http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/6.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net GW main site seven hours ago and was promptly removed. You can still see the first part in the Google archive, with a search for "Island of Blood" (and with search parameter "last 24 hours").

[b]Incoming: Island of Blood
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[i]Enter, if you dare, the Warhammer world; it is a strange and dangerous realm, riven with battle, bloodshed and slaughter, twisted beyond sanity by the warping power of Chaos.

The Island of Blood is the new boxed game for Warhammer and is released this September. Packed full of stunning plastic Citadel miniatures and containing all the rules, dice and templates you'll need to play, it's the essential purchase for fans of the Warhammer hobby. Meanwhile, if you like the Battle for Skull Pass boxed game (and who wouldn't with all those Goblins and Dwarfs) then it only seems fair to point out that once the last few remaining copies are they're gone, and they're never coming back! Pick one up while they last.

In August we'll be featuring more information about The Island of Blood here on the website and the full details will be released in September's White Dwarf, so keep your eyes peeled.[/i]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665338.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665338.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665343.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665343.page GMT
Agreed with Little Lord Fauntleroy on the lack of content confirmation, though.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665350.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665350.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665437.page GMT
Just refresh your browser a few times as Dakka automatically removes the double.

Also, it sounds like it'll be High Elves. "Island of Blood" is one of the island chain near Ulthuan.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665440.page GMT
Just refresh your browser a few times as Dakka automatically removes the double.

Also, it sounds like it'll be High Elves. "Island of Blood" is one of the island chain near Ulthuan.[/quote]

I was thinking that as well. So is it going to be Beastmen or Warriors of Chaos? I suspect Warriors, as the Norse can sail there.

I cannot see them using High and Dark Elves in the same set.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665445.page GMT
Which I can see happening, as there's always the possibility of tunnels leading out to the island chains.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665451.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665451.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665527.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665527.page GMT
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I thought we heard this a long, long time ago, didn't we?

I can't remember what was in the Skaven part, but weren't the High Elves rumored to be getting a plastic Griffon?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665548.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665548.page GMT

Although, I wouldn't put it past GW to do Dark Elves as a complete twist.

I can see it now. Plastic Shadow Warriors and Shades in the box, with the Dark Elves having a plastic Hydra and a Lord on a Dark Steed--while the High Elves get a Griffon mounted Lord.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665565.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665577.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665577.page GMT GW putting out a starter box for the new edition.

I know they did dedicated starters for 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th, but I had no clue they were planning one for 8th!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665586.page GMT

Although, I wouldn't put it past GW to do Dark Elves as a complete twist.

I can see it now. Plastic Shadow Warriors and Shades in the box, with the Dark Elves having a plastic Hydra and a Lord on a Dark Steed--while the High Elves get a Griffon mounted Lord.[/quote]

That would actually be an awesome set. Especially with the Hydra hitting $62]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665620.page GMT HE and Skaven and the HE get the Griffon lord then the only unit the Skaven have that could be a counter point to it would be the Hell Pit Abomination. This may even play into the rumor that the Hell Pit Abomination was coming out soon. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665663.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665663.page GMT GW in Munich is already painting the modells of the box, so it's going to be skaven vs: high elves for sure.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665988.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1665988.page GMT GW in Munich is already painting the modells of the box, so it's going to be skaven vs: high elves for sure.[/quote]

Dude, pics !!!!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666088.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666103.page GMT they gotta be floating around the interwebs somewhere....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666113.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666113.page GMT IMO. OFC i may be completely wrong, and they may do grom the paunch again like one of the older versions. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666187.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666187.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666225.page GMT
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As I believe was said before, the Island of Blood is part of the Ulthuan Island Chain, but they are hinting heavily towards Chaos as well.

I don't know if Skaven was correct, but Helfs was certainly correct.

I'm guessing W.o.C AND Beastmen, along with Helfs, or W.o.C and Helfs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666764.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666764.page GMT meh, not really interesting for me...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1666798.page GMT GW has given some hints about the reason for putting Skaven in the new box.

In the new Skaven book, lots of the fluff is about the Skaven attacking HE.

Just my 2 cent

But i must admit, i am pretty excited about see the new box and getting my hands on the new rule book.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667059.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667059.page GMT WoC because my goal for the edition is to start a WoC army with daemons!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667103.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667103.page GMT
GW is really pumping the depths of their creativity here. I wonder what 9th edition will be? Spike Field? Grimdark Hills?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667116.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667116.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667122.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667125.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667125.page GMT BFSP in circulation... I guess the dreamer in me wishes for a few starter boxes all with different armies inside... In case, you know, that one crazy person wants to learn O&G or dwarfs in the next edition...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667194.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667194.page GMT BFSP in circulation... I guess the dreamer in me wishes for a few starter boxes all with different armies inside... In case, you know, that one crazy person wants to learn O&G or dwarfs in the next edition...[/quote]

What they should do is put the mini rulebook in every army box not just in Conflict for Cranium Castle.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667200.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667248.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667266.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667283.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667283.page GMT
I don't have a problem with the pulpy names, it's expected. If they used something other than what customers have come to expect they'd draw a lot more criticism than what people are throwing around here. If the formula's been working they're smart not to change it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667401.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667401.page GMT
Includes Slaanesh, with REAL daemonettes, against Tomb Kings

Cookie if your mind was childish enough, much like mine, to put it together.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667407.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667474.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667474.page GMT
Only one?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667477.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667477.page GMT
Only one?[/quote]

Ok OK..... FIVE of them ;p]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667481.page GMT
Only one?[/quote]

Ok OK..... FIVE of them ;p[/quote]

Now THAT's thinking like a Skaven. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667483.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667483.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667488.page GMT
Only one?[/quote]

Ok OK..... FIVE of them ;p[/quote]

Now THAT's thinking like a Skaven. [/quote]

No, no, no.

Steal your friends' most distinctive clothes. Dress in them. Wait at dusk on the roof of your local GW for the smaller, weaker members of your species to emerge carrying boxes bearing the delicious warpsto... er, plastic. Leap upon them, lashing out with your poisoned blades. Take their stuff. Make sure someone sees the distinctive clothing as you dash off into the sewers with your prize. Chitter madly. Profit!

THAT is thinking like a Skaven, my friends.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667557.page GMT
Only one?[/quote]

Ok OK..... FIVE of them ;p[/quote]

Now THAT's thinking like a Skaven. [/quote]

No, no, no.

Steal your friends' most distinctive clothes. Dress in them. Wait at dusk on the roof of your local GW for the smaller, weaker members of your species to emerge carrying boxes bearing the delicious warpsto... er, plastic. Leap upon them, lashing out with your poisoned blades. Take their stuff. Make sure someone sees the distinctive clothing as you dash off into the sewers with your prize. Chitter madly. Profit!

THAT is thinking like a Skaven, my friends.[/quote]

Pfft... I have underlings to do that for me.

That will then meet unfortunate "accidents" soon afterward, of course.

If I were to do it myself, I wouldn't be seen, striking from the shadows just long enough to stab and grab, then return to the darkness.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667581.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667581.page GMT
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I think we all still know its Skaven and Helfs, I DID notice the lots of Skaven VS Helf fluff in the Skaven Armybook, so I guess it makes sense now.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667777.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667777.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667791.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667791.page GMT
Only one?[/quote]

Ok OK..... FIVE of them ;p[/quote]

Now THAT's thinking like a Skaven. [/quote]

No, no, no.

Steal your friends' most distinctive clothes. Dress in them. Wait at dusk on the roof of your local GW for the smaller, weaker members of your species to emerge carrying boxes bearing the delicious warpsto... er, plastic. Leap upon them, lashing out with your poisoned blades. Take their stuff. Make sure someone sees the distinctive clothing as you dash off into the sewers with your prize. Chitter madly. Profit!

THAT is thinking like a Skaven, my friends.[/quote]

Pfft... I have underlings to do that for me.

That will then meet unfortunate "accidents" soon afterward, of course.

If I were to do it myself, I wouldn't be seen, striking from the shadows just long enough to stab and grab, then return to the darkness.[/quote]

Okay, you win. Superior skullduggery skills!

Back on-topic, with the quality of the BfSP set, maybe we'll see High Elf spearmen that don't suck in this box. That alone would have me buying a couple.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667815.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1667815.page GMT
I would prefer Albion - if they were made celtic/barbarian.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1668009.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1668009.page GMT
- A bucket of clanrats
- Plastic Seige teams of various sorts (Warpfire thrower, Ratling gun and those abus gun things)
- Plastic..... hell do we need anymore plastic stuff? Perhaps a plastic HQ of some sorts.. i don't know...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1668286.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1668286.page GMT HE in the new starter set then they don't just add in new versions of what is already in their battalion box. That is one army that could do with some alternative plastics.
As for Skaven, do they not already have lots of plastics and a reasonably decent battalion box?
It doesn't make sense.
I would like to see HE Reaver fast cavalry, Lothern sea guard and one other of the current metal special infantry. The only thing good would be the rumoured Lord on Griffon(?) I am not going to be paying £45 for the hardback rule book or £50+ (probably 60 in the current pricing realm(!) for the cut down mini rule book and one special HE character on steed!
Looks like it's 7th edition for some time yet!
Lets hope, but I think GW is stuck in a (time) Warp....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1669506.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1669506.page GMT Particularly if it's High Elves vs Skaven, as rumored.

Sounds like it should be Empire or Brets against Chaos of some flavor.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1669798.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1669798.page GMT
/Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Throne of Khorne!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1669809.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1669809.page GMT Particularly if it's High Elves vs Skaven, as rumored.

Sounds like it should be Empire or Brets against Chaos of some flavor.[/quote]

I dunno about that. It's probably referring to a bit of High Elf myth, specifically the Blighted Isle where the Blade of Khaine, aka "Widowmaker", rests until it's drawn forth again--which is a HUGE point of contention between the Shadow Warriors and the Dark Elf Shade Clans.


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That brings me to another thing...

They better have Alith-Anar redone and featuring in the box set somewhere.

The Blighted Isle is his hometurf.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1669817.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1669817.page GMT
[url=http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/113486-.html][img]http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/6/16/113486_sm-.jpg[/img][/url]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670333.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670333.page GMT HQ model somewhere in plastic, all the Starter kits have an HQ and the only HQ''s in Skaven are metal, the High elves as well I think. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670372.page GMT HQ model somewhere in plastic, all the Starter kits have an HQ and the only HQ''s in Skaven are metal, the High elves as well I think. [/quote]

Not ALL Skaven Characters are metal: Screaming Bell/Grey Seer and Plague Furnace/Plague Priest. Added bonus, whichever version you don't build, the other character type can be put on a regular base(with a little work needed for the Grey Seer).

That said, rumours point to a plastic Warlock Engineer and Chieftain if Skaven are truly in.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670378.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670378.page GMT Le Grognard]Photo posted by The Baltimore Battle Bunker on their Facebook page; regular figures, but doth I see Skaven and HElfs on the demo table?

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Hmm... looks like High Elves and Skaven it is.

Pity, I was still holding out a small hope after first hearing this that it woukld have Beastmen. Been planing to start an army of them, and that would have definetly forced me to.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670379.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670379.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670398.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670398.page GMT
Demo games today were run with High Elves and Skaven and both sides were able to win games. The game seems to play faster than 7th Ed., which we thought was a good thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670404.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670404.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670469.page GMT
OK, I'll take that as confirmation of HE vs Skaven in the next starter. What were the demo armies?

Somebody got a list?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670563.page GMT
Unless they ran specific scenarios from a mini-rulebook or some such.

Skaven and High Elves make a kinda sense though, seeing as one is a horde of terrible troops and the other are more elite troops.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670589.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670589.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670597.page GMT
Same to boost mine, and I think I already found a HE player to do some trades with.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670603.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670603.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670613.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670613.page GMT
I can't think of two completly over the top cheese armies to add into a boxed set then these two. Great Job GW!!!

You can't have too many pointy ears and rats in the kitchen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670631.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670653.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1670653.page GMT
Demo games today were run with High Elves and Skaven and both sides were able to win games. The game seems to play faster than 7th Ed., which we thought was a good thing.[/quote]

Were they new models or old?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1671365.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1671365.page GMT
GW is really pumping the depths of their creativity here. I wonder what 9th edition will be? Spike Field? Grimdark Hills?[/quote]

Tendon Isthmus?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1671539.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1671539.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1671671.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1671671.page GMT
GW is really pumping the depths of their creativity here. I wonder what 9th edition will be? Spike Field? Grimdark Hills?[/quote]

Tendon Isthmus?[/quote]

The Struggle for Bone Forest.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1671735.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1671735.page GMT
My money is on High Elf vs Skaven.

High Elves and anyone can ignore miscasts will rule magic.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1671772.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1671772.page GMT
Them and armies that can bring more than 4 Lvl 1's(Skaven and Goblins can bring about 6-7 in 2k).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1672371.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1672371.page GMT
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Ya also while your spamming a bunch of crap wizards your opponent will be spending points on more useful things. O ya enjoy the miscasts that your bound to get, and I hope you don't go against dwarves, WoC w/ MoK, or saurus with mirror shield.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1673746.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1673746.page GMT
Goblins dont get 7 useful or different spells.. Every wizard you take means other wizards have less power dice to cast with. I really think people are combining the 25% hero rule with 7th edition magic rule. Ok I take 7 level 2s in 7th ed.. wow i get 16 power dice!! AWESOME.. Or you use the real rules and you get 2d6 power dice for an average of 7. Good luck with your 1 casting dice per spell.. Or you just wasted a lot of points on wizards who wont be able to cast anything. Not to mention rolling duplicate spells. Or the opponent taking 1 level 4 and getting +4 to their dispel roll vs your +2.. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1673753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1673753.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1673758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1673758.page GMT
Not even sure spamming characters is useful with the silly steadfast rule giving stubborn to virtually everyone. You'll want to out number people]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1673761.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1673761.page GMT Yup. Lots and lots of RnF models. $$$$.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1673778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1673778.page GMT Swordmasters,
Ellyrion Reavers,
Characters including the griffon and, I think, a wizard. At least.

Skaven will include Rat Ogre[u]S[/u] , warpfire thrower team and mortar as well as rank and file and characters. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1677657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1677657.page GMT Yup. Lots and lots of RnF models. $$$$.[/quote]

Showing my age. I cut my teeth on warhammer when it was 10-100 gobbos with bows, and 20-200 gobbos with hand weapons, per unit.

Last night I found one of my old "100 Gobbo" movement trays.!

I don't fear 8ths need for huge rank and file troops, and I laugh at the cost! Poorly painted 3rd edition gobbos ARISE AND CONQUER!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1677978.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1677978.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1677982.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1677982.page GMT
This was 6th ed]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1677983.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1677983.page GMT
i also hear through the grapevine that you know someone who gets a discount on minis! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1677991.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1677991.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1678008.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1678008.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1678342.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1678342.page GMT
Yes, because we all think about spamming wizards for casting only.

It couldn't have anything to do with the pluses to dispeling by using wizards instead of not using them and the fact that failing to dispel has the same penalties as failing to cast. Not at all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1678438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1678438.page GMT
There will be other Skaven models but not with the starter set (Harry). This includes a Hellpit Abomination, which is still in the works. Rumours also tell of a plagueclaw catapult and new Warp-lightning cannon.

My personal hopes are for new non-monkey gutter runners. We need them!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680185.page GMT My personal hopes are for new non-monkey gutter runners. We need them!
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I have no idea what my Skaven army would USE their gutter runners for (monkeys or not) in the new edition. Hard to imagine something that they could do that a block of slaves couldn't do better.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680354.page GMT GW have kinda shot themselves in the foot now, haven't they?

I can't imagine wealthy parents relenting to a 10 year old running up and saying, "mummy, mummy, I want the Island of Blood."

They'd probably just go, "eww... weirdos" and leave.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680359.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680359.page GMT
Doesn't work either really. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680406.page GMT
"Booduhm-CHI!"]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680407.page GMT My personal hopes are for new non-monkey gutter runners. We need them!
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I have no idea what my Skaven army would USE their gutter runners for (monkeys or not) in the new edition. Hard to imagine something that they could do that a block of slaves couldn't do better.

[/quote]

Warmachine hunt and rear charges? Slaves can't deep strike.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680436.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680436.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680531.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680531.page GMT
GW is really pumping the depths of their creativity here. I wonder what 9th edition will be? Spike Field? Grimdark Hills?[/quote]

How about Skidmark Valley?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680540.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680540.page GMT
GW is really pumping the depths of their creativity here. I wonder what 9th edition will be? Spike Field? Grimdark Hills?[/quote]

How about Skidmark Valley?[/quote]
the browned fields maybe where armies are horribly outnumbered and the army with the fewest points has a general with brown pants.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680555.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680555.page GMT
minimum unit of 5 GR for 60 points can take out two - three measly crewmen easily. especially when they scout or use thier subterranian assault.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680657.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680673.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680673.page GMT
state your reasoning to support this. They can still take out war machines which can save your blocks from annihilation by cannon fire.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680691.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680835.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680835.page GMT
GW is really pumping the depths of their creativity here. I wonder what 9th edition will be? Spike Field? Grimdark Hills?[/quote]

How about Skidmark Valley?[/quote]

They did that one arleady, remember Gorkamorka? That was "The Skid" full of muscly, toothy fungus monsters that drop trou' in a giant cesspool of filth that they harvest their food from. GW has quite the imagination, indeed! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680922.page GMT Ninja'd by GW yonks ago! DOH! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680927.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1680927.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681097.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681097.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681115.page GMT
And starter boxes are just brilliant value for money =p

Oshova]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681117.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681117.page GMT
Do you mean the Lord on a Giant Eagle (looks like conversion of WE eagle) or this one, as both are seen in the new rulebook, overlooking a giant HE host:

[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m490744_99110210002_HighElvesEltharionStormwingMain_873x627.jpg[/img]

This is a very old model, before anyone asks.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681162.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681162.page GMT
ninja'd

yeah kroothawk that is the one. well then I'm stumped.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681181.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681181.page GMT
I had him in his orignal packaging, with the rules on the back for him, and all his equipment. It even came with an apology that the equipment printed on the box was not the stuff he was supposed to have, and had a piece of paper with the proper equipment printed.

Alas, at 10 years old, such coveted treasures lead to getting ruined, and i lost a great many models this way. Only real survivors from this age was nagash (Love him) the old metal zombie dragon (Love him) and that's it. Orion was used to make a daemon prince, a conversion i greatly regret, and the griffon....oh why did i do it?

The griffon's hands were used in said daemon prince conversion, the rider was lost, and the griffon itself, due to having a really bad cast, had massive gaps and needed to be filled in with GS. I lost him as far as i know.

Such a shame.

but back on topic, i don't particularly like the sound of this. Skaven im decidedly 'meh' about, as i disliked their new miniatures, and high elves...well, i dont like them. They're too generic fantasy elves for my tastes.

Now if they released a starter set with beastmen in...

Coincidently, i wonder if the enxt 40k edition will have space marines in the box?

/random ponderings over.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681238.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681248.page GMT HE army. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681249.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681249.page GMT
Ill be very sad if this is over 100 dollars.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681321.page GMT
Ill be very sad if this is over 100 dollars.[/quote]
Figure it's the same price as Black Reach is for 40k. 75 is the ballpark here.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681383.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681383.page GMT HE and skaven. My only fear is if I get the box it will dilute my miniature time even more and I'll never get my beastmen done.

[quote=Kroothawk][img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m490744_99110210002_HighElvesEltharionStormwingMain_873x627.jpg[/img]

This is a very old model, before anyone asks.[/quote]

You know, I love the high elves, but that's always been a ridiculous mini. If I was a griffin and some poncy git tried to strap an upholstered throne to my back that was twice as tall as he was (not counting his enormous winged hat), I'd claw his eyes out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681460.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1681460.page GMT

The tail goes on that way round?!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682071.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682071.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682135.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682135.page GMT
Ill be very sad if this is over 100 dollars.[/quote]
Figure it's the same price as Black Reach is for 40k. 75 is the ballpark here.[/quote]BroSRM, that would make sense; however with the new basic rule book for Fantasy costing 75 fucking dollars, I would set my price point for the starter a bit higher myself. Just a thought.
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I'll be interested to see what other bits come in the box for templates etc. While it would be cool to have the highly detailed ones that are coming out in July I'd prefer something a bit more plain to begin with so there's no confusion.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682151.page GMT
What are you talking about?

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682185.page GMT please no hammerheads and flying jellyfish

Leave them in the gaming systems that already have them. Even with my schoolboy sense of humour, "You've got crabs! tee hee!" will wear a bit thin.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682200.page GMT Certainly no hellpit abomination in the starter. Only 2 Rat Ogres, one warpfire thrower, one mortar and clan rats confirmed (heroes and slaves also likely, BramGaunt said globardiers as well).
Hellpit abomination will come later. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682215.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682215.page GMT
Definitely not buying this one. Unless you know, they can make half decant skaven, or make high elves have any flavour.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682481.page GMT Certainly no hellpit abomination in the starter. Only 2 Rat Ogres, one warpfire thrower, one mortar and clan rats confirmed (heroes and slaves also likely, BramGaunt said globardiers as well).
Hellpit abomination will come later. [/quote]

my mistake I thought I saw a rumor that it was in.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682530.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682530.page GMT
Agreed with Little Lord Fauntleroy on the lack of content confirmation, though.[/quote]

Uninspired maybe but it sounds interesting to say the least, from the name I'll guess that Chaos will be one of the armies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682571.page GMT GW and it shows High Elves fighting Skaven.

Do we need any more conformation? I don't think so.

