http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/6.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1333591.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1333591.page GMT 40k w/40 something in Attendance

Warhammer 40k (48):

Overall: Steve Sisk (All Biker SM)
2nd Overall: Toby Walker (Eldar)
3rd Overall: Dave Fay (All Nurgle Chaos?)
Best Sportsman: Anthony Florez (Sallies)
Best Painted: Toby Walker
Best General: Brad Townsend (Space Wolves)

Warhammer Fantasy Battles (28ish?):

Overall: Mike Mandzak
2nd Overall: Jeremy Smith
3rd Overall: Bob Felix
Best Sportsman: Bob Felix
Best Painted: Scott Walker
Best General: Touradj Mansouri

In a massive topsy-turny Old World altering chain of events...Ogre Kingdoms take TWO of the top spots (overall and best painted), including beating Vampires!

War of the Ring (6 People):

Overall: Eric Roof
2nd Overall: Steve Diaz
3rd Overall: Jeff Silval


Oh and as far as the %'s for each category toward overall not counting possible bonuses from end of tourney votes (i.e. favorite opponent/army/theme)
Battle Points-45%
Sports-25%
Painting-15%
Comp-15%]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1333708.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1333708.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1333792.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1333792.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1334938.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1334938.page GMT
And smashed your face AFTER the match? Surely there is a story there...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1334992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1334992.page GMT
Captain on Bike
Command Squad on Bikes
3xFull Bike Squads
Full Scout Bike Squad
and some speeders I think. I didn't play him but maybe Grimgob can supply the list better.

Best Painted (1st or 2nd BP's)
Avatar
Eldrad
8 Harlies
2xGuardian Squads w/Bright Lances
3 Guardian Bikers w/Warlock
10 Dire Avengers in a Wave Serpent
8 Warp Spiders
2xWraitlords w/BL and EML
2 Warwalkers w/2 Scatter Lasers

My List (Briefly, 2nd or 3rd BP's)
2 Rune Priests
2 Lone Wolves w/Termi Armor, CF, SS
4 WG in Pod w/4 CM's, 1 TA, 1 CF
2x9 GH's w/WG in a Rhino w/MotW and Melta
2x5 GH's w/Melta and PW in a Razorback
1x5 GH w/Flamer in a Razorback
3x6 Long Fangs w/5 Missiles in an Assault Cannon Razorback]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335122.page GMT
Bummed that I didn't pull out best general! Ah, I was in first after the first day, but I had two really tough match ups day two and I dropped out of it.

Well played though Hulksmash, too bad you didn't play Toby, you had the tools to work his army.

I still don't know how the Ultramarine player won it all, he wasn't on the top tables any game that I saw. He must have maxed his soft scores. But, didn't he win all his games too, just not massacres, right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335132.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335132.page GMT
I would have loved to play Toby but thems the breaks. I pulled a guy in the last round that though he'd been doing very well 6 AV12 skimmers don't hold out against 15 Missiles so he pulled an uphill fight from the get-go on that one.

And as for tough match ups I'd say pulling the highest final BP and 3rd Highest BP (unless Steve Sisk was higher than me) means you had a really tough day.

But huge soft scores (55%, 15% of which you couldn't control in the least) plus up to a possible 30 bonus points if you maxed the votes meant that actual battle points factored very low in the tournament. Also Ties being worth 12 points was a little crazy and was what actually kept me in the tourney (well that and the massacres )

Oh, and updated the first result part of the post from me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335158.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335158.page GMT
And smashed your face AFTER the match? Surely there is a story there...[/quote]

No story, he was just my second match up (first two pairings I faced made best over all and best general). Remember kids Orks wanna be in combat with marines, they want the charge on bikes (wounds on 6's bite the big one), and for gods sake don't shoot before the assault. I made several mistakes and was outplayed, he was a very good tactician and claimed a masssacre from me. If I played correctly I could have tabled him.

and Hulksmash, again I really enjoyed our match up first game and I am looking forward to facing you again in the future

your pretty good on Steves list but I think the speeder was a storm with scouts in it, there was also a 10 man footsloggin termies squad and a libby in there too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335297.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335297.page GMT Ca and he must of got a low score in one of his first games so you guys just never met.

