Ok Guys

Just a little harmless fun really. In the same vein as Alien vs Predator, what fictional soldiers could make mince meat of the Space Marines?

GW has done a pretty good job of making them pretty badass elite, and I'm only talking fiction fluff here, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN GAME RULES!!! so.....what fictional soldiers out there could cut the Marines a second butt hole? equiring minds wish to know

I'm gonna kick off with suggesting that any Bodhisattva Post Human from the Infinity setting would take down a Marine with ease, what with nano repair swarms, faster and stronger bodies, no need for power armour, and being practically immortal, not just slowed down aging, I'd say these guys rip!

Now over to you

A mad elephant would do it...

Chuck Norris?

Dr. Cox

The dog Bolt from the movie.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/238097.page

A whole Chapter of Space Marines are moving down a road when they hear a voice call from behind a sand dune. "One U S Special Forces soldier is better than ten Space Marines."

The Space Marine Force Commander quickly sends his Elite Retinue over the dune whereupon a gun battle breaks and continues for a few minutes, then silence.

The voice then calls out "One U S Special Forces soldier is better than one hundred Space Marines."

Furious, the Taliban commander sends his next best 100 troops over the dune and instantly a huge gunfight commences. After 10 minutes of battle, again silence.

The American voice calls out again "One U S Special Forces soldier is better than your whole fething Chapter."

The enraged Force Commander musters one thousand Space Marines and sends them across the dune. Cannons, missiles and bolters ring out as a huge battle is fought. Then silence.

Eventually one wounded Space Marine crawls back over the dune and with his dying words tells his commander, "Don't send any more men, it's a trap. There's actually two of them."

Rico...

Mr. Zurkon

Ewoks.

James Tiberius Kirk that man could could kick any 40K dudes ass..then sleep with their females.

Durandal wrote:Ewoks.

lol
I hope they don't park their land speeders out in the open.

J.Black wrote:Chuck Norris?

Game.

Set.

Match.

Yeah, with the mention of Chuck Norris, I'm on the erge of begging the mods to lock this thread....in fact, based on the answers, can we delete this?

Maybe archaon the everlasting from whfb? I mean, he took a 'thirster in single combat.

Delephont wrote:Yeah, with the mention of Chuck Norris, I'm on the erge of begging the mods to lock this thread....in fact, based on the answers, can we delete this?

You can't open with the phrase "harmless fun" and not expect silly answers dood :p

The World's Most Interesting Man in the World. He is a lover, not a fighter. But he's also a fighter so don't get any ideas.

mobile infantry trooper from starship troopers (book not crappy movies). Flamers and nukes oh my!

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:

Delephont wrote:Yeah, with the mention of Chuck Norris, I'm on the erge of begging the mods to lock this thread....in fact, based on the answers, can we delete this?

You can't open with the phrase "harmless fun" and not expect silly answers dood :p

Fair point!...fair point.

However, the main point I was getting at, is that GW has spent no little amount of effort in making their Imperial Marines out to be the toughest of the tough, more so, in my opinion, then any other fantasy or Sci Fi setting.

It took me a while to find a comparible super soldier that in a fictional vs match with a Marine would actually stand a chance, and would probably win!

I was hoping the topic would draw a more, inventive and creative turn of debate, then....Chuck Norris, or a Mad Elephant.....

Still if thats the best that Dakka can produce, i shall quietly step back and allow to the thread to degeneraate into yet another ridiculous waste of 0 and 1s

Orbital Bonboanbardlements

Lord of battles wrote:Orbital Bombardlements

I believe the term you mean is 'bonboanbardlements'. Man that website was funny.

Fixed it! Damn right that website is funny!

bigbadom wrote:i had a freind come round a few weeks ago to have a 40k apocalpocalpse game i was guards men he was space maines. my first turn was 4 bonbaonbardlements... jacobs turn to he didnt have one i phased out.

Rico wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/238097.page

A whole Chapter of Space Marines are moving down a road when they hear a voice call from behind a sand dune. "One U S Special Forces soldier is better than ten Space Marines."

The Space Marine Force Commander quickly sends his Elite Retinue over the dune whereupon a gun battle breaks and continues for a few minutes, then silence.

The voice then calls out "One U S Special Forces soldier is better than one hundred Space Marines."

Furious, the Taliban commander sends his next best 100 troops over the dune and instantly a huge gunfight commences. After 10 minutes of battle, again silence.

The American voice calls out again "One U S Special Forces soldier is better than your whole fething Chapter."

The enraged Force Commander musters one thousand Space Marines and sends them across the dune. Cannons, missiles and bolters ring out as a huge battle is fought. Then silence.

Eventually one wounded Space Marine crawls back over the dune and with his dying words tells his commander, "Don't send any more men, it's a trap. There's actually two of them."

Rico...

A the military joke.There is an ork variant of it.

Bloodletters of khorne

An inquisitor.

The only fictional soliders "in [remotely/faintly] the same vein" as SMs I can think of wouldn't give them a run for their money, but could do some damage. HALO's Spartans and StarCraft's Terran Marines could hold their own, imo, against Tacs, provided that they stay the frick back and don't engage up-close. All in all though, the Tacs would still outclass them in every aspect(damage potential, resilience, experience, skill, squad cohesiveness, speed, etc.).

Off-topic: a slightly fairer showdown would be SC Ghosts vs. Vindicare Assassins.

Another Space Marine, better if he's a Chaos Space Marine.

Plasma Weapons...usually their own

About the SC Ghost vs Vindicare Assasins, the matchup favours the Ghost, since he is not only a sniper but also a psionic (pysker-eque) being.

As for something that can take down a Space Marine just take a look at some of the typical comic book superheros, most of them can take a SM one on one, but I really doubt they could take on a company of them.

Take Hulk for example, sure he is like a Uber-Ork Warboss, but a couple of Psykers should make quick work of him if they get cover from Tac squads. I also doubt that the green dude can recover from some good melta blasts.

Another versus thread?

Halo Spartans are in the same league but still inferior. Terran Marines probably are as well (I'd put a Vindicare Assassin over most Ghosts as well. They're much better trained and have their own cloaking ability, sensor mask, and special ammunition rounds that will actually hurt their opponent (Lockdown is great, but not against another sniper)). As Frazzled noted, (the book) Colonial Marines are better.

Jedi are probably better than Tactical Marines, although they would go down quickly to Librarians or the like. Iron Golems from D&D could be hard to go against. Warjacks could probably take them on (although they might not qualify as "soldiers" in that sense). I'm not too knowledgeable about Exalted, but everything there is like Dragonball Z, so I'm sure there are quite a few soldiers who could destroy SMs. And, I suppose that means Super Saiyans would be another contender. Big Daddies might be able to hold their own. Some of the elite demons from Diablo. Quite a few Pokemon.

My top ten from least to greatest:

Death Star
Gundam Death Scythe
Michael Weston
Legolas and his infinite never ending quiver or arrows
Jack O'Neil
The 300 Spartans
Ninjas in Florescent Orange Track Suits
Rambo
Lenny Brisco

and finally:

Sniper Kittens

Maybe Ringwraiths?

I think most Warcasters from Privateer Press would do fine, one on one.

Does Spiderman count as a Super Soldier? I think he could take down a marine, eventually. It'd be a good fight though!
Lots of other superheroes could manage it, but Spidey would be the most entertaining I think.

Kyle katarn would be ownage vs marines.

Da Boss wrote:I think most Warcasters from Privateer Press would do fine, one on one.

I wouldn't really consider them front-line soldiers, though. They're more like wizard-generals or something, aren't they?

Does Spiderman count as a Super Soldier?

Uh...



Wasn't he accidentally bit by a radioactive spider? And then became a vigilante?

Batman vs. Space Marines.
Weapon of Choice? Stairs.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Batman vs. Space Marines.
Weapon of Choice? Stairs.

What can take down a space marine? A well placed flight of stairs!

Since they have been mentioned, Spartans are basically Space Marines wearing different armor that has shields. Elites could probably take them on, Hunters possibly, but there aren't too many hunters.

I think Gordon Freeman stands a chance

Spartan armor is inferior to Power Armor by quite a bit, as it takes very little to kill a spartan without his shield active. And in truth it probably takes less to kill a Spartan with his shield active than it takes to kill a Space Marine (since the missiles killing him instantly are probably some sort of shaped charge). Their standard weapons are also far weaker.

