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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
So SM still have to field one of the flying shoeboxes instead of a LR or Rhino or, idk what else`?
Pure buisness decision.
Give it some 3-6 months and they suddendly remember that they should get access to it.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
I don't consider any opponent's repulsor to be WYSIWYG unless they've painted a "you must be this tall to ride this ride" sign on the side of the door.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
the_scotsman wrote: I don't consider any opponent's repulsor to be WYSIWYG unless they've painted a "you must be this tall to ride this ride" sign on the side of the door.
I so which I could model as that's screams for a diarama of a scout on another scouts shoulders with a camo cloak trying to oretent to be one of the new primaris models to ride a repulsor.
As I understand it, the regular marines wouldn't be tall enough to be held securely by the harnesses in the Repulsor. That is to say, the regular marines need child seats.
The fact that the regular guys can't ride the Repulsor isn't particularly concerning; since I don't generally feel a need to put regular guys in a Repulsor, but I do kind of which Primaris could fit in Razorbacks or something not hideously expensive.
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Guardsmen, hear me! Cadia may lie in ruin, but her proud people do not! For each brother and sister who gave their lives to Him as martyrs, we will reap a vengeance fiftyfold! Cadia may be no more, but will never be forgotten; our foes shall tremble in fear at the name, for their doom shall come from the barrels of Cadian guns, fired by Cadian hands! Forward, for vengeance and retribution, in His name and the names of our fallen comrades!
the_scotsman wrote: I don't consider any opponent's repulsor to be WYSIWYG unless they've painted a "you must be this tall to ride this ride" sign on the side of the door.
That's actually pretty funny. =)
"The only problem with your genepool is that there wasn't a lifeguard on duty to prevent you from swimming."
"You either die a Morty, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Rick."
the_scotsman wrote: I don't consider any opponent's repulsor to be WYSIWYG unless they've painted a "you must be this tall to ride this ride" sign on the side of the door.
Say, do you like to build Dioramas?
Because that is one i would love to see.
That or a child seat for spacemarines.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Eihnlazer wrote: Just wait till you guys see cawls new LR equivalent tank...…
The Denyer
Big fat grav tank with 4 heavy Onslaught cannons and a twin laz talon. 20 wounds, toughness 8, 14" move, 2+ save, PotMS, gravitic backwash, fly.
"can transport 10 models, cannot transport regular space marines, primaris marines, terminators, scouts, centurions, dreadnoughts, bikers, models with FLY, or Servitors."
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Not Online!!! wrote: So SM still have to field one of the flying shoeboxes instead of a LR or Rhino or, idk what else`?
Pure buisness decision.
Give it some 3-6 months and they suddendly remember that they should get access to it.
Or maybe the noble machine spirt of a land raider knows that primaris are a tech abomination and don't let them in.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
Not Online!!! wrote: So SM still have to field one of the flying shoeboxes instead of a LR or Rhino or, idk what else`?
Pure buisness decision.
Give it some 3-6 months and they suddendly remember that they should get access to it.
Or maybe the noble machine spirt of a land raider knows that primaris are a tech abomination and don't let them in.
See you wouldn't have this problem with Daemonengines, way more reliable, all let in equally and eaten also equally.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
As I understood it the issue was that regular marines and Primaris use different charger cables.
The Land Raider bothers me less than the Storm Raven. If anything ought to be dual purpose it's the big flying transport; a Dreadnaught and 12 Marines / 6 Termies / 4 Centurions - OR - 12 primaris / 6 Aggressors.
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Not Online!!! wrote: So SM still have to field one of the flying shoeboxes instead of a LR or Rhino or, idk what else`?
Pure buisness decision.
Give it some 3-6 months and they suddendly remember that they should get access to it.
Or maybe the noble machine spirt of a land raider knows that primaris are a tech abomination and don't let them in.
See you wouldn't have this problem with Daemonengines, way more reliable, all let in equally and eaten also equally.
Probably only partialy true, the chaos land raider would be used to the 10k old taste of good old legion space marines. Suddenly being given a chaos primaris, would be a bit like my moms husband reaction to korean fusion cooking after 40 years of living on a polish meat diet. The new marines would just not taste the same.