The fact that even in a loss you still scored 8 points means that even if you get massacred you are not very far out of it. Add to it that when you massacre you get 18 points, and a minor win is only one point more than a tie means that the battle points are going to be grouped very close together, and the soft scores are going to make or break you.

I had the 7th highest battle points, but finished way down at 18th place because of the soft scores. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335308.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335308.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335321.page GMT Ca and he must of got a low score in one of his first games so you guys just never met. [/quote]

The second day (his 4th Match) he said he got his arse handed to him by the Dark eldar player. His army was painted very well with many conversions and speacial shoulder pads. I believe he won best painted last year.

P.S. I asked them about pairings because one of my opponants did not show up (lost his first 3 games) so I got put up againt the guy playing the wringer. I felt bad I took away his full marks because of the by but they said his score against the wringer would have stood anyways. I asked if that wouldnt mess up the pairings and they said matches were based on comp. not winning. wierd way to run a tourny, no?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335388.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335388.page GMT BP's and he would have been at about 56. So it's possible. It just seemed weird that no one that was at the top 4 tables had played him all weekend Its why most of us were a little surprised when his name was called

Not knocking his win at all. He had a beautiful army and the guys I do know that played him had a blast. Just the kind of guy you wanna see in Vegas if you get a ticket. I can see why in such a soft score environment he did so well. It's something we have to remind ourselves of that BP's were worth less than 45% when everything was tallied up. It just kinda shocked a lot of us that played near each other the last round. I think it more had to do with the way that they set up rounds (especially the first 3).

And thanks Grimgob, maybe we'll play sunday at the RTT at the Realm ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335401.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335407.page GMT
Good for Steve though, he must have maxed soft scores, so well played. I was gunning for Best General as it was the only thing I could control anyway.

Blackmoor got a tough draw turn 1 against Charlie, who is a really, really tough opponent. That sort of stunk for both of them.

I am looking forward to the SoCal slaughter as most of those guys will be there again, I need to come up with a diabolical list to beat everyone! Haha, hopefully this time though, my spoiler list actually plays lists it was meant to beat!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335588.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335588.page GMT LA.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335657.page GMT d6 reroll!

http://www.scgwl.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=583
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The 40K tournament is the weekend of April 16th. It will be at the Ontario convention center. If you want to come buddy, let me know and maybe we can all get a room. My group here from SD is coming with 6 at least, so you could probably stay with us.

Drag Abe, Gordy, Alex, and all the other guys along too if you can, that would be a lot of fun. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335668.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335668.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335718.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335791.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335791.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335825.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335825.page GMT
It will be good to meet another fellow Dakkite.

I want to get my Eldar done in time, but they take ages to paint. I think I might bring my IG this go around. My wolves were a good tournament army though as they play so fast. I finished all my games well under time.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335839.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1335839.page GMT
If a massacre is worth 20 points.....and a tie is worth 12 points? That's absurd and abusive.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336134.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336134.page GMT
loss: 8
draw: 12
minor: 13
major: 15
massacre: 18..

or think of it as

0-4-5-7-10, and you get 8 points for just playing It sort of trivialized minor victories, but oh well.

Personally, not a fan of the idea that a massacre and a draw > minor victory and major victory (or even a massacre and a loss is the same as two minor victories), but such is life.

However, I was out of the running before the event even started since I didnt finish painting my army, so I focused on having fun... and succeeded for the most part. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336154.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336154.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336161.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336161.page GMT
A big congratulations to Hulksmash, that's certainly a worthy accomplishment I dig your SW list.

: )

G]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336163.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336163.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336298.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336298.page GMT
[url]http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Image:Broadside_Bash_Results[/url]

In Battle Points I was 7 out of 47
In Sportsmanship I was 40 out of 47
In Comp/Theme I was 42 out of 47

20th overall!