They would be a threat to Space Marines, definitely, but they wouldn't equal them.

Ehhh Rambos just a really good Catachan fighter imo.

well now that you ask a space marine is 16 points each and a grot is 3 points each you can get a max of 5 grots for 15 points
Now a grot is a monster with natural shooting skill, the ability to take the beating from hulking brutes hourly, a jaw full of teeth, nothing to lose and, ADHD
With 2 attacks each on charge and 1 shot at bs 3 at the power of a lasgun before a charge Not bad for 3 points

Cheesepie wrote:Now a grot is a monster with natural shooting skill, the ability to take the beating from hulking brutes hourly, a jaw full of teeth, nothing to lose and, ADHD

I recall having expressed suspiciously similar thoughts on the creatures myself.

I saw this thread and instantly thought:
Space marines vs. Bolos!

A Bolo would kill a whole fething chapter...including spacegoing craft, all personnel and facilities, and all vehicles...

SAS. Hands down. That or a tank collumn.

A guy with an RPG.
A guy with a sniper rifle.
A guy with a roadside bomb.
A guy with a bag of bricks on top of a tall building.
A guy with a faulty water heater which produces carbon monoxide fumes that suffocate the SM in his sleep.

The logical flaw with SMs is that while they are awesome at straight 1-2-1 combat, they aren't invulnerable or immortal and can be killed in a variety of fairly ordinary means.

Because they are so expensive, and relatively easy to kill, they will usually lose by attrition to ordinary troops.

A 'please dont point that at my planet gun', or a Cute furry death grenade.

well I dunno if these count but:

A Predator (as you metioned in the opening post), I doubt a SM would last long against an alien with above human strength, invisiblity, Shoulder mounted cannons and lots of other nasty weapons. Not to metion a lot of practice. Plus if the predators die they will just blow the planet up with them.

Terminators ( the elite ones). They seem almost indestructible and have a lot of built in weapons and other tricks. By the time a SM realised that it wasn't human he would probably be about to die.

Both these depend on where the fight is happening. On a open field SM could take most things but in a forest or city they aren't so good. as its a lot easier to sneak up on them.

Someone armed with the holy handgrenade of Antioch.

oggers wrote:Someone armed with the holy handgrenade of Antioch.

Dude I was going to say that XD.

The Devourer wrote:well I dunno if these count but:

A Predator (as you metioned in the opening post), I doubt a SM would last long against an alien with above human strength, invisiblity, Shoulder mounted cannons and lots of other nasty weapons. Not to metion a lot of practice. Plus if the predators die they will just blow the planet up with them.

Terminators ( the elite ones). They seem almost indestructible and have a lot of built in weapons and other tricks. By the time a SM realised that it wasn't human he would probably be about to die.

Both these depend on where the fight is happening. On a open field SM could take most things but in a forest or city they aren't so good. as its a lot easier to sneak up on them.

Yes a predator. But I don't think it would take down the whole planet with it's bomb. Just a sizable area. Look at when he plants a bomb in AVP, or were they're fighting next 2 the pyramids (in the flash back). The whole planet doesn't get taken down...maybe just a mile.

I reckon the Space Marine would kill him. He towers over the terminator, and could pull it apart limp-for-limb with ease. Heck, they could decapitate it with a punch. And then we take the powerfists/swords into account....

You underestimate the power of space marine hearing. They have uber-super hearing which owns that of a guardsman. And they have sensors in their helmet, i.e heat.

I reckon a marine in terminator armour could take down a predator, a terminator and an eldar aspect warrior without breaking stride.

Hmmm, a team of spartans might be able to take down individual marines. Likewise a group of Sangheili or Jiralhanae could do well. A bonded pair of Lekgolo would be a threat. AI's would be interesting, especially if they could take over machine spirits.

A lot of jedi would be capable of taking down at least one space marine. Some individual jedi would be capable of taking down a lot more than one (Reven, Nihilus, Luke (NJO), Kenobi (Episode III)).

Terminators, assuming the marine doesn't immediately realize something is wrong, might be able to take out a marine.

Powerful wizards from the Harry Potter universe could take out marines, but I doubt they could dodge bolter shells.

Ringwraiths are tough, but they don't seem LOLWTF fast or strong, so I doubt that they could take out SM.

Archimonde or Kil'jaedan could take out marines and the titans would be nasty.

Diablo, Baal, and Mephiston were powerful, I'd bet they could take on individuals. Duriel could kill the entire Ultramarines chapter at once.

A high level Wizard from DnD 3.5 would kill marines.

Kilkrazy wrote:A guy with an RPG.
A guy with a sniper rifle.
A guy with a roadside bomb.
A guy with a bag of bricks on top of a tall building.
A guy with a faulty water heater which produces carbon monoxide fumes that suffocate the SM in his sleep.

The logical flaw with SMs is that while they are awesome at straight 1-2-1 combat, they aren't invulnerable or immortal and can be killed in a variety of fairly ordinary means.

Space Marines are relatively unfazed by Frag Missiles and Heavy Bolters, with Frag Grenades doing very little. That seems to indicate RPGs and roadside bombs as being rather poor weapons (capable of taking one down, maybe, but the chances are slim, and Space Marines could probably avoid most of those things anyhow, between their unnatural reflexes, and heavy array of sensory equipment).

Modern day sniper rifles would need to pinpoint the joints in the armor, or the visor. At least a long las isn't affected by wind and such.

Space Marines can dodge bullets, so they're probably not going to let something heavy be dropped on them. I don't know enough about their filtration equipment, heavily modified blood stream, and third lung specifically built to absorb oxygen from toxic environments to say whether Carbon Monoxide would be dangerous to them. I do know that Space Marines wouldn't sleep in dangerous circumstances, especially since they can stay awake for a good week at a time.

Because they are so expensive, and relatively easy to kill, they will usually lose by attrition to ordinary troops.

Well, they're not meant to hold ground; they're meant for rapid deployment against the thick of the enemy.

techno facehuggers

RustyKnight wrote:Duriel

Every time I read his name I seethe.

oggers wrote:Someone armed with the holy handgrenade of Antioch.

+1

Or 'The Monster'.

Jedi wouldn't fair too well against SMs, methinks, for the simple reason that their main defense against ranged attacks(deflection) wouldn't work against bolts. I know little about SW fluff, but maybe they have some "kinetic disruption" ability that causes all [solid] munitions to somehow swerve around them? >.>

In regard the Spider-man(he's not a "supersoldier" in any sense, as far as "purpose" goes, but for the sake of correction--&gt no SM would stand a chance, save for a Primarch.

That reminds me. I've never seen it mentioned, but what's the jump-height of your average Tac like? Granted, they're in heavy power armor, but given their enhanced physiology and the boost they get from power armor, you would think they would be pretty good...jumpers(no, not leaping from skyscraper-to-skyscraper, but I reckon they could clear a large truck).

I suppose initaites would be screwed, but for more trained jedi they could probably use the force to stop the bolters.

Remember of course, on an open battlefield, no jedi will match up to a SM. They need close quarters, where they can surround thier enemy, and not get shot to pieces. On an open battlefield, Jedi would be molested by the sheer AMOUNT of firepower.

As for jumps, a little better than the average human, but probably not anything like clearing a house or large truck in one go. Besides, they're in power armour so that weighs them down. AND they can pretty much walk THROUGH anything.

-Martian Tripods from War of the Worlds
Per the Black Library, some dudes with arrows, yes arrows (Go Abnett).
-Vlad Dracula. Ok, not a BA of course, as thats just "Uncle Vlad."
-Twilight vampire. The marines would laugh for so long they would run out of oxygen, and die.
-John Wayne with a demo charge, er ten sticks of dynamite. John Wayne, more Chuck Norris than Chuck Norris, pilgrim.
-Weiner dogs. 25,000 years ago, eldar farseers manipulated doggie genetics to create - the weiner dog. Their miniscule size makes them impossible to hit. Their yappy bark is particularly attuned to marine auditory sensors, creating a feedback loop that explodes the helmet. Further, their teeth, although inflicting no damage to us, have the hideous ability to lock into the ankle joint of a marine, causing them to crash and smash themselves with their own chain fist. All hail Wiener Dog. He will save us.
-Bugs Bunny. The dude can stop shotguns by plugging the barrel WITH HIS FINGERS. Thats Emperor awesome. Of course, thats easy, because we all know Da Emprah is really Bugs Bunny.

