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<![CDATA[Latest posts for the thread "New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/7.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. WD because it had some good paint articals in it. The new beastman just seem so ..... bad!

Now, every now and GW releases a mini that isn't as good as it could be but these just seem so bad almost across the whole range. The minotaors ick, pseudo samauri bestigors are funnily posed and WTH is the bug eyed razorgor!!!! The doombull is unimaginative at best and Warhoof is just dull. Barring the horns and his funny stick Malagor seems almost OK.

What went wrong? Sculpting at GW has been coming on leaps and bounds and then this.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311009.page GMT Re:New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. GW I can imagine they know these models are not... good.
Maybe they are short on sculptors and have to compromise quality to meet deadlines and so deliver things to trainees?

The minos is a huge I mean HUGE error... I believe they missed the chance for a bestseller, everyone wants minotaurs ( not only for GW games) and cool plastics would sell like hotcakes.

Also dont know if these were made by computer technologies, no matter how good a program is it will produce crap results if the user is not a qualified artist.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311043.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311043.page GMT Re:New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311045.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311045.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311068.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311068.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.
The Minotaurs I'm not sure of, they have not been painted in a sympathetic manner on the GW site, very light highlighting and harsh dark lines between the muscles. That's not what real skin looks like even on very muscled people, the effect makes their skin look more like a cracked pavement effect, like I would use on a figure of an Earth Elemental or something, not on something supposed to be fleshy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311229.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311229.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.
I've seen them in person a number of times as just plastic at the GW stores in the area, and imho, they look really good.

Being a wood elves player, I'm very tempted to get their arch-nemesis

. So I actually like these models... and they've grown on me more and more as time has passed since I first saw them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311240.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311240.page GMT Re:New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. GWs painting team has been sucking for awhile now. IMO need to hire some new painters FAST.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311264.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311264.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311421.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311421.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311444.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.
Then again, I like Canis Wolfborn so my opinion is probably invalid. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311455.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311455.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311486.page GMT Re:New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311495.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311495.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. GW paintjob. Yeah, the shin and face muscles are still goofy, but they're otherwise OK.

The Razorgors, on the other hand, are just awful. Remember that old cartoon [i]Daria[/i]? They remind me of that psycho teacher whose eyes constantly bulge out of his head from stress.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311506.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311506.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.
The thing that really gets me about this release is the fact that while ten gors cost $45 NZD, the bestigors, which aren't any bigger at all are ten for $79 NZD. It's the biggest example I've ever seen of GW pricing for tabletop effectiveness, not product.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311540.page GMT Re:New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311557.page GMT Re:New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1310005&rootCatGameStyle=wh[/url]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311581.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. GW chose is just horrendous. Some of the heads are horrific, but you get enough heads to avoid using them.

The Costigors are all too static to be worth the exorbitant price they're charging for them.

And the Razorgore is quite simply the worst model they've made since the Dark Eldar range was released.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311594.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311594.page GMT Re:New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311596.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.
It's CSM 4th edition all over again.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311603.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311603.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.
As for the the rest of the range, see the models in person. The paintjob/photography has simply not done them justice!

As for leaving out the Shaggoth, it's the triumvate of Chaos.

1. Daemons. Formed and indeed part of Chaos.
2. Mortals. Those who have, through free will, pledged themselves to the cause.
3. Beasts. Those who through birth, owe their allegiance to the Chaos Gods.

As for losing options. I assume you missed the Ghorgon, Cygor and Jabberslythe? All the same cost, all equally as useful, all pretty damned tasty? Oh, and the Razorgor. Meh Model, fantastic rules (Heavy Cav hitting power comes in Herds. Lovely!)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311607.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311607.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.
As for the the rest of the range, see the models in person. The paintjob/photography has simply not done them justice![/quote]
Im going to snip the eyes off , and glue the extra spikes on the eye.

It just cant be considered a razorgor without spikes growing out from its eye socket!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311611.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.
Body and head are really nicely proportioned. Apart from the eye of Inexplicabilty, the model is nice and solid!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311620.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.
I absolutely loathe the minos and razorgor (as I've said many times before) and I will not buy them.

I used to have mixed feelings about Malagor. I didn't realize he had crows wings at first. Now I think he's a bit ridiculous. But snip those off, put some rageddy cloak in their place, and replace that silly torso on his staff and I think it would be a solid model.

The loss of the dragon ogres and the shaggoth disappointed me, but then it got me thinking that because the razorgors are so offensive to my sight, would it be wrong to use a dragon ogre in place? Obviously a converted dragon ogre that looks cool and unique, not the stock dragon ogres. I wouldn't want to replace a very silly model with a slightly less silly one. Since Beastmen can't get dragon ogres, there'd be no confusion, right?

And then could the shaggoth be used as one of the big monsters?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311678.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311678.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.
The minotaurs have too much skin not enough fur for my tastes. I have the same problem with the new skaven. Their hair is assumed but no modelled with the exception of small tufts on the edges of extremities such as the bottoms of forearms and their jaw lines.