How about those soft scores?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336865.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336865.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1336891.page GMT
Top ten in Battle Points and bottom ten in Sportsmanship? No top ten for you.

Heck, if I had it my way there would be no Best General award; it would be wrapped up in Best Overall. I guess it depends how people play in your area.

- Blackbone]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337180.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337180.page GMT Soft scores should never influence the outcome of a tournament by more than 10%. By the way, many tournaments have a yellow card/red card system. If someone is a complete ass they can be thrown out of the tournament by a judge and there's no need for some opaque soft scoring system.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337213.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337213.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337242.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337242.page GMT Still, 8th overall isn't bad. I just can't believe my army rated an 11 total out of 30 for painting.....I'm the only guy in the top 10 with a less than 20 paint score. Oh well, next up is an event where the painting scores aren't so.....subjective.....

Just noticed a guy I played that had unfinished models had a higher paint score than me Woot for subjective paint scores! Hehe]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337401.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337511.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337511.page GMT GT. If you look at his comp. scores from last year he was in the bottom four. I know for one I gave every one full marks on comp. and sportsmanship as did a lot of the people I knew there (one friend was asked to stop doing so as "he was not doing it right"). there were alot more competitive gamers there than the TO's expected because of the Vegas spots and copm/sportsmanship is really subjective. It took the judges over an hour to add up scores from the last round. I actuall think there were a lot of ties and scores needed to be "adjusted" by the TO's acordingly to their "criteria" to break said ties.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337518.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337518.page GMT
The main thing is we had a great time against some good gamers. I would appreciate a little more space to move but you can't have everything ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337547.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337547.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337585.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337585.page GMT
The main thing is we had a great time against some good gamers. I would appreciate a little more space to move but you can't have everything [/quote]

Or tables higher then 3ft off the ground! my back is still killing me ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337602.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337602.page GMT SW, IG, and Tyranids did.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337938.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337938.page GMT BP's is impressive as well. Part of that could have been that the first 3 games were based on the organizers comp scores so he didn't face anyone with a "harder" list till game 4.

For Overall

1. Space Marines
2. Eldar
3. Chaos
4. Space Marines
5. Dark Angels
6. Space Wolves
7. Eldar
8. Space Wolves
9. ??
10. Space Wolves

Battle Points:

1. Eldar
2. Space Wolves
3. Chaos
4. Space Marine
5. Imperial Guard (?)
6. Space Wolves
7. Eldar
8. Dark Angel
8. Space Marine
10. Space Wolves]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337954.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337954.page GMT BP's is impressive as well. Part of that could have been that the first 3 games were based on the organizers comp scores so he didn't face anyone with a "harder" list till game 4.[/quote]

Or he's just awesome! Would be interested to see his list as DA can actually do mech pretty effectively.

Thanks for the breakdown.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337982.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337982.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337994.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1337994.page GMT PKs are one of the only reliable ways to pop mech lists that puts us at a huge disadvantage. I definitely don't see them as a power army any more, especially since our main strength is CC, and with SW counter charge, and nids stupid initiative I usually lose way to many boyz on the charge to make it worthwhile...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338040.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338040.page GMT
The soft scores sucked, no doubt about it, but the tournament was really fun, which is all that I care about.

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Here are the knee-high tables. I am 6'5" and my back is still killing me. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338303.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338303.page GMT SW. got a major victory and a tie against them (witch was my favorite match against Huksmash and that came down to the last turn). only reason I lost to tau is I killed 5 of his troops in tanks, he had 1 left on an objective and like 12 drones to contest the 3 objectives I sat on. only other loss was to the bike army that won best overall and I learned alot from that game and doubt it would play out the same way again.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338305.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338305.page GMT
I know the sheet based in sort of on competitiveness, but I had people asking me, "What is your theme?" Also, many people were going over the top with their armies back story, I feel to increase their theme scores. I didn't play any top lists during this tournament, which was fine since I didn't bring a competitive list, and as a result I got a 30 for Army, which I think means I got close to top marks for theme and a couple bonus points for being one persons "favorite theme for opponent." However, the question still existed, were we scoring "theme" or "comp?"