Fremen, especially when fighting on Arrakis, probably could. The Emperor there also had genetically engineered supersoldiers, and the Fremen wiped the floor with them.

Pak (or humans gone) Protectors, from Larry Niven's Known Space. Kzinti are probably a pretty good match as well, especially up close and personal.
Heck, humans from that universe are a pretty good match, considering peoples there tend to actually use their brains.

A ticked off wife with a bag of door knobs. Never mess with an angry wife.

Frazzled wrote:
-Bugs Bunny. The dude can stop shotguns by plugging the barrel WITH HIS FINGERS. Thats Emperor awesome. Of course, thats easy, because we all know Da Emprah is really Bugs Bunny.

QFT

Frazzled FTW!

Bran Dawri wrote:Fremen, especially when fighting on Arrakis, probably could. The Emperor there also had genetically engineered supersoldiers, and the Fremen wiped the floor with them.

Pak (or humans gone) Protectors, from Larry Niven's Known Space. Kzinti are probably a pretty good match as well, especially up close and personal.
Heck, humans from that universe are a pretty good match, considering peoples there tend to actually use their brains.

Dune can't stand to the awesome grimdarkness of the 40k.

Pikachu.
He shoots lightning from his face...

Samuel Jackson from Pulp Fiction

Is Pikachu a humanoid?

What about Godzilla?

Kilkrazy wrote:Is Pikachu a humanoid?

What about Godzilla?

Or Mothra!?!?

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:A guy with an RPG.
A guy with a sniper rifle.
A guy with a roadside bomb.
A guy with a bag of bricks on top of a tall building.
A guy with a faulty water heater which produces carbon monoxide fumes that suffocate the SM in his sleep.

The logical flaw with SMs is that while they are awesome at straight 1-2-1 combat, they aren't invulnerable or immortal and can be killed in a variety of fairly ordinary means.

Space Marines are relatively unfazed by Frag Missiles and Heavy Bolters, with Frag Grenades doing very little. That seems to indicate RPGs and roadside bombs as being rather poor weapons (capable of taking one down, maybe, but the chances are slim, and Space Marines could probably avoid most of those things anyhow, between their unnatural reflexes, and heavy array of sensory equipment).

.

I'm pretty sure modern RPG's have ARMOR PIERCING rounds as well as frag(HE) rounds. When they explode, the shaped charge forces a stream of superheated metal outwards that pierces armor. The older RPG's had such rounds too, but they aren't particularly effective against modern armor. I'd use those against a Marine if I had too.

EDIT: Cuz' I are smart like rock.

Assuming he'd let you use an RPG on him.

A piece of string stretched between two trees.

Terminator:I'm goin' in............. Whoa! man down!
Terminator 2:What happened?
Terminator:I tripped over a piece of string concealed in the bushes.
Emporer:

Railguns wrote:I'm pretty sure modern RPG's have ARMOR PIERCING rounds as well as frag(HE) rounds.

Well, Heavy Bolters are armor piercing rounds as well, but while they're dangerous they're not a sure fire kill.

More importantly, they require a direct hit against the Marine, and Space Marines can dodge a bullet shot at the back of their head by hearing the trigger being pulled. And that's assuming you have successfully snuck up on a Space Marine (carrying an RPG), which is a pretty unlikely assumption (infrared vision, night vision, superhuman hearing, the ability to go weeks without sleep, the ability to see in low-light conditions as well as daylight even without their helmet, the ability to track things like a bloodhound, dozens of years worth of training against the most dangerous aliens, mutants, and daemon-worshipers in a galaxy with weapons ten times as dangerous as any on modern Earth, the ability to control their metabolism through hypnotherapy and force of will).

When they explode, the shaped charge forces a stream of superheated metal outwards that pierces armor. The older RPG's had such rounds too, but they aren't particularly effective against modern armor. I'd use those against a Marine if I had too.

Superheated metal doesn't sound exceptionally scary against ceramite, as it conducts virtually no heat. I suppose the impact and leakage through the weaker parts of the armor could incapacitate one though (still a ways from killing one, but it would qualify for "taking one down" if it hit).

Aliens from uh, Alien(s) could pose a threat if they could close. Plus they seem to reproduce fast enough to stand a good chance of overwhelming them via sheer numbers. Assuming they have a Queen.

Eragon (and other riders) from the Inheritance trilogy (heard it's going to be a four parter now) could take them out. Plus they're smart enough to realize that fireballs are stupid when you can just telekinetically squish a brain or cause an aneurysm (sp?).

The Flood would, like the Aliens, be a threat if they are allowed to reproduce. I wonder how a large number of sentinels could do. In Ghosts of Onyx, I think, a group join together to take out a Covenenat cruiser. In Contact Harvest, Johnson uses a Gauss sniper rifle. It punched through a building, through the target, back through the building, and into the parking lot. I think that would pose a threat to a marine (but I don't know what the building was made of, for all I know it was just drywall).

Sgt. Salt wrote:Samuel Jackson from Pulp Fiction

What?

LordofHats wrote:

Sgt. Salt wrote:Samuel Jackson from Pulp Fiction

What?

His wallet says,"Inquisitor" on it. Just ask the Celestial Lions about messing with the inquisition.

I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE MOTHERFETHING IRON SNAKES, ON THIS MOTHERFETHING PLANE!

I cannot think of the Iron Snakes without giggling.

GW could have picked a better name.

The Fiery Loins?

Ratchet could take out LOTS of marines if he had a RYNO... Or a zodiac... Or a rift inducer... Or, heh... a sheep-o-ray... Heck, ratchet could take out a marine with pretty much anything, as long as it wasn't the unupgraded starter weapon.

So could Power Pete.

He was the single greatest video game character of all time.

Ronin wrote:Assuming he'd let you use an RPG on him.

I think the general concept of combat is that you don't wait for the enemy's permission to attack him.


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Orkeosaurus wrote:

Railguns wrote:I'm pretty sure modern RPG's have ARMOR PIERCING rounds as well as frag(HE) rounds.

Well, Heavy Bolters are armor piercing rounds as well, but while they're dangerous they're not a sure fire kill.

More importantly, they require a direct hit against the Marine, and Space Marines can dodge a bullet shot at the back of their head by hearing the trigger being pulled. And that's assuming you have successfully snuck up on a Space Marine (carrying an RPG), which is a pretty unlikely assumption (infrared vision, night vision, superhuman hearing, the ability to go weeks without sleep, the ability to see in low-light conditions as well as daylight even without their helmet, the ability to track things like a bloodhound, dozens of years worth of training against the most dangerous aliens, mutants, and daemon-worshipers in a galaxy with weapons ten times as dangerous as any on modern Earth, the ability to control their metabolism through hypnotherapy and force of will).

When they explode, the shaped charge forces a stream of superheated metal outwards that pierces armor. The older RPG's had such rounds too, but they aren't particularly effective against modern armor. I'd use those against a Marine if I had too.

Superheated metal doesn't sound exceptionally scary against ceramite, as it conducts virtually no heat. I suppose the impact and leakage through the weaker parts of the armor could incapacitate one though (still a ways from killing one, but it would qualify for "taking one down" if it hit).

High speed water jets can cut steel. The jet from an RPG round is more like a plasma jet than just superhot metal, because it is moving so fast.

It depends what Marine's armour is made of. Maybe it's some kind of "Unobtainium" which is totally proof against everything. Even then you have the problem of transmitted shock.

It seems unlikely that a chainsword could cut through and an anti-tank shell couldn't.

A chainsword can't really cut through with ease, you'd have to aim for the joints, but yes I think an RPG could do it. (Tabletop anti-tank missiles take out marines fair enough, so it must be valid)

Cheif Librarian Vaako wrote:A piece of string stretched between two trees.

Terminator:I'm goin' in............. Whoa! man down!
Terminator 2:What happened?
Terminator:I tripped over a piece of string concealed in the bushes.
Emporer:

This Post IS AWESOMMME!


