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My question is, would the wizard still then benefit from missile shots being randomized between the cannon and the lone wizard?
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The rules don't specify what happens if only a character lives.

It does say that the character joins the war machine the same way he joins a unit, and as long as 1 model remains, the unit remains, so as long as the war machine is up you would still randomize hits.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1298764.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1298764.page GMT I don’t have it handy, but in the empire book in the entry on master engineers, I’m pretty sure it says that he’s smart enough to stay away unless he was acting as crew for purposes of reloading and firing the weapon (i.e. if only one regular crewman was left, which a wizard can't do anyway). If he’s just lending it his ballistic skill, or if he’s merely part of the unit (as when he fires his personal weapon, if any) he survives the destruction of the machine and becomes a lone model.

However, he’s still part of the crew for purposes of shooting, magic missiles, unit-hitting spells like Chill Wind, etc. That’s the only precedent I can come up with.
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Having been so spectacularly wrong, I shall now withdraw from this thread and go cry in a corner.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1314353.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1314353.page GMT
The only use of an engineer is using his BS on war machines(or his reroll whatnot for scatters I think) and the fact that he can take special weapons.

That said, point for point outriders are better and don't take up a hero slot, and for Empire a hero slot is worth more than a special slot in most cases(using conventional Empire tactics of course, gunlines notwithstanding).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1314444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1314444.page GMT
From my opinion, if you join a warmachine crew, and you've elected to gain the shooting protect if that warmachine explodes the wizard goes with it. Similarly, if the shooting removes the crew, the wizard does not remain being able to utilize the cannon, so he forms his own unit and does not benefit from randomizing with the cannon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1318613.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1318613.page GMT
The rules DO state that he cannot fire the weapon.

And I'll have to double check on him exploding or not.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1318775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1318775.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1321598.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1321598.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1321637.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/276903/1321637.page GMT
Ignore engineers for this qualification as they have very specialized rules that allow them to count as crew, which no other characters can do.

Crew =/= unit. If it were against any rules I'm sure war machine rules would specify that characters may not join them, as so many special units do.

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