For those who don't get it this is what is says:

"In this issue: New: Warhammer Boxed Game

Incoming! The Island of Blood

The Warhammer world; it is a place riven by battle, where mighty armies clash for glory, honour or the entertainment of Dark Gods. Darkened skies, tortured by cataclysmic magics tear open and rain blood upon the ceaseless combatants and the landscape is wracked by the carnage around it. Trees writhe in mutated agony, lashing out with limb and branch and rivers flow thick with the corpses of the slain. All upon the land are consumed by the unending battle, an age of war in which victory and defeat hang in the balance.

Cast against this macabre tableau fight mighty armies -warriors by their million raise banners of defiance or icons of dismay, taking up arms in the clash for survival. Beleaguered and surrounded, the forces of Order fight desperately to stem the tide of the armies of Destruction. Delighting in the carnage and ruination, the Dark Gods look on.

The Island of Blood is but one battleground upon the face of the Warhammer world, a mystical and dangerous place that has been twisted and mutated by the warping power of Chaos. In ages past the Island of Blood was a battleground upon which armies have bled and died in the ageless battle for supremacy... and they will do so again. Soon.

The Island of Blood is the new boxed game for Warhammer and is released this September. Packed full of stunning plastic Citadel miniatures and containing all the rules, dice and templates you'll need to play, it's the essential purchase for fans of the Warhammer hobby.

Meanwhile, if you like the Battle for Skull Pass boxed game (and who wouldn't with all those Goblins and Dwarfs) then it only seems fair to point out that once the last few remaining copies are gone they're gone, and they're never coming back! Pick one up while stocks last.

In August we'll feature more information about The Island of Blood on games-workshop.com and the full details will be released in September's White Dwarf."



Done in my opinion.
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Not done till they show us the models ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682803.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682803.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682805.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682805.page GMT
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682827.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682827.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682863.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682863.page GMT
Probably not, but it still seems like GW's way of telling us without actually telling us.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682868.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682868.page GMT WYSIWYG for the box set. Still, it's enticing. I've wanted to play Fantasy for years, Skaven in particular. This might just be the time I jump into it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682918.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682918.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682950.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682950.page GMT DE . . . but then if that was the case I would buy the Mantic Games Elves and convert them =p

Oshova]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682981.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1682981.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683096.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683096.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683109.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683109.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683111.page GMT HQ model somewhere in plastic, all the Starter kits have an HQ and the only HQ''s in Skaven are metal, the High elves as well I think. [/quote]

Not ALL Skaven Characters are metal: Screaming Bell/Grey Seer and Plague Furnace/Plague Priest. Added bonus, whichever version you don't build, the other character type can be put on a regular base(with a little work needed for the Grey Seer).

That said, rumours point to a plastic Warlock Engineer and Chieftain if Skaven are truly in.[/quote]


Whudya mean, whichever one you don't build? I magnetized mine...


Back on topic though, the rumors I've been hearing for months have been Skaven VS High Elves, the pic sent with the webway email recently (see several posts back) confirms it for me. Everyone else is in denial. Cheap Skaven FTW!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683218.page GMT
Skaven and High Elves are the two best armies at doing this (which have not been in a starter set before).

Also look at all the rumors about 8th that have come true. All the rumors that were validated were ones that we leaked. All the evidence that GW is sending out is suggesting that this will be true.

That's why I think that this rumor is done. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683366.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683366.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683380.page GMT GW?

Could someone please explain why the reluctance to actually just come out and say something please?

I just don't see what purpose it serves.

My only theory is to test the staff to keep things under their hats and not spill the beans to mix metaphors.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683407.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683413.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683413.page GMT GW?

Could someone please explain why the reluctance to actually just come out and say something please?

I just don't see what purpose it serves.

My only theory is to test the staff to keep things under their hats and not spill the beans to mix metaphors.[/quote]

I think they drip feed because it creates more hype. If we new the exact details there wouldn't be half the discussion and discussion is free advertising. As for how the drip feed works, I think it's partly intentional and partly inevitable. They know full well that once they send out the new rules to 1000's of employees one of them will end up spilling the beans. I also think they have staff members they allow to post on forums and talk to people who run forums so they know what will get leaked and roughly when. All the uncertainty of the big box is making people feverish which means some who might have waited for the box will cave in and buy the big book. Also those that are interested in those armies will start to buy auxiliary units to pad out what they expect will be in the box.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683465.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683465.page GMT
Even if they are terrible skaven players can always use more slaves, heck people may just convert the HE into slaves...or at least thats what I intend to do.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683516.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683516.page GMT
But I do hope the recent and continued improvement in plastics continues into this set ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683552.page GMT [/quote]
As were the models in Battle for Macragge. Mind you this was years ago, and what GW can do with plastic now is goddamn incredible. Black Reach quality is more what I'd go for with this new set. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683572.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683572.page GMT [/quote]
As were the models in Battle for Macragge. Mind you this was years ago, and what GW can do with plastic now is goddamn incredible. Black Reach quality is more what I'd go for with this new set. [/quote]

Yea Black reach was so good, the price (when it came out) the amount of models and actual balance between both sides actually made me pretty mad that they haven't done this before and I hope they continue doing box sets like black reach.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683698.page GMT
Give the high elves blackface, easy conversion. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683917.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683917.page GMT
Ill be very sad if this is over 100 dollars.[/quote]
Figure it's the same price as Black Reach is for 40k. 75 is the ballpark here.[/quote]

AoBR is $90 now.


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[quote=juraigamer][quote=narceron]I wonder how I can convert those high elves into dark elves....bourbon, maybe.[/quote]

Give the high elves blackface, easy conversion. [/quote]

...on second thought, I'm going to let someone else have this one.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683939.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1683939.page GMT GW?

Could someone please explain why the reluctance to actually just come out and say something please?

I just don't see what purpose it serves.

My only theory is to test the staff to keep things under their hats and not spill the beans to mix metaphors.[/quote]

I've explained this before:

Revealing upcoming releases leads to people getting [i]excited[/i] about those upcoming releases, and getting excited almost always leads to instant death.

GW is just thinking of your health.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684260.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684260.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684284.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684284.page GMT
I mean, the surface isn't a RoB (like virtually every picture GW puts out nower days), and the trees are not Citadel Woods. In fact, that statue there - unless it's coming soon - is a scratch build.

How dare GW insinuate that there's a way to get terrain that isn't via their stores!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684311.page GMT GW hills, if that makes you feel better. And it MIGHT be a ROB board, just one of the flatter parts. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684319.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684319.page GMT [/quote]

I hope it's not $90, that would be a hard sell for a new player (looking at a minimum of $120 just to get started). I would hope they did something like AoBR, start it at $60 or $75 to get interst into the new edition and then raise the price later.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684677.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684979.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684979.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684998.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1684998.page GMT GW that generated the topic thread.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1685018.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1685018.page GMT
Expect more models like Black Reach, and I would expect to see some of the models from the picture, just not all of them.

That terrain piece with the egyptian statue looks like it is the three up of the piece from the Dire Avengers sprue mounted on a Mines of Moria block. I would be a little surprised if it was included in the set as they went all models with Black Reach, but not overly surprised.

I think even at $90 it will be a good deal as it will include pretty close to a battalion of units plus the small rule book, templates and some of the small dice.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1685050.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1685050.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1685061.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1685061.page GMT
And I guess this means the skaven army book was built for 8th edition? I got the idea that in 40k, they did a lot of stuff for marines & orks because that's what was in the starter box and thus, most common armies. So, I guess this means they have a lot of new high elf and skaven models planned? Haven't been following the rumors but are high elves next on the list for a redo?

I'd like to see em do different starter boxes too.. like if they kept skull pass models but just gave you the newer mini rulebook if you wanted those models instead, something like that... even if it was a direct only kinda thing.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1685115.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1685115.page GMT
And I guess this means the skaven army book was built for 8th edition? I got the idea that in 40k, they did a lot of stuff for marines & orks because that's what was in the starter box and thus, most common armies. So, I guess this means they have a lot of new high elf and skaven models planned? Haven't been following the rumors but are high elves next on the list for a redo?

I'd like to see em do different starter boxes too.. like if they kept skull pass models but just gave you the newer mini rulebook if you wanted those models instead, something like that... even if it was a direct only kinda thing.[/quote]

See this is what they should do for 40k starters. Don't focus on one army for every new edition. This helps promote different armies for newbies and a good way to start for veteran players other than focus on same old army every edition plus random evil race.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1685189.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1685189.page GMT
[quote][b]High Elves:[/b]

Prince on Griffon
Mage on foot
20 Sea Guard
10 Swordmasters of Hoeth
5 Ellyrian Reavers

About 1100 points in total, assuming full command on all units, a smattering of extra equipment, Lvl 2 Mage but no magic items.

[b]Skaven[/b]

Warlord
Warlock
40 Clanrats
20 Slaves
Poisoned Wind Mortar
Warpfire Thrower
2 Rat Ogres with Packmaster
5 Poisoned Wind Globadiers

About 800 points in total, assuming full command on all units, a smattering of extra equipment, Lvl 2 Warlock but no magic items.

Various small pieces of terrain[/quote]
And the box will include a small booklet with the full rules, as in Skull Pass.
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Stupid High elves.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1688843.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1688843.page GMT
[quote][b]High Elves:[/b]

Prince on Griffon
Mage on foot
20 Sea Guard
10 Swordmasters of Hoeth
5 Ellyrian Reavers

About 1100 points in total, assuming full command on all units, a smattering of extra equipment, Lvl 2 Mage but no magic items.

[b]Skaven[/b]

Warlord
Warlock
40 Clanrats
20 Slaves
Poisoned Wind Mortar
Warpfire Thrower
2 Rat Ogres with Packmaster
5 Poisoned Wind Globadiers

About 800 points in total, assuming full command on all units, a smattering of extra equipment, Lvl 2 Warlock but no magic items.

Various small pieces of terrain[/quote]
And the box will include a small booklet with the full rules, as in Skull Pass.
[/quote]

And I winz! Finally GW has made a box set including two of my armies! Now they need to just come out with Dark eldar and I'll be bankrupt this fall.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1688854.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1688854.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1688856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1688856.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1688861.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1688861.page GMT
Take
10 Clanrats
10 Slaves
2 Rat Ogres
throw them in a bag, add plenty ammounts of plasticglue, shake well and voila: HPA!

Skavenarmy content sounds fun, will be a pleasure to swap them for those pointy ears. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1688926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1688926.page GMT You mean: As wishlisted like the Bell?
No, the big museum pieces stay out of the starter box as usual.
HPA is in production but will come later and separately. As probably a plague catapult and a new warp cannon.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1688999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1688999.page GMT
Nice to hear the HPA is in production; I thought it was one of the cooler-sounding units in the army book. I'm definitely picking up one of these; if there's a HE player interested in splitting two sets with me (I get the Skaven, you get the HE, we each a set of templates/rules) let me know. I'll be happy to split the costs according to whatever model ratio there is since it seems like skaven models will likely outnumber HE by quite a bit.

I am absolutely loving the name "Island of Blood" for some reason, even though I would normally find something like that corny as hell.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1689521.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1689521.page GMT Lets see, 5 Termies (200 pts), Dread (110 pts), Tactical unit (170 pts), and Captain (120 pts).
Thats about 600 pts. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1690842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1690842.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691004.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691004.page GMT
Which, frankly, wouldn't surprise me with the above numbers on content. They could get away with the model count in BfSP because one army was a few Dwarves and the other had barely 500 points in troops with a decent chunk relying on pimped-out characters (280 in Gobbos, 40-60 in Troll, 80-215 in characters, 160 in Spider Riders). GW can still say it's giving you a steal (because, by their terms, it is: One of the army's content alone makes up for the whole thing), and that you have no right to complain. Heck, them going all the way up to $150 USD - while absurd - wouldn't surprise me (as, once more, it [i]is[/i] technically a saving).
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691032.page GMT GW to hike up the price.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691050.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691050.page GMT GW to hike up the price.

[/quote]Not encouraging, just don't want it to feel like a sudden surprise to people when it does happen. At this rate it's only a few years before the new 40K Book and Starter Set puts you back for more than a PS3.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691078.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691078.page GMT
Take
10 Clanrats
10 Slaves
2 Rat Ogres
throw them in a bag, add plenty ammounts of plasticglue, shake well and voila: HPA!

Skavenarmy content sounds fun, will be a pleasure to swap them for those pointy ears. [/quote]
I lolzed. But anyway I could use some swordmasters, not exactly fan of griffin, i prefer dragons but it's all good .]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691147.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691147.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691417.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691444.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691444.page GMT
You and me both, apparently - now don't be bidding against me there either! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691477.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691477.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691892.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1691892.page GMT
[quote]No more sausage fingers.

Martin Footitt has sculpted most of the HE stuff.
He did the Lustria characters, the Hero/Lord set, the Mage set, the Dragon Rider, etc.
Expect more of the same.

He didn't sculpt the Dragon .... just the Elfy armour and the rider. [/quote]

... and on the not yet finished Hell Pit Abomination:
[quote]Coming on nicely though.[/quote]
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1692240.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1692240.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1692269.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1692269.page GMT
[quote]No more sausage fingers.

Martin Footitt has sculpted most of the HE stuff.
He did the Lustria characters, the Hero/Lord set, the Mage set, the Dragon Rider, etc.
Expect more of the same.

He didn't sculpt the Dragon .... just the Elfy armour and the rider. [/quote]

... and on the not yet finished Hell Pit Abomination:
[quote]Coming on nicely though.[/quote]
[/quote]

The most important question...

Is he redoing the abomination that is Alith-Anar or should I go ahead and make my own along with a cadre of Shadow Warriors from Charioteer bodies?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1692300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1692300.page GMT
You are a far wiser person than most

[quote=Kroothawk]NixonAsADaemonPrince over at Warseer summarized the rumours on the starter box contents:

[quote][b]High Elves:[/b]

Prince on Griffon
Mage on foot
20 Sea Guard
10 Swordmasters of Hoeth
5 Ellyrian Reavers

About 1100 points in total, assuming full command on all units, a smattering of extra equipment, Lvl 2 Mage but no magic items.

[b]Skaven[/b]

Warlord
Warlock
40 Clanrats
20 Slaves
Poisoned Wind Mortar
Warpfire Thrower
2 Rat Ogres with Packmaster
5 Poisoned Wind Globadiers

About 800 points in total, assuming full command on all units, a smattering of extra equipment, Lvl 2 Warlock but no magic items.

Various small pieces of terrain[/quote]
And the box will include a small booklet with the full rules, as in Skull Pass.
[/quote]
You are trusting Warseer? Really? Because its not like they have never gotten something wrong before

On another note, I wouldn't be surprised if GW came out of a left field and hit us with something like Ogre Kingdoms and Brettonians.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1692923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1692923.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693211.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693211.page GMT [img]http://www.laymark.com/i/o/77.gif[/img] [URL=http://img704.imageshack.us/i/hpab.jpg/][IMG]http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3436/hpab.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Weird cant see my post in the thread]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693223.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693223.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693247.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693247.page GMT
so for the good/bad combo you can have
LM vs scaven/dark elves/chaos.
HE vrs scaven/chaos

No rumors at all of LM being in it so you are stuck with HE.

So my guess would be HE vrs scaven or the new daemons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693474.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693474.page GMT GW came out of a left field and hit us with something like Ogre Kingdoms and Brettonians. [/quote] At this point, I would. It's High Elves and Skaven.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693563.page GMT
Now let's see how many mice I have to ruin to see some swordmasters and seaguard....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693579.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693579.page GMT
it's made by a different company, as told TWICE in the same thread in the space of 5 posts.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693597.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693597.page GMT Well, time to start clicking refresh again....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693623.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693623.page GMT This is done by Lord Velard from Russia since February. I own 2 of those. Same Velard that I bought a Tervigon from this week

[quote=LunaHound][quote=JohnHwangDD]No Skaven HPA as rumored?[/quote]
[URL=http://img704.imageshack.us/i/hpab.jpg/][IMG]http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3436/hpab.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/quote]
What is this? Is this a private sculpt or a leaked GW pic? Anyway, it looks fantastic.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693647.page GMT
it's made by a different company, as told TWICE in the same thread in the space of 5 posts.[/quote]

Yes, but as the astute noted this thread has been borked and I couldn't correct it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693697.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693697.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1693737.page GMT
I'm a little relieved to hear this. While I'd be happy to get a few of those in cheap plastic just to be able to use them, I don't really like the sculpt.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694093.page GMT I dunno about that. He also did the crewmen on the Repeater Bolt Thrower and the Lion Chariots too. Those are pretty damned good, imo.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694108.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694108.page GMT [img]http://www.laymark.com/i/o/77.gif[/img] [URL=http://img704.imageshack.us/i/hpab.jpg/][IMG]http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3436/hpab.th.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

Weird cant see my post in the thread[/quote]
Ah, finally found out. This is a sculpt found on ebay, for 159.90 US-$ plus postage.

BTW the poster on Warseer got it wrong, the Hong Kong mortar team is an inferior copy of Velard's or rather Grishnak's original sculpt, but about 4 times as expensive Reds8n's pic shows Grishnak's original.

[img]http://i.ebayimg.com/14/%21Bm%21tJlQBWk%7E$%28KGrHqYOKkQEtljTg5C3BLeDCMprjg%7E%7E_12.JPG[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694552.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694552.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694611.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694611.page GMT I doubt he'll have the rank and file with those huge, elaborate helms that he's got for the y'know...lordly princes and mages ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694699.page GMT

[img]http://img.war-europe.com/syndic_img/conceptart/de/ConArt0807_53.jpg[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694714.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694764.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694764.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694840.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694873.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694873.page GMT
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694876.page GMT
BTW the poster on Warseer got it wrong, the Hong Kong mortar team is an inferior copy of Velard's or rather Grishnak's original sculpt, but about 4 times as expensive Reds8n's pic shows Grishnak's original.

[/quote]
Indeed , they are all made from the same Hongkong company , just wanted to see if the sculpt and cast quality was believable :3]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694915.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694936.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1694936.page GMT Lol, and with the quality GW is putting out these days you may have that option (troll vomit anyone?).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1695897.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1695897.page GMT
QFT. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1696819.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1696819.page GMT The small rulebook will have complete rules and will be full colour.

And on High Elf miniatures GodlessM over at Warseer wrote:
[quote=GodlessM]I know that multi-part separate kits for the High Elf stuff in the IoB box is out in the HE wave along with new stuff (White Lions). [/quote]
"Scryer in the Darkness" also confirmed plastic Phoenix Guard to come.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1697756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1697756.page GMT The small rulebook will have complete rules and will be full colour.

And on High Elf miniatures GodlessM over at Warseer wrote:
[quote=GodlessM]I know that multi-part separate kits for the High Elf stuff in the IoB box is out in the HE wave along with new stuff (White Lions). [/quote]
"Scryer in the Darkness" also confirmed plastic Phoenix Guard to come.[/quote]
Damit I just got metal lions. O well at least ill get some plastic ones two.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1698670.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1698670.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1698698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1698698.page GMT Good move, GeeDub. I was worried you'd gimp us with some quick start lameness and force us all to carry around that bloated monster of a BRB

- Salvage]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1698707.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1698707.page GMT BRB that you could beat someone to death with is a fantastic book that every serious veteran and beginner should have, not only for the dozens of scenarios at the end. Do some work-out, folks ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1698841.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1698841.page GMT GW act all aloof about what's going to be in their boxes. Yes, its good they told us that they were bringing out a new box, but we all knew that anyway!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1698861.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1698861.page GMT
The small rule book is already available for viewing in GW stores and has been since the same date as the large hardback rule book. I can tell you that it's the thickest mini rule book yet and it does indeed have all the rules in full colour.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1699714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1699714.page GMT
Remember its a great weapon so you always strike last ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1699930.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1699930.page GMT The small rulebook will have complete rules and will be full colour.

And on High Elf miniatures GodlessM over at Warseer wrote:
[quote=GodlessM]I know that multi-part separate kits for the High Elf stuff in the IoB box is out in the HE wave along with new stuff (White Lions). [/quote]
"Scryer in the Darkness" also confirmed plastic Phoenix Guard to come.[/quote]
Well, good news about the small rulebook.
Why should somebody buy the new 'fat' rulebook? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1700327.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1700327.page GMT
Looking at that list, I'm thinking if accurate the High Elf Battalion makes a very nice starting High Elf force when added. Think that will be my plan, probably get a Skaven one too.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1700354.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1700354.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1700684.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1700684.page GMT Remember its a great weapon so you always strike last [/quote]
Not if you are the High Elf player
[quote=wuestenfux]Why should somebody buy the new 'fat' rulebook? [/quote]
1.) You don't need magnifiers to read the book
2.) The 30 pages of alternative scenarios and additional 60 pages for creating your own scenarios/legendary battles/campaigns are essential for every serious gamer.
3.) The background seems to have new stuff in in (haven't checked this myself yet).
4.) The background chapters, modelling section and galleries are essential for beginners and inspiring for everyone else. Creates interest in all armies and the modelling aspect.
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My dear old thing! It's what monocles are for, what what!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1701210.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1701210.page GMT
My dear old thing! It's what monocles are for, what what!! [/quote]Dear Lord, I play Warhammer, how do you expect me to have any money leftover for a Monocle? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1701601.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1701601.page GMT
I couldn't resist - I preordered the Big Book at 25% off...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1701828.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1701828.page GMT

I feel for anyone that would want the special POs and do not look online and had to wait for WD to hear of them, no special POS for them! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1702068.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1702068.page GMT [/quote]

Nice one. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1702709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1702709.page GMT [quote=deadmeat30]have you seen the most amazing sculpt of the warlock engineer, with a staff and 'freddy' style glove out reached like hes projecting warp lightning? Or the plastic Griffon swooping down from the sky?[/quote]
And there will be plastic Dragon Princes as part of the HE second wave.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1722441.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1722441.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1722508.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1722508.page GMT
The small rule book is already available for viewing in GW stores and has been since the same date as the large hardback rule book. I can tell you that it's the thickest mini rule book yet and it does indeed have all the rules in full colour.[/quote]

Does this mean that you'll be able to buy the small one seperatly before the box set is released...?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1723913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1723913.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1723929.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1723929.page GMT BRB that you could beat someone to death with is a fantastic book that every serious veteran and beginner should have, not only for the dozens of scenarios at the end. Do some work-out, folks [/quote]

No.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1724062.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1724062.page GMT HE second wave.[/quote]


Oo,..For serious? If so, I'm gonna be broke -___-.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1724114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1724114.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1724184.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1724184.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1724218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1724218.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1724243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1724243.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1724253.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1724253.page GMT
[quote=Kroothawk]Griffon in the starter box, not a dragon. And before you ask, the Dragon Princes are in the 2nd wave, not the starter. And no pics yet. [/quote] Ands what's all this talk about 'waves'? Are they releasing a new HE codex after the box set comes out, or just new models or something?
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729441.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729441.page GMT HE codex after the box set comes out, or just new models or something?
[/quote]

Similar to the splash release of new Orc Boarboyz and River Trolls, there's rumored to be an upcoming "second wave" of High Elf models independent of any new rules releases.