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Zentraedi battlepods. Heck unarmed Zentraedi. Marines are buff but they aren't 40 ft tall big bag of angry tough.


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Hangon, earlier someone mentioned the Jedi word, but that makes me wonder, can't a lightsaber cut a force weapon/power sword? Like Speid VS Spadd?

Explanation:

But a power sword emits an energy field as well, would a lightsaber be able to cut through that?

Also, totally agree Frazzled, there can only be so many dreadnoughts in a marine company.

on the jedi thing the force can be deadly think of
force lightning
lighsaber throw
force speed
telikinesis
also they could use battle meditation on them

also lighsabers can cut through blast doors as thick as the blade so they could cut through power armour

and SG1 would kick the marines ass

FM

Kilkrazy wrote:High speed water jets can cut steel. The jet from an RPG round is more like a plasma jet than just superhot metal, because it is moving so fast.

It depends what Marine's armour is made of. Maybe it's some kind of "Unobtainium" which is totally proof against everything. Even then you have the problem of transmitted shock.

It seems unlikely that a chainsword could cut through and an anti-tank shell couldn't.

Well, I think it's mostly Ceramite and Adamantium, which aren't proof against everything, but are quite a bit tougher than anything we have now (especially with regards to heat in the case of Ceramite). The things about chainswords is they're probably made of the same caliber materials, so they're going to scale with the armor.

I do think they would likely be taken out of the combat if they were hit directly, but as I mentioned the real issue is hitting one. Their armor gains a multiplicative effect thanks to their superhuman agility and awareness making them immune to a lot what can actually hurt them.

ME!!! thats what can take down a marine.

i would just hand him a plasma pistol, and run like heck ducking behind every bit of cover i can... eventualy, he will die

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:High speed water jets can cut steel. The jet from an RPG round is more like a plasma jet than just superhot metal, because it is moving so fast.

It depends what Marine's armour is made of. Maybe it's some kind of "Unobtainium" which is totally proof against everything. Even then you have the problem of transmitted shock.

It seems unlikely that a chainsword could cut through and an anti-tank shell couldn't.

Well, I think it's mostly Ceramite and Adamantium, which aren't proof against everything, but are quite a bit tougher than anything we have now (especially with regards to heat in the case of Ceramite). The things about chainswords is they're probably made of the same caliber materials, so they're going to scale with the armor.

I do think they would likely be taken out of the combat if they were hit directly, but as I mentioned the real issue is hitting one. Their armor gains a multiplicative effect thanks to their superhuman agility and awareness making them immune to a lot what can actually hurt them.

*Artillery
*Those bombie things falling from the sky.
*A big rock
*A lot of little rocks piled on top of each other, on top of the marine.
*for every fifth marine, a bullet, dart, knife, artillery, arrow. Guys, really put the helmet ON.

Artillery and bombies have to hit pretty close to the marine, who can probably move further from the point of impact pretty well, but that is a good example of why they shouldn't be running around out in the open, since shells and bombies probably aren't a huge expenditure at any rate.

Dropped rocks are unlikely to hit the marines since they have ninja abilities.

The helmetless Space Marines would, realistically, still be almost as hard to kill as the helmeted ones, but why the hell do they keep taking them off?!

Wobbufett!



He can be thrown for miles at a time (usually from an explosion), deflect any physical or "special" attacks, nullify status ailments, and you can't retreat from him! The perfect soldier to counter the recklessly charging marine.

Orkeosaurus wrote:but why the hell do they keep taking them off?!

"You know the helment has a filter on it, if you put your helment on, you wouldn't have to breathe in the dust"

"Yeah, but then I wouldn't be able to spot annoying snipers...like you"

Orkeosaurus wrote:Artillery and bombies have to hit pretty close to the marine, who can probably move further from the point of impact pretty well, but that is a good example of why they shouldn't be running around out in the open, since shells and bombies probably aren't a huge expenditure at any rate.

How close are you thinking? A nice 2,000 lb bomb is going to shock wave everything in a football field width into grape jelly. Unless the marine is zippy the wonder sprinter he can kiss his keister goodbye. Now visualize a B-52 drop.
'Yorgh I'm Morgh the Marine. I have a chainsaw!'
(looks up at 40 or so bombs coming at him)
'Uh oh.'

Dropped rocks are unlikely to hit the marines since they have ninja abilities.

What if the rock is dropped from orbit? You've got to think big baby.

The helmetless Space Marines would, realistically, still be almost as hard to kill as the helmeted ones, but why the hell do they keep taking them off?!

Not exactly. Per fluff a chaos marine was killed by natives flinging darts at him.

There's a reason that Wobbuffet is shaped like a self-righting punching bag.
Frazzled, you have to tell me where I can get some of those battlepods.

Johan Hegg with a viking axe could take a few space marines.

Pilot with a load of Heat seeking missiles,side-winders and bombs.
If not hundreds of pikmin that will do it.

Frazzled wrote:How close are you thinking? A nice 2,000 lb bomb is going to shock wave everything in a football field width into grape jelly. Unless the marine is zippy the wonder sprinter he can kiss his keister goodbye. Now visualize a B-52 drop.
'Yorgh I'm Morgh the Marine. I have a chainsaw!'
(looks up at 40 or so bombs coming at him)
'Uh oh.'

I was thinking a little smaller than 2,000lb bombs.

Still, everyone in 40k has their bombers and orbital strikes, and Space Marines are going to be pretty unhappy if they're in caught in the middle of them. I mean, lascannons and such could probably shoot some planes down, but overall they're going to get killed if they're caught out in the open against stealth bombers.

They usually aren't put in that kind of fighting, since Leman Russes and Hydras and hundreds of heavy weapon teams are more the Imperium's answer.

What if the rock is dropped from orbit? You've got to think big baby.

No one can foight against da boyz.

Deys taktical jeenyuss.

Not exactly. Per fluff a chaos marine was killed by natives flinging darts at him.

At least teddy bears didn't push him down a hill?

(And everyone knows Chaos Marines aren't SPACE MARIENS HURR anyways. )

Orkeosaurus wrote:

Frazzled wrote:How close are you thinking? A nice 2,000 lb bomb is going to shock wave everything in a football field width into grape jelly. Unless the marine is zippy the wonder sprinter he can kiss his keister goodbye. Now visualize a B-52 drop.
'Yorgh I'm Morgh the Marine. I have a chainsaw!'
(looks up at 40 or so bombs coming at him)
'Uh oh.'

I was thinking a little smaller than 2,000lb bombs.

Still, everyone in 40k has their bombers and orbital strikes, and Space Marines are going to be pretty unhappy if they're in caught in the middle of them. I mean, lascannons and such could probably shoot some planes down, but overall they're going to get killed if they're caught out in the open against stealth bombers.

Yea play epic. Bombers do just fine against marines.

Space Marines would be completely dumbfounded by Stealth Bombers. "What is this...."stealth"..Bomber? What?" If it doesn't fly directly at something and is shaped like a brick it must not be a military vehicle, so the thing would take them by complete surprise.

A clever cultist might be able to. "Here, the emperor said drink this. I'm an inquisitor, not a cultist!" Just a matter of finding something toxic enough to affect them.

Space Marines don't take Inquisitors very seriously unless the prick tries to get a crusade against them or calling exterminatus on a homeworld.

I sometimes wonder how a Marine would handle himself against the various Zerg strains from Starcraft compared to his non-super human, brainwashed criminal cousins .

1.Alucard form Hellsing

2.ANY One Piece Character..(do not confuse with 4Kids with it being on Cartoon Network) If you read the manga and how powerful they "currently are" Space Marines would be Messed up pretty badly!

3.Yamamoto - Bleach...No Flamer or Skorcha ever created could make the flames he does!

4.Laharl - Disgaea

5.GOKU

6.Superman

7.The Hulk

8.Iorn Man

9.Darth Vadar and his Death Star

10.Vasarto Abarame

11.Dainazo Miyamoto

12.The Hell Girl..perhaps, It is time for them to die!

13. SNIPER KITTENS!!!!!

14.Bruce Lee (The only Man to have killed Chuck Norris) Well Chuck Norris DID die you see. His Heart restarted later and he woke up well after he walked off and was long gone.

...Sigh...then again it WAS when Chuck Norris was much younger and not as powerful as he is today so its not that big of a deal anymore.