If I read the fluff on Eldar, well then Blackmoor and Tobey's lists are in theme.. top marks.. which I would give anyways.

Personally, after this experience, I never want to play a non-tier 1 list at a GT again. I have found that bad players with bad lists are horrible to play (as in they don't know the rules, or are playing 4th edition rules, or are SLOW...). Going forward, I will take a hit on comp any day, as long as I am able to play against the truly competitive players, that are winning because they are good, are great at list construction, and know the rules

So no more gimp lists for me... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338654.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338654.page GMT
I'm not a fan of any sort of subjective scoring like that being a big part of a tournament's marking. I say, if a guy is a jerk, don't go for a pint with him afterwards. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338718.page GMT
I think that is where most of us at the top tables were at. We all knew coming in that we would probably take a hit on our comp. But to be honest I brought probably one of the nastiest builds there and scored a 27 out of 30. So I lost out on 3 points out of 5 games. I still placed in the top 10 and if I could paint I'd have taken the damned tournament (maybe I'll hire Toby ).

And yeah, I didn't play a single person who didn't know the rules or who played slowly. I only had one game that only went 4 turns and that's just the breaks of fighting out a multiple assault with wound allocation nobz. Plus it was the first game of the tourney and I think we took a little to long to get started.

I also saw that everyone at the top tables was pretty relaxed and while focused they were still having a good time. I don't think I'll ever take a "soft" list to a tourney again.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338767.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338767.page GMT
The guys who were judging the army lists don't play anything but Apoc really, and they definitely don't play competitive 40K so they had a hard time picking out power builds, they based everything on adhering to Army fluff, which is silly.

I also took a hard list and didn't give a hoot about soft scores as they are not something I can control at all. I was gunning for best general.

The SoCal slaughter has a much better scoring system in my mind, and I really look forward to that event.

Don't get me wrong though, the BSB was a ton of fun and I will for sure go back next year.

Next time I need to practice with my list for more than one day as thinking over my games I am realizing that I made a some errors with it due to inexperience. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338833.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338833.page GMT , but I definitely won't handicap myself for the sake of comp.

I was sort of laughing at how the SW Maximum Overdrive list was "compy" I think its awesome, and would agree, but just another example of how subjective it really is.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338842.page GMT
The only thing my list had in common with the Maximum Overdrive was the actual use of razorbacks. I had full long fang squads. My razorbacks were armed completely differently. I had 2 Lone Wolves. 2 Almost full squads of GH's in Rhinos w/WG, only 3 smaller squads of GH's of which 2 had melta's and PW's, and a podding WG unit. Sorry, all weekend all people saw were 6 razorbacks and all I heard was "ooohhh, that's that stelek list" since they didn't look any deeper.

::end sigh::

But the fact that it was considered middle of the road was ridiculous. I brought it knowing I'd tuned a pretty nasty list and that I'd be facing other nasty lists in round 1 and 2 but I really didn't. They weren't bad and Grimgob dang near took a win off me but I still shouldn't have been in the middle of the pack on comp to start.

I'm not a fan of subjective comp by people who don't really look at it from a competitive standpoint. I'm really looking forward to the Slaughter since the guys looking at the lists do play more competitively and the match-ups will be better set for the first 2 rounds. Plus the high battle point players will start hitting each other in game 3 instead of racking up points and not running into harder gamers till game 4. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338879.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338879.page GMT GW got rid of any themes in 4th edition.

The theme of my army is that I tried to build a competitive elder army without grav tanks or a seer council. If that is the way we are playing, do you want me to make up a long back story so I can justify my choices…why?

I built my army back in 3rd edition and I wanted to do a Saim-Hann army with Naydu Fireheart and the Wild Rider host with a lot of jetbikes and vipers. Since then the 4th edition of the rules came out, and killed that army, and after that, every tournament I play in my army changes a lot. I did take Eldrad though (I was going to leave him at home because of comp, but added him in because of the new ‘Nid dex), and I had one person say that Eldrad should only be in an Ulthwe army. So what they were saying is that if my models were painted black I would have been fine, but since they were painted red, I took a comp hit.