I think there was talk of various armies receiving new cavalry models in general, though specifically for High Elves it seems to be new Dragon Princes (and possibly new plastic Elite Infantry?)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729464.page GMT
Add some additional bits that scream "Caledor"(a dragon horn for the musician, dragon wing crests for the helms and horse's headguards, things like that) and it could be done pretty easy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729546.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729546.page GMT
Add some additional bits that scream "Caledor"(a dragon horn for the musician, dragon wing crests for the helms and horse's headguards, things like that) and it could be done pretty easy.[/quote]

Well, GW could make two kits, and sell them, or make one kit, and sell it. That sort of reduces income dosn't it? I know GW isn't known for being sensible but you have to admit, they arn't that lacking buissness sence to realise that selling two kits is going to make more money than selling one.

Though I do agree it would be easy for them to do it, I just say they won't.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729625.page GMT
Add some additional bits that scream "Caledor"(a dragon horn for the musician, dragon wing crests for the helms and horse's headguards, things like that) and it could be done pretty easy.[/quote]

Well, GW could make two kits, and sell them, or make one kit, and sell it. That sort of reduces income dosn't it? I know GW isn't known for being sensible but you have to admit, they arn't that lacking buissness sence to realise that selling two kits is going to make more money than selling one.

Though I do agree it would be easy for them to do it, I just say they won't.[/quote]

Flawed logic. It actually makes more sense to make a kit that two groups of people will want to buy. You can then charge more money because of the extra parts on the sprues.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729670.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729670.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729674.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729674.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729856.page GMT
New archers AND new spearmen, but in the same box!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729880.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729880.page GMT GW often offers starter box units as new plastic boxes soon afterwards, e.g. Goblin Spider riders. So there is hope.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729910.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1729910.page GMT GW often offers starter box units as new plastic boxes soon afterwards, e.g. Goblin Spider riders. So there is hope.[/quote]
I wouldn't say there's any real correlation there. I don't think the models are identical between the starter box and the real kit in the case of the spider riders. The only thing I've seen were the Space Marines and Orks getting turned into those little sets where you'd get 3 or 4 minis for 8 bucks, and they're snap-fits. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1730063.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1730063.page GMT 40k, and fantasy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1730086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1730086.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732052.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732057.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732079.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732079.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732083.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732083.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732148.page GMT
Meh, whatever, I'm more interested in the Skaven contents anyhow. Still diggin' the Plastic Griffon and Elyrian Reavers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732214.page GMT
Meh, whatever, I'm more interested in the Skaven contents anyhow. Still diggin' the Plastic Griffon and Elyrian Reavers.[/quote]
Do you expect a starter set to have a unit of dozens of what amount to Fantasy's "Terminators"?

Ten seems a bit big for a small, 5-800ish point army to be honest.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732330.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732387.page GMT
I was personally hoping for 15, or at least even 12, but 10's fine.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732717.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732717.page GMT
[img]http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92152&d=1278691688[/img]

[img]http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92153&d=1278691688[/img]

(pics found by VenomBlood over at Warseer).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732795.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732795.page GMT
But what is more interesting is how the two units of swordmasters do not seem to be the same size. Perhaps one is the new plastic? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732844.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1732844.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1733432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1733432.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1746411.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1746411.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1746424.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1746424.page GMT GW main site seven hours ago and was promptly removed. You can still see the first part in the Google archive, with a search for "Island of Blood" (and with search parameter "last 24 hours").

[b]Incoming: Island of Blood
[/b]
[i]Enter, if you dare, the Warhammer world; it is a strange and dangerous realm, riven with battle, bloodshed and slaughter, twisted beyond sanity by the warping power of Chaos.

The Island of Blood is the new boxed game for Warhammer and is released this September. (...)[/i][/quote]

[quote=Beer_&_Bolters]any idea when this is being released? skimmed through the previous pages but didn't see anything[/quote]
Let me guess, after reading the first 5 lines of this thread, you got bored and gave up
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[img]http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92152&d=1278691688[/img]

[img]http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92153&d=1278691688[/img]

(pics found by VenomBlood over at Warseer).[/quote]

The chap two places to the right of the Deathmaster looks new too. Poison Wind Mortar?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748442.page GMT
After much oggling in Photoshop I believe the ones not standing on the movement tray are actually taller than the ones that do. they also have gold sections in places where the old SM can't really have them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748640.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748640.page GMT
I want my skaven NOW!

Quickly minons! to the warp forges!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748729.page GMT I would say yes. And the rat to the left might be the plastic warlock.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748755.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748755.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748850.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748850.page GMT GW website. Orcs, Empire, Skaven and High Elves.

Two of the "four gamers" inevitably end up using the miniatures from the boxed set, so I think this removes any lingering doubts about the contents of Island of Blood in terms of races.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748878.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748878.page GMT GW website. Orcs, Empire, Skaven and High Elves.

Two of the "four gamers" inevitably end up using the miniatures from the boxed set, so I think this removes any lingering doubts about the contents of Island of Blood in terms of races.[/quote]

So, it is Orks and Empire then?

Sorry - couldn't resist!

Though really, I do wish GW would just TELL us what's in it already!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748990.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1748990.page GMT Really, advertising the new Warhammer starter set would NOT detract from the new Warhammer edition! Think about it! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1749378.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1749378.page GMT
It is almost as if GW gets really upset when their fan-base finds out what is being released despite GW's best efforts (for whatever reason!) to keep this info under wraps.

Then, in a fit of pique, GW then denies the truth until the bitter end, to the point of lying about it (see: Space Hulk)...

Weird.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1749766.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1749766.page GMT GW fanatics in one place (Games Day Germany), deny it, then reveal the truth and start preorder the very next day!
Must be a marketing genius .... CREEEEED!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1750608.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1750608.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1750634.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1750634.page GMT [/quote]
i thought that required saying his name 5 times into a mirror]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1750852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1750852.page GMT GW stores now are now receiving their display sprues from Island Of Blood. Customers in my local GW store were assisting in assembling the models today. They look absolutely terrific. I've seen Swordmasters and the Griffin assembled. Great detail, poses, etc. The Skaven stuff looked good on the sprue. As rumored, 2 Rat Ogres and a Warp Fire Thrower among all the great smaller stuff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751240.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751240.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751257.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751257.page GMT GW here got display sprues, but it was all only for the new daemon models coming out, no Island of Blood sneak peeks :-/]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751265.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751265.page GMT GW stores it won't be long before pics are all over the forums. I spent the day basing my Tyrannofex, finishing my Chaos Giant converion and building the store's preview Bloodcrusher sprues. The Bloodcrushers can build three command models (which I did) or three regular troopers, and there are extra heads and great looking tiny decorative bits. I'm going to want more than one set of those for sure.

[b]GW stores need to have the Island Of Blood models built and painted for display by the first week in August, so I suspect a lot of those one-man operated GW stores are going to be looking for assistance from customers as was the case in my local store today.[/b]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751268.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751268.page GMT
Or closer to white lion charioteer's shape?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751301.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751301.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751323.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751323.page GMT wtf]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751325.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751325.page GMT
Prolly same deal as killa kanz...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751588.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751588.page GMT GW stores now are now receiving their display sprues from Island Of Blood. Customers in my local GW store were assisting in assembling the models today. They look absolutely terrific. I've seen Swordmasters and the Griffin assembled. Great detail, poses, etc. The Skaven stuff looked good on the sprue. As rumored, 2 Rat Ogres and a Warp Fire Thrower among all the great smaller stuff.[/quote]

Ohª Good news! Thanks!

Did you see the clanrats and slaves? What weapons for each model?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751621.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751621.page GMT GW just to see them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751633.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751633.page GMT GW stores now are now receiving their display sprues from Island Of Blood. Customers in my local GW store were assisting in assembling the models today. They look absolutely terrific. I've seen Swordmasters and the Griffin assembled. Great detail, poses, etc. The Skaven stuff looked good on the sprue. As rumored, 2 Rat Ogres and a Warp Fire Thrower among all the great smaller stuff.[/quote]

check out the burning rat on the 'thrower

From elsewhere..

[quote]Got ahold of the minis today for Island of Blood. Skaven are amazing, High Elves pretty good. Chieftain in the style of Queek, but with a back banner and halberd. 40 Clanrats, Warpfire Thrower (complete with burning rat), Posion Wind Mortar (meh, was disappointed by this, not much detail on the mortar itself), Chieftan, Warlock Engineer, 2 Rat Ogres (tiny heads) and a Pack Master.

On the High Elf side it was a Prince on a Griffon (on a flying stand, really, really, really, ugly. It was stretched out like the Dragon is though, in a "flying motion"), 5 very nice Elerian Reavers (fantastic champion in this unit), 10 Sword Masters (pretty sure they were all unique models- same pose/different style armor and whatnots), and 10 Sea Guard.

That's all I saw, and was told it's going to be $90. I'm getting 2 for my Skaven, unfortunately all the Clanrats have shields sculpted on.
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Clanrats are armed with hand weapons IIRC. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751646.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751646.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751666.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751666.page GMT gw last night got a box with the ssprues from island of blood in so they can put them on the intro table , the blue shirt wasn't telling anything but there is definatly some new high elf plastic]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1751737.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752218.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752218.page GMT
I can only think that they might be doing what they did with the clanrat box and make some models as possible slaves but make them so similar that they can bulk out clanrats. My other thought is that perhaps they havent sent out absolutely everything that is going to be in the big box and are holding some bits back for next month's black box. Kind of "heres some models to be getting on with" but I think that's a bit of a longshot. I also think that there's way too few High Elf models givent that I woudl expect the first fights to be straight infantry vs infantry and then work up to an 'everything that's in the box' batlle royale. How do the points compare? (I don't have the High Elf book)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752252.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752252.page GMT
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[img]http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92153&d=1278691688[/img]

(pics found by VenomBlood over at Warseer).[/quote]

I call shenanigans. That is clearly a doctored pic. I've never ever seen a work area that clean. Not even one barely set up. Where are the bits of sprue scattered about. The ink stains on the wood. Totally photo shopped. I don't trust it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752361.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752361.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752594.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752594.page GMT
Thats why you're supposed to buy 2 or 3 starter sets]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752647.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752664.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752664.page GMT
I can't see any downside as far as GW is concerned.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752695.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752695.page GMT
Thats why you're supposed to buy 2 or 3 starter sets[/quote]

I would bank on a SeaGuard box of 10 shortly after the starter is released, like they did with the Spider Riders.

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I gotta say, I haven't played Fantasy in a good 10 years, and this boxed set has me kind of excited since I've always thought of the Skaven as neat. A buddy of mine who plays High Elves and I will probably each buy a boxed set, and swap the models. Like I don't have enough damn hobbies. *grumble*

As a side note, that's an awesome workspace and those shelves kick ass! I need to make me a corner like that instead of having all in a disorganized pile mixed with brass and gunpowder. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752730.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752730.page GMT
OK I'm gonna bite... Photoshopped? Really? No, this doesn't look like it has been digitally manipulated. This is just a staged photo the same as any companies do, and I'd expect nothing less. I mean look at the blatant product placement. What is interesting is that those models may well be the Island of blood ones. Complaining about this is like complaining about the photos in White Dwarf's battle reports.


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[quote=skrulnik][quote=Necros][quote=CaseyVa]Wait, so there are only 10 SeaGuard? I thought there were supposed to be 20. With there only being 10 it's going to be hard to base it into the start of a larger army.[/quote]

Thats why you're supposed to buy 2 or 3 starter sets[/quote]

I would bank on a SeaGuard box of 10 shortly after the starter is released, like they did with the Spider Riders.

I bet the skaven specials stay in just the box, like the DeffKoptaz. I wish it were different, but that is my gut feelings on this.[/quote]

If this is the final tally of figures I would be very disappointed if I were playing High Elves. Part of starting a new game with friends is to feel you have 'parity'. The last set with Dwarves and Goblins had big units on both sides, these tiny HE units would put me off.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752771.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752771.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752809.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752809.page GMT IIRC. [/quote]

Are they stabbing the model in front of them, like in the good old days?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752822.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1752822.page GMT
On the High Elf side it was a Prince on a Griffon (on a flying stand, really, really, really, ugly. It was stretched out like the Dragon is though, in a "flying motion"), 5 very nice Elerian Reavers (fantastic champion in this unit), 10 Sword Masters (pretty sure they were all unique models- same pose/different style armor and whatnots), and 10 Sea Guard.
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Sigh. And here I was hopeful that we could get a non-fugly Griffon model in plastic. Really surprised there's only 10 Sea Guard, though. That's a really useless number of them.

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Please!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753085.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753085.page GMT
Please![/quote]

Maybe that's the real reason why GW refuses to show pics of the starter set?

[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m350113_99110202130_KarlFranzDeathclawMain_873x627.jpg[/img]

became

[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m350093_99110202105_EmpireHeroGriffinMain_873x627.jpg[/img]

And then it's all downhill?
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Dreadclaw?

Deathwing? Nah.

Stormwing!!!

[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m490744_99110210002_HighElvesEltharionStormwingMain_873x627.jpg[/img]

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40 Clanrats with Shields & Full Command = 200pts (if broken down into two units = 110pts each)
Poison Wind Mortar & Warp Fire Thrower = 140pts
Chieftain = 45pts plus (depending on magic items)
Engineer = 15pts to 100pts plus (depending magic level and magic items)

Grand Total = Somewhere between 400 and 600pts

I think the Clanrats will probably be my Bell pushing unit, who I never really envisaged as being armed with spears.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753136.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753136.page GMT
That model suffered from the classic OTT feather helmet syndrome.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753137.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753137.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753139.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753139.page GMT
The Baltimore Battle Bunker WE HAVE THE NEW ISLE OF "BLOOD MINIATURES IN OUR CASE! THESE ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! NEW GRIFFON! NEW RAT OGRES! NEW EVERYTHING! YOU HAVE TO CHECK THESE MODELS OUT!"

No pics of course, that would be crazy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753254.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753282.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753282.page GMT [quote=unheilig/Warseer]its even far better than space hulk.
the swordmasters armor now has a samurai look to it. very badass.(...)
The seaguard models I saw looked brilliantly regimented. Bows strapped across backs.
Nothing on those sprues was less than brilliant.(...)
elf lord legs are sculpted into the griffon body... but other than that, there is very little "high elfy" armor bits or anything to remove.[/quote]
[quote=Czechsensation/Warseer]The Prince on Griffon is better than any METAL model GW has released... and it's snap fit!!!
Also the Elyrian Reavers are breathtaking, especially the champ...(...)
This should give you a good idea of the griffons pose:
http://greengriffons.com/images/griffon-blk.gif
Also the mage is phenomenal, and not to diss the Skaven, they are also ace. the Warlock engineer in paticular is top notch.[/quote]
[quote=bluemage/Warseer]The new high elves look much better then the current range. And the ellyrion reaver horses all look similiar to the horses from the chariot.[/quote]
[quote=BoyMac/MiniWarGaming ]It is High Elves and Skaven. They are all beautifully sculpted 1 or 2 piece models. The HE griffin is at least 4 inches long (it is in a flying position with arms and legs stretched out) and the wing span is at least 8 or 9 inches. The HE mage is on a beautiful base with him standing on some sort of magic ball or similar. The Skaven hero/lord is really nicely sculpted and can easily (extremely easily) be converted into Queek. All you really need to do is steal a chaos terminator trophy spike piece (or any other pointy chaos vehicle piece) and glue it on his back.[/quote]
[quote=Dingareth/Golden Throne]the Clanrats are just that- shield and spear/hand weapon. They are almost undistinguishable from the box that's out now, just that the shields are thicker, and are solid back to the body, unlike the current multi-part system.
Oh, and the [i](Elyrian)[/i] Champion was the one with the Kislev-ish row of feather behind his head, almost like a Dire Avenger and Hussar had a baby....(...)
Now there were a few things different from the rumors I heard- less models, no Globadiers, ect. but that could have simply been the box I was given.
So by all means, there may still be more, this is just what I've gotten a hold of- no mini-rule book or anything like that either.(...)
The [i](Griffon)[/i] wings are completely outstretched like the Dragon's, but no rock to stand on. They are pretty similar besides that though... [/quote]
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The Baltimore Battle Bunker WE HAVE THE NEW ISLE OF "BLOOD MINIATURES IN OUR CASE! THESE ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! NEW GRIFFON! NEW RAT OGRES! NEW EVERYTHING! YOU HAVE TO CHECK THESE MODELS OUT!"

No pics of course, that would be crazy.[/quote]
So go get us some pictures!

If I actually had a GW store within four hours of where I live, I'd have already gotten some for here. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753314.page GMT

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I do love that Griffon though!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753385.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753385.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753391.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753391.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753393.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753393.page GMT
The Baltimore Battle Bunker WE HAVE THE NEW ISLE OF "BLOOD MINIATURES IN OUR CASE! THESE ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! NEW GRIFFON! NEW RAT OGRES! NEW EVERYTHING! YOU HAVE TO CHECK THESE MODELS OUT!"

No pics of course, that would be crazy.[/quote]
So go get us some pictures!

If I actually had a GW store within four hours of where I live, I'd have already gotten some for here. [/quote]
I'll try, fellas . It's in range of me, easily, but depending on where the case is located it might be hard to snap a pic of 'em, with any quality, at least...
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753412.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753412.page GMT [quote=Max_Killfactor/Warseer]I just saw them.

Unless other stuff was hidden, this is all I think comes in the box:

10 Swordmasters with cmd
10 Sea Guard with cmd
5 Reavers (not sure about the cmd)
Griffon
Mage

20 Clanrats with hw and shield
20 Clanrats with spears and shield
1 warpfire thrower
1 poisoned wind mortar
2 rat ogres with master moulder (or maybe just a regular beast handler)
Warlord
Engineer

That's all I saw. I'm almost positive there's nothing else, so it's a little smaller than rumored.
(...)[i] (Question about any terrain included)[/i]
If there was, I didn't notice them.

The models are very nice though. I think the High Elf mage was the best of them. The Griffon was very cool also though.

The Skaven Warlord was like a mini Queek and the Engineer was aiming a pistol.

The Clanrats (could be slaves too, I guess) look very similar to the current boxed set. Looked like the shields are attached to the body.

The High Elf Seaguard look really good. They put the existing HE Spearmen to shame. [/quote]
[quote=stahly/Warseer]From all the descriptions, I guess in this picture are actually almost all starter set models hidden:

[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1090024a_P4Mb1.jpg[/img]

In the display cabinet on the left under the Screaming Bell and Plague Furnace there could be the noble on griffon (on a flying stand, wings spread), and in the cupboards on the right on lowermost shelves. The cavalry could be Elyrian Reavers, the next regiment could be Swordmasters (10 models), the next but one regiment Seaguard, from the four single models the second one definately is the new plastic mage (standing on a ball). For the Skaven there are two Rat Ogres and a handler, the next single model could be a Warlord or Engineer, then there are Queek, the Skweek Gnawtooth and Snikch, another single model that be a character of the starter set as well, a weapon team which very much looks like a mortar, two Clanrat regiments with spears and handweapons and another weapon team in between, just like the reported contents.

Maybe those who've seen the models yet can clarify?[/quote]
Just noticed that there is a Skaven painting tutorial on the wall. Let's hope that the starter box clan rats have the other leg in front, so that not 90% of every single Skaven army have the left foot in front.
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I didn't, but now I do!

And, I just picked it up, new in shrinkwrap from eBay for $22 w/ free shipping!

So, anyone want to buy/trade for an Eltharion rider model? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753624.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753624.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753660.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753660.page GMT
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And then it's all downhill?
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I've always thought that was GW's best (hippo/)griffin. It looked like a more natural pose and it looks like the sculptor actually looked at animal anatomy before they made it. The other (hippo/)griffins look like someone just copied the pose from just about any European coat of arms and then tacked on the most ridiculously OTT rider and chair they could think of. Those helmets on the others are so huge they look like the riders would break their necks the first time they flew into a strong headwind, and Eltharion looks like he took his favorite easy chair into battle. He should have a cup holder and a recliner mode.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753832.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753933.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1753933.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754015.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754015.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754050.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754050.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754116.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754116.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754199.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754202.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754202.page GMT GW today, even helped assemble the Skaven models. Must say the set is fantastically detailed. The griffin is definitely a sight to see, it's on a flying base and the pose is quite intimidating. The rat ogres in the picture above are indeed the two int he starter set, one screams HULK the other is quite the skyre/ninja master. High Elf mage is absolutely breathtaking, as is the skaven warlord. Warlocking engineer is pretty cool, nice big handgun. Swordmaster are very menacing, tall, lean, and dangerous! The Sea Guard have SEAWEED on them, but still looks great. Reavers are fantastic, hopefully people start using them more. Clanrats/Slaves are exactly as the new box set but shield is part of the body. Mortar, Warpfire thrower, and master moulder with warp prod are great looking, warpfire thrower has a little mouse caught on fire for base decoration!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754351.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754351.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754358.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754358.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754367.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754367.page GMT BOLS[/url]

I must say those Rogres look absolutely smexy for two part plastics. Feth the interchangeability, it only messes up models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754543.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754543.page GMT
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I have to say that a lot of people may be playing HE and Skaven if the models are that good.