15.Solid Snake

16.Grave -GunGrave

17.Dante

18.Vash the Stampede

19.The United States Military (They got Space Marines and We got Nukes)

20.Gundams..I mean Tau

A monkey trained to knife-fight.

Ahhh, anime fan cartoons. The only things OTT enough to kill Spehss Muhrens nine time out of ten.

A knife-fighting monkey is an anime character??? (jk)

Vasarto wrote:1.Alucard form Hellsing
Who?
2.ANY One Piece Character..(do not confuse with 4Kids with it being on Cartoon Network) If you read the manga and how powerful they "currently are" Space Marines would be Messed up pretty badly!
A single bolt round could pack more punch than a direct hit from a cannon. Good luck.
3.Yamamoto - Bleach...No Flamer or Skorcha ever created could make the flames he does!
Never heard of him.
4.Laharl - Disgaea
Never heard of him.
5.GOKU
...mabye. Mabye 1.
6.Superman
Librarian. Force Weapon = Ultimate Kryptonite.
7.The Hulk
Basically an angry ork when you think about it...
8.Iorn Man
No. He. Would. Die.
9.Darth Vadar and his Death Star
Pleez. *roll eyes*
10.Vasarto Abarame
Never heard of them.
11.Dainazo Miyamoto
Never heard of them
12.The Hell Girl..perhaps, It is time for them to die!
Never heard of them.
13. SNIPER KITTENS!!!!!
Yes. Yes they would.
14.Bruce Lee (The only Man to have killed Chuck Norris) Well Chuck Norris DID die you see. His Heart restarted later and he woke up well after he walked off and was long gone.

...Sigh...then again it WAS when Chuck Norris was much younger and not as powerful as he is today so its not that big of a deal anymore.
Same comment as sniper kittens.
15.Solid Snake
No.
16.Grave -GunGrave
Who?
17.Dante
Dante IS a Space Marine.
18.Vash the Stampede
Who?
19.The United States Military (They got Space Marines and We got Nukes)
Lol. I'd love to see US stand up to a space marine chapter. Orbital bombardments, ho!
20.Gundams..I mean Tau
We beat 'em before, we'll do it again.

In all serious, who on this list could survive a direct bolter round to the face?

For the record, methinks this thread is supposed to be about the potential of individuals/groups comparable to SMs(SM "equivalents", in the broad sense; fictional super-soldiers).

Yeah, I'd rather see individual basic soldiers compared than exceptional individuals/huge mobs of a weaker soldiers/airplanes/superheroes/wizards.

i think an ACU from supreme commander could take out an entire chapter of marines without breaking a sweat. I dont see how space marines could take out a hundred foot mech that if you leave alone for 15 minutes could create a fully funtional base pumping out planes and tanks at a rate of hundreds a minute.

Emperors Faithful wrote:A knife-fighting monkey is an anime character??? (jk)

Vasarto wrote:1.Alucard form Hellsing
Who?
2.ANY One Piece Character..(do not confuse with 4Kids with it being on Cartoon Network) If you read the manga and how powerful they "currently are" Space Marines would be Messed up pretty badly!
A single bolt round could pack more punch than a direct hit from a cannon. Good luck.
3.Yamamoto - Bleach...No Flamer or Skorcha ever created could make the flames he does!
Never heard of him.
4.Laharl - Disgaea
Never heard of him.
5.GOKU
...mabye. Mabye 1.
6.Superman
Librarian. Force Weapon = Ultimate Kryptonite.
7.The Hulk
Basically an angry ork when you think about it...
8.Iorn Man
No. He. Would. Die.
9.Darth Vadar and his Death Star
Pleez. *roll eyes*
10.Vasarto Abarame
Never heard of them.
11.Dainazo Miyamoto
Never heard of them
12.The Hell Girl..perhaps, It is time for them to die!
Never heard of them.
13. SNIPER KITTENS!!!!!
Yes. Yes they would.
14.Bruce Lee (The only Man to have killed Chuck Norris) Well Chuck Norris DID die you see. His Heart restarted later and he woke up well after he walked off and was long gone.

...Sigh...then again it WAS when Chuck Norris was much younger and not as powerful as he is today so its not that big of a deal anymore.
Same comment as sniper kittens.
15.Solid Snake
No.
16.Grave -GunGrave
Who?
17.Dante
Dante IS a Space Marine.
18.Vash the Stampede
Who?
19.The United States Military (They got Space Marines and We got Nukes)
Lol. I'd love to see US stand up to a space marine chapter. Orbital bombardments, ho!
20.Gundams..I mean Tau
We beat 'em before, we'll do it again.

In all serious, who on this list could survive a direct bolter round to the face?

According to the fluff Honsou just cired a bit when Uriel Ventris shot him in the face with a bolter. And marduk wet himself when he was shot by jaruleks bolt pistol. So the answer to that is A CHAOS SPACE MARINE.


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Honsou? I'm not fammilliar with that name...

(BTW, I do know that Alpharius survived a whole fusilade of bolt shots without power armour.)


As for others, mabye a preist with an eviscerator?

Fluff-wise, a priest(assuming he's not augmented in some way) would be whoopified by a SM. Yes, if the eviscerator landed a blow, it would be bad news, but I doubt the priest would even be able to accomplish that(again, this is assuming the priest isn't augmented in some manner).

A daemon, especially if its favored by khorne

The cartoon GI JOES seemed like a top notch Guardsmen Veteran regiment and have laser weapons to boot. They were basically all 'special characters' and likely would do well against a nameless Space Marine. YO JOE!

James Bond could take a SM down but he'd probably end up in some kind of custom power armor made by Q somewhere along the fight.

A liquid-metal Terminator model from Terminator 2 would likely wreck some havoc too unless the SM knew its weakness and packs a flamethrower.

Corbin Dallas from Fifth Element stands out to me also since he was Earth's last remaining bad ass spec ops soldier and saved Terra. Some help from Leeloo wouldn't hurt either.

I'm going to throw Solid Snake in there since he took down Metal Gears et al. Otacon could also help him out to offset the disadvantages a bit.

For a more soldier type there are the chrono legionnaires from the real-time strategy games called Red Alert. They are able to teleport seemingly anywhere by bendng the space-time fabric and their gun vanquishes the enemy by erasing them out of time -- in the game the more powerful the unit the longer it took but the second the beam hit, the target was incapacitated.

I don't think they would need to fire the gun. One look at those legs would cause all but the most strong willed humans to go insane.

seriously, someone draw some pants on that, my eye are burning out.

LordofHats wrote:Ninjas in Florescent Orange Track Suits

Samus Aran


Superior Firepower, lot's of health.


Albert Wesker

starbomber109 wrote:Hangon, earlier someone mentioned the Jedi word, but that makes me wonder, can't a lightsaber cut a force weapon/power sword? Like Speid VS Spadd?

Explanation:

Spoiler:

In Five Star Stories, a Speid is an incredibly dense sword, that is very sharp, so it will cut most anything, while a spadd is a laser sword, spadds will always cut a speid, but they aren't actually as good at cutting other things, because they cut by heat transfer, and lots of things (not speids obviously) are heat resistant.

But a power sword emits an energy field as well, would a lightsaber be able to cut through that?

Also, totally agree Frazzled, there can only be so many dreadnoughts in a marine company.

Yeah! Five Star Stories!

Headliners (basically the Knights) and Divers (Wizards) could take out Space Marines. If we're talking Farus Di Kanon Empire period chevaliers, then there's no contest.

I'm surprised there's someone else who knows about this series here.

I am surprised that no one has said this but Optimus Prime or most of the Autobots or Decepticons.

"Autobots roll out!"

guardpiper wrote:I am surprised that no one has said this but Optimus Prime or most of the Autobots or Decepticons.

"Autobots roll out!"

Because, like some of the other, shall we say, less intelligent statements, its not in keeping with the gist of the thread. When faced with an Autobot, or a Transformer in general, I would expect the Imperium to try to mobilise a Titan Legion.....not call on a Space Marine.....

eh. A bolter (which detonates) could easily destroy the fragile metals the autobots seem to be made out of. all it would take are a few meltaguns and some suicide squads.

Ghosts from starcraft.


"Nuclear Launch Detected"

ME!

