? GW needs to chill out with the price increases and focus on the game. They won't get a US government bailout if they start going belly up.[/quote]GW is British..

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Ravenous D — GMT

Thanks for the deal, Ass****s

You'd figure buying $1300 worth of crap would mean you get a deal, I guess this one is just for their own crack head employees with their discount.

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Hordini — GMT

[quote=BrookM][quote=The Grundel]Wow. Great job GW. This is ridiculous. Games workshop needs to get their act together stuff like that is a waste of time. They could have been updating codexs or models and instead they waste their time with stupid stuff. They could have just used the picture for something why make it a $1066 armydeal? GW needs to chill out with the price increases and focus on the game. They won't get a US government bailout if they start going belly up.[/quote]GW is British..[/quote]

So they're [i]definitely[/i] not getting a bailout then!

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The Power Cosmic — GMT

Yeah, take that ya stinkin' redcoats!

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Scott-S6 — GMT

Why is everyone complaining about this? It's taken no time and cost nothing to offer this package beyond taking the photo.

What it does do is create a bit of excitement and give people something to aspire to (the kiddies in particular).

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UltraPrime — GMT

Some people take things way too seriously.

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BrookM — GMT

Sometimes I think that they are all Dutchmen, who must have something to complain about, regardless of whether it is of interest or not.

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Ritz — GMT

Paying $1000 for plastic toys? My parents and\or girlfriend would lynch me...

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Necros — GMT

[quote=Ritz]Paying $1000 for plastic toys? My parents and\or girlfriend would lynch me... [/quote]

10 years from now when you have 8 different armies you'll forget you ever said that

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rubiksnoob — GMT

It looks cool but I'm just not willing to drop 1000+ dollars for a bunch of plastic toy soldiers. In small increments over a long period of time sure. But not all at once.

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olympia — GMT

No discount eh? GW isn't even trying anymore. In the current economic climate one can only marvel at such complacency.

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$1066--the Norman invasion. So Sicarius is William the Bastard? Maybe that is what GW is thinking

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nik — GMT

Ha! Now I know! This will be an extremely rare box to have - since nearly no one will buy it - it will become an extremely expensive GW collectors item!

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Captain Vyper — GMT

Back in the end of rogue trader and the start of second edition, if you had a company of marines it was really impressive as well as just plain loony! You would never use it all at once and no one ever needed that many tac squads either. It was neat and cool if you were that into your chapter and had them all painted up but that was about it.

Even now there isnt much call for it save for Apoc games. And even then really? Sure we all (those of us with way more GW crap than we ever need, I am so guilty) have all the options to choose from in building the army, but this is usually the result of years of collecting and painting. This buy a whole company of crap at once and rarely if even use it all in a game for the sake of buing a company is just plain silly.

The no price break is just the cherry on top of the kick in the nuts GW seems to continueally give out to those of us have havnt yet stopped buying their product.

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sonofruss — GMT

[quote=Ritz]Paying $1000 for plastic toys? My parents and\or girlfriend would lynch me... [/quote]

[quote=Necros][quote=Ritz]Paying $1000 for plastic toys? My parents and\or girlfriend would lynch me... [/quote]

10 years from now when you have 8 different armies you'll forget you ever said that [/quote]

True dat bro I an into it for $10k and counting.

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nik — GMT

I asked about the pricing from GW's customer service; they said:
[i]Hello,
While we cannot know for sure why there is no discount on this 'set', we
would guess it is keep individuals from purchasing it and selling the
individual items on ebay (which we've had problems with in the past).

Thanks![/i]

So they want to avoid individuals becoming "businesses" by reselling the individual models.

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BrookM — GMT

That's something I can understand.

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Mattlov — GMT

[quote=BrookM]That's something I can understand.[/quote]

Ha! Very funny GW. "To discourage online discounting." Sure.

They don't want to sell this so someone for $900 (a discount) then that person turn around and parts it out for more money.

So the GW solution is sell it at no discount so everyone just buys from a discount retailer instead.

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Hordini — GMT

And it's also why barely anyone will actually buy this set.

I'm not sure what the big problem is with actually selling a lot of stuff for a bit of a discount and having people hawking stuff on eBay, as opposed to not selling much of anything because there is no discount.

I guess they sure showed those eBay sellers, though!

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Uriels_Flame — GMT

I think what they meant to say is you get the "pictured" army for that price - painted and assembled

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ph34r — GMT

I'm gonna buy this set and re-sell it on ebay at a discount just to show GW up!

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Kirasu — GMT

I dont get it really..

Now I dont know the exact numbers for GWs profit from other retailers so Im assuming its around a 50% discount

If GW sells Model X on its website it gets 100% profit
If GW sells model X to a retail store it gets 50% profit

If GW sells Model X on its website at a 20% discount it gets 80% profit

and if GW sells model X at a 20% discount to a retailer who already gets a 50% discount then it gets 40% profit

So.. how I understand this is that GW would prefer NOT to discount this item to individuals so that they can keep a 100% profit.. instead of 80%. Therefore, GW should stop selling any items to retailers because its only a 50% profit..

I dont understand GWs logic on not providing a bulk discount.. Its not like plastic or pewter is a limited resource that they have to ration

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Grey Knight Luke — GMT

Its true!!! we are on a pewter and Plastic shortage!!! GW is going to ask us to turn in our keyboard keys so they can make Imperial guard models for us.