Hulksmash had perhaps the hardest army there, but did not take much of a comp hit. Toby (A similar Eldar build to mine) and I took a big comp hit. I would like to see what armies got what comp score because my theory is that competitive space marines get a good comp score, and the competitive xenos end up with a bad comp score.

The problem with my army is that it looks soft to someone that does not know any better, so my army comped very high when looked at by the judges, but then on the table top getting hit by 60 strength 6 shots a turn is not that much fun. So I think the problem I had was that the first 3 match-ups were against similarly comped armies, so I ended up playing against armies that were not as competitive as mine and my soft scores suffered because of that.

This happens a lot with my armies. Back in 3rd edition I played Thousand Sons when everyone said that they were a bad army, but when I would beat everyone with them, I always scored badly on comp.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338893.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338893.page GMT Just a habit of calling any Razorback spam list that name ::sigh:: is understood.

I look forward to Slaughter in Space though... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338914.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1338914.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1341136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1341136.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1347040.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1347040.page GMT http://www.scgwl.com/

Dont forget Slaughter in Space 2 is coming up this April 16-18 at Ontario Convention Center for your revenge!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1347087.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1347087.page GMT
[quote=Ozymandias]When's SoCal Slaughter? I may actually be able to make the trip down to LA.[/quote]

Yes! Can't wait for it. All the cool guys will be there! And I'll go too

Oh and Ozy i just spent the weekend at the Sycamore Mineral Springs, and ate a dinner at Big Sky Cafe. I should have snuck away and tried to squeeze in a game with you haha.

[quote=Hulksmash] But to be honest I brought probably one of the nastiest builds there and scored a 27 out of 30. So I lost out on 3 points out of 5 games. I still placed in the top 10 and if I could paint I'd have taken the damned tournament (maybe I'll hire Toby ). [/quote]

First off. Comp is terrible. GW is the arbiter of comp. And if the list you wrote is legal, then according to GW its in 'theme'. Second, I like your list a lot Brad, and you have some tactical tech choices on the list that make it less frustrating for opponents who you will eventually table with your shooting power. Things like lone wolves and a pod of wolf guard are not 'soft' units, but they are a lot more interactive for your opponent then just a face melting gunline.

That being said, the proof of the cluelessness of players in a comp tourney is in this particular pudding. Your list is LEAN and MEAN. There is not one soft unit in there, and it is mostly just going to dismantle an army before they even get to use their models that they lovingly painted. on the other hand Allan and Toby have made eldar armies that, while good in the right hands, they do offer their opponents a chance to get a win from them. Allan may disagree with me, but IMO there is definitely a scarier eldar list in their codex, and the codex itself is showing its age. Regardless of whether or not they are the est eldar list that can be made, I just can't see how both Allan and Toby took a huge hit for their lists. I can't think of anything more thematic, and they don't have longer range than 36" for the most part. Definitely a friendly list for someone who just wants to have fun.

I'm shocked that Allan got hit on sports too. He talks smack, but its the kind of smack that is fun and totally smooth around the edges, there are never any barbs there. It just sounds like more misbegotten eldar hate.

To summarize. the only players qualified to judge composition are skilled tourney players, and skilled tourney players don't want comp interfering with their games.... I try to stay clear of comp tourneys for that very reason. Comp poisons results, period.

Thanks for all the info guys. See you at the slaughter...
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1347160.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1347160.page GMT [quote=Ozymandias]When's SoCal Slaughter? I may actually be able to make the trip down to LA.[/quote]

Yes! Can't wait for it. All the cool guys will be there! And I'll go too

Oh and Ozy i just spent the weekend at the Sycamore Mineral Springs, and ate a dinner at Big Sky Cafe. I should have snuck away and tried to squeeze in a game with you haha.
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I'm guessing this was on Valentine's Day weekend? Dude, sign her up for a massage, then PM me and we can get a game in. Seriously, I've been reading your battle reports, you'd have trounced me and been back in under an hour.