Are they in the starter set?
really and truly?
If so fair play to GW.
Wish the Skull Pass had that quality

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754677.page GMT tbh what else could they be.

Really happy to start some Asur forces with those, and it might be a case of two boxes so I can convert one of the Griffons into a Mage on Griffon.

Even my wife thinks thats the best Rat Ogre she's seen by GW, so will be up for the Skaven.

Good times ahead. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754683.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754683.page GMT GW? This is how you guarantee purchases. Make decent models. No stinkers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754693.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754693.page GMT
High Elf Mage (also CaliforniaGamer on Warseer):
[img]http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=92520&d=1279355114[/img]
[quote=CaliforniaGamer]Found the HE mage, crappy somewhat out of focus shot because I was in a hurry at this point.

He appears to be standing a magic vortex/water/elemental swirl. Very dynamic, very cool. Was probably my favorite overall model outside the griffin.

The poster above me is correct: These models are so good they are incredibly out of place with the current line. Even putting them side by side for example the swordmaster is like 20% more bulky and filled out than the old pewter line version.

An army that is part Blood Island "bling" and part older plastic is would look very strange IMO.
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... and the best pics so fartaken by 3dken from BoLS:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8103/iphonedownload060.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2077/iphonedownload061a.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7691/iphonedownload062.jpg
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2908/iphonedownload063.jpg
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/2742/iphonedownload064.jpg
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/9536/iphonedownload065.jpg
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8060/iphonedownload066.jpg
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/7363/iphonedownload067.jpg
http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/2658/iphonedownload068.jpg

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I like the claws for forlegs, but not sure how the beastie would walk
Still looks grand though.
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Some very nice stuff in there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1754997.page GMT


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oh yeah is there a date of release yet??]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755006.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755006.page GMT
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY[/youtube]


these ase supurb, definatly going to try and start fantasy with high elves]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755010.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755010.page GMT BoLS mentioned she thought it was going to be $99 USD. I'm not sure where the source is from though.

I posted a cost comparison of buying the set versus the models alone. http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=5211&page=12

Here it is if you would like to see it. The only thing I couldn't find was the Globadier mortar, but I was told it was about $15-$18 USD on BoLS, so it just adds to the value of the box set.

So, here is my cost analysis of the High Elves based on eldargals report of the set being 99USD and what Max_Killfactor from Warseer wrote (pricing will be based on GW US prices before taxes)

"Max_Killfactor/Warseer wrote:
I just saw them.

Unless other stuff was hidden, this is all I think comes in the box:

10 Swordmasters with cmd
10 Sea Guard with cmd
5 Reavers (not sure about the cmd)
Griffon
Mage

10 Swordmasters with cmd = ($24.75 + $27.25 = $52)
10 Sea Guard with cms = ($35, with the idea that you just buy a standard box of 16 spear elves)
5 Reavers = ($61.25)
Griffon = ($35)
Mage = ($13.25)

Grand total worth = @ $196.50

And that's just the High Elves! Not including the Skaven. If this box set is truly $99 USD it's worth way more than $99.

Respectfully,
DarkAngelHopeful

P.S. I plan on buying a lot of extra HE models that anyone wants to ebay or whatever. I'm planning on doing the same with my Skaven.

Sorry for not posting this earlier, but here's the Skaven cost break down.

Based on what Max_Killfactor/Warseer wrote:

"20 Clanrats with hw and shield
20 Clanrats with spears and shield
1 warpfire thrower
1 poisoned wind mortar
2 rat ogres with master moulder (or maybe just a regular beast handler)
Warlord
Engineer"


20 Clanrats with hw and shield = ($33)
20 Clanrats with spears and shield ($33)
1 warpfire thrower = ($15)
1 poisoned wind mortar ($10, I think he may mean poisoned wind globadier?)
2 rat ogres with master moulder (or maybe just a regular beast handler) ($40?, not sure, I just found this http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1040496)
Warlord = ($15)
Engineer = ($13.25)

Grand total = @159.25

This isn't 100% accurate as you have to buy boxes of 16 spear elves not just 10 and I think the Rat Orge box kit has some extras that aren't in the Island of Blood, but it's pretty close.

By my numbers, the Final Grand total for both HE and Skaven in Island of blood is @$355.75 USD.
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God those Models are all good.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755022.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755022.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755028.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755028.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755032.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755033.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755033.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755035.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755035.page GMT
That griffin rider is simply ace. Ridiculously large helmet, per usual, but it's not as bad as older stuff.

Can't wait them to re-do the spearelf boxset.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755051.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755051.page GMT
I kinda see why you think that way.
Like I said above, how the hell do the walk when on the ground?

but cool will rule! The griffon is lithe and fierce. People will love it I reckon.


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Jin, there is an old saying from somewhere,
If you can't fight, where a big hat!

Chibi von Ten Gallon

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755055.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755055.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755057.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755057.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755061.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755061.page GMT HE way back. The spearmen looked strange on closer inspection, like there isnt something right about them.. but its more than the hands.. maybe the spears also? New models are amazing though..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755076.page GMT
It's chaos dwarfs and fishmen ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755098.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755098.page GMT
Who reviewed the Griffon as "horrible horrible horrible" or something earlier? Because...seriously, best beast rider GW have ever done, and one of the best I've seen period (allowing for certain restriction for sprue casting in the claws etc.).
There's something wonderfully stylised about it, it reminds me of Tenniel's Jabberwocky.
I imagine it walks awkwardly on the ground and is much more comfortable flying, as it should be.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755105.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755105.page GMT

Griffon rider is amazing. Anyone who says otherwise is a crazy person.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755148.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755148.page GMT imho

Sorry but had to express my surprise at GW's PR relations once more. Just scrap the clandestine silliness already!

Yeah I know the rumour mill gets people interested but so are these pics ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755157.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755157.page GMT
The rider is fine (if you ignore the usual large hat)

Elves:

Griffon on the other hand, seems very plain and basic, the pose looks ok, but somethings off with it.
Also hate the comical oversized claws on it with the long ass gangly arms.
And finally, the feathers just seem a bit flat and out of place, they make it stand out alot.

I prefer the metal empire one to be honest, but thats just me.


Rest of the elves look pretty good, have no complaints there.



Skaven:

Rat ogres have to be my biggest hate, simply for the comical sizes of areas.
Large body and arms, small legs and head. (well, tiny head)

Chief looks ok, except a bit of over crowding on his back, still good though.

Weapon teams are a bit plain, and the thrower seems tiny to what it was, but nothing too bad.

Everything else is good though, and the engineer is quality.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755160.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755160.page GMT
I think that is going to be a 'must buy' for me, given that I play Skaven too! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755183.page GMT UK GW staff have been told to not even talk about the contents, let alone show them, on pain of dismissal.

#NOrmally its disciplinary, not dismissal, so theyre being even more tight arsed than usual...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755195.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755195.page GMT
Why?

There's already a plastic Manicore

[img]http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Imperial_Guard_Manticore.jpg[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755267.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755267.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755314.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755331.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755331.page GMT
Although I'm a bit disappointed by the loss of the rumored 20 slaves and 5 globadiers. I'm going to have to reconsider buying the set (let alone the planned 4 copies).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755394.page GMT
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755448.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755448.page GMT I posted a cost comparison of buying the set versus the models alone. http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=5211&page=12

Here it is if you would like to see it. The only thing I couldn't find was the Globadier mortar, but I was told it was about $15-$18 USD on BoLS, so it just adds to the value of the box set.

Sorry for not posting this earlier, but here's the Skaven cost break down.

Based on what Max_Killfactor/Warseer wrote:

20 Clanrats with hw and shield = ($33)
20 Clanrats with spears and shield ($33)
1 warpfire thrower = ($15)
1 poisoned wind mortar ($10, I think he may mean poisoned wind globadier?)
2 rat ogres with master moulder (or maybe just a regular beast handler) ($40?, not sure, I just found this http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1040496)
Warlord = ($15)
Engineer = ($13.25)

Grand total = @159.25
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[quote=Kirasu]Not having to put together multi part clan rats = win for me.. I dont need customization on CLAN RATS.. I rather just take 5 seconds to put them together. The loss of the globadiers is a bit dissapointing, especially since it seems the skaven army is around [b]60$[/b] less of stuff

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Did anybody do the points up? It's still an awful lot of models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755476.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755476.page GMT
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And the Wind Mortar should probably be as much as the Weapon Team if not more. I guess it's only natural that some people can take exception to everything even when it's awesome.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755533.page GMT
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You're correct. I couldn't find what the cost of 2 Rat Ogres were. So, it's an approxamation. It's the same thing with the seaguard. I didn't pro-rate them I just put up the cost of a 16 spear elf box, since that's what they sell them in. But you are correct.


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[quote=whitedragon][quote=Kirasu]That grand total for skaven is incorrect since 2 rat ogres arent 40$.. Thats leaving out the giant rats as well that come in the kit
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And the Wind Mortar should probably be as much as the Weapon Team if not more. I guess it's only natural that some people can take exception to everything even when it's awesome.[/quote]

You're correct as well. I couldn't find the model on GW's site. I was told it's about $15-$18 USD. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755537.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755537.page GMT HE army is calling to me after all. My FLGS owner will be getting some of my money in September. Ugh. I need 2 jobs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755556.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755556.page GMT
The rider is fine (if you ignore the usual large hat)...

...Rat ogres have to be my biggest hate, simply for the comical sizes of areas.
Large body and arms, small legs and head. (well, tiny head)[/quote]

I love the tiny heads on the Rat Ogres, it's an inspired design decision and makes perfect sense (to me).

The overall quality of sculpting is some of the best they've done. It's the tiny details that impress me. Look at the Elven hands grasping the spears. The way the index finger is raised slightly further up the shaft is astounding attention to detail.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755574.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755574.page GMT int he group photo does he have the banners in the wrong group?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755639.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755639.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755645.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755645.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755678.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755678.page GMT
Those pictures got the standard bearers backwards. The one with the Swordmasters is a Sea Guard. The dragon shield (the shield period) gives it away. The bearer with the Sea Guard has the symbol of Hoeth on the standard, hence he's the Swordmaster one.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755687.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755687.page GMT HE, but the Skaven points should break down like this;
(this is the bare minimum going on WYSIWYG)

Chieftain - 45
Halberd - 2
sub-total - 47pts

Warlock Engineer - 15
Warplock Pistol - 8
sub-total - 23pts

20 Clanrats - 80
Spears & Shields - 20
Command Group - 20
sub-total - 120pts

20 Clanrats - 80
Shields - 10
Command Group - 20
sub-total - 110pts

2 Rat Ogres - 80
1 Packmaster (not shown yet but required by the rules) - 8
sub-total - 88pts

Weapon Teams;
Poisoned Wind Mortar - 65
Warpfire Thrower - 70
The other one that appears to be a Warpgrinder - 60
sub-total - 195pts

(this is odd, however as none of the revealed units can legally take a warpgrinder, if it is included we can look forward to some Gutter/Night Runners as well I assume)
EDIT: Actually, the 'warpgrinder' may in fact BE a packmaster, in which case the list would come to 523 points instead

Total - 583 points (assuming that guy is a warpgrinder)




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As for my views on the models;

Chieftain/Warlock - wow, just wow
Clanrats - almost identical to the multi-part ones, which I also like
Rat Ogres - Nice body, shame about the head
Weapon Teams - all fantastic and it's good to see a modernised WF thrower]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755699.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755739.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755739.page GMT
Those pictures got the standard bearers backwards. The one with the Swordmasters is a Sea Guard. The dragon shield (the shield period) gives it away. The bearer with the Sea Guard has the symbol of Hoeth on the standard, hence he's the Swordmaster one.[/quote]
I didn't notice the bearer having the Tower of Hoeth's symbol. The shield thing isn't a 100% give away though. Battle Standard Bearers can have 'em you know ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755747.page GMT
Yes, I know that it wouldn't make sense now, it just looke like the illustration of a warpgrinder from the Skaven Army Book :/


Still, I suppose nothing's to stop me kitbashing my own Master Moulder and then using that chappy as a warpgrinder, while I'm at it I can sort out some head swaps for those Rat Ogres ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755750.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755750.page GMT
Those pictures got the standard bearers backwards. The one with the Swordmasters is a Sea Guard. The dragon shield (the shield period) gives it away. The bearer with the Sea Guard has the symbol of Hoeth on the standard, hence he's the Swordmaster one.[/quote]
I didn't notice the bearer having the Tower of Hoeth's symbol. The shield thing isn't a 100% give away though. Battle Standard Bearers can have 'em you know [/quote]

True, but the symbols were a dead give away. That guy screamed Lothern Sea Guard.

HE point wise, it looks like the HQ alone has the Skaven beat. A Prince on Griffon would run around 400-450 points if not more, then the mage around another hundred. All in all, there has got to be 800-900 points of High Elves there if you fully kit the Hero's out. I'm just going off of memory though. My army book is on the other side of the world.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755770.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755778.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755778.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755782.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755922.page GMT [/quote]

Yeah, crack on Treebeard, let's see those pics.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755925.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755980.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755980.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755986.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755986.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1755992.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756033.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756033.page GMT And the fact that, along with a lumbering Ogre army, I intend to do a skaven army and my partner has an interest in doing elves has me quite excited.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756064.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756064.page GMT Until then, watch out for my upcoming Clan Nezumi (Nippon themed) Skaven army blog

[img]http://www.wizards.com/global/images/magic_bok_inkeyes_pic2_en.jpg[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756123.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756123.page GMT [quote=Kroothawk][quote=Melissia]Mn, those Skaven models might tempt me into actually making that yakuza-themed army sometime next year (I will not have the funds to do any serious collecting this year, sadly).[/quote]
Until then, watch out for my upcoming Clan Nezumi (Nippon themed) Skaven army blog

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Grrrr! that model costs arm and a leg now because skaven players keep bidding on it!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756142.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756142.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756159.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756159.page GMT

Im still thinking on an assassin based army, but with them not being able to lead, i guess i need a seer -_-
Deathmaster takes up enough points on his own :K]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756174.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756174.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756180.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756180.page GMT GW has made with it's starter set is pretty distant. I admit I'd love to paint those Elves, but I've got so much stuff to go through first.

This box will definitely draw a few more players out of 40K for a while.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756185.page GMT lol.

Only thing with the Griffon I dislike is how low it's flying, but that's not a problem =P]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756198.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756198.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756214.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756214.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756225.page GMT
It's a Magic the Gathering illustration. I don't recall a model based on it ever being made.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756321.page GMT
The rider is fine (if you ignore the usual large hat)

Elves:

Griffon on the other hand, seems very plain and basic, the pose looks ok, but somethings off with it.
Also hate the comical oversized claws on it with the long ass gangly arms.
And finally, the feathers just seem a bit flat and out of place, they make it stand out alot.
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I can see and to an extent agree with all your complaints. They just don't bother me. Although admittedly, partly that's because I never had any interest in making a HElf army with a griffin anyway, it was the Ellysians, Swordmasters, and Seaguard that interested me. I almost wonder if the exaggerated claws were an attempt at forced perspective foreshortening. If you look at the griffin head-on, do the claws look right?

I was very worried when someone said the swordmasters looked like samurai. Luckily it appears that poster's interpretation of "look like samurai" is quite different from mine. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756384.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756384.page GMT
It's a Magic the Gathering illustration. I don't recall a model based on it ever being made.[/quote]
It is "Ink Eyes" from the second Kamigawa Magic Edition. No 28mm scale model, but a 7" model (that I own ).
It is the inspiration for my Skaven army.

[img]http://www.warp9.nl/store/images/uploads/InkEyes.jpg[/img]

BTW there is still a very small hope that a 6th sprue is missing from the black box but included in the starter.
It would contain 10 Lothern Seaguard, 20 slaves, 5 Globardiers and some terrain.

Minor critique on the Griffon: It actually has a Hawk or Falcon head. An eagles beak is much longer, but these are details.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756445.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756445.page GMT OOP High Elves I am looking at on my kitchen table could have gained some value ? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756464.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756464.page GMT SD card to get the pics off my phone (since emailing didn't work for some reason) but it's a high capacity card, and my old reader won't recognize it ! So I'll have to get a new one, but I'll get there

Also, info that's probably already posted, but from talking to the GW staff and looking at the models: the 10 swordmasters are all one piece, and the 10 lothern sea guard are bodies in one piece, arm separate. There are only 10 LSG :-/.

The griffon is a bit fugly, imho, but if you go in with low expectations and think about converting the front claws (which are GIGANTIC) then it's not bad. The poisoned wind mortar is also very disappointing (I got a good pic of this one). The high elves are, overall, completely fantastic imho, and the skaven look good, too! The high elf mage is [i]incredible[/i].

Contents from what I saw:

-High elf on Griffon
-10 Swordmasters
-10 Lothern Sea Guard
-5 Ellyrian Reavers
-Mage

-Skaven hero (looks like Qetek Headtaker)
-Skaven hero (looks like a clan skyre model)
-2 rat ogres and 1 handler
-40 clanrats
-poisoned wind mortar weapons team
-warpfire thrower? weapons team (didn't get a great look at this one)

Pics tomorrow!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756479.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756479.page GMT
The griffon is a bit fugly, imho, but if you go in with low expectations and think about converting the front claws (which are GIGANTIC) then it's not bad.[/quote]

I'm very sorry to hear about your terrible medical condition the prevents you from seeing awesome. It must be very difficult.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756523.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756523.page GMT touche!

It wasn't my cup of tea, but I'll grant that others might like it . Unfortunately I couldn't get a great pic of it either, since it was in the process of being painted, but it looks like others have done so. Imho it's like a B-level movie- go in with low expectations, and you'll like it. Go in thinking it's going to be the best thing since sliced bread, and you'll hate it. So if I've lowered expectations for those who haven't seen the pics yet, then I'll have done what I was aiming for! If I'd been expecting a bit less, I think I would have liked it... it's just that griffons are so cool, I think it could have been much more.

Edit: I also see you've just started posting this month after being a member for 2 years! That's good, since from glancing at your posts (I was curious if the above incited you so much that you came out of lurking, but you already had!) I think you've got some great things to say... and apparently really like the griffon model
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It wasn't my cup of tea, but I'll grant that others might like it . Unfortunately I couldn't get a great pic of it either, since it was in the process of being painted, but it looks like others have done so. Imho it's like a B-level movie- go in with low expectations, and you'll like it. Go in thinking it's going to be the best thing since sliced bread, and you'll hate it. So if I've lowered expectations for those who haven't seen the pics yet, then I'll have done what I was aiming for! If I'd been expecting a bit less, I think I would have liked it... it's just that griffons are so cool, I think it could have been much more.

Edit: I also see you've just started posting this month after being a member for 2 years! That's good, since from glancing at your posts (I was curious if the above incited you so much that you came out of lurking, but you already had!) I think you've got some great things to say... and apparently really like the griffon model
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I think it has character, which a lot of GW monsters have lacked for a very long time. Choosing to stylise something a little more is always going to be polarising to the customer base, but I think a slight shift from very generic fantasy monsters is a good thing.
The way the feathers are sculpted could lead to some amazing paint jobs or complete disasters depending on how the painter chooses to tackle them.

(I've actually been posting on Dakka for about a decade, I've just been on hiatus. I used to be quite vocal in the very early '00s but I don't think many people are still around from that era.)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756557.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756557.page GMT
[quote=plastictrees]
(I've actually been posting on Dakka for about a decade, I've just been on hiatus. I used to be quite vocal in the very early '00s but I don't think many people are still around from that era.)[/quote]

I am, although I posted under another name. Nice to see you back, 'trees.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756651.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756651.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756706.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756706.page GMT [/quote]

Aye I can understand that sentiment.

Looking at one/two Blood boxes, and a battalion of Skaven and High Elves each.

I just hope the Druchii 2nd wave doesn't raise its head yet. Oh plus my other half will want Dark Eldar if released.

Gone from, GW spend pretty much done for the year, to Credit card getting a kamikaze head band ready. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756913.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756913.page GMT
It's a Magic the Gathering illustration. I don't recall a model based on it ever being made.[/quote]
It is "Ink Eyes" from the second Kamigawa Magic Edition. No 28mm scale model, but a 7" model (that I own ).
It is the inspiration for my Skaven army.

[img]http://www.warp9.nl/store/images/uploads/InkEyes.jpg[/img][/quote]

It's an official model? With WotC's stamp of approval? I happen to know Hasbro lawyers tend to go about that kind of thing with zeal that GW IP dept could only dream to achieve.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756996.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1756996.page GMT Fantasy is getting better and better. Good job GW.
After years of taking a break from Fantasy, the new trolls, new edition and now the quality of this starter really got me back into swords and magic and silly huge regiments wars.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1757086.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1757086.page GMT GW IP dept could only dream to achieve.[/quote]
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/arcana/751 although links now defunct.

http://www.geeks-paradise.com/en/figures/335-magic-the-gathering-ink-eyes-servant-of-oni-25cm-resin.html

[quote=NAVARRO]These models are pure win!
Fantasy is getting better and better. Good job GW.
After years of taking a break from Fantasy, the new trolls, new edition and now the quality of this starter really got me back into swords and magic and silly huge regiments wars.[/quote]
Time to adapt and evolve, Master Moulder Navarro
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Wow! That model is bitchin'!