Emperors Faithful wrote:A knife-fighting monkey is an anime character??? (jk)

Vasarto wrote:1.Alucard form Hellsing
Who?
2.ANY One Piece Character..(do not confuse with 4Kids with it being on Cartoon Network) If you read the manga and how powerful they "currently are" Space Marines would be Messed up pretty badly!
A single bolt round could pack more punch than a direct hit from a cannon. Good luck.
3.Yamamoto - Bleach...No Flamer or Skorcha ever created could make the flames he does!
Never heard of him.
4.Laharl - Disgaea
Never heard of him.
5.GOKU
...mabye. Mabye 1.
6.Superman
Librarian. Force Weapon = Ultimate Kryptonite.
7.The Hulk
Basically an angry ork when you think about it...
8.Iorn Man
No. He. Would. Die.
9.Darth Vadar and his Death Star
Pleez. *roll eyes*
10.Vasarto Abarame
Never heard of them.
11.Dainazo Miyamoto
Never heard of them
12.The Hell Girl..perhaps, It is time for them to die!
Never heard of them.
13. SNIPER KITTENS!!!!!
Yes. Yes they would.
14.Bruce Lee (The only Man to have killed Chuck Norris) Well Chuck Norris DID die you see. His Heart restarted later and he woke up well after he walked off and was long gone.

...Sigh...then again it WAS when Chuck Norris was much younger and not as powerful as he is today so its not that big of a deal anymore.
Same comment as sniper kittens.
15.Solid Snake
No.
16.Grave -GunGrave
Who?
17.Dante
Dante IS a Space Marine.
18.Vash the Stampede
Who?
19.The United States Military (They got Space Marines and We got Nukes)
Lol. I'd love to see US stand up to a space marine chapter. Orbital bombardments, ho!
20.Gundams..I mean Tau
We beat 'em before, we'll do it again.

In all serious, who on this list could survive a direct bolter round to the face?

Dante - I should had said DMC Dante. Guess you are not familiar with a lot of Anime characters.
Anyway Dante has beated Demons of hell and giant monsters and has a really cool sword. I mean did you see him fight the statue thing in DMC IV? Space Marines arnt THAT bad ass now are they?

Goku-Can move as fast as the speed of light, Teleport and Bullets have been bouncing off his body since he was a young man. Missiles and beams of power that could blow up 10 planets cannot kill him.

Vash has a gun in his arm powerful enough to punch a hole in the moon from the earth....A gigantic visual hole.

Grave has really powerful guns, Can take really good hits and is like a Zombie Super Soldier. Him against just a single space marine would be a good fight. So long as its a normal marine with just armor and a bolt pistol.

Laharl from Disgaea is the Demon Prince of the entire Neatherworld is is super crazy powerful.

Yamamoto is a very powerful old man with the power to summon extreamly powerful flames that can attack his enemies from a distance and up close.

The United states Military ALSO has that.....or we are working on it. We have Space Rail Guns and such in the works that could measure up for that kind of power. Not to mention Nukes!
But...space marines might pose a hugh problem for our foot soldiers lolz.

Hell Girl I am not suprised. She is from a anime series where those who wish to send someone to hell visits a web site that can only be seen at midnight. When you type in the name of that person the Hell Girl appears before you and shows you a vision of how your hell will look. You see by sending someone to hell is to dig a double grave. When you go to hell. So shall you when you die! She gives them a straw Voodoo Doll with a Red String and when you untie it, You sign the Hell Girls Contract and she Appears Before that person with her Associates and uses (SUPER NATURAL POWERS) to drag their soul to hell and their body Vanishes from the earth.

Its a bit Repeditave but its a good series.

starbomber109 wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:but why the hell do they keep taking them off?!

"You know the helment has a filter on it, if you put your helment on, you wouldn't have to breathe in the dust"

"Yeah, but then I wouldn't be able to spot annoying snipers...like you"

First of all hooray gears of war reference! Back on topic, I am thinking the guy from time shift because he could stop time, take the marine(s) bolter(s), and kill them with their own weapons while they are immobile, or do many other time shifting tricks: hijacking vehicles, pulling frag grenades still attached to belts, that sort of thing.

I'd be willing to bet a Canoness could do it.
Considering in the fluff, one killed a Hive Tyrant singlehandedly.

I also would say a Necron Wraith could kill a Space Marine.
I mean, it can shift in and out of reality at will, the Space Marine only has a big gun....

Vasarto: You're right, i don't have that much experience with anime characters. But I also know that Dragonball Z is ridiculously OTT.

As for the others, most seems to involve deamons of some kind so I'm guessing that instead of your average SM a grey-knight would be called in. THEN you're in trouble.

As for the gun that blows a hole in the moon. Have you seen Kung Pow? The Stomach Plug?

EF does not know of Honsou? I am shocked and saddened. Honsou is an ownage Warsmith of the Iron Warriors, in the books Storm of Iron, Dead Sky Black Sun, The Heralticus Effect and Skull Harvest, all by Graham Mcneill. He could take down alot of SPESH MEHREENZ HURR HURR

Emperors Faithful wrote:Vasarto: You're right, i don't have that much experience with anime characters. But I also know that Dragonball Z is ridiculously OTT.

As for the others, most seems to involve deamons of some kind so I'm guessing that instead of your average SM a grey-knight would be called in. THEN you're in trouble.

As for the gun that blows a hole in the moon. Have you seen Kung Pow? The Stomach Plug?

Is it that really rediculos martial arts movie where that guy was like...fighting this cow and at one point he punched a hole in a guy's stomach and left nothing but a hole?

Twas a tad too silly for me to watch all the way through.

I liked Kung Fu Hustle better! Now THAT was a good movie!

My point when mentioning Kung Pow was that blowing a whole in the moon ( a clean one) is simply not possible. Doesn't matter if you chucked a death star or super-duper railgun at it, they would only suceed in obliterating it. For that kind of precision you need excavation work.

Ratchet from Ratchet n Clank, Obviously using his massive wrench


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A Protoss Carrier from Starcraft

Bonaonldlements or sluggers, they take out predators......

Air bud, that golden retriever was one badass dog.

DR. Otagamapus BBBLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAA


(he can fire is lazor whitch is an extermanoutus cannon

A bonbaonbardlement

1. Jesus
2. Bruce Lee
3. Zombie Bruce Lee
4. Link
5. Batman (his cape is bullet proof, so i imagine its bolter proof too)
6. Brock Fething Sampson
7. Ronnie James fething Dio
8. The characters from Golden sun
9. a Big Daddy
10. Dethklok's Lawyer

and maybe Major Kusanagi (did I spell that right?) from ghost in the shell. possibly Bato.

Not a big list, but a ferocious one. Did I mention Brock Sampson? Chuck Norris can eat his heart out.

Come on, Batman doesn't count. He even beat Darkside.

For me, i think that a massive thermite bomb would do the trick, even if the amour dosent melt, the heat would kill a marine

Joe Pineapples. From five miles away. With a single shot to the unarmoured head. 'N&V!'

Norwulf wrote:6. Brock Fething Sampson
10. Dethklok's Lawyer

Yes!

"If Brock was here I'd be watching him hose the blood of the lawn by now."
Or something like that.

Yes!

"That's my bread and butter your ing with"

Samus Aran


Superior Firepower, lot's of health.



Hell yes. I'm suprised nobody else mentioned Our Lady of Perpetual Agony, Samus Aran. Personaly I think 1 on 1 she'd make a good opponent for a Marine, and barring that, probably the only woman in the galaxy that could handle a Marine off the battlefield of war, if you catch my drift... And someone mentioned Link... While I love the Zelda games, and think Link is awesome... He'd get RIPPED TO PIECES by a Marine. Even a 1 armed Marine with not but his combat knife.

The Hanson Brothers


OR

Hanson

1. Marvin the Paranoid Android, with emotion gun ofc
2. Magneto - sucks being encased in metal...
3. Deadpool, not only can he kill them, but he could annoy them to death and metagame, as he can breach the 4th wall.
4. Main character in Crackdown... He's basically a space marine, that can jump half way up a 30 story building, pick up a semi, and throw it at a helicopter.
5. Raptor zombies... pretty much says it all.
6. Ash Williams. He has a chainsaw for a hand afterall.
7. Jar Jar Binks. If you kill him, he'll just haunt your thoughts with his annoying ghost for the rest of your (short, self-ended) life.
8. A solar exalt.

