http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/31.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net I've been into 40k since 1st Ed, and I'm wondering how the Tyranids currently fit in with the rest of the 'evil' races in the galaxy?
Most of the stories, fluff, art etc depict the desperate struggle of humans, eldar, tau and orks to survive the onslaught of the nids, which makes sense. However surely chaos, necrons and even dark eldar have a lot to lose if nids succeed in wiping out these other races (and they are not themselves wiped out), as they will have no races to enslave/worship them or consume souls from. For example; if chaos has no worshippers do the gods become dormant, destroyed or what?
Now obviously nids do fight with these 'evil' races, it just seems to me its never really covered in the fluff and the conflicting enslavement vs consumption of the galaxy goals don't sit neatly together either.
Also I dont really see how nids could ever truely defeat chaos, they can just run back to the eye of terror, or necrons, as they are undead robots and powerful gods.
Anyway in short I dont see much story on the 'evil' races reaction to the tyranid threat, and wondered what u guys take was on it.
Cheers!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295016.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295016.page GMT
The main difference is that both the evil and good armies suffer losses from a nid attack but only the good side is damaged by the disruption of a Tyrannid attack. It tyranids attack the imperium they have nowhere to hide and they have rebelions on all the nearby planets. If DE are attacked a lot of them die but the others don't care.

The reason GW shows nids fighting the armies fighting to bring order is because a large effect of a tyranid invasion is destabilisation of the entire area.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295031.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295031.page GMT de having no worshippers / soul food if all the other races are wiped out?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295046.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295046.page GMT DE could be in trouble, if nids cannot be consumed (or eat everything then go again) then they lose their major source of soul stuff. Sure, they can still take from those chaos worshippers lurking around but no where near enough. And considering that their own souls are slowly leeched they'd be living on borrowed time. I could see in such circumstances the harlequins negotiating some sort of treaty where the craftworlds moved into the webway and made their own homes, which the dark eldar were not allowed to raid; in exchange, the dark eldar get what they need to make modified soulstones of their own. Eventually the two cultures would probably re-merge out of sheer necessity with neither group particularly liking it.

Other option would be most of the craftworlders getting wiped out leaving the DE dying a soul and painful death. And then a worse afterlife given what happens when they are consumed by She Who Thirsts. There have been a few scant hints in fluff that some DE have considered turning to other chaos gods seeking protection from the gradual draining. I could see more doing this out of desperation. Could be interesting how that would end up. DE may loathe chaos but their species at least seems able to fall, given that Ahra did.

Final option being of course that they die.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295132.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295132.page GMT
Chaos would be fine because I don't think tyranids would ever intentionaly enter the eye of terror so they could have 100s of followers hidden inside.

Necrons I think, depending on how many of them there really, are could be the ones attacking the nids. Many nid weapons (such as the way they block of the warp) don't work on necrons.

Plus while the nids attack everyone else the necrons have time to finally work on their plan to cut off the warp from the real dimensions. If they suceed the nids are finished. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295175.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295175.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295177.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295310.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1295310.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1296687.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1296687.page GMT

It is a very humorous entry, at that.

Personally, I think it doesn't matter one way or the other to the Necrons, the Nids are just life force to be harvested. To the Nids however, they gain absolutely NOTHING from the Necrons, as they have no usable bio-mass.

I wouldn't really call Nids Evil per-say, they're just a base instinct.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1296735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1296735.page GMT

Pg 45 of the old nid codex:
". . .The gods will not be denied their prize" - Xerxeth, Sorceror of the Black Legion.

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Pg 45 of the old nid codex:
". . .The gods will not be denied their prize" - Xerxeth, Sorceror of the Black Legion.

Edit: wrong emoticon[/quote]
Spoiled kid. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1296840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1296840.page GMT lol they are the basic primal urge hunger nothing more nothing less neither good nor evil not seeking gains lands or followers just delicious tasty biomass....


Nom for the Nom God!

Snack for the Snack King!

Eats for the Eats Throne!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1296919.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1296919.page GMT
The tau incident in the new nid dex is hilarious. I love them but come on- stupid tau.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1297555.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1297555.page GMT
although the cows certainly think we are the devil incarnate.