So, um, where do you live so I can stop by and admire the model? I won't rob you at gunpoint or anything, pinky swear! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1757154.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1757154.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1757714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1757714.page GMT
I may have to break my oath to not buy the Starter set, purely for those gorgeous Rat Ogres.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1757790.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1757790.page GMT
Can't wait to see these models fully painted.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1757842.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1757842.page GMT SD card and card reader later, here are the pics I was able to take

For the skaven, the first picture is mostly of clanrats, and in the second you can see some interesting models- the handler for the rat ogres in the center, and some sort of small hero on the right, as well as the warpfire thrower at the very back. The model similar to Qetek is in front and slightly out of focus. The last picture is of the poisoned wind mortar, which looked a little disappointing, I thought.

[url=http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/121544-Clanrats.html][img]http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/7/18/121544_sm-Clanrats.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/121545-Various%20Skaven.html][img]http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/7/18/121545_sm-Various%20Skaven.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/121546-Poisoned%20Wind%20Mortar.html][img]http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/7/18/121546_sm-Poisoned%20Wind%20Mortar.jpg[/img][/url]

For the high elves, the first picture is of the Ellyrian Reavers which were in the case. Unfortunately the other models were in the process of being painted, so the second is a cropped image from far away of the mage, LSG, and swordmasters (10 each). The third shot is a pathetic one of the griffon perhaps revealing how I feel about it? It was the hardest to get a shot of since they were actively painting it at the time.

[url=http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/121547-Ellyrian%20Reavers.html][img]http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/7/18/121547_sm-Ellyrian%20Reavers.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/121564-Far%20Shot%20of%20LSG%20and%20Swordmasters%20Cropped.html][img]http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/7/18/121564-Far%20Shot%20of%20LSG%20and%20Swordmasters%20Cropped.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/121565-Far%20Shot%20of%20Griffon%20Cropped.html][img]http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2010/7/18/121565-Far%20Shot%20of%20Griffon%20Cropped.jpg[/img][/url]

I hope it helped a bit, even if it is late . Also, the images are in the Dakka gallery as the original size (which are much larger) so you can click on the above pics to see them there and zoom in on anything you want to see more detail of (at least a bit, although it's limited by my poor phone camera resolution).
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Still not sure: Is there any starter box clan rat with its right foot in front? All current clan rats and storm vermin have their left foot in front.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758238.page GMT Lol, the griffin shot looks like a UFO photo

Well done for perservering anyway RiTides. I quite wanted to see the Clanrat banners from the side (they are different from the current Clanrat box), so good work

Those Ellyrian Reavers are such a quantum leap forward from the previous models. I think it's a tie between these fellows and the Rat Ogres for best model in the box.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758239.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758239.page GMT Never really played WHFB, nor do i know anyone who does.
Decided to make an order anyway to get me ready lol.

Skaven armies book
Snikch (just love the model)
Screaming bell
Doomwheel
Battleforce box
Few paints


Shouldnt have done it, but decided i need to play WHFB lol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758314.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758314.page GMT
Still, I'm sure there will be plenty of good deals to be had in able to boost those numbers!
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The skull pass gobbo's are currently around £8 for 20 models, compared to the unit from GW at £20.

Since this box contains tons more models, the prices will be a bit lower, so expect to pay £5 at the very most for 10 seaguard after a week or so lol.

Griffon will be floating around £10 or so (like the black reach dread)



All in all, you should be able to go out and spend £100 and snag atleast 2,000 points easily.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758416.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758416.page GMT Sorry if someone has already posted it to..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758509.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758520.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758520.page GMT


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Keeeeeen as for this release. HE will be the new 40k space marines I think, the amount of armies will multiply like, well, rats.
Ironic? I think so. Damn Games Workshop.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1758565.page GMT GW pull off such uniformly quality release.

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[quote=Flashman]Lol, the griffin shot looks like a UFO photo [/quote]
Lol . I guess I wasn't really sure if I was [i]allowed[/i] to take pictures... and didn't want to ask, since if they'd said no, the drive would be for nothing, and I couldn't then very well take pictures while "checking text messages" without arousing suspicion .

Given that the griffon spent most of its time while I was there in the hands of a GW staffer painting it, that was the best I could do . Luckily, there are good shots of it elsewhere... I'm glad the clanrats regiment was a little bit helpful! (Although it does look like they're all left-footed, Kroothawk :-/) The picture of the ellyrian reavers came out the best, probably because they primed them white. I just wish the other high elf stuff had been in the case... it looks splendid, imho!
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Think there is going to big a huge increase in HE players. Not only cause of the Pure Win that is contained within the Starter box but also because of the 8e rules.

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However, given that there's supposed to be some 200 something models slated for release in Fall/Winter--most of which are supposedly Fantasy releases--I think they're trying to avoid it being an "Oooh! Shiny things!" event.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759156.page GMT

I like this, this makes me happy.

Do you have any idea what armies are scheduled for release? I know TK, Brettonians, Ogres and WE need a new book, but do you know which ones will be coming soonest?
Sincerely hope it is Bret's, I love those guys.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759186.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759186.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759193.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759201.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759201.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759210.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759210.page GMT




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[quote=Jake Bake A Cake]
Think there is going to big a huge increase in HE players. Not only cause of the Pure Win that is contained within the Starter box but also because of the 8e rules.

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U mad Jake? Hahaa.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759225.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759225.page GMT AoBR Warbosses.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759390.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759390.page GMT
However, given that there's supposed to be some 200 something models slated for release in Fall/Winter--most of which are supposedly Fantasy releases--I think they're trying to avoid it being an "Oooh! Shiny things!" event.[/quote]
Most are paints getting a new pot and a new number.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759395.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759395.page GMT New elf and skaven models look whicked, i'm new to fantasy (well new to all tabletop wargaming but i aint played fantasy at all yet) but planned on starting an elf army (i have only 3 kits thus far and not enough for a legal force). Quallity of all the minis in the new boxed set look outstanding, shame i've gotta wait till september! but i think one of my gaming group is thinking of going skaven so a going half's plan may have to be hatched!
I'm going to be skint this winter. But nice and busy with lots to paint.
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However, given that there's supposed to be some 200 something models slated for release in Fall/Winter--most of which are supposedly Fantasy releases--I think they're trying to avoid it being an "Oooh! Shiny things!" event.[/quote]
Most are paints getting a new pot and a new number.[/quote]

Huh!

Talk about a 'bait and switch' style let down!

Paints with new pots taking up most of the 'massive' list?

Massive letdown! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759719.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759719.page GMT
However, given that there's supposed to be some 200 something models slated for release in Fall/Winter--most of which are supposedly Fantasy releases--I think they're trying to avoid it being an "Oooh! Shiny things!" event.[/quote]
Most are paints getting a new pot and a new number.[/quote]

Huh!

Talk about a 'bait and switch' style let down!

Paints with new pots taking up most of the 'massive' list?

Massive letdown! [/quote]

Have the paints not already been done? Yorks GW have some of the new pots in already, hardly makes for a autum/winter release given they are on the shelves in summer!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759770.page GMT I think people are jumping too much on this news of stuff for all the other armies, as aside from the Skaven, the rest are just army boxes like they release every Christmas. Don't expect 5+ armies across two games to get several new kits/blisters at the same time. [/quote]
So it is White Lions, Phoenix Guard, Dragon Princes and a new batallion as the 4 new plastic boxes plus some metal characters.
[quote=Scryer in the Darkness]What you've got to understand is the product lists I get are months in advance (possibly the furthest in advance of anyone on the internets) and in this case there are some 200 products that I think cover near everything up to the end of the year. To repeat myself from the High Elves thread: there are entries covering everything from all the High Elves and Skaven releases to Empire, Lizardmen, Dwarves, Orcs & Goblins, all the upcoming LOTR stuff, Space Marines, Orks, Dark Eldar, Scenery, all the new Paints, Hobby, Direct Only goodies, not mention all the Black Library stuff and a whole slew of codes I don't even know what they are - seem to be in the same vein as the specialty items like the Engineers' Ranging Set and Limited Skull Dice, etc.(...)
It's not so much new paints as new paint pots.[/quote]
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However, given that there's supposed to be some 200 something models slated for release in Fall/Winter--most of which are supposedly Fantasy releases--I think they're trying to avoid it being an "Oooh! Shiny things!" event.[/quote]
Most are paints getting a new pot and a new number.[/quote]

Huh!

Talk about a 'bait and switch' style let down!

Paints with new pots taking up most of the 'massive' list?

Massive letdown! [/quote]

Have the paints not already been done? Yorks GW have some of the new pots in already, hardly makes for a autum/winter release given they are on the shelves in summer![/quote]

Paints are done, it's just as they run out of the old they'll get new pots instead

I think some of that though will be christmas specials but thats still alot of suff]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759969.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759969.page GMT
However, given that there's supposed to be some[b] 200 something models slated for release in Fall/Winter[/b]--most of which are supposedly Fantasy releases--I think they're trying to avoid it being an "Oooh! Shiny things!" event.[/quote]
Most are paints getting a new pot and a new number.[/quote]

Huh!

Talk about a 'bait and switch' style let down!

Paints with new pots taking up most of the 'massive' list?

Massive letdown! [/quote]

Have the paints not already been done? Yorks GW have some of the new pots in already, hardly makes for a autum/winter release given they are on the shelves in summer![/quote]

Paints are done, it's just as they run out of the old they'll get new pots instead

I think some of that though will be christmas specials but thats still alot of suff[/quote]

Thats kinda my pont they have already been done so they should not be part of the 200 new items planned for autum/winter as they are already out. not that i know anything just seams odd to lump them in with that release period if they are already out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1759999.page GMT I think people are jumping too much on this news of stuff for all the other armies, as aside from the Skaven, the rest are just army boxes like they release every Christmas. Don't expect 5+ armies across two games to get several new kits/blisters at the same time. [/quote]
So it is White Lions, Phoenix Guard, Dragon Princes and a new batallion as the 4 new plastic boxes plus some metal characters.
[quote=Scryer in the Darkness]What you've got to understand is the product lists I get are months in advance (possibly the furthest in advance of anyone on the internets) and in this case there are some 200 products that I think cover near everything up to the end of the year. To repeat myself from the High Elves thread: there are entries covering everything from all the High Elves and Skaven releases to Empire, Lizardmen, Dwarves, Orcs & Goblins, all the upcoming LOTR stuff, Space Marines, Orks, Dark Eldar, Scenery, all the new Paints, Hobby, Direct Only goodies, not mention all the Black Library stuff and a whole slew of codes I don't even know what they are - seem to be in the same vein as the specialty items like the Engineers' Ranging Set and Limited Skull Dice, etc.(...)
It's not so much new paints as new paint pots.[/quote]
[/quote]
Where's the source on that?

Because they never count battalions as part of the overall box count for an army, and if they missed the opportunity to release updated basic infantry they're shooting themselves in the foot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760158.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760158.page GMT
Still not sure: Is there any starter box clan rat with its right foot in front? All current clan rats and storm vermin have their left foot in front.[/quote]



Best foot (or paw) forward mate!



Anyway, I do like the Gryphon, but not it's pose, reminds me of this;

[img]http://asset.soup.io/asset/0608/3016_c24d.jpeg[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760403.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760403.page GMT
Because they never count battalions as part of the overall box count for an army, and if they missed the opportunity to release updated basic infantry they're shooting themselves in the foot.[/quote]
Again, we are not talking about an official GW announcement that there will be 4 plastic boxes.
We are talking about Scryer browsing the GW website for secret pages made in anticipation of future releases, revealing the product code. The product code has encrypted whether it is a plastic box, a metal box, a metal blister, a book or something special. All paints get a new product code to differentiate them from the paints with the old pot. Scryer found out that HE will get 4 plastic boxes. Batallions also count as plastic boxes. Special Xmas bundels of plastic models in a new box also count as plastic boxes. So the 200+ new products until end of the year make more sense.

BTW they are shooting themselves in the foot on a regular basis: Just have a look at the last Dark Elf release or the Skaven Night Runners, to point out two extreme examples.
[quote=deejaybainbridge][quote=FM Ninja 048][quote=deejaybainbridge][quote=Alpharius][quote=Kroothawk][quote=Kanluwen]I sincerely doubt that High Elves are going to become the "Space Marines"...but there will be an increase, I'm sure.

However, given that there's supposed to be some[b] 200 something models slated for release in Fall/Winter[/b]--most of which are supposedly Fantasy releases--I think they're trying to avoid it being an "Oooh! Shiny things!" event.[/quote]
Most are paints getting a new pot and a new number.[/quote]

Huh!

Talk about a 'bait and switch' style let down!

Paints with new pots taking up most of the 'massive' list?

Massive letdown! [/quote]

Have the paints not already been done? Yorks GW have some of the new pots in already, hardly makes for a autum/winter release given they are on the shelves in summer![/quote]

Paints are done, it's just as they run out of the old they'll get new pots instead

I think some of that though will be christmas specials but thats still alot of suff[/quote]

Thats kinda my pont they have already been done so they should not be part of the 200 new items planned for autum/winter as they are already out. not that i know anything just seams odd to lump them in with that release period if they are already out.[/quote]
BTW I hate monster quotes! You can quote me on that!
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760405.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760405.page GMT
But it still doesn't make sense for them to count a battalion as a new plastic box--even if they could make a nice new battalion using some of the new stuff.

Especially if most of the new stuff is Special/Rare choices.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760486.page GMT BTW they are shooting themselves in the foot on a regular basis: Just have a look at the last Dark Elf release or the Skaven Night Runners, to point out two extreme examples.
[/quote]

Wait - what do you mean here?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760561.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760561.page GMT [quote=Alpharius][quote=Kroothawk]
BTW they are shooting themselves in the foot on a regular basis: Just have a look at the last Dark Elf release or the Skaven Night Runners, to point out two extreme examples.
[/quote]
Wait - what do you mean here?[/quote]
They missed the opportunity to update the Dark Elf Warriors (and Dark Riders), who look gross next to the new Corsairs or Knights.
They missed the opportunity to update the Night Runners, who look gross next to the new Clan Rats and Storm vermin.
Now they seem to miss the opportunity to update the Spearmen and Bowmen.
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95% of this page is repetition
a hungry zombie rat stuffed down the pants for the next person to multiquote.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760826.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760826.page GMT [quote=Alpharius][quote=Kroothawk]
BTW they are shooting themselves in the foot on a regular basis: Just have a look at the last Dark Elf release or the Skaven Night Runners, to point out two extreme examples.
[/quote]
Wait - what do you mean here?[/quote]
They missed the opportunity to update the Dark Elf Warriors (and Dark Riders), who look gross next to the new Corsairs or Knights.
They missed the opportunity to update the Night Runners, who look gross next to the new Clan Rats and Storm vermin.
Now they seem to miss the opportunity to update the Spearmen and Bowmen.
[/quote]

Ah - now I get ya!

And, I do agree with you!

The Gorilla Handed Spear Wielders of Doom really had to go.

I loved the older plastic Spearmen and Archers, in all their static mono-pose glory!

But that was many, many editions ago!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760984.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1760984.page GMT GW involving the Dark Riders has them converted from the Wood Elf Glade Riders

There's no kit option that can even remotely be used to do that for High Elves, barring buying hundreds of crew figures from Chariots+Bolt Throwers and then scratchbuilding the Reavers.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761099.page GMT
Phoenix Guard, White Lions, Dragon Princes and a Reinforcement Battalion with all the new goodies in. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761205.page GMT So it is White Lions, Phoenix Guard, Dragon Princes and a new batallion as the 4 new plastic boxes plus some metal characters.[/quote]
[quote=Bloodthirster]The four plastic boxes are;
Phoenix Guard, White Lions, Dragon Princes and a Reinforcement Battalion with all the new goodies in. [/quote]
Erm ... yes
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So take it with a huge grain of salt.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761305.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761305.page GMT So it is White Lions, Phoenix Guard, Dragon Princes and a new batallion as the 4 new plastic boxes plus some metal characters.[/quote]
[quote=Bloodthirster]The four plastic boxes are;
Phoenix Guard, White Lions, Dragon Princes and a Reinforcement Battalion with all the new goodies in. [/quote]
Erm ... yes
[/quote]

Sorry I'm half asleep, long day. Anyone else think it's funny that Skaven and HE waves have been planned almost dtraight after the starter had been released?

Oh and thanks for pointing that out Kroothawk.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761432.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761432.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761503.page GMT I guess you haven't seen the new daemons.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761542.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761542.page GMT DP's are ok not that great but work]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761563.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761568.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761568.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761578.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761578.page GMT
As opposed to throwing it all out (6 boxes?), having big interest for a while, then not much interesting to draw people in for years and very little to release with a book.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761580.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761580.page GMT
It killed any excitement I had for High Elves too. As long as those stupid core models are at the center of it, count me out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761590.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761590.page GMT
It killed any excitement I had for High Elves too. As long as those stupid core models are at the center of it, count me out.[/quote]

Huh.

So, GW should plan their moves around... Kanluwen?!?

I have to agree though - the Spearmen and Archers should have been redone, if we talking purely aesthetic reasons...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761604.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761604.page GMT GW drone who buys everything because it's GW"...yes ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761623.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761623.page GMT DP's are ok not that great but work[/quote]

I like juggs, but not into the DPs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761652.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761652.page GMT DP's are ok not that great but work[/quote]

I like juggs, but not into the DPs.[/quote]

QFT.
Actually come to think of is that Jugg is the only really good model hey.
Daemonettes, a little too, static? for a fast cavalry type unit, and the Daemon prince i think only effectively models a Khorne daemon.
Maybe a few dif torso/leg combos? eg plague-ish torso, Jabba-the-hutt style lower half for Nurgle, nipples and extra tongues for Slaanesh. Crazy eyes/random mutations and feather wings for Tzeentch.
Bit of a fail as far as all round kits go.

Those little flamer guys are pretty cool, but like its been said, a tad cartoonish? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761737.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761737.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761780.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761780.page GMT DP's are ok not that great but work[/quote]

I like juggs, but not into the DPs.[/quote]

I'm sure you meant to put it like that, didn't you?

Anyway, I agree!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761786.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761786.page GMT HE actually scheduled to be released in October? Or is this all speculation?
I'm genuinely interested lol, cause I was thinking of starting a pointy eared army.

Oh and from what I can gather, the releases will be plastic Phoenix Guard, White Lions, Dragon Princes and a new battalion, is this also correct?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761836.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761836.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761840.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761840.page GMT DPs.[/quote]

I'm sure you meant to put it like that, didn't you?

Anyway, I agree![/quote]

Like what?

We're just talking about toy soldiers, right? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761915.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761915.page GMT Don't think they are John

[quote]I am seriously going to have to get my hands on those[/quote] ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761944.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761944.page GMT
So about those jugs... lol.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761965.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761965.page GMT
The spears though....totally agree that they could use a revamp.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761988.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1761988.page GMT
[img]http://www.evicerator.com/evicerator/pictures/warhammer/trades/highelfarchers.jpg[/img]

to this:

[img]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15/kp13/Dakka%20Pics/m490859_99120210004_HighElvesArcher.jpg[/img]


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762032.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762032.page GMT
But once you start mixing them in amongst everything else?

They show their age like Hulk Hogan.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762033.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762033.page GMT They are highly disciplined archers loosing a deadly volley againt the rodent hoardes.

Good grief
I ought to be in politics!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762044.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762145.page GMT GW likes to screw up proportions ("Heroic" FTW) the rope should at least be the size of the bow.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762205.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762205.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762321.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762321.page GMT
Bowstrings moulded in would look very silly.
Munchy is right they would break and look sillier.
It just adds unecessary complications and expense to the moulding process.

They are elves loading and shooting arrers so fast the bowstring can't be seen by the human eye, especially given the scale! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762689.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762689.page GMT Mmm I don't mind the archers I can live with them, the Spearmen, now that is when they need a fix. Their fists are larger than their faces.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762713.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1762713.page GMT Rat Ogres - Nice body, shame about the head
[/quote]

LOL]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1763372.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1763372.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1764076.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1764076.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1764091.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1764091.page GMT
(Checks thread expiration date - yup, it is getting close!)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1764246.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1764246.page GMT
For me, most of the problem is the headgear. I don't know whose idea it was to put metal cheek-guards on elf heads but IMHO it ruins them. Firstly because it pads out the face and makes them look like they don't have elvish proportions. It looks like a bunch of chubby halfling heads. Then they couldn't stand to leave them with simple circlets holding up the chubby-cheek guards, so most of them have ridiculous plumage or giant crescent moons tacked on. It doesn't say "high-elven elegance" to me, it says "we'd like to fire in 2 ranks but I can't see over your helmet!"

I could quibble with the hand size (though they don't look as bad as the spearelves, and the spearelves' real problem is the huge hafts on the spears that require enormous hands to hold it. The spears are almost as big around as the spearelves' armoured forearms!) and the puffed-out chests, but really if they just had completely different heads I would be totally happy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1765970.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1765970.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1766553.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1766553.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1766605.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1766605.page GMT Do you have pics?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1768024.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1768024.page GMT GW's minature ranges.

I think someone might have been made fun of after gym class, way back in the day...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1768081.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1768081.page GMT GW's minature ranges.