Maybe tzeench demons would like it, they are in to the whole change thing. But in general we like the same old stories, same old food and same old things.
New things=bad.
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
Normal Marines have too refined a sense of style to wish to ride in a shoe which was covered in glue and rolled in a bits box.
There's a reason it is called the Repulsive, after all.
Unfortunately for the Primaris, they are too tall to fit through the various hatches on the Land Raider without comedy A New Hope Stormtrooper incidents, and after the first half ozen times it happened, Roboute declared they shall not ride in proper vehicles, for enemies were sniggering at them too much...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote: This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote: You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something...
Not Online!!! wrote: So SM still have to field one of the flying shoeboxes instead of a LR or Rhino or, idk what else`?
Pure buisness decision. Give it some 3-6 months and they suddendly remember that they should get access to it.
Or maybe the noble machine spirt of a land raider knows that primaris are a tech abomination and don't let them in.
See you wouldn't have this problem with Daemonengines, way more reliable, all let in equally and eaten also equally.
Probably only partialy true, the chaos land raider would be used to the 10k old taste of good old legion space marines. Suddenly being given a chaos primaris, would be a bit like my moms husband reaction to korean fusion cooking after 40 years of living on a polish meat diet. The new marines would just not taste the same. Maybe tzeench demons would like it, they are in to the whole change thing. But in general we like the same old stories, same old food and same old things. New things=bad.
Considering also that it eats plague marines i think it ain't that picky
But seriously, i can't understand their point, beyond selling it artifically by forcing all people that want a transport for primaris to buy it. Then again it is waaaaay more expensive then a rhino.
Not Online!!! wrote: So SM still have to field one of the flying shoeboxes instead of a LR or Rhino or, idk what else`?
Pure buisness decision. Give it some 3-6 months and they suddendly remember that they should get access to it.
Let's ponder this a bit more deeply.
Does GW sell more kits when any model can embark on any transport or when certain models are restricted?
Is this *any* different than Centurions not being able to hop onto Rhinos, but are ok in 10 man Land Raiders?
Kinda, Basically they force people that want a transport for Primaris to buy the new more expensive repulsor, instead of using the Rhinos which anyone will have. Later they allow cross transportation to further their sales. Atleast that ^'s how i would do it. To basically double dip in scarcity.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Daedalus81 wrote: That doesn't increase sales. Either those people have only Primaris to transport or they have mini-marines already and no new purchase is made.
The key is to deny the use of old rhinos.
That is why it was done.
Their idea is that Veterans only will buy the most necessary things and fill gaps with their collection, in order to prevent that, they deny the use of Rhinos for primaris.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Considering also that it eats plague marines i think it ain't that picky
But seriously, i can't understand their point, beyond selling it artifically by forcing all people that want a transport for primaris to buy it.
Then again it is waaaaay more expensive then a rhino.
I have family in Malmo, they eat fermented shark meat. IMO being used to the taste is more important then what you eat. I mean one of our reginal dishs, which I love, could be described as a hagis in soup form.
But jokes aside I wouldn't be suprised if in 2-3 years, there were primaris not-rhinos, primaris not-bikers, primaris not-assault sm. the more they show primaris models, the more it looks like as if 8th was suppose to be a full game reset same way Fantasy was reset. They didn't like the reaction AoS got when it came out. And are too scared to risk w40k, which unlike WFB does nice make money for them. And if my friend is right, which I hope he is not, GW is just making old the baby marines bad to make their players hate their armies so much, that when real primaris codex hits the stores people will drop their old SW/DA etc like a rotten potato.
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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
Primaris in Rhinos is a considerable balance issue. That's the common refrain - "I don't have anything worth transporting". I'm sure aggressors would love to pay minimum points to get transported.
Daedalus81 wrote: Primaris in Rhinos is a considerable balance issue. That's the common refrain - "I don't have anything worth transporting". I'm sure aggressors would love to pay minimum points to get transported.
Mind you i never stated anything about balance of Primaris in Rhinos.
I just said that it probably is there to incentivice the purchase of the Flying shoebox.
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.