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i was never a fan of the legion beasts, and i still dont dig them.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3571238.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3571238.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF am happy that they are bringing in plastic warbeasts ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3571248.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3571248.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3571256.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3571256.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF PP's whole line. It's really unfortunate because I like the faction's play style and overall theme, just can't bring myself to buy those crappy models. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3571412.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3571412.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3571454.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3571454.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
PP does that sometimes and its SUPER lame. In this case, in the art that main bundle of tentacles is just hanging from the face area. The two barbed ones are up and out in a sort of reaching position like feelers. It looks WAY better than this tubular end result. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3572020.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3572020.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3572898.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3572898.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
I'm feeling better and better about halting my PP collecting around the release of Wrath.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3572980.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3572980.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
I've voiced it on other boards, but I feel that a Character beast should have its own unique model. The fact that he is simply a head upgrade is disappointing, BUT it keeps costs down, and for a beast I don't plan on using hardly ever, I'm ok with it. Get some magnets, and bam, you have insta-Proteus when you deem him worthy to run for 11 pts and crap animus lol. Vayl and Abby are the only ones I'm seeing any real uses.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3573151.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3573151.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3573509.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3573509.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF PP's Models Look Better In Person Than In Photos'. I love the Legion beast sculpts. Big, heavy pieces with good lines. I'm hoping that the photo is what makes this guy FUgly, and not the sculpt itself.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3573707.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3573707.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3574101.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3574101.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/warbeasts/proteus

Maybe you'll like the 3d rotation better?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3574156.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3574156.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF B2B in cramped combat conditions, given that his face gets in the way when oriented towards his target, his tail gets in the way when away, and the same will interfere with anything standing to the sides. And that's just the model construction.

Hopefully it's just the paintjob and picture-taking that make him look underwhelming as a model. Wouldn't be the first time, either. And I find it strange that they mounted him on a Ravagore body, when the artwork definitely depicts him with Carnivean claws.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3574616.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3574616.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
Would certainly link him thematically with Abs and the forsaken to be a bit asymetrical.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3574680.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3574680.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3574682.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3574682.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF

It might look kind of cool if he's got his tentacles angled up and out like some kind of warcry. Would generally help with model clearance as well. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3578183.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3578183.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3579338.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3579338.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF
Luckily both Proteus and the Throne have underwelming rules so I don't feel any need to add either one of them to my collection...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3599503.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3599503.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
eVayl can give it stealth and yo-yo it like mad.
pVayl - Again, Yo-yo status.

It doesn't use fury so its completely independent of the caster much like units, so it might replace certain infintry choices also or in bigger games help support them. Battlewizard is nice and the spells are good. Kill 3 infintry with tentacles and then Spine burst for another 1+1d3. Give it Carnivore for +2 hit and healing and you're having a good time.

Proteus on the other hand is 2 pts more and feels kinda MEH to me. I need to test him out with different lists before I make a final verdict.

I am toying around with an Abby list with the throne and Proteus hehe. Gonna mod Abby to have tentacles and bam, you have a anime fight club. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3606422.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3606422.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
More seriously though, why is that thing MAT 6? Fury 5 is cool and all but 11pts for a MAT 6 beast who's most powerful attack is a 16 is kinda trash. A Scythean hits harder and against heavier targets with its chain attack will generate the same number of initials for 2pts less and has the same threat range. It also kinda blows if you're betting on the Reach attack hitting since if it misses and the target isn't in .5" both of your initial claw attacks are also wasted.

As far as the kit, it doesn't look poseable. All three heavies are in the same pose and most of more organic plastics are single pose only as opposed to warjacks who have convienient ball joints.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3607576.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3607576.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
Yeah Proteus leaves me scratching my head. Honestly for 11 pts I would have expected Mat 7 with a higher STR stat to boost those arms to 17. It would make him fieldable. Or make him MAT 7 and give him elasticity like the Swamp horror, and you'd see him team up with a carni who now has reach with that pow 18 bite. Or better yet, Typhon

Its really too bad they didn't make him more impressive because compared to a Carni, I would basically never choose him first, and I already have trouble choosing the Carni over the Scythean/Ravagore so he's at the back of the line for beast selection to me in almost (if not every) list I make.