I think someone might have been made fun of after gym class, way back in the day...[/quote]

Yeah, but check out the girth of my weapon!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1768191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1768191.page GMT TO COME OUT!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1769558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1769558.page GMT Do you have pics?[/quote]
Ya, this I would very much like to see.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1770156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1770156.page GMT GW site in today's blog. 74 minis - confirms what we have seen is it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1773311.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1773311.page GMT http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=11500028a :

[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1330107a_2010-07-23_1_873x627.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1330109a_2010-07-23_2_873x627.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1330111a_2010-07-23_3_873x627.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1330113a_2010-07-23_4_873x627.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1330115a_2010-07-23_5_873x627.jpg[/img]

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1773446.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1773446.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1773632.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1773632.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1774060.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1774060.page GMT Me neither, the models all look pretty cool. And there's lots of them. The question is do i want another army...? I have loads already after all.

I think i'll see if i can sell the skaven to a skaven player for roughly the cost of the box set? Talking about cost does ayone know how much it'll be? Im guessing in the range of £50 somewhere.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1774596.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1774596.page GMT AoBR for Warhammer. pretty awesome. I hope they do more sets like this for other races (of both games) instead of 1 per rules update =\]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1774925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1774925.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1774954.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1774954.page GMT
That is because we cried bloody murder when B4M had big scenery which took the space of more models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1775101.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1775101.page GMT BfSP two years ago to the day.. and this is torture.. 40k has got me hooked but when i'm back in a FaDa GuoJia i'll definitely consider it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1775699.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1775699.page GMT
That is because we cried bloody murder when B4M had big scenery which took the space of more models.[/quote]
Exactly. Although it was the scenarios in Battle for Maccarage that got me into 40k i wouldn't have been happy with it, or bought it for that matter, if it were in place of AoBR today. IIRC it had about 8 SM and 20 tyranids. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1775740.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1775740.page GMT GW "Must refrain from showing decent shots of models despite the fact they are all over the internet already."

Gaming community "Sigh!"

Is there any fluff to this Island of Blood malarkey? AoBR was noticeably devoid of any scenarios (although they did appear in WD). Kind of curious as to where this Island of Blood is and why Skaven and High Elves are fighting over it. It doesn't look like there is a predominance of blood in the surrounding topography.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1775810.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1775810.page GMT GW created two dark grim worlds and gives it this fluffy bright cartoony box art. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1775922.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1775922.page GMT
It's just a name.


It's actually really a peninsula.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776185.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776212.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776212.page GMT GW. Damn them all. That's me now stripping the paint off all my old 5th edition High Elves and quite possibly, me getting back into Fantasy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776215.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776215.page GMT

only joking please don't shoot!

Boxart is a bit naff but seems similar to the Skull Pass box and it won't put people off.

What tickled me was the comment on the Website, about how he took ages to take the lid off, too busy weighing it in his hands. Groping the box? What a pervert.
Who the feck does that! I mean who doesn't rip the lid off and dive right in with sprue cutters like Edward Scissorhands on speed? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776267.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776267.page GMT Me neither, the models all look pretty cool. And there's lots of them. The question is do i want another army...? I have loads already after all.

I think i'll see if i can sell the skaven to a skaven player for roughly the cost of the box set? Talking about cost does ayone know how much it'll be? Im guessing in the range of £50 somewhere.[/quote]

Why wouldn't the skaven player just buy the box set then...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776268.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776268.page GMT GW created two dark grim worlds and gives it this fluffy bright cartoony box art. [/quote]

Looks like another Dave Gallagher painting to me. Island of Blood is aimed at new players and parents at Christmas/birthdays etc so it can't look too grim/dark. Personally I don't like the way everything has to be so fracking dark dark dark and more dark these days. I mean Chaos is supposed to want to turn the world into one eternal battle and it looks like they've succeeded. I mean is there any part of the Warhammer world that is worth fighting for now? I get that they need a reason for the conflicts but the latest blurbs just seems to promote an all out apocalyptic world full of anarchy. It makes it very hard to come up with anything truly shocking or anything worth fighting to protect or defend. I prefer a Warhammer where the forces of destruction gnaw at the edge of the world than one where they seem to have overrun it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776481.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776481.page GMT I mean, I resisted the plastic doomwheel. I resisted the new clanrats. I resisted the screaming bell, for god's sake. But now, cheap plastics that come in the starter, and an amazing skaven warlord? Sigh. I guess I'm starting Skaven. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776525.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776525.page GMT 40K. They're always shouting about something and there's always something giant in the background."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776532.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776532.page GMT GW "Must refrain from showing decent shots of models despite the fact they are all over the internet already."

Gaming community "Sigh!"

Is there any fluff to this Island of Blood malarkey? AoBR was noticeably devoid of any scenarios (although they did appear in WD). Kind of curious as to where this Island of Blood is and why Skaven and High Elves are fighting over it. It doesn't look like there is a predominance of blood in the surrounding topography.[/quote]
IIRC, the Island of Blood is an island in the Ulthuan chain. The High Elves don't have alot of territory as it is, so there going to do everything to stop vermin from taking it. Also, they're High Elves! Everything about them is pride. They aren't going to sit around drinkin tea while another part of their lives is teared away. The Skaven are probably fighting over it to expand their under empire and dominate the world. Also, a new island means untainted and untapped genetic, mineral, and other resources to use and tamper with. Maybe a grey seer had a vision of the horned rat coming to that island. There's a bunch of reasons you could make up for why the skaven are fighting.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776544.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776544.page GMT Me neither, the models all look pretty cool. And there's lots of them. The question is do i want another army...? I have loads already after all.

I think i'll see if i can sell the skaven to a skaven player for roughly the cost of the box set? Talking about cost does ayone know how much it'll be? Im guessing in the range of £50 somewhere.[/quote]

Why wouldn't the skaven player just buy the box set then...[/quote]
Ssssh! The skaven player might hear you! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776560.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776560.page GMT

I don't really like either army, but if I had to choose, I'd play Skaven...More models=Less cost for real army... Is it stupid to play skaven though? Would I be a band-wagon jumper if I picked them up? People seem to be playing skaven like crazy now..]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776696.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776696.page GMT
Buying into Skaven cos they are new and shiny doesn't seem a practical way of doing things.
Better to save your cash for something that really grabs you imho.
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I really want to play bretonnians (or Tomb kings, or possibly Vampire counts). Neither of these armies would make good proxies for brets. I need more horses
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776742.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776742.page GMT Problem is, that'll set you back nearly as much, and it's really heavy. At least you could convert the Griffon in the box into a mount for your general with only a small amount of work (for bretonnians, they get griffons and hippogriffs, right?).]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776753.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776753.page GMT
Can understand what you are saying, I got the Skull Pass to learn the game but I liked both Dwarves and Gobbos.
But would say if I was in your position would deffo go Brets, cos that is what your heart seems to be pulling towards

Just my take on things. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776756.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776756.page GMT
aw.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776769.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776769.page GMT Myself, I'm a sucker for pretty plastic, I'm not even sure if I could bring myself to trade away the high elves !]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776770.page GMT

I don't really like either army, but if I had to choose, I'd play Skaven...More models=Less cost for real army... Is it stupid to play skaven though? Would I be a band-wagon jumper if I picked them up? People seem to be playing skaven like crazy now..[/quote]

Skaven...

It takes a special insanity... I mean, [i]dedication[/i] to play skaven, because you are going to be painting a LOT of rats, [i]especially[/i] since 8E rewards numerically large units, and skaven are cheap enough for you to have many such units. 2x40 slaves naked and 3x30 clanrats with spears and shields are only 610 points (before HQs), leaing plenty for rare/special/character choices...

EDIT: I'm going to use the Griffon rider for my Brets. One could use the elven cav for mounted yeomen... proxy the spearmen for Men at arms... and if you want to do a conversion, you can chop the swordmasters in half; put the top half on the horses to do Questing Knights and the bottom half under the elven cav torsos for archers.

It wouldn't look terribly Bret without a lot of GS work (and maybe not even then) but it's not completely hopeless.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776782.page GMT I've had some old 4th ed HE kicking around a while and always thought I'd get round to doing them, and upon hearing they'd be in a starter again decided to hold off. A 2nd wave of plastics too I'm sold! Sticking with finishing up a woc army first though to get warhammering again since my undead in 5th ed until I see what releases they'll get but one things for sure, their current plastic character sets are nice and I want that dragon model! Would love to see the spearmen redone because of the hands but not holding out hope of that happening.
Still the sheer beauty of those skaven plastics has me tempted...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1776992.page GMT You have to be used to watching a 70 point model blow up, taking 12 stormvermin with it in the blast, then laugh it off.
If you cant do this, skaven arent for you lol.


However, i may pick up a box or 2.


for those interested in selling parts of the set:

AoBR stuff - when sold in different lots i got my money back just by selling the marines.
So all in all, i got the rules, dice, items and orks for free.

Did the same with the skull pass set.

Will be doing the same for the island of blood set.



People generally want a single item / unit from box's like that.
Since ebay is huge, there is allways someone on there that wants what you have.
So buy a box or 10, take what you want and wait a week.
See how prices settle and then undercut them slightly.

so yes, skaven / elf players will buy all the parts for the same cost as a whole new box, just in units rather than all in 1 go.


I simply want a single box for the models, ill then happily buy more Rogres (if they have convertion potential) via ebay.
Ill also buy 14 more warlock engineers from ebay since i need 15 in total for my Skyre list lol. (thats if i can convert them enough to look different)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1777004.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1777004.page GMT
My stand point is players with unpainted figures should be destroyed on site (the player not the minis) if you want a battle game with no artistic demands play Chess.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1778829.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1778829.page GMT GW! I will play Fantasy aswell! Skaven for me I suppose, I like horde armies.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1778896.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1778896.page GMT
Any chance of some kinda, construct and progress threads for both sides over in P&M?

I'd be very interested in following folks work, and probably contributing myself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1778930.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1778930.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1779175.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1779175.page GMT IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1779275.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1779275.page GMT GW "Must refrain from showing decent shots of models despite the fact they are all over the internet already."

Gaming community "Sigh!"

Is there any fluff to this Island of Blood malarkey? AoBR was noticeably devoid of any scenarios (although they did appear in WD). Kind of curious as to where this Island of Blood is and why Skaven and High Elves are fighting over it. It doesn't look like there is a predominance of blood in the surrounding topography.[/quote]
IIRC, the Island of Blood is an island in the Ulthuan chain. The High Elves don't have alot of territory as it is, so there going to do everything to stop vermin from taking it. Also, they're High Elves! Everything about them is pride. They aren't going to sit around drinkin tea while another part of their lives is teared away. The Skaven are probably fighting over it to expand their under empire and dominate the world. Also, a new island means untainted and untapped genetic, mineral, and other resources to use and tamper with. Maybe a grey seer had a vision of the horned rat coming to that island. There's a bunch of reasons you could make up for why the skaven are fighting.[/quote]
Well, there's also the problem with the Isle of Blood being an informal name that the Elves have given to the island where the Sword of Khaine is laying.

Y'know, the blade that ended a Daemonic infestation and is the center of a massive spell that is keeping the Chaos Gateways to a manageable level?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1779440.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1779440.page GMT GW "Must refrain from showing decent shots of models despite the fact they are all over the internet already."

Gaming community "Sigh!"

Is there any fluff to this Island of Blood malarkey? AoBR was noticeably devoid of any scenarios (although they did appear in WD). Kind of curious as to where this Island of Blood is and why Skaven and High Elves are fighting over it. It doesn't look like there is a predominance of blood in the surrounding topography.[/quote]
IIRC, the Island of Blood is an island in the Ulthuan chain. The High Elves don't have alot of territory as it is, so there going to do everything to stop vermin from taking it. Also, they're High Elves! Everything about them is pride. They aren't going to sit around drinkin tea while another part of their lives is teared away. The Skaven are probably fighting over it to expand their under empire and dominate the world. Also, a new island means untainted and untapped genetic, mineral, and other resources to use and tamper with. Maybe a grey seer had a vision of the horned rat coming to that island. There's a bunch of reasons you could make up for why the skaven are fighting.[/quote]
Well, there's also the problem with the Isle of Blood being an informal name that the Elves have given to the island where the Sword of Khaine is laying.

Y'know, the blade that ended a Daemonic infestation[b] and is the center of a massive spell that is keeping the Chaos Gateways to a manageable level?[/b][/quote] Do you mean the Isle of the dead, where Caldor's vortex is?
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Warhammer Online had one fantastic thing going for it in allowing you for exploring the background! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1779650.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1779650.page GMT

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thats about all that travesty of an online game had going for it ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1780857.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1780857.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781036.page GMT GW had a better unboxing today, with armies made from two sets each:

[IMG]http://i32.tinypic.com/raustu.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i32.tinypic.com/igjaea.jpg[/IMG]

Lothern Sea Guard detail:
[IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/20atbfn.jpg[/IMG]

Poisoned Wind Mortar Team detail:
[IMG]http://i31.tinypic.com/1s1jf9.jpg[/IMG]

An FAQ:
[quote]Q. Will the rulebook from The Island of Blood be available separately?
A. No, as with the miniatures, it's exclusive to The Island of Blood set.

Q. What is the page count of the mini-rulebook?
A. There are 184 pages in the mini-rulebook.

Q. Are the scenarios, alliances and magic lores included in the mini-rulebook?
A. Yes, anything that could be regarded as a 'rule' is included in the mini-rulebook.

Q. What miniatures do you get in The Island of Blood box?
A. The set contains 74 models in total: a High Elf Prince on Griffon, a High Elf Mage, 10 High Elf Lothern Sea Guard, 10 High Elf Sword Masters of Hoeth and five Ellyrian Reavers; a Skaven Warlord, a Skaven Warlock Engineer, 40 Skaven Clanrats, a Skaven Master Moulder, two Skaven Rat Ogres, a Skaven Warpfire Thrower and a Skaven Poisoned Wind Mortar. [/quote]


Did they get new "Everything you have been told is a lie" t-shirts? Or is this the same shirt from before Space Hulk? I don't recall it having a Chaos star, so maybe it's a hint of something new in the works?
[IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/9banpv.jpg[/IMG]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781130.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781130.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781143.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781143.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781162.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781162.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781167.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781167.page GMT There were multiple EoT shirts, bud. Including one that had Cypher on the back, hooded and standing inside a cathedral that said on the front "Everything you've been told is a lie".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781176.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781176.page GMT GW store staff members received them at the time. Those are the exact shirts being worn in the photos in question here.

There was one Eye Of Terror shirt with the Codex Eye of Terror cover on the back, and I own some of them, and those are from back in 2003. They were sold on the "battle tour" in the US back when the Battlewagon was used for promotions at stores, tourneys, etc. instead of languishing at the Battle Bunker HQ in Maryland, where it is now used just for hauling lumber and such. I was looking at it yesterday too and the beautiful artwork on it is all faded now. It's in a very sad state compared to its glory days.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781191.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781191.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781194.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781194.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781210.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1781210.page GMT GW blog on their site.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786382.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786382.page GMT [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/20atbfn.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Fantastic!

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786488.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786488.page GMT ot master moulders(?) in the army book.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786514.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786514.page GMT
On a related note, it's great to see the 'eavy Metal team pulling out all the stops again these days.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786563.page GMT
WOW!

Especially that Griffin!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786571.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786571.page GMT Quoted for truth]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786610.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786610.page GMT Looks like it's been strecthed.
My cheap empire griffon plan is now on hold.

Rest of models are awesome however.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786620.page GMT Looks like it's been strecthed.
My cheap empire griffon plan is now on hold.

Rest of models are awesome however.[/quote]

The cheese stands alone!

OK, maybe not alone, but close!

I was on the fence looking at the unpainted version, and even though my skills aren't near as high as necessary to match it, the painted version has sold me!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786709.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786709.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786764.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786764.page GMT
Well, as it is plastic - go for it!

I really am looking forward to all the awesome conversions that will come from this set too!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786788.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786788.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786811.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786811.page GMT Looks like it's been strecthed.
My cheap empire griffon plan is now on hold.

Rest of models are awesome however.[/quote]

Have you ever seen one of the big cats on the run?
Or a Raptor diving down on prey?
Combine those and that is what we got for a mini.

It's a fairly realistic pose for a fantastical creature. POV of the photo can distort, but I bet in person it looks right.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786816.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786816.page GMT GW has produced. The Griffon is outstanding, in terms of anatomy, detail and pose. The skaven are awesome, lucky for me i play them, and I LOVE the new Rat Ogres...The Plague Mortar is meh for me, but since it isnt terribad and fits the asthetics of the new designs, i am not bothered. The Warpfire thrower is exactly as I thought it would be, which is great.

I can't wait to get my hands on this set.

I am trying to persuade my local store to ask for an advance copy, and I volunteered to paint for the store for free! (I just want to play with the new toys!)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786818.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786818.page GMT Looks like it's been strecthed.
My cheap empire griffon plan is now on hold.

Rest of models are awesome however.[/quote]

Have you ever seen one of the big cats on the run?
Or a Raptor diving down on prey?
Combine those and that is what we got for a mini.

It's a fairly realistic pose for a fantastical creature. POV of the photo can distort, but I bet in person it looks right.[/quote]

Remember: Believable, not realistic. Important distinction. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786852.page GMT GW know that nerds are wimpy?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786862.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786862.page GMT Gonna wish one for birthday present so I won't complain.
Can't wait for September!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786871.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786871.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786923.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1786923.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787039.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787039.page GMT
Yes they are. However if you adjust the kneeplates to something more rounded and human it will go well enough with an Empire or Bretonnian Knight miniature atop.

Yes its not a Hippogriff, but back end cat rather than horse makes no odds really, its the front end and wings that matter.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787053.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787053.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787099.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787099.page GMT
Devourer of Worlds, Slayer of Skaven, and all-around jerk!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787102.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787102.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787107.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787107.page GMT

HULKSMASH!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787114.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787114.page GMT

Also it does kinda look like the Sea Guard champ stuck a fish on his head. But I can look beyond that.

Overall though, each time we see more shots of this lot, the sooner I want it to be September.

I will be getting two boxes for sure.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787175.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787175.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787200.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787200.page GMT GWs plastics just get better and better with each set released. These are supposed to be the cheaper lower quality starter set plastics even!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787309.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787309.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787512.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787512.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787774.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787774.page GMT
Do the proportions they are in make sense for the basis of an actual army? Or are some of the units obvious stinkers or incredibly effective?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787799.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787799.page GMT dp right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787814.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787814.page GMT All the better to crush you with my dear....

Those minitures look awesome though! I have to have them! I don't ming the griffon and i like mages balancing of stuff. It's true that, once you take away the skaven minis there aren't that many HE models, but its still great value, especially considering it has the mini rulebook, no need to bring a lecturn to games anymore

I think i'll swap the skaven in the kit with a skaven player for the HE, (plenty of models then) though i may keep the rat ogres as they are awesome! Though the skaven player'll probably want more for the same reason though....

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787847.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1787847.page GMT imho, they're grossly out of proportion with a model that is otherwise proportioned very well!

I'd cut off a knuckle to shorten them, and it would be perfect, I think! Easy enough to do, too

The mage is fantastic. The high elves overall impressed me more than the skaven, which had a few clunker models. However, the skaven heroes and other "single" type models (with the poisoned wind mortar a notable, [i]terrible[/i], exception) are excellent!!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1788457.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1788457.page GMT
And don't forget those awesome rat ogres are mine ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1788509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1788509.page GMT
So cute & cuddly!
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So cute & cuddly!
[/quote]
I see alot of bad finger conversions with that claw hand.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1788680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1788680.page GMT HE army is going to become massive. I want it all. Thank goodness LSG are a core choice. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1788684.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1788684.page GMT GW may consider putting the price up to the £70-£80 pound mark for this new starter set?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789243.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789243.page GMT GW may consider putting the price up to the £70-£80 pound mark for this new starter set?[/quote]

I would be very surprised if it were to remain at the £50 mark for the UK....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789248.page GMT I'm relying on people buying several so I can get a small rulebook nice and cheap.
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I think that would be a big mistake. And therefore it wouldn't surprise me at all.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789289.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789289.page GMT GW may consider putting the price up to the £70-£80 pound mark for this new starter set?[/quote]

I think that would be a big mistake. And therefore it wouldn't surprise me at all.[/quote]

I poped into my local GW earlier, they dont know what the price is going to be yet so looks like GW still aint fixed the final cost, but they did suspect it would be around the £60 mark. I'm expecting it to be the same as the space hulk box set and that was £60. Anymore then that and i may reconsider getting it, even more so on release day. £70+ i can wait a few months.

On another note tho, my local GW did have the models in from teh new box set and 'in the flesh' they do look outstanding! only issue is the fact that they are snap together or 'one piece' which for the sea guard means the sheild is kinda falt against the body of the Elf, and it dont quite look right. The griffin tho! oh my diddy! The Rat Ogres, Lordy, Top notich!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789691.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789691.page GMT The Skull Pass Dwarves suffer the same problem with the shields leaving some "plugs" of solid plastic with no modelling.
In retrospect I would have spent some time carving out the blank blocks and resculpting with GS.

For a beginner with no modelling skills, the one piece is plenty good enough to get gaming ASAP.
A more experienced modeller should have no problems adding in a bit of extra detail.

As long as GW don't start charging full wack for starter set quality one piece figures I guess everyone will be happy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789729.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789729.page GMT [/quote]

What sane and sensible person would ever want [i]filthy[/i] rats?! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789758.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789758.page GMT GW may consider putting the price up to the £70-£80 pound mark for this new starter set?[/quote]

I doubt very much that GW will put the price up. This is a starter set aimed at getting new players into the hobby. The fact that veteran players will probably buy it for the smaller rule book is a bonus. I expect it to be priced the same as the 40k box, possibly £10 more expensive but I doubt that. GW would want people to buy and play both games so that they can maximise sales, if one game is more expensive than the other then it will sell poorly by comparison. Given that 40k is a much more popular game than WHFB I can't see GW pricing the new box that high.