I agree that GW botched a huge opportunity on the minotaurs as many game systems use them and it would have been a huge seller. The old metals are far better despite their age.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311804.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311804.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.
Fixed.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311910.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311910.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311928.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1311928.page GMT Re:New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big o GW yesterday (Saturday) to have a look at the models in the flesh but couldn't see any anywhere. When I asked the manager if they had any he told me he had put them out the back! Take that how you will...

He did get one of the minotaurs out for me to have a look at and I have to say I wasn't impressed. And I agree GW seem to be costing certain Fantasy units to there battlefield worth rather than monertary worth...

Mick
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The true nature of their pricing being based around how many of a product a single army would use was shown when the new plastic Greatswords were released. $41 for 10 plastic greatswords is almost twice the cost of 10 core infantry. I can see a small price difference, but making a unit of 25 greatswords cost essentially $123(assuming you don't Ebay or trade for the last 5 models) makes them more costly than similar units that are still metal. A unit of 20 Black Guard costs around $81, and the same for plastic greatswords is $82.

What GW failed to realize here was that the greatswords kit offered a chance to add in bitz and new torsos and legs that most Empire players would want to more customize their models. So if the kit was only $25 many would buy them even after completing their unit if only to mod characters and unit champions out of them.

Now keep in mind the scuplts for greatswords are actually decent. Why they went with the same pricing strategy for such tragic models is beyond me. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1314469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1314469.page GMT Re:New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big o GW yesterday (Saturday) to have a look at the models in the flesh but couldn't see any anywhere. When I asked the manager if they had any he told me he had put them out the back! Take that how you will...

He did get one of the minotaurs out for me to have a look at and I have to say I wasn't impressed. And I agree GW seem to be costing certain Fantasy units to there battlefield worth rather than monertary worth...

Mick
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Did he show you the Doombull or the Minotaur? I like the Doombull, but maybe it's the
paintjob and the hiding of the muscles with the armor pieces.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1314473.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1314473.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1314488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1314488.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.
The true nature of their pricing being based around how many of a product a single army would use was shown when the new plastic Greatswords were released. $41 for 10 plastic greatswords is almost twice the cost of 10 core infantry. I can see a small price difference, but making a unit of 25 greatswords cost essentially $123(assuming you don't Ebay or trade for the last 5 models) makes them more costly than similar units that are still metal. A unit of 20 Black Guard costs around $81, and the same for plastic greatswords is $82.

What GW failed to realize here was that the greatswords kit offered a chance to add in bitz and new torsos and legs that most Empire players would want to more customize their models. So if the kit was only $25 many would buy them even after completing their unit if only to mod characters and unit champions out of them.

Now keep in mind the scuplts for greatswords are actually decent. Why they went with the same pricing strategy for such tragic models is beyond me. [/quote]

That sounds like a feasable explanation except that the Plastic Skaven units mess it up. The Stormvermin set is in the same price range as the Greatswords and the Bestigors and yes you will only use a limited amount per game but why then is the Plaguemonks set in the same price range as normal core choices? You will only use a limited amount of those as well. It boils down to GW charging what they think people will pay for a unit that they will need in their army to have a chance of winning.

Malfred- it was just one of the new plastic ones. I agree the Doombull looks great (but not £25 great...).

Mick
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I really, really like the Beastmen. So much so that I am coming back to Warhammer to play them. The Razorgor is stupidly bad, but everything else is great. The Gors, Ungors, Bestigors all look better than previous models. And I for one dig the minotaurs. The roid-rage, wall of meat and horns look is fantastic. The legs are a bit wonky, but passable. Just wish there was an add-on "torso" sprue that could be bought at say a third of the price of the whole kit, to take advantage of all the wasted plastic.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1315810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1315810.page GMT Re:New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one.

[url]http://www.sciborminiatures.com/en_,monstrous_news.php?id=867#i/2010/big/minotaurs_01.jpg[/url]
Actually the new ones would be alright just not at £27.......
Bestigor aren't priced at game effectiveness as their not that good.......
I quite like the Gor Ungor and Bestigor models I don't like their price however I got the Herds when I could.
The Razorgor means I'll probably be buying either Avatars of War or Heresies Hell Hounds......]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1315847.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1315847.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1316111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1316111.page GMT Re:New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. GW army for that matter. It's a fun model (Pumba on crack, how can you NOT love it?), not a GW model. If another company had put that out, with no game to go along with it, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one feeling this way.

On the other hand, I think basically everything else from the new Beasts of Chaos, except maybe the Gors and the Centigor hero are utter gak.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1316177.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1316177.page GMT Re:New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1317916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1317916.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. [/quote]

Are you reading what you're typing?

Come on now, MDG!

Stop it already!

The new Beasmen range is laughably bad. Sucks out loud bad.

No amount of lipstick is going to help these pigs.

GW whiffed on this one, and I'd love to know how and why.

What is up with the model approval process? Quality control?

This one is a mystery to me.

This army could and should have been so much more than this![/quote]

I guess it's good that "Beastmen" are no longer "Chaos Beastmen". Yeah it sucks that Chaos loses more, but it's better to lose than to get stuck with garbage.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1318659.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1318659.page GMT New beastman - is it me or have they been hit with an ugly stick. Repeatedly. With a really big one. I feel like it could be used as a cheaper, uglier juggernaut replacement too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1318739.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/277756/1318739.page GMT