Shrug?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3608686.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3608686.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
Proteus is like an ARM 19 Shepherd that has like 30 hp. lol]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3609393.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3609393.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF eLylyth, you got a warbeast with Drag and you complain. I'm not entirely sure what's wrong with Legion players...]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3609437.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3609437.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
In a faction with phenomenal beasts who are already at war with one another point wise, its hard to justify Proteus. Play eLylyth and put Proteus in a list vs. any high ARM force and you're going to be facing the same issues she always does. Feat turn does however give you two 10" drags, IF you can land a hit at MAT 6, so its nice, but 11pts for nice seems kinda meh to me. Also, if you drag the first one close enough to be considered engaged (which I believe you HAVE to) that second shot does nothing. I'd rather have another Ravagore

Hey, you never know, maybe more testing and actually playing with him on the table will prove my knee-jerk response wrong. But its how I see it as it stands.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3609483.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3609483.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
Laughing Man wrote:In a faction with eLylyth, you got a warbeast with Drag and you complain. I'm not entirely sure what's wrong with Legion players...


Please don't generalise, I for one am very happy with our first Fury5 Warbeast, with its reach chain weapons and dragging shenanigans.
The model isn't the best IMO but Everblight isn't about the pretty, it is about the abominations, especially with Abby.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3609655.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3609655.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
Laughing Man wrote:In a faction with eLylyth, you got a warbeast with Drag and you complain. I'm not entirely sure what's wrong with Legion players...


Haha, Drag on a 6" RNG weapon. I guess it goes up to 10" on the feat turn, but then why is eLylyth getting her target in melee in the first place?]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3612465.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3612465.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF
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I liked the Carnivean, but basing almost all of the heavies on the same body is beginning to be annoying, IMHO.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3613988.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3613988.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF
Mechnomancer wrote:To drag whatever was blocking line of sight to your caster away. Now the Ravagores and bolt Throwers can see you.


Note that with pretty simple positioning and a cheap solo Proteus can get two Drags off on feat turn. That can be a Big Deal, especially for someone like Nemo or Severius that die to a stiff breeze without their screen.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3614563.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3614563.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3614807.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3614807.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3614943.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3614943.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF
sourclams wrote:
Mechnomancer wrote:To drag whatever was blocking line of sight to your caster away. Now the Ravagores and bolt Throwers can see you.


Note that with pretty simple positioning and a cheap solo Proteus can get two Drags off on feat turn. That can be a Big Deal, especially for someone like Nemo or Severius that die to a stiff breeze without their screen.


Has that been clarified. 'cause after the first one, you are now in melee and cannot shoot.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3615682.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3615682.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF
sourclams wrote:
Mechnomancer wrote:To drag whatever was blocking line of sight to your caster away. Now the Ravagores and bolt Throwers can see you.


Note that with pretty simple positioning and a cheap solo Proteus can get two Drags off on feat turn. That can be a Big Deal, especially for someone like Nemo or Severius that die to a stiff breeze without their screen.


Bolt throwers already do that with a pair of crits from much longer range, I guess it's better to not need a crit, but you almost get 2 for the same points.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3615752.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3615752.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF
Mechnomancer wrote:
sourclams wrote:
Mechnomancer wrote:To drag whatever was blocking line of sight to your caster away. Now the Ravagores and bolt Throwers can see you.


Note that with pretty simple positioning and a cheap solo Proteus can get two Drags off on feat turn. That can be a Big Deal, especially for someone like Nemo or Severius that die to a stiff breeze without their screen.


Has that been clarified. 'cause after the first one, you are now in melee and cannot shoot.

Drag gives you a free melee attack after the push. A POW 14 and a follow-up POW 16 will quite often kill whatever it is you're whacking, assuming it isn't a heavy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3615939.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3615939.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF
Mechnomancer wrote:
sourclams wrote:
Mechnomancer wrote:To drag whatever was blocking line of sight to your caster away. Now the Ravagores and bolt Throwers can see you.


Note that with pretty simple positioning and a cheap solo Proteus can get two Drags off on feat turn. That can be a Big Deal, especially for someone like Nemo or Severius that die to a stiff breeze without their screen.


Has that been clarified. 'cause after the first one, you are now in melee and cannot shoot.


Drag has 10" range on feat turn. Before proteus activates, position a Strider Deathstalker between Proteus and the heavy you want to drag.

Now Drag it with Proteus. As soon as it hits the Strider, the Drag is done and Proteus is not engaged in melee yet because the Drag target stopped outside of his melee range.