Tyranids dont think like we do. They are creatures of pure need and response.

I would also argue that Necron are most certainly "evil" as they are bitter and twisted due to their past live being riddled with short painful cancers and so forth, and their jealousy of all longer lived races...that is why they made their "pact" with the Ctan. The Ctan could probably be placed on a par with the Tyranids, since they think of everyone as food as well. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1297608.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1297608.page GMT
Necrons and Tyranids are evil, because they are driven by a force that desires to consume and destroy all there is.


As far as the other races reaction to Tyranids, they will all eventually have to react to the threat in one way or another. The new dex pretty much spells that out.

Orks want a good fight,

The C'Tan need food, and the Tyranids might be a bountiful harvest if the Tyranid beasts have at least some impact on the warp.

The Dark Eldar cannot afford to loose their supply, but can't afford to confront the Tyranids either. There is nothing in the fluff that says the Tyranids don't have the capability to access the webway, though you know the Eldar are doing everything they can to ensure that doesn't happen.

Chaos will have to confront the Tyranids eventually. The Chaos gods very existence is defined by the emotions of men and other sentient creatures. If they no longer exist, do the gods still exist? I know that the Warp is a relm without time, but the loss of all of the rage, greed, lies, and decay of mortals has to have some effect on them. Not to mention the fact that the Hive Mind might be a Warp Entitiy itself, and you have a ligament threat to Chaos.


Tyranids are the ultimate "big bad" of the 40k universe. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1297626.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1297626.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1297634.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1297634.page GMT
although the cows certainly think we are the devil incarnate.

Tyranids dont think like we do. They are creatures of pure need and response. [/quote]

I disagree with this.

Humans eating meat is part of a sustainable ecosystem. We can get carried away for sure, but at the end of the day it is in our best interest to keep the species that give us our meat around.

Tyranids are set to consume all that there is, leaving nothing but barren planets in it's wake. That may be the universes version of a forest fire, but they are not here to set up a sustainable ecosystem with us as food, they are here to wipe the slate clean. Their actions to us are evil.


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[quote=Morgrim]I'm not sure humans can get into the webway without being guided by an eldar, in which case tyrannids probably couldn't get in either.[/quote]


We are not adaptable without Technology. And Humans at that time does not develop new technologies, the Emperor almost did it, but he "died" before he could complete that. If the humans of the 41st millenia could actually develop new technologies, it could be done.

Tyranids are highly adaptable, it isn't to far of a stretch to imagine that they the Hive Mind hasn't been working on a way to access it. The only thing that is probably keeping them at bay is the Farseers and any preemptive strikes they do to block that. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1297636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1297636.page GMT DE would be forced into the fight against nids just to preserve their own source of worship / souls etc. Will be interesting to see how GW play it out, especially with the line about the astronomican drawing them to terra.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298090.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298090.page GMT BRB of said conflict)

Apparently it was a real gakstorm, so when the SM charged with reclaiming it arrived and saw that hell hole, they said "Feth that!" and executed Exterminatus.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298182.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298182.page GMT BRB of said conflict)

Apparently it was a real gakstorm, so when the SM charged with reclaiming it arrived and saw that hell hole, they said "Feth that!" and executed Exterminatus.[/quote]

yeah I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that. They should of sent in the cannon fodder.... er i mean Imperial Guard!


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298197.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298197.page GMT IG were cuaght in the middle.

Not everyone has a battlebarge of their own to run away to, y'know. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298222.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298222.page GMT IG still on the planet?


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although the cows certainly think we are the devil incarnate.

Tyranids dont think like we do. They are creatures of pure need and response. [/quote]

I disagree with this.

Humans eating meat is part of a sustainable ecosystem. We can get carried away for sure, but at the end of the day it is in our best interest to keep the species that give us our meat around.

Tyranids are set to consume all that there is, leaving nothing but barren planets in it's wake. [b]That may be the universes version of a forest fire, but they are not here to set up a sustainable ecosystem with us as food, they are here to wipe the slate clean[/b]. Their actions to us are evil.