The Master Cheif.
The Arbiter.

TAU!!!!111!!!!!11!!!

Munch Munch! wrote:The Master Cheif.
The Arbiter.

TAU!!!!111!!!!!11!!!

O my god the Tau beserkers.For the greater weabod.

My genitalia.

DIZZZZZZGUSSSSTING!!1111!!!11!

General Zaroff

who is that?

...obviously General Zaroff is Karon's...

Jedi Knights?

Neo

ME!!!!!1!11111!

corpsesarefun wrote:Neo

Nuhnuh,nuhnuh,nuhnuh.

Sporin.

Cane wrote:

James Bond could take a SM down but he'd probably end up in some kind of custom power armor made by Q somewhere along the fight.

And then he`d sleep with some SoB

BEWARE THE SNIPER KITTEN!!!!!!!!!

EX

A really really big rock

extermikator wrote:BEWARE THE SNIPER KITTEN!!!!!!!!!

EX

Beware indeed!

Sol badguy, he would probably just volcanic viper them into oblivion

a bowel movement in the pelvic splanchnic ganglion.

even a hamster could take down a SPESH MEHREENZ HUR HUR HUR after that

FM

Mad Max

My wife in a minivan. Just point at the marine say "its a curb look out" and she'll run right over him.

.......Edward Cullen...........

<.<

>.>

I bet a Predator could take on a Space Marine. Oh, and the T-1000.

MULTILAZORSSXXAZAZZSZXZSWZZDZDZD

Chuck Norris!
Also the human form replicators from stargate. I can imagine those smurfs not even realising what hit them as their bolter rounds bounce off harmlessly. Stick that in your power armour and smoke it!

Madgod wrote:.......Edward Cullen...........

<.<

>.>

/slap

Saw New Moon with the girlfriend...

/shudder

The things we do for women...

Yaeh I know. Scary what these girls are into these days.

I actually had a good idea but the comments on this thread flattened my brainwaves... so i forgot.

Edit: I remembered! A battlemech, especially if configured to take on heavy infantry.

yoda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
size matters not! I'm 13, and I'm 4 foot 8!!!

Dr. Phil!

Large caliber hunting revolvers!




Could prolly put a paint can sized hole in a bear...easy

I have to say, I'm more than shocked this thread is still running.....

I guess its because I added Space Marine in the title...

Well it was a good one funny since I play BA and CSM!

Chris Redfield, that man is on all kinds of steroids and has survived point plank desert eagle shots. He punched a fraking bolder out of his way and stood inside a volcano for what could have very well been hours

This Fething Gene-Freak

In the space wolf novel wolfblade there was a potent toxin that attacks the gland of the SM that neutralise poisons temprarily overloading it and confusing it.

Tyrolean wrote:Large caliber hunting revolvers!




Could prolly put a paint can sized hole in a bear...easy

Well if a Bolter doesn't kill them and it is a .75 Caliber lets see that is half agin of a .50 cal so even that 500 will do nothing!

How about a Navy SEAL in power armor
Manchester United, Chelsea and Tottenham maybe Leeds
Derek Jeter in power armor

Petty Officer D wrote:How about a Navy SEAL in power armor
Manchester United, Chelsea and Tottenham maybe Leeds
Derek Jeter in power armor

Navy SEAL Phfffff!!! Now a PJ in Power Armor and you have something go AF!!!!!!

Swine flu?

No lasguns.

Chuck Norris

I know, and this is the winner hands down.

*begins plotting*
*in whisper*
What we do is, we trick the Space Marines into playing a game of soccer (I'm English, but I'm thinking of the American audience).
All of the Space Marines will be present, from all chapters. Their team against ours. Scotland. We'll probably lose, but after the game, the Scots will go nuts and rip down the place, taking the Marines down in a frenzy of alcohol, stadium food and bits of stadium.

tl;dr - Scottish football fans

(If I offend any Scots, my sincerest apologies, I meant no harm or offense through anything I said)

^ Thats an amazing idea, and I'm scottish

and sorry but it would have to be Soap Mctavish, not a navy seal

What the frag? all this talk about supersoldiers vs space marines and nobody brings up captain america, the dude can lift a couple of tons, has super enhanced reflexes, has the greatest wepon of all time (his brain not the shield), oh and a impervious adamantium vibranium shield that he can bounce off of anthing on earth to hit what he wants even bouncing it from the floor behind you to hit you werever he wants, and if you go into the ultimates captain america, he packs some big guns and is not affraid to use them. captain america in a one on one fight with a regular space marine would be pretty even i say.

'never read the comics, but from what I know, doesn't Captain America's physical attributes extend to be "the best a human could possibly be in all areas" rather than entirely beyond human potential.

But anyway, this topic, for the most part, has gotten ridiculously off-topic...it was supposed to be about SMs vs. their counter-parts in other fiction.

meh, i doubt Captian America could take on a SM in single combat. Red Skull crushed him in old man logan, so i doubt that he could do much damage to a marine.

A Plasmagun?

A chaos god could. its true!

The blue guy from "Watchmen" cant remember his name..but im pretty sure he'd win

i have a couple of old plastic SM. apperently after a few experiments ive come up with this:
what can take out a SM?
size 11 combat boot,
a 3 year old,
a drop of about 10 feet, (it took 3 drops so call it 30 feet)
and a basic bic lighter.

sorry only had he 4 to work with but if any one wants to send me more, im sure i can inlarge the list..

it'd have to be whatever the fluff requires to kill off that particular marine (including but not restricted to, swine flu, arrows, bad gas, bullets, las-bolts, or freshly baked swedist cream eclairs)

A t-850 terminator in terminator armour piloting a gundam with arrms made of guns, shooting jedis in mjolnir armour (halo) throwing their light-sabres.

Nuruhuine wrote:This Fething Gene-Freak

Dear God it IS a space marine.

A ninth grade football player.

KKKKKKHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kharn's mother. Or father. Or second cousin once removed. Or anyone that bears the slightest resemblance to him...

About Spartans, yeah, they are awesome super soldiers, but I'm kinda disappointed in thier armor. Only reason its good is because of the built-in shields which were stolen from alien technology. Marines have super thick admantium/ceramite armor. But it doesn't have any shields, though.
And Spartans themselves are comparable to Space Marines as far as biological enhancement (speed, strenght, etc.) but they don't have some of the stuff marines have (like an extra heart, lung, etc.). Also, Spartans weapons are just assault rifles, 22 mm. IIRC, while the marines have the 65 or 80 cal. bolters with explosive rocket-propelled rounds.

Ah yes but has a Space Marine ever blow up a giant ring world?

Space Marines probably do worse on a regular basis.

Ah yes but has a Space Marine ever blow up a giant ring world?

Does a necron "deathstar" count?

Frazzled wrote:

Nuruhuine wrote:This Fething Gene-Freak

Dear God it IS a space marine.

I know right? Hence the Gene-Freak title.

Pyriel- wrote:

Ah yes but has a Space Marine ever blow up a giant ring world?

Does a necron "deathstar" count?

Yes. But that was a whole chapter. And the chapter died.

I'm pretty sure a Big Daddy from Bioshock can take down a Space Marine but it depends on the variant.

A Rosie might be able to take a SM because of it's Rivet Gun which IIRC could pierce through SM Amour but I'm not sure because I don't know how strong Space Marine armor is. Now if Rosie and Space Marine were to engage in hand to hand combat, I'd say either could win, because the Rosie (and other Big Daddy variants) do have high physical strength but so do SM, so it's a tie.

A Bouncer could because it's both fast and it's got a huge drill which I can imagine is very devastating so if it were to battle a SM, I can imagine an SM trying to shoot the Bouncer with a Bolter but the Bouncer will probably do a dash and use it's drill to stab the SM with it's drill.

Aren't those Big Daddy suits just made of like... Cast Iron or something though? A Bolter shell would demolish them, considering how brittle that stuff is compared to other metals.

A good horde of the Arachnids from Starship Troopers might do a number on a marine.