Next time you're up this way, let me know, I'd love to see how my Razorback Mech DA fare against you.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1347510.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1347510.page GMT
The BSB was a lot of fun, I don't want to scare anyone away from it. The main issue for guys like us (competitive players) was the fact that the guys running it are hobbyists first, gamers second and they wanted an event that would reflect that. Hell, they gave the best painted trophy ABOVE the best general award which shows where their priorities are.

There is a lot of discussion about how to improve the BSB for next year (although again, it was a REALLY fun event). They are going to make battle points count for more, get better missions and improve the comp system.

They want to form a committee to rank lists and I am trying to get myself (and Dave if I can convince him) onto that committee as I am honestly the only guy they game with that will recognize a power list when he sees it.

I think comp has no place what so ever in competitive play, if a list is legal, then it is fair. I do, however, like the way the SoCal Slaughter runs things, they rank your list based on power level and then pair your first games based on that and form there it plays no further part.

The Slaughter will be awesome, that is my old game club from LA and they know how to run an event. Everyone that went last year said it was awesome, so I am looking forward to it. I missed it last year because I was in Colombia or Brazil at that point, but it feels good to be back in the tournament scene and see a lot of my old buddies.

Looking forward to meeting you Shep, I met your buddy KevinNash and he was a really cool cat.

And watch out for Ozzy, he cheats like crazy! hahaha]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1347733.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1347733.page GMT
Crap, now everyone knows how DD2 will win at Adepticon.


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Actually Reece is still sore that I placed higher than him using Dark Angels at the last RTT we were both at. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1347801.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1347801.page GMT
But you got second place at a tournament with some really good players with DA, that was pretty damn impressive.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1348122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1348122.page GMT ).

As for the Eldar lists I can understand to a point the comp hits. It's probably mostly because every, single eldar list there had Eldrad and both of their combined Eldrad in a unit of Harlies near an Avatar. That is a wicked combo and people do tend to notice that. If either one had had a farseer instead I can assure they would have gained probably another 5-8 comp points. But that is more people being pissy about a super priced character. I personally don't think comp has any place in a tourney. If it's legal to play then it's comp friendly at a tourney for me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1348126.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1348126.page GMT
[url]http://broadsidebash.com/results.php[/url]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1355798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1355798.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1355843.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1355843.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1357148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1357148.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1357164.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1357164.page GMT .

I took Best General last year (5-0-0) and beat Sisk in the 5th round with a list that looks a LOT like what he took this year. Dont know if I should be angry or flattered .

Either way, I think I left an impression.

For those of you talking about the ScSiS2, what are the scoring breakdowns gong to be like?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1358512.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1358512.page GMT
First two round pairings based on judge assessed comp (these scores have no further effect), rest on battle points.

Battle Points:
20 possible per round, 1-14 from degree of victory and 0-6 from bonus objectives.
Total possible Battle Points 100.

Sportsmanship:
6 points per round, from a very specifically outlined checklist.
Maximum of 30 points here.

Composition:
Same as Sportsmanship.

Painting:
One judge (Carol Tiveron) will use a 40 point checklist to score everyone. This is a slightly modified version of the one Matt Lewedowski created for the GW GTs. I'll try and get a copy of it up, but its the same one we have used for every slaughter.

Votes for Favorite Opponent and Favorite Army will be used for tie breaking purposes on their relavant awards. Our awards will be:

Overall- Best combined score of the possible 200 points.

Best General- Best Battle Points. Composition is first tie breaker, Sports is the second tie breaker.

Best Sportsman- Best Sports Points. Favorite Opponent votes are the first tie breaker. Composition Score is the second tie breaker.

Best Painted- Painting score points. Favorite Army votes are the first tie breaker. Paint Judges choice is the second tie breaker.