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Heh, tell that to Locusts. Tyranids have a fully sustainable ecosystem within their own "culture". They would have to, crossing intergalactic voids with no food. So Ecosystem sustainability is a moot point to them.

I argue that Tyranids are not evil purely from the point of view that they are doing what they are designed to do. Are guns evil? no. The person who pulls the trigger is? Is a Lion or Tiger evil? it sure as hell is if I'm the one being eaten. Its a matter of perpective. Technically, even Chaos and Daemons have their own goals and dreams of achievement, unfortunately its over your dead body. Are they evil? sure, from your point of view. theirs? Well, they see it as their rightful duty to rule over mankind. In fact, in their opinion, mankind NEEDS them!

Its all point of view...I can certainly see why Tyranids are grouped with the EVIL camp...i sure wouldnt want em showing up on my doorstep. but I dont really view them AS deliberately evil...I actually think its more horrifying to think that they "just arent capable of good, honest HUMAN Hatred!" ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298286.page GMT
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You could argue that a Tyranid is not capable of evil, becuase it is not capable of having morals. Certainly it did not choose it's nature like Chaos or Dark Eldar. However, it is not good either. Tricky question. I would view the Nids as I would a rabid pack of wolves. Not evil maybe, not by thier own design, but certainly a threat that must be dealt with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298313.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298313.page GMT
although the cows certainly think we are the devil incarnate.

Tyranids dont think like we do. They are creatures of pure need and response.[/quote]


I disagree with this.

Humans eating meat is part of a sustainable ecosystem. We can get carried away for sure, but at the end of the day it is in our best interest to keep the species that give us our meat around.

Tyranids are set to consume all that there is, leaving nothing but barren planets in it's wake. That may be the universes version of a forest fire, but they are not here to set up a sustainable ecosystem with us as food, they are here to wipe the slate clean. Their actions to us are evil. [/quote]

Almost all the evil groups are doing what the think is justified, whether you die in the process isn't too much of a concern. They understand the impact they are having by killing hundreds or thousands of people and they don't care. However so far we have no proof that the tyrannids have any idea of the consequences of their actions. In their opinion eating is all their is.

The same way a cat isn't evil for eating a bird. It may have done the wrong thing but it didn't choose to do it. Yes humans view tyranids as evil, but only because we naturaly try to see everything from the viewpoint of a human. The differnce is nids are entirely alien and cannot be empathised with. They think like an animal and don't have any morals because they only think of themselves and can't think for the future or consider the past. Even the hive mind works purley on instinct.

So yes nids are bad, but in the same way a flood or a pack of wolves are bad. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298343.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298343.page GMT

You could argue that a Tyranid is not capable of evil, becuase it is not capable of having morals. Certainly it did not choose it's nature like Chaos or Dark Eldar. However, it is not good either. Tricky question. I would view the Nids as I would a rabid pack of wolves. Not evil maybe, not by thier own design, but certainly a threat that must be dealt with.[/quote]

What I am trying to say is that sustainability is not a factor for the Tyranid race. They are a mobile ecosystem all to themselves. They are not concerned with sustainability as nothing they ever do is truly lost. Even their dead is recycled...it is all an endless chain of molecules just assembled, dissassembled and reassembled continuously...they only non sustainable event in tyranid lifecycle is attempting to take a world...taking heavy casualties, then having the world subjected to cyclonic torpedoes...essentially burning all expended and potential nutrients away...that is the only time tyranids experience "ecosystem" losses....otherwise, all that happens to them and their 'culture' when they consume a world is addition to their exsisting resources, not a loss at all.

But a rabid animal analogy works well too ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298345.page GMT
Over time, they may visit every galaxy and eat every living thing. Then what? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298354.page GMT
In the overall scheme of things, I suspect the tyranids drive to consume worlds stems from their reproductive drive. They are like a cancer, and their only objective is to replicate itself. To the expense of everything else. Their reproductive method, where in some manner is similar to beings in this galaxy, pretty much can only happen through the absorbtion of new genetic material and organic resources...so their reproductive drive forces them to pounce on world after world, shaping new horrors out the genetic soup they render those worlds down into.