Remember that a fair few of these boxes will be sold to Mums and Dads and if they see 40k is cheaper they'd probably buy that.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789782.page GMT
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[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1330187a_ClanratBanner2XL.jpg[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789783.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789783.page GMT
When I get my hands on it, I am going to paint the stitched together parts different colors to really make it look like some patchwork monster!


IT'S ALIVE! MUAHAHAHHAHA! ........................squeak!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789832.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789832.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789890.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1789890.page GMT
I love both of those. Look readily converted into variant Ogres...may have to look into adding those to my army as I'm getting at least 2 lots of skaven....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790004.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790004.page GMT
-P]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790017.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790017.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790116.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790116.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790129.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790129.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790371.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790371.page GMT GW releases anymore makes me want to start whatever army it's for.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790376.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790376.page GMT
Dont care for the high elves...except the griffon, the rest I will give away, sell or trade.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790533.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790533.page GMT
Dont care for the high elves...except the griffon, the rest I will give away, sell or trade.[/quote]

I'm here for you Father!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790560.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790560.page GMT

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790566.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790566.page GMT
[img]http://blog.atribecallednext.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/eddie_kaye_thomas.jpg[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790897.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790897.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790901.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790901.page GMT
I still see some resemblance with the older elvish stallions. But I did like those so... no problem for me. I'm loving this minis.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790916.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790916.page GMT and i think Empire, I know it's skaven though]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790925.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790925.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790952.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1790952.page GMT [/quote]
lol!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791075.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791075.page GMT GW is now employing to further stamp down rumors and not let us know the truth until the very last minute.

/tongue firmly in cheek]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791088.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791088.page GMT GW know that nerds are wimpy?[/quote]

Speak for youself!

I may not be [i]pumped[/i], but wimpy?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791111.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791112.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791112.page GMT Yes but that would include what you just said which means that everything we've been told isn't a lie. But then you'd be telling the truth which means everytthing we've been told was actually a lie, which includes your statement.... ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791131.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791131.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791143.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791143.page GMT Yeah, i was quite confused about how little the AoBR starter booklet helped you learn the rules, it didn't explain any of the rules, unlike the skull pass one which was very in-depth. Fortunatly i wasn't bothered as i wasn't a begginer. And yes the scenery in Skull Pass was a bit random, i found that captured slayer in one of my trouser pockets a couple of weeks ago actually, how it got there only god knows!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791199.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791199.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791201.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791201.page GMT and i think Empire, I know it's skaven though[/quote]
Haha are you serious? Like seriously serious? Looks like there's about 11 pages of this thread you may want to look at... or the GW website where they're pretty content to plug this game and confirm it's contents. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791463.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1791463.page GMT
[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1330189a_SwrdmsterChmpnXL.jpg[/img]

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[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1330193a_SkavenPackmasterXL.jpg[/img]

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Yeah, I think a lot of folks are going to do that. I finaly saw the figures in person today. The griffon doesnt look half as bad in the flesh. If anythign its the back half that looks elongated but it doesnt look unnatural. Them High Elves look super detailed i.e. a pain inthe butt to paint. I think I will paint them in a layered style and keep it simple. The Skaven look like they can be sprayed brown then have the details picked out and given a wash of Devlan Mud.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1793079.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1793079.page GMT
...and want!

And I really did NOT want to want another Fantasy army!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1793111.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1793111.page GMT
Everybody knows that everybody always wants to want other Fantasy Armies.

That's Warhammer Fantasy Battles Rules. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1793230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1793230.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1793636.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1793636.page GMT
I hope that was an oops.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1793670.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1793670.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1793992.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1793992.page GMT pg. 11. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1794293.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1794293.page GMT
The OP is, of course, free to edit the original post too.

And remember, not so grumpy!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1796412.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1796412.page GMT OP, please add this link:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/300/300189.page

For the pictures!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1796489.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1796489.page GMT

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While initially, I agreed with the general sentiment that it's not too hard to trawl this thread for the pics, I'm now thinking it might actually be time for an Image Roundup thread?

Not just a second thread like this, a (possibly locked) sticky with just the pics and a quick synopsis for quick reference and keep this one for discussion. Whatever, I'm sure you mods know what you're doing, I'll stop telling you how to do your job. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1796657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1796657.page GMT
[quote=BrookM]You wouldn't happen to be a giant, now would you.. [/quote]

That made my day!

Greets
Schepp himself]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1796669.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1796669.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1800935.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1800935.page GMT
Wish the models weren't so damn good looking though, I've always wanted to start a HE army but been put off by the core troops. Now though, no blooming excuse is there? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1801876.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1801876.page GMT
PM me if you want to work something out.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1802138.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1802138.page GMT

It is logical, being that Assault on Black reach is almost identical to Battle for Skull Pass etc. I'll research on where this could be...

[quote=Karon]We should probably stop multi-box quote so it doesn't start getting out of control, I've seen it topple threads with the might of a thousand sea turtles.

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I think we all still know its Skaven and Helfs, I DID notice the lots of Skaven VS Helf fluff in the Skaven Armybook, so I guess it makes sense now.[/quote]

This calculates too! The Iyanden craftworld are probably trying to get revenge on hive fleet kraken! Sorry guys for interrupting your WHFB thread, but this is good news . Back to the topic...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1803077.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1803077.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1803489.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1803489.page GMT
keep the Island of Blood a 40k fee zone ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1803582.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1803582.page GMT 40k set then you're a madman.

But this is really off topic...

My bro just said this morning that he wants to get IoB and he hates skaven so it looks like I should be able to get some nice rat ogres for my warboss experiments without having to venture onto ebay. Score. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1803592.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1803592.page GMT
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[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1330177a_RatOgre1XL.jpg[/img]

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The griffon hs some prettly large join lines. Most experienceed gamers will need lots of greenstuff to satisfy themselves that it is at a level for painting.

The lothern sea guard have everything in 1 piece. Also as you have seen in the pics they do not have the giant gorilla hands of the other plastic sets.

The ellyrian reavers are mega detailed, but still almost useless in WHFB.

The HE mage and skaven warlord are very detailed and would be perfectly acceptable in any army range now as heroes.

The let down for the whole set are the skaven weapon teams which should be alot sharper.


ALSO:
October will see 2 new HE blisters and 3 new HE box sets (plastics) and 'something' special.
I haven't seen the new models for the new sets BUT it seems a lost opportunity for GW to release Islands of blood, the a mini miniature release for HEs and not to just release a new HE book. Primarily they could have shifted the artwork and fluff around, new pics and integrate all the FAQs so the army is fully ready for 8th...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1804893.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1804893.page GMT
The let down for the whole set are the skaven weapon teams which should be alot sharper.

[/quote]

By sharper do you mean they could have been designed better or that they're lacking in detail?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1805253.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1805253.page GMT HE release:
4 plastic boxes: White Lions, Phoenix Guard, Dragon Princes, and a Reinforcements box.
2 Metal boxes (nothing definite known, many speculations)
2 Blisters (one perhaps a mounted noble/hero, one perhaps Teclis)
1 spell deck]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1805254.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1805254.page GMT HE release:
4 plastic boxes: White Lions, Phoenix Guard, Dragon Princes, and a Reinforcements box.
2 Metal boxes (nothing definite known, many speculations)
2 Blisters (one perhaps a mounted noble/hero, one perhaps Teclis)
1 spell deck[/quote]

Soooo- no spearmen redo, other than the IoB stuff? Or is that the "Reinforcements box"?

Pity, that. Basic troops that actually look graceful would've been nice.

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Also, any speculation as to what the 2 new metal HE boxes are going to be?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1805620.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1805620.page GMT HE anyway, but new spearmen would be awesome.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1805637.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1805637.page GMT HE release:
4 plastic boxes: White Lions, Phoenix Guard, Dragon Princes, and a Reinforcements box.
2 Metal boxes (nothing definite known, many speculations)
2 Blisters (one perhaps a mounted noble/hero, one perhaps Teclis)
1 spell deck[/quote]

Seriously? I just spent at least 4 weeks working on Teclis off and on. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1805918.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1805918.page GMT def. gonna get like two or three of these .]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1806021.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1806021.page GMT
The let down for the whole set are the skaven weapon teams which should be alot sharper.

[/quote]

By sharper do you mean they could have been designed better or that they're lacking in detail?[/quote]

Not so much lacking in detail but the detail is 'washed out'/ lumpen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1806593.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1806593.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1806657.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1806657.page GMT
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Holy Carp! It's Ocean Master!

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(Including appropriate weapon conversion, of course!)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1807647.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1807647.page GMT lol! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1807701.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1807701.page GMT
[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1340433a_Clanrat_Unit_749.jpg[/img]

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WTF? those Rats don't look like Monkeys!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1808153.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1808153.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1808203.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1808203.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1808213.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1808213.page GMT
Full agreed. I think a bit of green stuff to bulk out the underside of the horse where it's not covered by the barding will do the trick. Also needs some on the neck - there's no "throat" area on these models, it's just a head stuck on a triangular neck.

The riders look great, though, and I think they're salvageable. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1808341.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1808341.page GMT
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[img]http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1340525a_2010-08-05_RatOgres_749x465.jpg[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1811050.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1811050.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1811512.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1811512.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812180.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812180.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812195.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812195.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812201.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812201.page GMT WHFB likes the look of the HE. I'll try to convince him of buying the pack so I can keep the Skavens. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812233.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812233.page GMT HE for the skaven. Don't really want skaven haha.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812441.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812441.page GMT
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[quote=Flashman]Elven steeds have cute bottoms. It's their special power...[/quote]

And I'm sure they tank you for noticing - it isn't easy keeping that figure you know!

Seriously though, these are some amazing plastics, and realyl set the bar high going forward.

We really, really, REALLY should NEVER see new releases that echo the abominations that are the new minotaurs and the Razorgor, ever again.

Really.
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812743.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812743.page GMT (for those of a certain age that remember larry the Lamb)

The forlegs have square knees and square sections

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zw2SVloYz60/SVovGdqZvQI/AAAAAAAABHA/P2eIssMo-iM/s320/larry+and+dennis.jpg[/img]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812769.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812769.page GMT
I'm still undecided on those figures. Since I got back into 40k last year Ive seen a fair few odd looking models and some real beauties, prety much like the old days. For me it shows how important the 'Eavy Metal painters are in the product chain as some of their reccent paint jobs have been very poorly thought out. The Minotaurs are a case in point - an average painter who paints them a dark colour and then gives them a wash of Devaln Mud wont find that the models stick out much from the rest of the army. the problem comes if peopel try to be clever and apply beastman sensibilities to the minotaurs in terms of large swathes of flesh. Back in the day Minotaurs and other furry beasties weren't covered all in fur texture and yet were painted as if they were covered in fur. A modern example if the hind quarters or the griffon from Island of blood. It has a smooth surface but will be painted to look like fur. If you apply the same principle to the Minotaurs and I dare say the Razogore then they wont look as bad as the official pics make them out to be.

For a more extreme example, look athow John Blanche paints his figures. They are the same models but the style of painting gives them a whole new look.

Also I am quite sure that there will be people who put the Griffon and the Rat Ogres from The Island of Blood in room 101 with the Minotaur and Razogore.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812846.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1812846.page GMT
I've always found the "the minotaurs would look good if you only painted them to hide their details!" line of reasoning to be unconvincing. If I'm paying Porsche prices for luxury models, I shouldn't be confined to a certain painting scheme just to get a passable look from them.

Luckily, the Isle of Blood minis don't appear to have that problem. They appear to look good painted and unpainted, which means they'll probably look good regadless of how light/dark you paint them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813320.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813320.page GMT GW website. Like the Giant kit they are large enough and have deep enough sculpting that they actually have some natural shadows on them, so you need to do subtle shading instead of exaggerating it as is the norm for smaller models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813336.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813336.page GMT IMO were much more furious, and ogre-like, rather than a cartoony, giant armed thing with a tiny hamster head.

As much as I despise the high elves, I think those models look great. It's just the skaven.. the non-helmeted heads look like screaming hamsters. I know I will get alot of negative responses, but I really believe the mono posed plastic skaven from back when looked much more like rats, although they weren't as skinny.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813380.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813380.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813395.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813395.page GMT I think GW have changed them alot though for a reason.
Going way back when to the mono-pose 3 parters (model, shield, base) they were more warrior like with the pose and size.

I think they now want to make them look a bit weaker and more panicked, rather than well trained uniformed warriors.

I agree on the Rogres aswell.
They will be getting head swaps to the multi-part Rogre heads.


As bad as night runners looked when they got released, they now look tons better next to the new skaven.




Set wise though i think ill be buying 2-3 sets, then grabbing more parts from ebay (poisoned wind mortar, thrower etc etc)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813406.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813406.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813442.page GMT 40k and WHFB and 3 because the wheels in my head have started turning as far as how to convert that AWESOME Griffon into an Abyssal Terror for VC. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813714.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1813714.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814091.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814091.page GMT IMO were much more furious, and ogre-like, rather than a cartoony, giant armed thing with a tiny hamster head.

As much as I despise the high elves, I think those models look great. It's just the skaven.. the non-helmeted heads look like screaming hamsters. I know I will get alot of negative responses, but I really believe the mono posed plastic skaven from back when looked much more like rats, although they weren't as skinny.[/quote]


they obviously liked Mr Hyde in "the league of extraordinary gentlemen".]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814185.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814185.page GMT
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(proof that the 200 pages mini rulebook includes the reference section)

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814262.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814262.page GMT FLGS is getting their demo copy in today, but were told by their rep that they are totally forbidden from showing it to anyone until next week. I just find that completely amusing given we've already seen EVERYTHING in it. Although I'm surprised they've got the white templates in it. Doesn't the 40k starter come with the better green ones?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814266.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814266.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814330.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814330.page GMT flgs has had the iob set for about a week, and most of it's painted up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814345.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814345.page GMT
I disagree. I find them to be among the worst plastics GW has ever done. Almost as much of a travesty as the plastic daemonettes, although at least it can be said that the minotaurs are maintaining a consistent level of suck from the previous metal models, as opposed to replacing and making unavailible something that was truly great.

To keep this on topic, the Rat Ogres thankfully show none of the problems that the minotaurs do. The ROgres may be hideous mutated monstrosities, but at least their muscles sit in such a way that they could believably produce movement. They look more like real muscles, rather than inflated air bladders that have been taped to the skin. Their heads resemble rat heads, as opposed to just being a giant muscly block for no reason (muscle-bulge noses, WT ). I can understand if someone doesn't like the design choices for the ROgres, but at least their designer demonstrated some basic attempt at believable anatomy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814567.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814567.page GMT FLGS is getting their demo copy in today, but were told by their rep that they are totally forbidden from showing it to anyone until next week. I just find that completely amusing given we've already seen EVERYTHING in it. Although I'm surprised they've got the white templates in it. Doesn't the 40k starter come with the better green ones?[/quote]
Yeah, but they also have all kinds of futuristic detailing on them. Besides, who would buy those gold-painted plastic templates if the ones included in the starter set weren't lousy?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814573.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814573.page GMT 40k one comes with the green templates even though those are sold separately as well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814770.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814770.page GMT 40k one comes with the green templates even though those are sold separately as well.[/quote]

I'd have hoped for translucent yellow, myself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814781.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814781.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814855.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1814855.page GMT people have already posted here about going and seeing them being painted up.
And at least a week or so back.

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Wait, did that last bit look like a pun?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1815337.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1815337.page GMT
I just ordered both rulebooks off maelstrom this morning, along with the Daemon spell cards. Not that I have a Daemon army, but I thought just in case.

I'm thinking of ordering one of these from GW for speed of delivery, got the rulebook two days early. Then get a second, possible third from Maelstrom.
GW sure knows how to squueze cash from me once or twice a year, even if I had zero plans to spend with them.

The idea of Seaguard vs Corsair battles along a coast battlefield would be pretty funky as well. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1815407.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1815407.page GMT BRB for actually playing. No introductory scenarios, no rules for the miniatures. You basically need both army books in addition to the starter box to make your first game (and read the full rules book and army books first of course). A big step backwards from the BfSP booklet. Don't know what they were thinking. Weird!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816423.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816423.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816476.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816476.page GMT BfSP Rulebook for all armies
Stats given in the "Read This First" BfSP starter book

That is indeed a step backwards and disappointing to hear.
It is the equivalent of not having batteries supplied.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816480.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816480.page GMT GW. "Hey buy this 'starter' set. What? It doesn't come with everything you need to play? Oh, well, let's remedy that. Here are two $25 books that will give you what you need." Remember the old Microsoft adage: "It's not a bug, it's a feature."]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816531.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816531.page GMT BRB for actually playing. No introductory scenarios, no rules for the miniatures. You basically need both army books in addition to the starter box to make your first game (and read the full rules book and army books first of course). A big step backwards from the BfSP booklet. Don't know what they were thinking. Weird![/quote]
Isn't that pretty much the same as the 40k starter booklet? ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816586.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816586.page GMT 40k starter set's booklet has the stats and points costs for the units included. All that's missing is the special rules.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816762.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816762.page GMT GW employees when this set goes on sale this coming Tuesday.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816779.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1816779.page GMT that will be around the £70 mark?


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GW UK have confirmed this will be selling for £60 in the UK. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1819755.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1819755.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1819775.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1819775.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1819782.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1819782.page GMT
This isn't "batteries not included", this is leaving out [i]essential components[/i] from the box, and forcing the customer to call and ask "WTF?", and telling them "Ha ha, oh yeah, you have to give us another $50 in order to play." BULLSHIT.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1819939.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1819939.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1819953.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1819953.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1819997.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1819997.page GMT GW website says the mini-rulebook has the bestiary. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1820066.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1820066.page GMT GW for a tutorial WHFB game. That game plus the awesome painted models from Island of Blood on display pushed him over the edge.


He's getting a starter box. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1820122.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1820122.page GMT About a hundred Australian dollars.

...

You *are* going to buy it from Maelstrom/Wayland, right?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1820181.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1820181.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1822906.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1822906.page GMT No rush but i will be snapping this up.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1822940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1822940.page GMT GW Australia have posted the cost as being $165 .

Just did a quick jump over to the exchange rate , and that converts to GBP 95.37 or US$ 150 . ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1822955.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1822955.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1822958.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1822958.page GMT GW Australia have posted the cost as being $165 . [/quote]

Ouch!

How many places do GW have to manufactur all their products, oviously in the UK we have a factory producing these products, i asume america proberley has a couple, does Oz have to import it all from the states? if so it would explaine why you have to pay so much for your models.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1822971.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1822971.page GMT GW really shot themselves in the foot by putting it that high, coz I know of a few gamers that will NEVER pay that much for it, its just insane.

Almost worth ordering it from England and getting it shipped over, would work out cheaper.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823036.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823036.page GMT "Almost"? 100 AUD from the UK is a pretty good deal. If I wanted to collect High Elves or Skaven I'd be buying it.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823044.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823044.page GMT
I was going to post both the wayland and maelstrom link but neither of them have it on their site yet....]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823045.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823045.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823047.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823047.page GMT So Skaven weapon teams have 2 strengh 3 attacks and nothing else? Impressive!

I won't go into detail, but the "unpack, glue together, read 200 pages (plus the army books) and you can play at once" approach is not what I would call a starter set. It is a nice alternative batallion, but not for beginners. Compare what the 7th edition starter booklet included!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823052.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823052.page GMT
Hmmm
are they sending them one at a time by airmail?

is the exchange rate bad for Australian Dollars against Sterling?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823084.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823084.page GMT
is the exchange rate bad for Australian Dollars against Sterling?[/quote]

No, currently buying 0.60c per pound. Which is as good as its been in a while. So quite disappointing but oh well.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823093.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823093.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823151.page GMT def going to get a set]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823160.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823160.page GMT
Below are the webstores that are offering Island of blood at discount.

As I post I will rank them in order of cost and will include details on shipping with links to shipping policies

[b]Firestorm Games[/b]
http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=island%20of%20blood&category_id=0&product_id=10145
£54.99
[url=http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=6]Free shipping worldwide with orders over £30[/url]


[B]Sites yet to include IOB on site[/b]
Wayland Games
Maelstrom Games
OG Games

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[b]Bitz services currently showing IOB content[/b]
Bitz & Kitz [UK]
http://www.bitsandkits.co.uk/island-of-blood-c-667.html?sesid=csqa7p1u1969bmsfup4qt5nqi3]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823387.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823387.page GMT UK discount retailer I hadn't heard of before.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823442.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823442.page GMT UK discount retailer I hadn't heard of before.[/quote]

Glad it could be of use. Firestorm are quite good actually. I learnt about them through Warhammer.org.uk They are a brick and Morter retailer and run a load of tournaments out of there through various Cardiff Wargaming clubs.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823456.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823456.page GMT
Please?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823606.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823606.page GMT GW and good luck, my run with WFB is now over. BfSP was an awesome set with a metric crapton of figs at a great price. $75 rulebood and a far inferior (to the previous edition) $99 Starter Set just does not sit well with me and I'm done with you adjusting the rules to sell more models.