I haven't read the whole thread,but. . .
a Mobile Infantry trooper from the NOVEL, starship trooper
example : on a simple raid they were armed with mostly high explosive weaponry and atomic weapons

Spider-man. He seems to fight, and eventually beat, everyone, including a former herald of galactus.

Ash, from the evil dead series. Just from dumb luck.

Any character from any movie, novel, tv series, or comic book that the author is feeling benevolent enough towards to have defeat a nameless space marine.

Or bugs bunny. Hard to beat bugs bunny.

BOLO!!! It's a ****ing MOUNTAIN-SIZED TANK
Baneblade, eat your heart out!!
Each one of its 3 main weapons would incinerate a marine, easily (they are 200cm NUCLEAR cannons)

Hell, it could probably face a chapter's worth of marines.

Failing that, a Banana Peel.

This cat.

Munch, that is one HUGE pussy.... cat. but i digress. Boba Fett would own a space marine. dont ask why or how, it would just happen. Oya Mando!!

A desk lamp if it were 2 1/2 inches away from a space marine.

501st Legion Clone Troopers
Boba Fett
Most BOWs From The Resident Evil Series

You could take down most Captains, Sergeants, and Librarians with .22 LR. They don't wear helmets.

A droideka.
Darth Vader
The Balrog
Gandalf
Jedi
A big rock.

http://www.emerchandise.com/images/p/GHB/pdSTGHB0002.jpg

.......could MOST definately take down a SM :-)

Brian Boitano
Firedragon Kong from desert punk.

Chuck Norris is the only 100% accurate answer

Any sith lord.

Chuck Norris will still win as last time I checked, the sith can't survive a vortex of doom! Chuck Norris can though

Chuck Norris eats Vortex Missles for breakfast.

constant fire, power weapons, hordes.

Meltafire?

Lol, alot. they're too few to be superpowered.

idget wrote:Chuck Norris will still win as last time I checked, the sith can't survive a vortex of doom! Chuck Norris can though

Well duh, everyone knows Chuck Norris wins automaticlly.
I just put a sith lord 'cause a sith lord COULD take down a marine.Even the ol' dickish ones like Count Dooku. But Chuck Norris pwns hands down.

Nuruhuine wrote:Chuck Norris eats Vortex Missles for a nice snack.

fixed.

Caboose off RvB. Just say "CAboose the Spcae MArine is on our team. Go help him". Next thing you know the marine is dead and Cboose is saying he shot himself in the back as I was helping him

SNOTLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In CC.

Mega gargant!

That would own!

Female commissar wearing button-up bustier.

The peltasts from the armies of the Autarch. (via Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun)

Sure, they're lightly armored, but every single one of them is armed with a potent energy weapon at least on par with a plasma rifle from 40k. I say it'd be a "who hits who first" kind of thing.

...Well... The Space Marine would probably hit first, now that I think about it... But still!

Mewtwo.

No he's pretty lame. He's too busy mewling about how he's just a freakish clone-thing to attack. But this pokemon could.

Master Chief/Any Spartan in MJOLNIR armor

Master Chief/Any Spartan in MJOLNIR armor

Nah, I don't think so. Like people said earlier, the MJOLNIR armor is pretty dang weak once you strip away the shield, which admittedly is pretty dang easy to do. Plus, a Spartan's strength is impressive, but you don't see them busting through walls very often. All in all, I'd say a Space Marine has the Spartan trumped on pretty much every aspect of war.

A greased up naked man, with a can opener( thinking the space marine is a portapotty)

So far, there seems to be a few actual examples within the context of this, mostly slowed though actually interesting, discussion.

A Predator (predator)
1 on 1, a good match. Warrior preds are armed with plasma-like weapons, so they're good to go. Largely inferior, not near as tough or strong, but gunz win.

An Alien (alien)
A good fight for sure, if the alien gets close. Not sure if this really couns as a super soldier though. Depends on the backround you subscribe to.

A Spartan (halo)
Probably the best match up, the spartan has roughly equivilent strength, though inferior toughness. Crappier armour and basic guns (the spartan laser would roughly compare to a small lascannon however, at least AP3) though he'd at least have an invuln (40k forcefields are all invulns). Comperable balistic skill though inferior weapon skill (he's kind of a one trick pony).

Hunters (halo)
The hunters from halo would also match up well against the marines. Strong armour, brutish strength and massive firepower make these (very alien) super soldiers a great match.

Things from starcraft/starship troopers
Many of these would put up a good fight, but are all clearly inferior.

A terminater
These could put up a great fight, and are roughly equivilent to a necron, but in CC the marine would rip 'em apart.

Anyway, the rest of the examples had nothing to do with anything, but clearly granted many people much amusement.
Also, why is that retired chuck fellow so popular!? He was mentioned about 2 dozen times, and each time like he was a great revalation. Very strange... =)

I don't know. Everyone loves Chuck Norris. It's hard to explain.

It sure is.

Chaos.Kitten.'nuff said.

Munch Munch! wrote:Any sith lord.

see space marines pwn them Alot more than most of you HAHAHAHAHA

The Fetts (Boba & Jango) might, although they'd be at a disadvantage.

SW stormtroopers might, if they're from the 501st (the ones that stormed Tantive IV, the Blockade Runner from Episode IV) since the 501st seems to be less affected by the lack of marksmanship found in their brethren.


Also, some Brotherhood of Steel member from Fallout, since they have power armor as well

Predator: They are almost 90% muscle, equal in height to a Space Marine, and can use stealth to their advantage. It'd be a close fight, but in a melee fight (Chainsword vs. Dual Wristblades) I'd put my money on the Predator.

T-1000 (Liquid Metal Terminator): Space Marine doesn't stand a chance, sorry.

Nemesis (RE): Big. F***ing. Zombie. With. A. Bazooka.

And last but not least, everyone's favorite COG..................THE COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE TRAIN!

Brotherhood of Steel are a good match for Space Marines at range. Their laser rifles wouldn't pierce Space Marine armour, and bolter shells would probably burst harmlessly on the reinforced metal surface of their own T-45d power armour. With good tactics and careful use of missile launchers, they could win.

In melee, no contest. While both have augmented strength, the Brothers are still human. An arm-wrestling match could be a tossup, but in melee Space Marines have far superior reflexes and melee weaponry.


As an all-round opponent, I think the right Eldar could out-ninja a Marine on a good day. The gifts of the Chaos Gods could empower a human warrior to defeat a Space Marine, and a skilled Sentinel pilot could do the job at range and up close provided the Marine isn't toting a power fist.

On a squad level I give it to Stormtroopers. Better armour-piercing weapons mean that as long as they get the drop on them and don't get charged, the Marines won't even know what hit them.

Arnold could take down a SM...he did take down a Predator remember? and i think there's not that big of a difference between a pred and a SM...

As for Chuck Norris, he can take down just about ANYONE...(Incl. Khorne, Nurgle, Khaine, The Nightbringer and so on), so he doesn't count

Oh, and a wife would do it too, if a Space Marine would ever get married...:-?

aka_tizz wrote:

Oh, and a wife would do it too, if a Space Marine would ever get married...:-?

Well, all that genetic modification does a number on the equipment, as it were. Marriage is not part of a Space Marine's life plans.

While people have largely dismissed Starcraft creatures from consideration, I have to say that I think an Ultralisk could munch a Space Marine. It wouldn't be easy, but it could do it. I mean, it IS a giant organic tank with enormous blades on its face, bred solely to kill.

Sounds like a carnifex!

May have already been said, probably has after 8 pages but I've decided I should be lazy to facilitate sleep.

From the Honorverse, Royal Manticoran, Solarian, Andermani or Havenite Marines, so long as they have battle armour. Normal humans, bad-ass tech.

I believe David Weber mentioned their armour is roughly the strength, firepower and durability of a modern MBT. plus it's bigger than Tactical Dreadnought Armour

EDIT: They also deploy plasma weaponry quite casually.

BeRzErKeR wrote:

aka_tizz wrote:

Oh, and a wife would do it too, if a Space Marine would ever get married...:-?

Well, all that genetic modification does a number on the equipment, as it were. Marriage is not part of a Space Marine's life plans.



Omg, what an image that gave me...the omni_strong/badass/killer/faithful/etc/etc/etc 9ft. tall SM trying to have sex with a 5ft. woman and not being able to