/shrug]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298381.page GMT

Personally, I think it doesn't matter one way or the other to the Necrons, the Nids are just life force to be harvested. To the Nids however, they gain absolutely NOTHING from the Necrons, as they have no usable bio-mass.

I wouldn't really call Nids Evil per-say, they're just a base instinct.[/quote]

i'm sure i remember reading some old fluff about how the nid's leech even the none organic materials they require from the planet as well leaving absolutly nothing but barren rock. after all everyone needs they're iron and when your're sporting a carapce exoskeleton that can withstand las-cannon shot's your're gonna need a hell of a lot of it. and don't the pariah's contain at least some organic components (given that they're derived from the imperial pariahs, with the same effects)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298702.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298702.page GMT

Personally, I think it doesn't matter one way or the other to the Necrons, the Nids are just life force to be harvested. To the Nids however, they gain absolutely NOTHING from the Necrons, as they have no usable bio-mass.

I wouldn't really call Nids Evil per-say, they're just a base instinct.[/quote]

i'm sure i remember reading some old fluff about how the nid's leech even the none organic materials they require from the planet as well leaving absolutly nothing but barren rock. after all everyone needs they're iron and when your're sporting a carapce exoskeleton that can withstand las-cannon shot's your're gonna need a hell of a lot of it. and don't the pariah's contain at least some organic components (given that they're derived from the imperial pariahs, with the same effects)[/quote]

I was always under the impression that they just drained all the bio-mass from a planet, and interpreted "rock" to be anything non organic. The Tyranids also avoid tomb worlds, and I figured that was because they have nothing to gain from them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298834.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298834.page GMT lol

that said i'm sure when food/souls/sentient beings start getting scarce the nids and necrons would start fighting over what was left, that'd be a fight worth seeing]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298869.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1298869.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1299168.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1299168.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1299496.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1299496.page GMT
Locusts are the closest thing in nature to the tyranids, but different. Locust swarms eventually burn themselves out and there is massive deaths that result in them consuming all of their food, however their food eventually returns and grows and the cycle begins again. We judge them dangerous because of the secondary reaction to us. They are not "evil" in our eyes, but they do pose a danger to us.

Tyranids leave nothing in it's path. The worlds they consume are lifeless. What kinda world do they leave behind? Can it replenish itself if all of the Bio mass is gone?

Think if it this way. In Lord of the Rings are Orcs evil? Do they represent a "type" of evil in the context of the story?

The thing I don't agree with is the idea that has prevailed in modern thinking that something is not evil because it has a different perspective then us humans.

"Evil" is ultimately a human concept. We set the rules for defining what is evil. So by that criteria, a force that would consume us to perpetuate an organism that only wishes the complete consumption of the Biomass of a whole galaxy. That is evil. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1306118.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1306118.page GMT
*lets cat out of bag*]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1306467.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1306467.page GMT Because so many troops are needed to stem the tide of tyranid bio-warriors, resisitance is not easily mustered.
The eldar are a race with a dwindling population so every loss is a grave one.

Most of the "evil" races are mostly war like and either have well defended borders, or places that they can seek sanctuary at. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1306830.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1306830.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1306927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1306927.page GMT DE have from such an exchange? They don't have anywhere near the resources required to confront a Hive Fleet and come out on top. Plus, how would they figure out where the Tyranids were? The Imperium pretty much has to watch for patterns of communications blackouts, the DE have no such system in place.

As for Necron versus Tyranids, I once again can't imagine them coming into contact with each other. Tyranids have no interest in dead tomb worlds, so...