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Ravenous D — GMT

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Kronus VI — GMT

But... the pretty box

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inzeos — GMT

[quote=Kronus VI]But... the pretty box [/quote]

There is no pretty box =/

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Noble713 — GMT

[quote=nik]I asked about the pricing from GW's customer service; they said:
[i]Hello,
While we cannot know for sure why there is no discount on this 'set', we
would guess it is keep individuals from purchasing it and selling the
individual items on ebay (which we've had problems with in the past).

Thanks![/i]

So they want to avoid individuals becoming "businesses" by reselling the individual models.[/quote]

I really don't understand GW's hatred of the secondary market. I mean, have you ever seen a car dealership say "I know you want both the Shelby GT500 and the Ford F-650, but corporate HQ says we can't give you a package deal/discount because they're concerned about you putting them on Ebay Motors." Maybe if GW products were cheaper (or we all weren't such crack-fiends for their stuff) people wouldn't be stepping over the corpses of their dead mothers to get 10% off.

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Kirasu — GMT

Yet a normal retailer is a secondary market by its very nature.. GW doesnt get all the profit

Its all very absurd and I blame the british

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cadbren — GMT

A couple of things, if it's the Spear of Sicarius then why does it require 1/4 of the first company as well?
Why no devastator squads or at least the new siege dred?
Where is the company chaplain?
How are the dreds able to get out of a pod designed for marines, would this not be a good time to have brought out a plastic dred pod or even bundled two FW ones into the deal and only 7 plastic pods?

Are they so cheap that they can't even field all the real models for the "photo"? Take a close look and you'll see that some of the squads are duplicates of each other and the pods too no doubt.

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LunaHound — GMT

[quote=cadbren]A couple of things, if it's the Spear of Sicarius then why does it require 1/4 of the first company as well?
Why no devastator squads or at least the new siege dred?
Where is the company chaplain?
How are the dreds able to get out of a pod designed for marines, would this not be a good time to have brought out a plastic dred pod or even bundled two FW ones into the deal and only 7 plastic pods?

Are they so cheap that they can't even field all the real models for the "photo"? Take a close look and you'll see that some of the squads are duplicates of each other and the pods too no doubt.[/quote]

Because GW doesnt want to tell you , the Spear of Sicarius is nothing other than trying to sell the over stocked left overs that no one have bought
since AOBR came out.

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cadbren — GMT

Now there's a believable explanation.

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spartanghost — GMT

off topic, but luna, i gotta say i love that picture your have in your sig. FFX is awesome, and that scene in particulkar is one of the better ones i've seen in a video game.

on topic: I wonder if whomever is in charge of GW even thinks about anything they do. Maybe they realise they've got us all hooked and are just messin' with us for the fun of it.

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Ravenous D — GMT

[quote=Noble713][quote=nik]I asked about the pricing from GW's customer service; they said:
[i]Hello,
While we cannot know for sure why there is no discount on this 'set', we
would guess it is keep individuals from purchasing it and selling the
individual items on ebay (which we've had problems with in the past).

Thanks![/i]

So they want to avoid individuals becoming "businesses" by reselling the individual models.[/quote]

I really don't understand GW's hatred of the secondary market. I mean, have you ever seen a car dealership say "I know you want both the Shelby GT500 and the Ford F-650, but corporate HQ says we can't give you a package deal/discount because they're concerned about you putting them on Ebay Motors." Maybe if GW products were cheaper (or we all weren't such crack-fiends for their stuff) people wouldn't be stepping over the corpses of their dead mothers to get 10% off.[/quote]

I was talking about this last night and came to a logical conclusion.

GW marks up their product by a good 500%+ so when a retailer or employee buys it they are still making much more then they paid for. A box like this if discounted will only serve to make GW lose money becayse people we just get even more of a discount from online shops, so if they sell it at the exact value they will still sell them through employees and retailers and make just as much money off of it and if they manage to sell one at its price then its all gravy.

GW stopped giving you deals because they know the smart person will just seek out how to get that further discounted. Although oddly enough they have those terrian deals on their website so that is a little A.D.D. on their part.

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statu — GMT

if u do buy this, don't they ship to ur local GW for free anyway

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puree — GMT

[quote=Kirasu]I dont get it really..

Now I dont know the exact numbers for GWs profit from other retailers so Im assuming its around a 50% discount

If GW sells Model X on its website it gets 100% profit
If GW sells model X to a retail store it gets 50% profit

If GW sells Model X on its website at a 20% discount it gets 80% profit

and if GW sells model X at a 20% discount to a retailer who already gets a 50% discount then it gets 40% profit

So.. how I understand this is that GW would prefer NOT to discount this item to individuals so that they can keep a 100% profit.. instead of 80%. Therefore, GW should stop selling any items to retailers because its only a 50% profit..

I dont understand GWs logic on not providing a bulk discount.. Its not like plastic or pewter is a limited resource that they have to ration[/quote]

I think that is being very simplistic. Discounting can have a much larger direct effect on profit.

Take a hypothetical product X

price 100, cost 50, profit 50

now discount by 20%

price 80, cost 50 profit 30.

So a 20% discount resulted in a 40% loss of profit, not 20%.

Whilst I don't know the figures and profit margins of GW stuff, there is an interesting read here [url]http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/roarseconomics.html[/url] on the possible net profit on landraiders. I dare say there is a lot of innacuracy in that, but taking that as an example.

Price $55 - net profit $6

discount 20% = price $44 = loss of $5.

A 20% discount on those figures would equate to bankruptcy.

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Kirasu — GMT

Yeah I know it was simplistic .. and good article!

What I got from that is I need to make friends with a wholesaler... Either way, that boxset should be discounted just like every other boxset