Assuming you positioned things correctly, you now get a second Drag attempt versus another model.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3615999.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3615999.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF eLylyth lists (and Legion in general) are already tight on points, but hey, to each his own.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3619856.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3619856.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF
I was thinking of trying this out in an eThag list. His herding ability void be useful after the alpha strike of fourteen shredders. Many are usually out of eThags control range.

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Mechnomancer wrote:
I was thinking of trying this out in an eThag list. His herding ability void be useful after the alpha strike of fourteen shredders. Many are usually out of eThags control range.


Use a Shepherd and voilá, you can now bring 5 extra Shredders!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3624768.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3624768.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF

Proteus? Not so much.

Keep in mind it's also a FURY 5 warbeast with 5 initial attacks, in ideal circumstances.

Ranged tentacle attack
Drag to melee ends in 1 free melee attack
Initial Tentacle attack
claw
claw

buy x5 attacks?

Three of those attacks ignore shields as well, which is occasionally useful. Either way this thing can pump out a pretty decent amount of damage, in addition to its awesome HERDING ability. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3625592.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3625592.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3625660.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3625660.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
That many attacks and fury sounds great on paper, but vs DEF 14+ infintry it'll be a whiff party. Vs. heavies it'll take average rolls to hit so lots of misses and fury blown on boosting to hit instead of additional attacks.

He has reach so the drag with the Deathstalker would work but needs to be spaced perfectly, and now you have an additional 2 pt solo wasted in melee.. IDK, it all sounds wishy washy.

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correlation2 wrote:The Shepherd is a single wound model with average defensive stats - chances are it will be killed very easily.


Proteus? Not so much.

Keep in mind it's also a FURY 5 warbeast with 5 initial attacks, in ideal circumstances.

Ranged tentacle attack
Drag to melee ends in 1 free melee attack
Initial Tentacle attack
claw
claw

buy x5 attacks?

Three of those attacks ignore shields as well, which is occasionally useful. Either way this thing can pump out a pretty decent amount of damage, in addition to its awesome HERDING ability.


For the Drag to work, he has first to hit with that RAT 6 and then has to damage his target with POW 14 before dragging him! You are more likelly than not, boosting at least one of those rolls to make sure that he gets to drag its target.

Then Proteus has MAT 6 and POW 16. Against any decent infantry he is going to have to boost the attack roll and against any heavy warjack he is going to have to boost the damage roll. All of a sudden those 5 Fury aren't nearly enough any more.

The Shepherd is a small based model that can be kept 8" away from the warbeasts that he is herding. If your oponent wants to kill it it will kill it but then again, that is also true of almost any model in your army.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3628094.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3628094.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3629747.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3629747.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF STs.

MAT 6 is the average for things nowadays, and easily more than enough to go jack hunting with. The damage is enough to take out spirals or systems.

Another advantage he offers is... well, adding threat range to your army. Now you can keep something valuable like an Angelius further back so it doesn't get wasted up field. It can charge and use its *attack to do some armor piercing shenanigans. There's really all kinds of options. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3630038.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3630038.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
I keep seeing the argument that Proteus with an Angel can take down a heavy together no problem, but thats 20 pts... 20, for what I could pay 9 for... Just saying.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3631058.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3631058.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF

So its kind of like an 17" AP charge. Kinda cool. ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3632145.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3632145.page GMT Re:New Legion Warbeast...WTF
skrulnik wrote:Proteus Drags on Hit, not damage.


No. The Tentacle Lash (ranged weapon) drags on damage, the Tentacles (mellee weapon with a wooping 2" range) push on hit.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3632555.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3632555.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF ARM 20 ) you'll do the necessary 1 point of damage more often than not.

Even cooler if you wander up and snag Triumph or something though, ignoring his shield and dragging him into melee. Nom nom nom!]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3633317.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3633317.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
correlation2 wrote:
Even cooler if you wander up and snag Triumph or something though, ignoring his shield and dragging him into melee. Nom nom nom!


Yeah, you should have about the same chance of seeing either of them in a competitive list! ]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3633386.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3633386.page GMT New Legion Warbeast...WTF
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Did the same for Scythean anyway.

edit: Threadomancy, sowwy.]]> http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3869303.page http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/preList/410761/3869303.page GMT