Chaos versus Tyranids is I'd imagine mostly a combination of lack of proximity and scarcity of Chaos fleets combined with an inability to engage the Tyranids. The Tyranids never really get close to the Eye of Terror and its not like the galaxy is just full of marauding bands of CSM. In addition, how often do the Chaos forces have a large enough concentration of power to engage the Tyranids head on?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1307148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1307148.page GMT DE use tyranid gribblies as arena combatants? and the necrons will intervene if the nid's are getting in the way of a potential harvest]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1307201.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1307201.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1307429.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1307429.page GMT
and invited over for a bbq and beers]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1307655.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1307655.page GMT 40K's equivelant of the Andrex puppy. just imagine a bio titan running round with a roll of toilet roll from the golden throne]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1308176.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1308176.page GMT DE take smaller nids as creatures for the arena. Genestealers are particularly prized. How one finds some genestealers isn't explained though, I don't think 'we were razing a hiveworld and got lucky' is a viable explanation.

Maybe the Shadow has some interaction with webway portals? Not shutting them down but giving them a different feel or some sense that suggests there is something odd going on. Being colder or slightly different colour or smelling unusual.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1310547.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1310547.page GMT
Depending on its actual strength, it should be either a very persistent headache or an intergalactic lobotomy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1310636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1310636.page GMT They don`t want to kill us only enslave us and feed on us for the rest of time (a bit like we have done to cows) and in relation to the nids I have heard rumours that the Outsider, one of the C`tan for those that don`t know, is talking with the hive mind.

but it is only a rumour. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1310789.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1310789.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1314211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1314211.page GMT
*sniff sniff* who has bacon?

But anyway, I am of the opinion that the nids are evil because they came from another GALAXY to eat stuff. It's not like they're shopping for 10 trillion tons of foodstuffs and a pack of lho sticks. Right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1318721.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1318721.page GMT
It depends on their regard for those around them.

Eldar are good. They do not seek to destroy those around them.

Dark Eldar are evil. Not because of what they do, but because they have no regard for the peoples they destroy.

Tau are good. They fight out of necessity, but attempt peaceful negotiation first, proving that they would rather not do harm to others. Good doesn't have to mean non-violent, just that there is regard for other life.

Tyranids are evil. They seek to consume all life, with no regard for consequences. It may be their nature, but their nature is evil because they seek to overcome, making them evil as a whole.

Necrons are the same.

Orks are evil, out of illogic. If fighting wasn't so fun, they wouldn't destroy. Strangely enough, I think they respect other (humanoid) life more than humans do.

Which brings me to humans. Evil. Hands down. Regardless of their own intentions, their dogma and actions are to unthinkingly obliterate all other forms of life in a quest for dominance, just like orks.



]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1319249.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1319249.page GMT pc]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1319307.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1319307.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1319308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1319308.page GMT They can. The Golden Throne was originolly designed to create a webway path (kept free of deamons by the emperors will.

Tyranids: What regards do you have for a cheesburger? Tasty!
Necrons: Umm... they're robots. A gun is evil.
Dark Eldar: You were being retarded, someone puts a gun to your head and forces you to murder people so that you will live. If you do you are put through a place worse than HELL.
Humans: You mean the imperium of man is evil in the year 40k. It is not Evil, It is just not naive. You are surronded by lions, and 99% of them want to nom you. And They aren't completely Xenophobic, only Xenos Horriblis are truly sought to be completely destroyed utterly, and there all after your brains anyway.
Tau are Good! Of course. Because Communists are Win (/sarcasm)!
My Point Is there Is no Evil or Good in Warhammer 40k there is only War.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1336038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1336038.page GMT And the nids arnt evil. I would call them uncaring, all they want is food and to make more of them selves, that kinda makes them a twisted version of natures goals for any species. sorry for spelling its late.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1336380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1336380.page GMT They can. The Golden Throne was originolly designed to create a webway path (kept free of deamons by the emperors will.
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I hardly class the Emperor as a good example of humanity. It's slightly ambiguous where he is human at all; or at least, whether he should [i]still[/i] be classed as human, just as it can be firmly argued that the primachs were technically not human. Humans do not have their abilities and certainly don't grow to maturity in only five years.

I do not think an ordinary human could get into the webway unaided. [i]Maybe[/i] a powerful psyker who actually knew what they were doing. The Emperor firmly fits into that category.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1345769.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1345769.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1363123.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1363123.page GMT You mean they can kill someone in a way that [i]doesn't[/i] result in death?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1363247.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276696/1363247.page GMT