Best Army- Composition Score. Favorite Army Votes are the first tie breaker. Painting Score is the second tie breaker.

Richard Marquez Award- Lowest Battle Points coupled with high soft scores. The tournament head judge is the final arbiter with this award.

The two Indy Finals passes will be awarded to the Best Overall and the 1st place Best General.

Also, to get the bonus reroll, you need to pay by March 16th. Army lists are due by April 9th. Anyone turning in an army late will be scored a zero in composition for pairing purposes. This has no effect on your overall, but you will get paired with another random latecommer or someone who brought a hard as nails army for the first two rounds as a result.

Scenarios will be posted for both the 40k main GT and Fantasy side events once Scott and I have a chance to complete the playtesting on them. Should be very soon. I strongly anticipate a standard spred of 1-2 KP related missions and the rest objective based.

Slaughter style KP will be used for the annihilation style scenarios, which means 1 KP per 100 points round up (down if troops or dedicated transports for troops), to a minimum of 1 KP. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1358743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1358743.page GMT
That said, I am not really complaining, just an observation, and I am still going to Slaughter in Space 2 and expect to have a lot of fun. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1360725.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1360725.page GMT OTT lists start against each other and the super battleforce armies of byes play against each other so that some of them win at least one game As long as it's kept to just the first 2 rounds and swiss pairings start after that I'm good with it.

Can't wait to see you there Blue, If you wanna get in some practice games let me know.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1360747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1360747.page GMT RTT this last weekend.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1360841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1360841.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361107.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361125.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361125.page GMT As far as getting some games in, where do you usually play? I am definitely small pond, as I usually just end up playing Grimgob, KevinNash, or Shep, so I don't have a lot of public play exposure, so it would be nice to play at a club once in a while I guess. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361245.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361245.page GMT
@Shep

Awesome, I'll try to actually be there this time ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361253.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361253.page GMT DA force for SiS2.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361338.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361338.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361354.page GMT Las Vegas Tickets to the overall winner and the Best General.

I was going to take my Chaos for the paint job/comp score, but I might now take my Eldar to crush the dreams of 5 people ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361470.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361470.page GMT [/quote]

Oh, I don't think I'd be in the running for overall anyway... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1361481.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1374902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1374902.page GMT [/quote]

Haha, not too sure of yourself, huh? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1374927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1374927.page GMT
One of these days Id love to get into the series games, but never know when or where.

The curse of being a casual gamer I guess.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1375037.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1375037.page GMT GTs are a good place to start - plus there are a fair number of regular tourneys in socal - game empire in pasadena, aero hobbies in santa monica, SCGWL league are all good places to hone that killer instinct ;-)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1375066.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1375066.page GMT
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1375289.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1375289.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1375624.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1375624.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1375635.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1375635.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1375644.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1375644.page GMT 40k side, but the WHF was a good group of people. I really enjoyed the scenarios too. Just simple enough to impact the game, but nothing that was too over the top.

In regards to:
"Soft scores for the win! Plus the first 3 games were based entirely on judge based comp so he played the other 3 weakest armies there (since no one considers ogres competitive)."

That isn't the whole can of beans amigo... The comped pairing wasn't much to be spoken for on the fantasy side. Game one, most people played the same race / army. After that, you kinda got thrown to the winds. Hell I lost bigtime in my 2nd game, to a skaven list that, If I am not quite mistaken, was one of the worst comped armies in the entire tournament.

All my games were pretty damn rough and I got a chance to play against some real great opponents. Three weakest armies? You prolly didn't get to see the games then! Squaring off against DE, Demons, Skaven and 12PD Tz Gate was no joke but it was smiles all around... even when totally hung over day two!

And its not just soft scores that won me the overall... I had the most battle points too lets not forget. Good thing I won the whole thing so I could pass the General Trophy to my man Touradj! They can't let the most broken army in WHF win them all! ROFL

Fun tournament with a great pool of Socal gamers that I hope to see again at both Slaughters later this year!

-Mandzark]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1376498.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/279207/1376498.page GMT