Bring on Kings of War! I'm sure all my old figs I have lying around will work just fine.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823652.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823652.page GMT
At the moment, the big rulebook does not seem like good value for money for me- I know the WFB fluff backwards, and don't expect more than perhaps two pages worth of new material in this book. The book is too unwieldy to make it useful for the sort of gaming I do (travelling to a club or tournament on public transport) and the price is just way too high when I compare it to other systems. I want the mini-rulebook, but absolutely hate messing around with ebay and the like. I'm sure I'll get one, but I'm not bothered buying the starter for it.
Lo and behold, Mantic are giving rules away for free, and their new starter has more models than the GW one at a much reduced cost. This is much more attractive to me as a product.
I've noticed this happening to me with several new GW releases- I was really excited by the boar boyz, river trolls, bloodcrushers and plastic fell beast. Then every time, I looked at the price and my enthusiasm dropped. I think GW make an excellent product, but it might be that they've hit my price cieling. Heh. Not saying I'll never buy GW again, but with all the other options out there...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823677.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1823677.page GMT
Yep, Dark Sphere has it for £45 web price + postage (£52.77 is cheapest option for the UK) or if you live in London you can go to their shop in Waterloo and get it for £48 off the shelf.
http://darksphere.co.uk/pgsearch.php?P=19216
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Because that's the way our pricing works over here. Yes, it's ridiculous... but it's also in line with the mark-up on everything else here, so shouldn't really have come as a surprise to anyone.


It's a shame, but they seem to have gone back to the 'boxed game' idea (ala 5th edition WHFB or 3rd Edition 40K) rather than the more recent 'cheap starter set' which appeared to have been doing so well for them.

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**** off GW, I'm not paying that.

It's bad enough I got gouged for the big book (I assumed it would be the same price as the last one, or similar, and it wasn't labeled yet at the store - being release night. When I checked my bank statement I went ) but I'm not paying 200 bucks for what was only worth 95 the the last time around.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1824493.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1824493.page GMT

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Nope, not on ebay yet. Soon, precious.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1824502.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1824502.page GMT

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Nope, not on ebay yet. Soon, precious.[/quote]

Also... ya know... not OUT yet.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1824558.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1824558.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1824565.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1824565.page GMT

The War Store is a fantastic place to order GW and other game stuff and the flat shipping fee makes it an especially good deal when purchasing gets near or beyond the $100 mark. I just bought a pile of stuff from there a couple weeks ago and it saved a lot of money. On top of that the service was fantastic and incredibly fast.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1824608.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1824608.page GMT
I wasn't thrilled with this model at first, but that paintjob really made it pop! That thing looks every bit the fierce predator. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1824663.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1824663.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1825255.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1825255.page GMT
I wasn't thrilled with this model at first, but that paintjob really made it pop! That thing looks every bit the fierce predator. [/quote]
Link's broken for me. What is it?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1825357.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1825357.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1825388.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1825388.page GMT
Below are the webstores that are offering Island of blood at discount.

As I post I will rank them in order of cost and will include details on shipping with links to shipping policies

[b]Dark Sphere[/b]
http://darksphere.co.uk/pgsearch.php?P=19216
£45.00
Delivery Within UK - Standard Parcels (£7.77); Parcel Force (£8.00); Special Delivery (Up to £500 insured) (£22.60)
Worldwide Delivery offered however no prices offered during checkout process
http://darksphere.co.uk/FAQ.php#delivery

[b]Total War Gamer[/b]
[url]http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/warhammer-island-of-blood.html[/url]
£48.00
Standard Delivery in UK 5-7 Days £3.99, Courier Delivery 4-5 Days £6.99
£15.00 Delivery to Australia & New Zealand!!!!!!!!! 10-15 Day Delivery
[url]http://www.totalwargamer.co.uk/shipping-and-returns.html[/url]

[b]Maelstrom Games[/b]
[url]http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=pro&pre=gwk_wfb_ess_xcm_108_001[/url]
£54.00
[url=http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=pag&ref=shipping]Free shipping worldwide[/url]

[b]The Wargame Store[/b]
http://www.wargamestore.com/The-Island-of-Blood-Warhammer-Fantasy-Battle-Game-p-17897.html
£54.00
UK Delivery - Free Standard Delivery; First Class Delivery (£2.99)
North America & Australia - £20.00

[b]Wayland Games[/b]
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/Pre-Orders/Games-Workshop/September-2010/The-Island-of-Blood-Warhammer-Fantasy-ENGLISH/prod_10771.html
£49.00
Delivery Within UK - Courier (£5.95); Standard Parcel (£7.06); First Class Parcel (£8.22)
Delivery to New Zealand / Australia - Air Mail (£6.00); DHL (£71.44!!!!)
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/shipping-policy/info_8.html



[b]Firestorm Games[/b]
[url]http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=island%20of%20blood&category_id=0&product_id=10145[/url]
£54.99
[url=http://www.firestormgames.co.uk/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=6]Free shipping worldwide with orders over £30[/url]

[B]Sites yet to include IOB on site[/b]
OG Games

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[b]Bitz services currently showing IOB content[/b]
Bitz & Kitz [UK]
[url]http://www.bitsandkits.co.uk/island-of-blood-c-667.html?sesid=csqa7p1u1969bmsfup4qt5nqi3[/url]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826053.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826053.page GMT
Why Skaven?

They've never struck me as a particularly popular army - Warhammer's Tyranids really - and they're certainly quite specific for a [i]starter[/i] box, unlike Orcs.

They're not... generic enough, if you know what I mean. Empire/Orcs or even High Elves/Orcs (like 4th Ed) would have made more sense to me.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826155.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826155.page GMT
Why Skaven?

They've never struck me as a particularly popular army - Warhammer's Tyranids really - and they're certainly quite specific for a [i]starter[/i] box, unlike Orcs.

They're not... generic enough, if you know what I mean. Empire/Orcs or even High Elves/Orcs (like 4th Ed) would have made more sense to me.[/quote]

They seem to compliment the 2 different playing styles - High Elves - smaller elite army & Skaven - Hordes]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826164.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826164.page GMT
Why Skaven?

They've never struck me as a particularly popular army - Warhammer's Tyranids really - and they're certainly quite specific for a [i]starter[/i] box, unlike Orcs.

They're not... generic enough, if you know what I mean. Empire/Orcs or even High Elves/Orcs (like 4th Ed) would have made more sense to me.[/quote]
Diversity? Pushing a less popular army? Pushing a GW-own concept race? Sell a Horde army? Use the clan rat (and Squeek) sculpts again and add some missing units (weapon teams)? Do another small body army to fill sprues with lots of miniatures? ...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826193.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826193.page GMT FOTM boost with their recent army book, combine that with the fact that they're now THE horde army for WFB, it's an obvious choice. (IMO)]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826194.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826194.page GMT WE (with cauldron support) also rip through enemies.

Also, horde White Lions are very, very, very good. 30 WL facing a 6 wide dwarf block killed 16 dwarfs in one round...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826208.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826208.page GMT My guess is that the High Elf well with the Lion head will be an upcoming Elven terrain piece, together with the columns and maybe the building.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826230.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826230.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826270.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826270.page GMT

Yeah, I'm shipping this from wayland or Maelstorm]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826290.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826290.page GMT

Yeah, I'm shipping this from wayland or Maelstorm[/quote]

Maelstrom pre order just came up on their site. Have updated the pricing post above]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826300.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826300.page GMT GW last night, just to get it hopefully a few days earlier.. yes that is pretty sad.

Not sure about getting a second IoB box now, may just get the Skaven Battalion and a Doomwheel.

Got a big result though as my wife has decided to give the Asur a go, this is mainly good because it gives my Druchii their hated army to play and I don't mind Skaven anyways, she also wouldn't have got a Doomwheel as she doesn't like them, which would have made me a sad panda. So yeah all good.

Not sure what she'll do mind, she hates the 'pointy' helms of the High Elves, has said she plans to trim down or replace with head guard and/or hair on every figure that has one. So I'll be interested in seeing what she comes up with. (This work will be coming from a person who got her fully sculpted female Trollslayer in the finals case at GD four years ago, sadly we haven't been since.)

She'll want a Battalion as well, but she says she'd rather wait for the repackaged one later this year.

But yeah, Druchii v's Asur here I come, very happy today. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826381.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826429.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826429.page GMT
1. There is NO TERRAIN.

2. The intro book shows what the units are how to assemble them how to paint them some tactical tips (refering to the rulebook) and how to expand the collection. There isnt a basic rules game, instead players are directed to the main rules from ther outset.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826438.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826438.page GMT
Can I just clarify please?
The Skull Pass booklet had a very simple process going through the various aspects of basics from movement to combat. IIRC there may ahave been a little scenario at the end for magic.

This was very helpful to a complete beginner such as myself.

So thie basic movement/shoot/combat scenarios are not included in the IoB booklet as (Kroothawk i think it was) said earler?
sorry to be so dim, it just seems such a strange ommission, it is baffling.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826458.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826458.page GMT
Why Skaven?

They've never struck me as a particularly popular army -...[/quote]

That's possibly why. Lift the profile of a less-popular army a little.


That, and I've always had the impression that the studio have a thing for skaven, given how often they seem to pop up in the fluff.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826569.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826569.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826656.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826656.page GMT
Why Skaven?

They've never struck me as a particularly popular army -...[/quote]

That's possibly why. Lift the profile of a less-popular army a little.


That, and I've always had the impression that the studio have a thing for skaven, given how often they seem to pop up in the fluff.[/quote]

If anything, other than being a studio favorite, don't you just need a metric-crapton of models for that army too?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826685.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826685.page GMT
Why Skaven?

They've never struck me as a particularly popular army - Warhammer's Tyranids really - and they're certainly quite specific for a [i]starter[/i] box, unlike Orcs.

They're not... generic enough, if you know what I mean. Empire/Orcs or even High Elves/Orcs (like 4th Ed) would have made more sense to me.[/quote]
You could probably use them to represent Ungors in a Beastmen army, which is a start I suppose. But I agree: another army would see more use. Orcs for Snakebite Orks, Chaos or DE for humanoid bodies for conversions, or Undead for the piles of corpses that evil armies leave lying all over the place. You could even make them skeletons and zombies from the good faction from the box, so that a devoted converter could combine the two armies into one massive undead horde.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826694.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1826694.page GMT
Why Skaven?

They've never struck me as a particularly popular army - Warhammer's Tyranids really - and they're certainly quite specific for a [i]starter[/i] box, unlike Orcs.

They're not... generic enough, if you know what I mean. Empire/Orcs or even High Elves/Orcs (like 4th Ed) would have made more sense to me.[/quote]
You know, I've been wondering the same thing. And the only conclusion I can really come to?

They picked them as they're a very very Warhammer specific army. Orcs are everywhere in Fantasy games, but actual Ratmen--who aren't turning into rats during the full moons at least--are kinda rare, aren't they?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1827290.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1827290.page GMT This is not correct.
1.) The intro book gives a paragraph about the background of each unit, no rules.
2.) The intro book only shows how to assemble the griffon, all other instructions are on the inside of the box.
3.) No painting guide, just four uncommented pics of different painting stages of a clan rat, and that you should buy the painting compendium if you want to know more. You won't find such words as highlighting, dry brushing, inking or blending in the booklet.
4.) Tactical tips ... erm ... not really
5.) The buying tipps are just group photos with comments like "This is High Elf infantry, they are highly disciplined and feared by the enemy".
6.) Not a single scenario, no sinple rules to start with, not even stat lines for the miniatures. "Please read the rulebook".
7.) Instead 8 pages background texts for all races (which really ARE in the rulebook), 2 pages with the global map (same), two pages "Buy terrain!" and another 2 page battle photo. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1827381.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1827381.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1827462.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1827462.page GMT
Radaddel.de is offering some bargains with the new box too.
(3 boxes for 199,99 Euro)

Also tabletop-marktplatz.de is offering a box for 63 Euro.

Im not related to the stores but i thought these offers are worth mentioning. If thats inapropriate please delete .

Cheers]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1827486.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1827486.page GMT Le Grognard]Wow. Soundls like they threw in some pretty models and a rule book and said, "here it is, if you want to know more, buy more stuff." Not surprising.[/quote]

Bear in mind folks that mini rulebook includes the scenario section too. As far as I can tell, the only thing missing is the rules for the models themselves. If they want it to be a true starter set, there should be at least a basic army list for each force with brief rules for each unit. This wouldn't stop you buying the army book as any Skaven Warlord worth his warpstone wants some of the crazy stuff too (Abominations, Doomwheels etc) together with the rules. This omission is a bit slack IMO and prevents it from being a pick up and play set.

Parent "There you go little Jimmy, everything you need to play the crazy wargame you've been badgering me about."
GW Employee "Um... well actually, you're going to need to spend another £30 on these two army books otherwise you've just spent £60 for nothing."
]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1827888.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1827888.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1827928.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1827928.page GMT GW plastics coming out lately are showpiece worthy sculpts, from foot soldier to MC... makes you wonder what kind of stuff they will be releasing 10 years from now! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828186.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828186.page GMT




Sorry, I had to go there.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828394.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828394.page GMT lol

too optomistic Vitki
anyhoo quickly back on topic ...

Flashman, the army books are £17.50 now so Jimmy needs another fiver!


]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828417.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828417.page GMT GW plastics coming out lately are showpiece worthy sculpts, from foot soldier to MC... makes you wonder what kind of stuff they will be releasing 10 years from now! [/quote]
Minotaurs?

Never use absolutes. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828434.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828434.page GMT GW plastics coming out lately are showpiece worthy sculpts, from foot soldier to MC... makes you wonder what kind of stuff they will be releasing 10 years from now! [/quote]
It also makes you wonder how high their prices will be.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828451.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828451.page GMT




Sorry, I had to go there.[/quote]

I've got my eye on you...

[img]http://www.deviantart.com/download/100890201/Using_deviantart_is_heresy__by_Mr_Culexus.jpg[/img]


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[quote=Laughing Man]
Never use absolutes. [/quote]

Also, the minotaurs are fine. People need to take a chill pill on those, and then paint them [i]without[/i] using fleshtones.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828469.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828469.page GMT lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828480.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828480.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828563.page GMT Le Grognard]Wow. Soundls like they threw in some pretty models and a rule book and said, "here it is, if you want to know more, buy more stuff." Not surprising.[/quote]

Bear in mind folks that mini rulebook includes the scenario section too. As far as I can tell, the only thing missing is the rules for the models themselves. If they want it to be a true starter set, there should be at least a basic army list for each force with brief rules for each unit. This wouldn't stop you buying the army book as any Skaven Warlord worth his warpstone wants some of the crazy stuff too (Abominations, Doomwheels etc) together with the rules. This omission is a bit slack IMO and prevents it from being a pick up and play set.

Parent "There you go little Jimmy, everything you need to play the crazy wargame you've been badgering me about."
GW Employee "Um... well actually, you're going to need to spend another £30 on these two army books otherwise you've just spent £60 for nothing."
[/quote]
... and the painting compendium for X£.

And with scenarios we mean "first steps to learn the rules" scenarios as in the current starter booklet. The new "read this first" booklet is just a big RTFM-sign, so the box is a nice two-gamer-batallion, but not a starter, as you have to read the same 200 pages as in the BRB with no assistance from GW. Lucky, if you have a GW store or FLGS who introduces you to the game. Bad luck if you don't. The you have the plug-and-read-200-pages-and-100pagearmybook-and-play version. No doubt the rest of the box is great, but it doesn't help people to start playing Warhammer.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828625.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828625.page GMT GW figured out that a good chunk of sales for the last stater kits were coming from vets, and in typical fashion, tried to go in two directions at once without really getting very far in either?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828631.page GMT
There is the danger that a lot more kids who get the set for chrimbo will get fed up very quickly if they are struggling to have an enjoyable game because there are no step by step scenarios to help learn the ropes.

That way there will be potentially fewer sales, post starter set.

ok maybe I am being cynical too

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828705.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828705.page GMT GW. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828712.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828712.page GMT GW figured out that a good chunk of sales for the last stater kits were coming from vets, and in typical fashion, tried to go in two directions at once without really getting very far in either?[/quote]

Say, wait a minute...

[quote=Chibi Bodge-Battle]Dunno if I would be that cynical Ktulhut

There is the danger that a lot more kids who get the set for chrimbo will get fed up very quickly if they are struggling to have an enjoyable game because there are no step by step scenarios to help learn the ropes.

That way there will be potentially fewer sales, post starter set.

ok maybe I am being cynical too

[/quote]

No, no I don't think so.

You're both probably right, though I really do think Ktulhut's hit on something here...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828759.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828759.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828891.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828891.page GMT
What he said.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828941.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1828941.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1829123.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1829123.page GMT
This also means me, not my hubby, gets control of the doesn't-break-your-back rulebook, which is key ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1829494.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1829494.page GMT ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1829528.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1829528.page GMT [/quote]

Have I lost my mind? That box isn't released yet!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1829852.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1829852.page GMT [/quote]

Have I lost my mind? That box isn't released yet![/quote]

No, you haven't.

It just went on PRE-ORDER yesterday, right?

And for most of use, eBay-ing the minis we want after release will be the way to go.

We'll have to wait until the enthusiasm/hysteria dies down though as initially I'm betting the minis will go for 'too much' and be overbid.

But eventually, the Griffin will be mine!!! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1829902.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1829902.page GMT
My bad Scotty should have phrased it differently. Was anticipating people having fututre spare copies.

And hoping to avoid the enevitable ebay feeding frenzy]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1829940.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1829940.page GMT

Yet to arrange a swap with someone but i'll cross that bridge when i come to it.

On the subject of the price, it's higher than skull pass was (i think) but i kinda expected it to be £60, especially if you split the cost between you and someone else. You paid £30 and you get a griffon for starters, that would normally be around that price, and probably in metal!

The thing that annoys me is that i won't, legally, get to use that griffon in non-island of blood games. You can only have a max of 25% lords, and the very base price for a prince on griffon is 350pts, meaning i'll have to take my HE up to 1400 at least before i can use it. And that's not adding in the prices of magic weapons etc.... Same goes for the fact that only a small proportion of the HE part is core. So i'll probably have to grab a HE battilion as well, poor wallet If you look at it that way, players who have bought the set to start a skaven army have a much better deal.

]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1831059.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1831059.page GMT Le Grognard]Wow. Soundls like they threw in some pretty models and a rule book and said, "here it is, if you want to know more, buy more stuff." Not surprising.[/quote]

Bear in mind folks that mini rulebook includes the scenario section too. As far as I can tell, the only thing missing is the rules for the models themselves. If they want it to be a true starter set, there should be at least a basic army list for each force with brief rules for each unit. This wouldn't stop you buying the army book as any Skaven Warlord worth his warpstone wants some of the crazy stuff too (Abominations, Doomwheels etc) together with the rules. This omission is a bit slack IMO and prevents it from being a pick up and play set.

Parent "There you go little Jimmy, everything you need to play the crazy wargame you've been badgering me about."
GW Employee "Um... well actually, you're going to need to spend another £30 on these two army books otherwise you've just spent £60 for nothing."
[/quote]
... and the painting compendium for X£.

And with scenarios we mean "first steps to learn the rules" scenarios as in the current starter booklet. The new "read this first" booklet is just a big RTFM-sign, so the box is a nice two-gamer-batallion, but not a starter, as you have to read the same 200 pages as in the BRB with no assistance from GW. Lucky, if you have a GW store or FLGS who introduces you to the game. Bad luck if you don't. The you have the plug-and-read-200-pages-and-100pagearmybook-and-play version. No doubt the rest of the box is great, but it doesn't help people to start playing Warhammer.[/quote]

Aww bless. They think they know what they're on about!

The Island of Blood is billed and promoted as the introductory gateway to the Hobby, NOT the be all and end all. Done correctly (and not everyone will, but that is the fault of the individual not the whole) you have a new Hobbyists very aware of what is involved.

And time for a secret.....Parents actually LOVE this hobby, and all the free activities their kids can attend, and are more than happy to shell out for new bits and bobs, safe in the knowledge that the Staff are there to advise their kid on what they need, to make sure they buy stuff that's useful. Like a second tactical squad, instead of the Landraider.

But of course, I merely have first hand experience. Your opinionating based on third or worse hand experience clearly outweights my own.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1831562.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1831562.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1831718.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1831718.page GMT WHFB so far, I can't wait for this set to be released. My friend wants the High Elves, so I get to be the skaven. Of course, I'm still trying to get him to buy the rulebook now so I can keep the copy that comes with the box.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1834050.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1834050.page GMT Lol, good luck, that things the same price as the Island of Blood isn't it? You might as well buy one each and trade the minis...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1834106.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1834106.page GMT
[quote=Scryer in the Darkness]So, we've been getting all excited about Island of Blood as well as chatting about October's High Elves, but how about some Skaven info... they're coming too y'know.

Well, the first lot of four blisters (the currently undefined ones) will be hitting in the second release slot for September and comprise that bitz pack that everybody's gonna love (well at least I think it will be greatly appreciated by many) and the other three, well, let's just say they are three old friends who you will want to give a big ol' hug when you see them... or is it them that will be doing the hugging? [/quote]
Which is a bit odd, as they are not featured on the GW release poster for September. ANother one from today:
[quote=GodlessM]Got a glimpse at the finished HPA yesterday. What a big model, and very grotesque in my opinion. [/quote]
If something more concrete is known, I will start a new thread.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1834631.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1834631.page GMT Shipped to Australia
2 from Maelstrom is £108
2 from Wayland is £104

Just saying.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1834658.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1834658.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1841698.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1841698.page GMT
[i]The time has come for the new Games Workshop starter set release! The Island of Blood will offer new players a start up set with two armies included and enough to play a game right out the box! For those of us that are veterans of the game, it's a great way to save some dough while starting a new army or bolstering your forces! At our standard 20% off discount your sure to save even more money.

If you buy two or more Island of Blood's and mention that you read this Newsletter we will ship your order FREE OF CHARGE! This offer last until next monday, August 23rd.[/i]]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1842141.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1842141.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1902874.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1902874.page GMT http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1902904.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1902904.page GMT
wat]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1902920.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1902920.page GMT
As this box set is now available, please feel to open up more specific threads in the appropriate sections.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1902926.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/300189/1902926.page GMT